IRC log for #zaurus on 20160212

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09:36.46VartiWorkmorning musume
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13:29.20VartiWorkjust realised there's a #cacko channel
13:29.53VartiWorkit is registered on chanserv
13:30.22VartiWorkI wonder who registered it
13:33.41VartiWorkand someone opened a #zug channel on irc.dtnn.net, heh
14:06.33VartiWork#cacko: [15:05] -ChanServ- Last used  : Apr 30 17:34:00 2008 (7y 41w 1d ago)
14:15.18Tomoeyeah there used to be #cacko
14:15.41Tomoeand that pdaxrom had its own channel too
14:15.54Tomoethe main guy was a decent bloke
14:20.06VartiWorknever met him online, I guess
14:20.21VartiWorkwas pdaxii done by him, too?
14:20.55VartiWorkI used pdaxii a lot back in the days
14:22.29VartiWorkah, I see pdaxii was done by Meanie
14:36.43VartiWorkheh: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGI2yOrUYAAid08.jpg
14:37.37Tomoemight be meanie, I don't remember the nick
14:37.44Tomoewas a russian
14:38.29Tomoemany languages have what we consider 'weird' counting rules
14:38.44Tomoebase 20, base 60
14:38.57Tomoeenglish still keeps some of that crap with the counting until 20
14:39.14Tomoeand a lot of other indoeuropean languages too
14:40.33VartiWorkI confirm, it was Meanie, it looks like he's australian: http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=22032
14:41.21Tomoenope
14:41.25VartiWorkgerman follows closely english in this regard
14:41.26TomoeI just remembered
14:41.41Tomoeyeah I remembered meanie was australian or something
14:41.53Tomoethe other guy was
14:41.55TomoeI think
14:41.56Tomoesashz
14:42.07VartiWorkI see
14:43.54Tomoehaha
14:43.55Tomoehttp://10times.com/microbiome-congress
14:43.59Tomoesearch for 'zaurus'
14:46.00VartiWorkso zaurus is actually a person
14:46.14VartiWorkor she loved her Z so much that she married it lol
14:47.18TomoeI bet you were considering the same
14:47.49VartiWorkno, since I'm a man I could not legally change my surname
14:48.00VartiWorkmeet my new oesf avatar: http://10times.com/pics/event/8/257989/spk-1439780598440.jpg
14:48.11VartiWorkyou can't say it's not appropriate
14:51.04Tomoelol
14:51.07TomoeTomoe in 2005:
14:51.08Tomoe16:59.40Tomoenewer models
14:51.09Tomoe16:59.44Tomoec1000
14:51.09Tomoe16:59.49Tomoec3000 and c3100
14:51.09Tomoe16:59.52Tomoeare pretty fat
14:51.11Tomoe16:59.54Tomoelet me measure
14:51.26Tomoe17:00.20Tomoeok about as fat as my flaccid penis
14:51.27Tomoe17:00.35Tomoe*ducks*
14:52.06VartiWorkfacepalms
14:52.28VartiWorkbtw, we should organize a meetup here: http://www.opensnap.com/en/tokyo/r-zaurus-shinjuku-gyoen-r293302
14:52.36Tomoehehe
14:52.44Tomoeok just remembered some details
14:52.59Tomoesashz | cacko? ja nachinal, no on menja dostal - mi sdelali novij proect pdaXrom :)
14:53.11Tomoesashzja otdal ego Maslovskomy (cacko mean) :)
14:53.24Tomoeso sashz made the cacko too in the beginning
14:53.30Tomoeand then handed it over to maslovsky
14:53.34VartiWorkaah
14:53.36Tomoewhile he went over to make pdaxrom
14:53.53Tomoeso this one guy made most of what z community is based on
14:53.58Tomoeand nobody remembers him =))
14:54.11VartiWorkwe should dedicate a shrine to him
14:54.41TomoeI don't think he gives any fucks
14:54.51VartiWorkhe's modest you say
14:55.27Tomoehis #1 source of fun up there was to come and go to #opie or #openzaurus or whatever that projects name was back then
14:55.30Tomoeand troll folks
14:55.32Tomoelol
14:55.41VartiWorkhuh
14:55.54VartiWorknot a nice guy
14:56.24VartiWorkthese are btw still around, not devoted to the Zaurus anymore though: http://www.innerzaurus.com/
14:57.25Tomoehe was nice
14:57.30Tomoedamn you don't like to have fun
14:57.33Tomoe=P
14:59.41Tomoe13:11.08sashz;) going to holy flame in #openzaurus or #oe, who want with me?
