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| 13:01.09 | Ar|stote|is | anyone knows of a CF card that supports wpa2 encryption and works with the Z? |
| 13:15.53 | Tomoe | lol |
| 13:16.04 | Tomoe | wat up vxp |
| 13:16.50 | sturles | Ar|stote|is: I found one once, but couldn't make WPA work on the Z when I tried back then. Have no idea where it is now.. |
| 13:18.37 | Tomoe | well, getting the drivers to work on stock OS is #1 hurdle |
| 13:19.09 | Ar|stote|is | i used to have a planex one back then but support for that prism card was crap. |
| 13:19.27 | Ar|stote|is | I guess I'll buy a bunch cheap ones and see if I can manage something. |
| 13:19.42 | Tomoe | Ar|stote|is: which OS are you running? |
| 13:19.58 | Tomoe | on the z |
| 13:20.00 | Ar|stote|is | I just installed Arch Arm |
| 13:20.04 | Tomoe | ah great |
| 13:20.08 | Tomoe | in that case |
| 13:20.15 | Tomoe | look into the SDIO cards as well |
| 13:20.20 | Tomoe | let me link the one I got recently |
| 13:20.30 | Ar|stote|is | do they work ? |
| 13:20.52 | Ar|stote|is | if i get a powered hub and stick my tplink wifi usb will it play ? |
| 13:21.00 | Tomoe | D-Broad SD-Link11n |
| 13:21.01 | Ar|stote|is | hm lets check it |
| 13:21.01 | Tomoe | http://www.ebay.com/itm/191651939169 |
| 13:21.12 | Tomoe | Ar|stote|is: yes, that would work too |
| 13:21.25 | Tomoe | like I said the main issue is availability of drivers for the stock OS |
| 13:21.37 | Tomoe | and since you're on Arch instead.. |
| 13:22.28 | Ar|stote|is | btw has anyone changed the internal microdrive ? |
| 13:22.33 | Tomoe | many people |
| 13:22.42 | Ar|stote|is | i've seen some posts but I wanted to ask about something |
| 13:22.47 | Tomoe | simple swap, no issues usually |
| 13:22.49 | Ar|stote|is | will any CF card work ? |
| 13:22.57 | Tomoe | pretty much |
| 13:23.02 | Ar|stote|is | i mean i have a bunch laying around from my dslr |
| 13:23.10 | Tomoe | some microdrives have some issues but generally everything works |
| 13:23.19 | Tomoe | also re: USB |
| 13:23.29 | Ar|stote|is | some of them are pretty fast too even though i don't think the Z can run that fast |
| 13:23.31 | Tomoe | the z can be modified internally by swapping a resistor |
| 13:23.34 | VartiWork | I have a (sort of recent) Canon CF card, I have yet to try it, but it might support WPA |
| 13:23.43 | Tomoe | into outputting more power on the usb port |
| 13:24.03 | Tomoe | so you wouldn't need powered hubs etc |
| 13:24.16 | Tomoe | if that's the kind of thing you're into. |
| 13:25.29 | Ar|stote|is | rejected due to insufficient power |
| 13:25.36 | Ar|stote|is | lets see if i have a y cable around here |
| 13:30.24 | Tomoe | lol |
| 13:30.30 | Tomoe | here's a solution for all our problems: http://pocketnow.com/hardware-1/dual-usb-host-compact-flash-card-coming |
| 13:38.43 | VartiWork | ok, my CF card isn't sold anymore on neither Ebay nor Amazon, there's a couple of Linksys ones on Amazon but they both support WEP only |
| 13:42.03 | Ar|stote|is | was wondering if they say wep support does it mean that they don't support wpa? is it a hardware issue? probably wpa wasn't even a thing back then |
| 13:42.31 | Ar|stote|is | i see that using my pihut usb hub the wifi adapter gets recognized but i guess no modules to be loaded |
| 13:43.17 | Ar|stote|is | at least it should be working. |
| 13:43.50 | VartiWork | I have checked the manual of both Linksys models, they explicitely mention that the cards support WEP and not WPA |
| 13:44.55 | Ar|stote|is | only one I found within a limited time was http://www.amx.com/products/NXA-WC80211G-CF.asp |
| 13:45.02 | Ar|stote|is | but no clue where to buy one |
| 13:47.01 | VartiWork | and they mention in the same manuals that Linksys suggest using WPA for safety reasons... so they are basically suggesting to throw away the newly bought card hehe |
