IRC log for #zaurus on 20080724

01:49.21nox-gn8
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02:54.18darksteelneoanyone alive tonight?
03:37.52BitWraithI m now
03:38.06darksteelneocool
03:40.01BitWraithsignaling pwns all. :-)
03:40.20darksteelneoindeed
03:40.37darksteelneothat is when one pays attention :P
03:46.21BitWraithkillall -19 emerge; .............. fg
03:48.40darksteelneowhat sort of z do you have?
03:55.18BitWraithC3200 running pdxrom
03:55.46BitWraithstill kicking around the idea of Gentoo if I can find an appropriate kernel for it
03:55.52darksteelneoc3000 pdaxrom with 16gb flashdrive upgrade :)
03:56.07BitWraiththat sounds awesome
03:56.24BitWraithis there a way  you know of to upgrade the ram or the graphics?
03:56.50darksteelneonot that im aware of
03:56.55darksteelneowould be nice though
03:56.58BitWraithwhat kind of mods can you do to the 3100 and 3200
03:57.09BitWraiththe disk is the only one I know of
03:57.11darksteelneosame things as to the 3000
03:57.25darksteelneoi think someone integrated a bt module once
03:58.03BitWraithinstead of the disk drive I assume
03:58.54BitWraithI would be almost insane enough to put one of those bluefin computers in the internal CF slot for extra horsepower... hehe
03:59.05darksteelneoi think it was connected via usb
03:59.11BitWraith_almost_... that goes even beyond the insanity of Gentoo on a zaurus
03:59.34BitWraithhehe
04:01.56darksteelneonot familiar with bluefin
04:02.53BitWraithit' a CF-based embedded machine IIRC
04:03.11BitWraithhttp://www.ucdot.org/article.pl?mode=thread&sid=05/02/13/2251226 <-- something along these lines
04:05.18BitWraithwell, that's a CPU and a mobo on CF but that machine needs a bus and more cards to work... I'm talking about a self-contained one identifying itself as networking (to allow streaming data to programs...)
04:07.14darksteelneointeresting
04:07.26darksteelneodont think you could fit it into a z, though
04:07.38BitWraithsure you could, if it's in a normal CF card
04:07.59BitWraithbut a computer that small will have limited horsepower in and of itself...
04:08.23BitWraiththe usefulness is questionable unless you find a really phenominal one
04:08.33darksteelneoindeed
04:08.49BitWraithand ways to use it effectively with existing apps like GL programs
04:11.48BitWraithif you could find an embedded machine of at least 800mhz and "embed" it in your Z, then set up the Z to run nfs, you could theoretically use the Z as a thin client and storage to access the little computer... I didn't think of it that way before
04:12.18BitWraithbut maybe the Z itself should be the lesser of the two machines. THAT is an arrangement that would be a lot easier to implement
04:12.46BitWraithand I dare say practical
04:13.25darksteelneodunno
04:13.37darksteelneoi still think it would be impossible
04:14.07BitWraithhttp://www.cdatas.com/products.html THIS is the computer I was talking about
04:14.12BitWraithI found it
04:14.21BitWraith"blackfin"
04:14.34darksteelneoalrighty
04:14.52BitWraithyou would need the FPGA set for networking though. :-/
04:15.17BitWraithand RAM would be less than the Z's I assume
04:15.37darksteelneocertinly interesting
04:33.36BitWraithenough of my ranting, how are you?
04:34.39darksteelneomeh, getting tired
04:34.48BitWraith:-/
04:34.48darksteelneoyou?
04:35.47BitWraithpretty tired too, but I thought I would surf a while longer
04:36.10darksteelneoindeed
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18:32.45nox-moin
18:44.10HRH_H_Crablo nox-
18:44.18nox-moin HRH_H_Crab
18:44.43HRH_H_Crabyou are responsible for about 25% of the content of this channel, with BitWraith responsible for the other 75% :P
18:48.15nox-heh
19:23.07BitWraithsorry, I don't mean to split everything up and keep adding on... I rant, but then again what is IRC for? LOL
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20:14.30asteroidhello
20:16.04asteroidI've got a sl-5500, and an cf-gprs (audiovox rtm-8000p). This card does not work on the original sharp, for an obscur voltage issue against serial_cs.o module, so I would like to use another rom
20:16.24asteroidwhich one is the most active ?
20:18.02Varthallno idea really
20:18.15VarthallI'd like to know that too
20:18.25VarthallI use pdaxii btw
20:18.43asteroidpdaxii is for recent Z models or for all ?
20:19.04VarthallI fear it's for 640x480 models only
20:20.24asteroidI do not know about my resolution
20:21.34asteroidVarthall, have you test other ?