14:59.42Tomoe13:11.17sashzjoke
15:00.02Tomoeand he was from
15:00.03Tomoe13:07.14sashzTomsk town, Siberia :)
15:00.03Tomoe13:07.26sashzasian part of russia
15:00.13Tomoeevery bloody hacker comes from far eastern russia
15:00.23Tomoecuz there's nothing to do but sit inside
15:00.24Tomoelol
15:00.48Tomoeahhh nov '05
15:00.51Tomoethose were the days
15:00.54Tomoe13:10.10Tomoeeh I finally managed to get wpa_supplicant to work today
15:00.54Tomoe13:10.18Tomoethat means I can access wifi anywhere in the campus
15:00.54Tomoe13:10.41Tomoe= sitting on a hill, nothing xcept me and my z
15:00.54Tomoe13:10.47Tomoeand teh intarweb
15:00.55Tomoe13:10.48Tomoe<3
15:01.40Tomoethere used to be a small mound between the cafeteria and jap school building
15:01.55TomoeI would take my food up there and have fun on the z
15:06.30Tomoelol I was a proper emofag bak den
15:06.31Tomoe06:14.20*** Tomoe has signed off IRC ("I'm only watching a dream I'll never wake up from.") [#zaurus]
15:08.39TomoeVartiWork: I think I'm gonna get this http://page24.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/q75982101
15:09.13VartiWorksiberia... he had plenty of free time to spend at home I guess :)
15:09.40TomoeI remember innerzaurus domain
15:09.47VartiWorkhaha now I read your comment, you said the same
15:09.48Tomoedon't remember what it had originally
15:10.29VartiWorklol an emo?
15:10.59Tomoew/regards to that gay quitmsg
15:11.00Tomoelol
15:11.18VartiWorkhah
15:11.32VartiWorka userport/mobile phone cable?
15:11.40Tomoeyes
15:11.47TomoeI'm gonna get it for the userport plug alone
15:11.48Tomoe=P
15:11.56VartiWorkjust for the sake of using it lol
15:12.35Tomoewell you can mod it into regular UART cable then
15:12.42Tomoethe price is 200 yen + 120 yen shipping
15:12.44Tomoetotal 320
15:12.47VartiWorkwow
15:12.51Tomoethat's 2.5 eur
15:12.53Tomoe=P
15:13.11Tomoeoh there was a c1000 on last night
15:13.18VartiWorkconnect an UART/USB converter and an USB wifi/BT card and you are set
15:13.28VartiWorkgroan
15:13.28Tomoewat
15:13.37Tomoethe c1k went for
15:13.38Tomoewait
15:13.44VartiWorkdon't say it
15:14.01VartiWorkDON'T
15:14.23VartiWorkDO NOT WANT
15:15.14Tomoeah not really a good price
15:15.29Tomoe2401 jpy + 740 shipping
15:15.56Tomoe3141
15:15.56Tomoe24.7 eur
15:16.08VartiWorkwhat a bad price indeed
15:16.25Tomoeit was not confirmed working
15:18.35VartiWorkaah
15:18.41VartiWorkthat's different then
15:19.00Tomoethe guy wrote 'dont have the power adapter so cant test'
15:19.06Tomoethe thing is, japs are usually honest about that
15:19.23VartiWorkI guess the day I'll visit Tokyo I'll go hunting some second hand shop in Akihabara, if they still exist
15:19.25Tomoein the west, 'didn't test' usually means 'i tested and it doesn't work, so im gonna lie about that to sell it better'
15:19.36VartiWorkyep
15:19.57TomoeI've gotten a lot of 'untested' stuff in japan and it all worked
15:20.05VartiWorkah nice
15:20.05Tomoethe only thing that didn't work was the Sega Dreamcast
15:20.23Tomoeit worked but the cd/gd drive didn't read the discs
15:20.30VartiWorkyes I remember
15:20.39Tomoebut since it was like 300yen
15:20.42TomoeI ain't complaining
15:20.44Tomoethat's like
15:20.45Tomoe2eur
15:20.46Tomoelol.