| 13:47.56 | VartiWork | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wireless-54Mbps-CF-Card-f-AMX-Modero-7200-8400-8400i-NXA-WC80211G-FG2255-07-/131567721213 |
| 13:48.03 | VartiWork | doesn't look pretty though |
| 13:50.13 | VartiWork | I imagine there will be plenty of WPA2 CF cards on the japanese yahoo auctions, sigh |
| 13:50.39 | Ar|stote|is | as i'm reading the listing i guess it's meant to be as an accessory for some kind of screen?? that why no stickers etc aroung |
| 13:51.47 | Ar|stote|is | let's see now what can we do with an arch Z without internet and no X desktop |
| 13:51.48 | VartiWork | yes, that's how I understood too (they mention "panel" and such) |
| 13:52.24 | VartiWork | I believe the cheapest way would be a powered hub + USB wifi |
| 13:52.41 | VartiWork | the hub will be handy for other stuff too |
| 13:56.06 | Ar|stote|is | i used the rootfs from daalnroti but as I understand it he only has compiled kernel modules for some cf cards that daan was having. It seems my atheros wifi dongle need it's own firmware to run. So I guess i'll nag till someone adds those kernel modules |
| 13:56.36 | Ar|stote|is | Maybe he has added the headers of that custom kernel and we can build those ourselves |
| 13:57.32 | Ar|stote|is | Could Cacko be booted off sd or cf ? |
| 14:17.07 | Tomoe | the cheapest way is modding the Z itself to output more power on the usb port |
| 14:17.16 | Tomoe | there's someone's tutorial on it on oesf |
| 14:17.35 | Tomoe | they also replaced the port itself with a full-size A port |
| 14:20.22 | Ar|stote|is | I'll look for that post and see. I don't want to lose another Z by mistake. My first one got stolen. |
| 14:21.03 | Tomoe | it involves replacing an smd resistor so yeah |
| 14:21.11 | Tomoe | it's risky if you're not good with the soldering iron |
| 14:21.17 | Tomoe | lol |
| 14:21.51 | Tomoe | but doing it is a) cheapest b) most eye- and ergonomics- satisfying because then you'd just have a small nub of a usb wifi card sticking out of the back of the Z |
| 14:21.59 | Tomoe | instead of a hugeass cf card bulging on side |
| 14:24.18 | VartiWork | Cacko can be run from SD or CF, I did that once and these days I'm reinstalling it on an SD again |
| 14:25.47 | VartiWork | I have a short tutorial at home for that with info taken from different threads on OESF, I was thinking of cleaning it up and posting it on OESF someday |
| 14:25.51 | Tomoe | I've seen some guy's post where he integrated a bluetooth and a wifi card internally |
| 14:26.08 | Tomoe | there's an unused usb port (well, pins/pads for one at least) inside |
| 14:26.46 | VartiWork | that's nice |
| 14:28.07 | Tomoe | let me see if I can dig it up |
| 14:28.26 | VartiWork | I wouldn't risk doing that though, I'm not that good with a soldering iron, and SMD stuff is difficult to(de)solder without proper equipmnet |
| 14:28.30 | VartiWork | equipment |
| 14:28.38 | VartiWork | i.e. a proper soldering station |
| 14:38.03 | Tomoe | wow |
| 14:38.07 | Tomoe | 6000 is REALLY abandoned |
| 14:38.08 | Tomoe | lol |
| 14:38.09 | Tomoe | http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showforum=88 |
| 14:38.15 | Tomoe | last post in 2009 |
| 14:38.32 | Tomoe | ah nevermind |
| 14:38.39 | Tomoe | it's just for the pinned threads |
| 14:38.50 | Tomoe | non-pinned latest is 2013 |
| 14:42.43 | Tomoe | here's the internal bt/wifi stuff |
| 14:42.43 | Tomoe | http://www.penguin.cz/~utx/zaurus/www.iral.com/~albertr/linux/zaurus/wireless/ |
| 14:44.33 | Tomoe | the bit about the usb port's power limiting: |
| 14:44.34 | Tomoe | The Zaurus has dedicated 5V OTG power domain to power up devices connected to the USB OTG connector. It uses TOKO's TK3850 5V voltage regulator with input voltage drawn from 5V domain. There's a cut-off over-current protection @ ~200mA implemented by a 5.7K resistor on TK3850's PCL pin. |
| 14:44.43 | Tomoe | This limit could be lifted to: |
| 14:44.43 | Tomoe | ~400-450mA with a 2K resistor |
| 14:44.49 | Tomoe | ~500mA with a 1.6K resistor |
| 14:44.50 | Tomoe | ~600-650mA with a 1K resistor |
| 14:46.52 | VartiWork | well, at least kexecboot still supports the 6000: https://github.com/LinuxPDA/builds_2015-12-22/tree/master/tosa |
| 14:47.37 | licksjp | Hello |
| 14:47.49 | Tomoe | licksjp: hello |
| 14:47.53 | VartiWork | hi licksjp |
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| 14:48.09 | licksjp | æé«ã§ã |
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| 14:48.19 | Tomoe | ããã§ã¨ã |
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| 14:51.16 | licksjp | ã¿ã³ãããªã㦠|
| 14:52.01 | Tomoe | lol |
| 14:52.13 | Tomoe | ãããã |
| 14:52.16 | Tomoe | ï¼P |
| 16:39.29 | VartiWork | later |
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| 18:00.20 | Tomoe | https://vimeo.com/47728692 |
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| 18:58.14 | aristotelis | Hasn't Nippon discovered Z's successor? |
| 19:18.57 | Tomoe | yes it has |
| 19:19.00 | Tomoe | it's called iphone |
| 19:19.01 | Tomoe | lol |
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| 19:30.02 | aristotelis | Haha Tomoe |
| 19:30.42 | aristotelis | i was looking for something with a clamshell design that could run pure linux not android-esque stuff |
| 19:32.53 | Tomoe | ok |
| 19:32.55 | Tomoe | Nintendo DS |
| 19:36.39 | aristotelis | I have one |
| 19:36.48 | aristotelis | can i run debian on it? |
| 19:37.46 | aristotelis | i think i'll 3d print a case for the raspberry pi amd its screen and add a wireless keyboard |
| 19:44.30 | Tomoe | nobody bothers with clamshell devices any more |
| 19:44.56 | Tomoe | and the 'protection of the screen' aspect is not as important these days compared to z |
| 19:45.07 | Tomoe | since the displays have couple layers of hard glass on them |
| 19:46.50 | aristotelis | i guess im tge only one. I like the keyboard feel |
| 19:47.24 | Tomoe | well there are keyboard devices |
| 19:47.32 | Tomoe | but they are predominantly slideout type |
| 19:53.33 | Varthall | aristotelis: check this out |
| 19:54.04 | Varthall | http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=34424&pid=282312&st=0&#entry282312 |
| 19:54.30 | Varthall | sorry, I meant http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=34424&pid=282312&st=0 |
| 19:56.40 | aristotelis | I've seen that but i also saw No price or launch date have been announced yet. |
| 19:57.04 | aristotelis | i think that in japan they have a far woder range of machines like that |
| 19:57.09 | aristotelis | wider |
| 19:57.24 | aristotelis | i was tempted to get a fujitsu mini laptop |
| 19:59.06 | aristotelis | or at least a tablet that has linux support |
| 19:59.20 | aristotelis | preferably at 7 or less inches |
| 19:59.31 | aristotelis | anyway |
| 20:00.11 | aristotelis | ill have to hook the z to the internet now |
| 20:02.03 | Varthall | that's the only Z-like device I have seen being announced (actually, Tomoe found it) |
| 20:02.34 | Tomoe | Tomoe > * |
| 20:02.44 | Varthall | it seems that there's no market anymore for small clamshells with a qwerty keyboard and a tilting screen |
| 20:02.51 | Tomoe | the only decent clamshell device I can think of now |
| 20:02.57 | Tomoe | and even that is not THAT recent |
| 20:03.00 | Tomoe | is sony's vaio p series |
| 20:03.23 | Tomoe | Varthall: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/05/sony-vaio-p-xp-japan.jpg |
| 20:03.41 | Varthall | yep |
| 20:04.10 | Varthall | looks like a Netwalker btw |