15:20.47VartiWorknope :)
15:20.56Tomoethe controller alone would cost me 10 eur
15:21.02Tomoehere's a c700
15:21.03Tomoehttp://page4.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d185609231
15:21.05Tomoe100yen
15:21.06Tomoe=P
15:21.23VartiWork"buy now" price?
15:21.23Tomoeask licksjp_ to ship it to you =))
15:21.30VartiWorkI was thinking the same
15:21.35Tomoeno it's an auction
15:21.37Tomoebut nobody's gonna bid
15:21.56TomoeI linked you that pdaxrom book
15:21.57Tomoehttp://page8.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/h217129933
15:21.59Tomoefucking lol
15:21.59VartiWorkyep
15:22.04Tomoecan't believe somebody made this
15:22.06Tomoelol
15:22.08licksjp_Hello
15:22.15licksjp_what happen?
15:22.16VartiWorkhi licks
15:22.23Tomoeit's a proper book from a bookstore
15:22.28Tomoewith isbn/barcode n all
15:22.31VartiWorknice
15:22.42Tomoelicksjp_: なんでもない
15:23.00Tomoeヤフーオークションの話
15:23.08licksjp_そっか
15:23.35TomoeVarthallにおすすめした
15:24.30Tomoeもし本当に取りたいZaurusのものがあれば、リックスにたのんだらどうって
15:24.34Tomoe＝P
15:24.43TomoeVartiWork: here's a c3200
15:24.44Tomoehttp://page14.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/s480550598
15:24.52Tomoe2100jpy with 2 days left
15:25.13Tomoeworking c3200, power adapter, case, manual/dvd
15:25.24Tomoeand it comes with a book about linux/zaurus
15:27.36Tomoehehe
15:27.40Tomoesashz located
15:27.45Tomoealexander.chukov@gmail.com
15:27.58Tomoehttps://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=sashz&hl=en
15:28.11VartiWorkanother book?
15:28.32Tomoe?
15:28.41VartiWork[16:25] <@Tomoe> and it comes with a book about linux/zaurus
15:28.52Tomoewell open the link
15:28.53Tomoe=P
15:29.00Tomoeyes, a diff book
15:29.03Tomoe'hacking
15:29.04Tomoezaurus
15:29.06Tomoelinux'
15:29.15Tomoesays on the front
15:29.22Tomoeand there's an angry dino in red
15:29.23Tomoelol.
15:29.38VartiWorkseems like one of those free books covermounted in magazines
15:30.00VartiWorkthat dino seems the mozilla one
15:30.59VartiWorkand sashz now working on android
15:31.02VartiWorkthe traitor
15:31.36VartiWorkwell, android 1.something actually runs on the Z
15:33.00VartiWorkjust opened a yogurt, happened this (pic is not related) http://i.imgur.com/bGGvzlQ.jpg
15:33.07VartiWorkI feel great now
15:33.24VartiWorkand powerful
15:34.02Tomoeis great success.
15:34.11Tomoeah found the pdaxrom book on amazon.com
15:34.13Tomoehttp://www.amazon.com/PdaXrom-tsukuru-saikyo-kankyo-Kiwameru/dp/4774124850
15:35.50Tomoeaaaan of course here's a thread on it on oesf
15:35.51Tomoehttp://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=19065
15:36.33Tomoehaha
15:36.35Tomoebest comment:
15:36.37TomoeWow, that is amazing. We take a Japaneses PDA, convert it to English and then Sash writes an almost entirely new OS for it in English and then the Japanese want to port that OS back to Japanese. Crazy!
15:36.38VartiWorkthanks, whishlist'd
15:37.19VartiWork<PROTECTED>
15:37.27VartiWorkso, it is actually useful to me
15:37.35VartiWorklol
15:38.03Tomoenah I don't think it's worth getting it as a source of knowledge
15:38.09Tomoeespecially considering it's in japanese =P
15:38.27VartiWorkof course it is not
15:38.45VartiWorkmy comment was about the "unless you are keen on learning Japanese language" part :)
15:38.58Tomoelol
15:39.06Tomoethere are better ways to lern jap =P
15:39.17Tomoebtw I also recently restarted my jap practice
15:39.23Tomoecuz my reading/writing got rusty
15:39.26VartiWorkgood
15:39.29Tomoethere's pretty awesome stuff now
15:39.34TomoeI wish there was stuff like that 10 years ago
15:39.40TomoeI would have been unstoppable.