| 20:04.24 | Tomoe | it has almost full size keyboard and no wasted space outside of that |
| 20:04.29 | Tomoe | and the screen is almost the whole width |
| 20:04.35 | Varthall | The Sony Vaio P series are a range of ultraportable subnotebook computers[1][2] launched in January/February 2009 |
| 20:04.39 | Tomoe | and it's an atom. |
| 20:04.52 | Varthall | they are already 7 years old |
| 20:04.59 | Tomoe | I've been eyeing them on the jap auctions but hard to catch for less than 80$ |
| 20:05.12 | Varthall | discontinued in 2011 |
| 20:05.20 | Varthall | pity |
| 20:05.28 | aristotelis | How much do they sell for? Usually? |
| 20:05.29 | Tomoe | yeah as if you'd buy a new one |
| 20:05.33 | Tomoe | they were hella proiss. |
| 20:06.12 | Tomoe | 100$ on jap auctions |
| 20:06.13 | Tomoe | cca |
| 20:06.27 | aristotelis | i remember buying a new sl-c3200 back in the day for 600euros |
| 20:07.01 | aristotelis | what's your opinion about the netwalker? |
| 20:07.19 | Tomoe | lol@600 |
| 20:07.22 | Tomoe | damn son |
| 20:07.29 | Tomoe | no idea |
| 20:07.44 | Tomoe | Varthall said something about its graphics not being supported well in lewnix |
| 20:07.47 | Tomoe | iirc? |
| 20:16.00 | aristotelis | Btw how much did it cost in japan the terrier back in 2006? |
| 20:16.12 | Tomoe | no idea |
| 20:16.23 | Tomoe | I remember that I bought the c1k in 2005 |
| 20:16.30 | Tomoe | around may I wanna say |
| 20:16.41 | Tomoe | and it was |
| 20:16.46 | Tomoe | I wanna say |
| 20:16.50 | Tomoe | 37000 jpy |
| 20:18.24 | aristotelis | Currently, they sell the Zaurus for $899 in the US. |
| 20:18.33 | aristotelis | On an article from back then |
| 20:19.09 | Tomoe | well these devices were never officially sold outside of japan by sharp |
| 20:19.18 | Tomoe | so it was resellers looking to make money on it |
| 20:19.56 | aristotelis | Yeah i know. A reason why they were overpriced anywhere else |
| 20:20.40 | aristotelis | i was looking back then for a fujitsu lifebook or a panasoni toughbook. But they were likewise overpriced outside of japan |
| 20:21.22 | Tomoe | lol |
| 20:21.27 | Tomoe | fucking collectors: http://page6.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/f171281424 |
| 20:21.40 | Tomoe | 3000usd for a 15yr old device |
| 20:21.49 | Tomoe | just so you can go HURRR IM SPECIAL IMMA COLLECTOR |
| 20:22.44 | aristotelis | Haha |
| 20:23.53 | Tomoe | aristotelis: do you remember that sony's handheld device |
| 20:24.00 | Tomoe | that was a fullblown pc |
| 20:24.23 | aristotelis | that umpc ur talking about? |
| 20:25.17 | aristotelis | Vaio ux series? |
| 20:26.11 | Tomoe | ya, ux |
| 20:27.29 | Tomoe | there's a similarly sized fujitsu as well |
| 20:27.43 | Tomoe | u810 |
| 20:27.52 | Tomoe | and it's same form as zaurus |
| 20:27.58 | Tomoe | clamshell with rotatable screen |
| 20:30.39 | aristotelis | ive seen that |
| 20:30.44 | Tomoe | there's also this |
| 20:30.45 | Tomoe | http://jp.kohjinsha.com/models/pm/ |
| 20:30.53 | aristotelis | both u810 uh900 and u1010 i think |
| 20:31.00 | Tomoe | kohjinsha is pretty much an unknown name outside of japan |
| 20:31.09 | Tomoe | but it's them who started the netbook era |
| 20:31.15 | Tomoe | way before asus |
| 20:32.01 | aristotelis | how much is that kohjinsha going for nowadays? |
| 20:32.11 | aristotelis | When was the latest model released? |
| 20:32.43 | Tomoe | no idea |
| 20:32.50 | Tomoe | I remember drooling at it back in uh |
| 20:32.54 | Tomoe | 2006 or so I think |
| 20:33.03 | aristotelis | Recently |
| 20:33.05 | Tomoe | they even released a dual screen one |
| 20:33.14 | Tomoe | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAWHhEM0NBo |
| 20:34.16 | aristotelis | i guess getting a raspi equivalent hooking it on a screen and using a wireless keyboard is my best bet on having a decent zaurus alternative |
| 20:35.33 | Tomoe | ya |
| 20:35.44 | Tomoe | gut the zaurus and replace the inner motherboard with Pi |
| 20:35.46 | Tomoe | = win |
| 20:35.55 | Tomoe | there's always toshiba libretto w100 |
| 20:35.57 | Tomoe | dat dual screen |
| 20:35.59 | Tomoe | http://page24.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/q105480173 |
| 20:38.03 | aristotelis | i have two reasons to visit japan nowadays |
| 20:38.15 | aristotelis | three to be exact |
| 20:39.28 | Tomoe | lol |
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| 20:46.47 | Varthall | Tomoe: in one of the last posts about the Netwalker on OESF someone was complaining that under Linux there was no gfx acceleration, and there was no way to fix this |
| 20:47.00 | Varthall | so video replay was slow, compared to Windows |
| 20:47.14 | aristotelis | http://shop.conics.net/index.php/computers/panasonic-toughbook/10/rz-premium-silver.html |
| 20:47.36 | aristotelis | Roflmao |
| 20:47.50 | Varthall | I think I spent 450 euros (shipping fees included) for my SL-C1000 back in the days |
| 20:48.25 | Varthall | directly from a japanese online shop, GeekStuff4You |
| 20:49.07 | Varthall | it was like 100 euros cheaper than from an european importer like Trisoft |
| 20:49.34 | Varthall | hmm, a bit expensive |
| 20:49.47 | Varthall | that Panasonic laptop I mean |
| 20:49.59 | aristotelis | Yeah i know. |
| 20:51.22 | aristotelis | Atm i have to look for a usb to ethernet device. |
| 20:54.17 | Varthall | that GDP clamshell is tempting... IMHO better than a device + separate bt keyboard, you have only one piece of hardware and a single battery + charger |
| 20:54.25 | Varthall | ok, later |
| 20:55.10 | aristotelis | No clues when it will be released and if it will support linux out of the box |
| 20:55.39 | Tomoe | usb ethernet craps are cheap as fuk |
| 20:55.53 | Tomoe | I was ordering them from chinese sites for 3$ 5 years ago |
| 20:55.54 | Tomoe | lol |
| 20:59.21 | aristotelis | i will check tomorrow |
| 21:05.24 | Tomoe | aristotelis: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1-pcs-USB-Lan-RJ45-Card-10-100Mbps-Ethernet-Network-Adapter-Free-Drop-Shipping/1679633552.html |
| 21:07.48 | aristotelis | yes there are numerous i wanted to check whether i could find one somewhere closeby so i can have internet access durong the weekend |
| 21:18.23 | Tomoe | lol |
| 21:18.28 | Tomoe | enjoy paying 20eur instead of 2$ |
| 21:19.46 | aristotelis | W |
| 21:21.05 | aristotelis | bad thing is when we order from china most of the time we have to deal with a month, month and a half of transit |
| 21:21.43 | aristotelis | other than that we have capital controls in Greece and lately its a pita bying almost anything online |
| 21:41.11 | Tomoe | aliexpress has been good to me |
| 21:41.38 | Tomoe | as opposed to general chinese sites like dealextreme, they don't get your money immediately |
| 21:41.51 | aristotelis | Well ill give it a shot then |
| 21:42.07 | Tomoe | dx, tinydeal etc they take your money and then claim it's 'shipped' even tho they have only forwarded the order to provider of the item |
| 21:42.11 | Tomoe | lol |
| 21:42.24 | Tomoe | with aliexpress, it functions as an escrow and a seller on it doesn't see the money until you get the item |
| 21:42.33 | Tomoe | so they have motivation to not delay |
| 21:42.42 | Tomoe | in any case, it's 2$ |
| 21:42.43 | Tomoe | lol |
| 21:42.53 | Tomoe | most of aliexpress crap I order I get within 3 weeks |
| 21:44.11 | aristotelis | i will try to buy that along with some random cables and |
| 21:44.33 | aristotelis | since im on exams right now, not in a rush i guess |
| 23:16.04 | Tomoe | Varthall: uthar? |
| 23:35.40 | licksjp | Morning!! |