15:39.46Tomoethere's an app for android
15:39.51TomoeOCR Manga Reader
15:39.52VartiWorkI'm still stuck at the lesson 2 of the 2nd course of Pimsleur
15:39.57Tomoeyou load jpgs of manga
15:40.04VartiWorkO_o
15:40.04Tomoeand if there's kanji you don't know
15:40.07Tomoeyou select it
15:40.14Tomoeand the app auto ocr's it
15:40.20Tomoeand then does a dictionary search
15:40.29VartiWorkI remember seeing something like that in the past
15:40.38Tomoethere's a similar app for pc
15:40.40Tomoewritten in java
15:40.48VartiWorkexcept it workd with anything you pointed the camera at
15:40.52Tomoeit's not a comic reader app, just a general jap ocr
15:40.54Tomoeyeah
15:41.01VartiWorkiphone only AFAIR
15:41.03Tomoethat kind of ocr apps was around for a while, yes
15:41.08Tomoethis is diff tho
15:41.11VartiWorknot anymore?
15:41.21Tomoeno, there's still stuff like that around
15:41.32Tomoejust nobody integrated it into something practical in this way
15:41.44TomoeI always wanted to practice my writing/reading through reading books/manga
15:41.50Tomoebut the flow was tedious
15:41.57VartiWorkheh I imagine
15:41.59Tomoewhen I was learning english as a very young kid
15:42.11TomoeI would use a paper dictionary and the lookup was easy
15:42.14Tomoewhile reading books
15:42.29Tomoewith kanji, you don't know the reading =))
15:42.35Tomoeso you can't lookup
15:42.41VartiWorkyep
15:42.48Tomoeso you have to resort to using a input recognition method
15:42.52Tomoe= nigga u fukd
15:42.58Tomoetakes a lot of time to lookup every word
15:43.05Tomoeand ruins book reading experience
15:43.30TomoeI don't remember if I had these talks with you
15:43.34Tomoebut I don't think so
15:43.44Tomoeit was on the #nihongo channel
15:44.12TomoeI was looking into projects that would enable easier word lookup on an eink reader
15:44.27VartiWorkhmm maybe you mentioned it
15:44.41Tomoe#1 was getting some program that autogenerates furigana (reading) for all kanjis in the book
15:44.57Tomoe#2 was squeezing in jap dictionaries in my sony reader
15:45.56VartiWorkI have some light novels in nihongo I'd like to translate someday
15:46.20Tomoeare they on paper
15:46.23Tomoeor digital
15:46.23VartiWorkyep
15:46.24Tomoe?
15:46.25Tomoeah
15:46.27VartiWorkpaper
15:46.32Tomoeget a digital copy
15:46.45Tomoeand modify it?
15:46.48Tomoehehe
15:46.49Tomoehttp://furigana.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi
15:46.54VartiWorkheh maybe
15:47.16VartiWorkI just bought them because they were cheap and I liked anyway having some japanese books in my library
15:48.08VartiWorkit's called Hantsuki btw
15:48.53VartiWorkI bought them also because I like the illustrator's style a lot, Keiji Yamamoto
15:51.56Tomoehttp://www.furiganizer.com/
15:53.44VartiWorkoh shoot http://otaku.com/files/images/fullsize/74676K.JPG
15:53.56VartiWorkanother art book by him, I want it
15:54.49VartiWorkfuriganizer, interesting
15:55.16Tomoeyou know about aozora bunko?
15:55.23Tomoeit's jap equivalent of gutenberg project
15:56.02VartiWorkno, didn't know
15:56.21VartiWorkcollecting public domain books then?
15:56.35Tomoehttp://www.aozora.gr.jp/
15:56.36Tomoeyes
15:56.40Tomoejapanese authors
15:56.46Tomoejap language, of course
15:57.05Tomoethey created their own book format cuz the available ones at the time didn't support necessary things
15:57.08Tomoesuch as furigana
15:57.19Tomoeso their books have furigana
15:57.20Tomoe=P
15:57.26Tomoethere's also this
15:57.31Tomoehttp://a2k.aill.org/
15:57.35Tomoeaozora2kindle
15:57.48Tomoeit converts those aozora format books into .pdf
15:57.52VartiWorkvery interesting
15:57.58Tomoeand keeps the vertical formatting and furigana etc
15:57.58Tomoe<3
15:58.22VartiWorknice :)
16:01.17VartiWorkjaa mata
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