20:21.58Varthallno, I like it, althought someday I might try some other
20:22.40Varthallbut first I'd have to find out which is the most mature and has the fastest development
20:31.22HRH_H_Crabi use angstrom
20:31.31HRH_H_Crabboth on my z, and on a nslu2
20:31.57HRH_H_Crabdevelopment on zaurus isn't that great tbh.
20:32.03HRH_H_Crabthey did some fantastic work,
20:32.21HRH_H_Crabbut for most of the angstrom devs, it seems that the z is a bit old now, and not that interesting.
20:33.02HRH_H_Crabill prob. move my z to debian soon, but im not sure if thats a good option for your 5500.
20:33.25asteroidHRH_H_Crab, I'm on angstrom wiki, but devell even if devel is active, it is not really working it seems
20:33.28asteroidhttp://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/ZaurusCollie
20:33.38HRH_H_Crabyeah
20:33.40Varthallwell, it cannot be denied that it's getting old since it's out of production for quite some time
20:33.47HRH_H_Crabi had a feeling the 5500 was a bit iffy.
20:34.04VarthallI'm interested in Debian too
20:34.17HRH_H_CrabVarthall: technically i think its still sort of in production (well the clamshells anyway) but yeah, they are all more interested in the free runner,
20:34.26VarthallI wonder if an installer for Z exists, or if you have to install it manually
20:34.39HRH_H_Craband if they had made a proper keyboard, id prob. agree! :P
20:34.43HRH_H_CrabVarthall: for angstrom?
20:34.49HRH_H_Crabits very simple to install.
20:34.53Varthallno, for Debian
20:35.02HRH_H_Crabthat seems pretty easy too.
20:35.17HRH_H_Crabthe really scary one (in my opinion) is the one that everyone in this channel uses! :D
20:35.25Varthallhaven't Sharp declared at the beginning of last year that the Zaurus was going to go out of production?
20:35.32HRH_H_Crabi have read some real horror stories about that uboot business!
20:35.58Varthall(althought I have seen it recently being put back on sale on GeekStuff4U)
20:35.59HRH_H_CrabVarthall: yes, they did, but apparently trisoft got a batch with a 2008 manufacture date...
20:36.15Varthallthat's great to hear
20:36.24HRH_H_Crabive got another one on order from conics atm,
20:36.38HRH_H_Crabalthough i have a horrible feeling i need to pay uk customs for it /o\
20:36.44Varthallmeans that there's still enough demand for it
20:37.13VarthallI had to pay them when it arrived here in Italy
20:38.00Varthalla backup Zaurus, that would be a great idea
20:38.27Varthallis UBoot hard to install?
20:39.00asteroidwhich distrib other than pdaxrom and amgstron ?
20:39.32Varthalldebian, openbsd
20:39.50Varthallanother one whose name escapes me atm
20:48.39HRH_H_Crabcacko
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20:48.46HRH_H_Crabyou can still get open zaurus
20:48.56HRH_H_CrabVarthall: i bought a backup by accident!
20:49.07Varthallol really?
20:49.09Varthalllol
20:49.11HRH_H_Crabi thought id killed the original, but i actually had just killed the ac adaptor! :o
20:49.14HRH_H_Crab<--- idiot
20:49.17Varthallheh
20:49.26HRH_H_Craband right in the middle of a recession
20:49.30HRH_H_Crabwhen i have no money!
20:49.35Varthallaw
20:49.35asteroidis a debian or a openbsd are not too hungry for this kind of hardware ?
20:49.40HRH_H_Craband now im gonna have to pay the thieving customs! /o\
20:50.06HRH_H_Crabasteroid: imho the only way that the z is limited is memory.
20:50.15Varthallheh, not much can be done for that
20:50.23HRH_H_Crabive run linux on way worse machines than the z.
20:50.25Varthall(the customs)
20:50.41VarthallHRH_H_Crab: on a C64? ^^
20:50.48HRH_H_Crabnope
20:50.56HRH_H_Crabive run net bsd on a mac lcIII
20:51.09HRH_H_Crabthats a pretty crappy machine im telling you.
20:51.26HRH_H_Crabmy main server was a pII 350 until only a few months ago.
20:51.29VarthallI have one too
20:51.47HRH_H_Crabdid mail, web, mysql, dhcp, firewall,
20:51.51HRH_H_Crabgod knows what else.
20:51.52HRH_H_Crabno gui though.
20:52.04HRH_H_Crabi may run debian with no gui on the z to make it a bit leaner and meaner.
20:52.04VarthallI love old 68k Macs, I have first seen internet on one of them
20:52.16HRH_H_CrabVarthall: hehe
20:52.22HRH_H_Crabnetbsd is quite cute on it.
20:52.27HRH_H_Crabbut a big pain to install.
20:52.52VarthallI mean... Fetch! NCSA telnet!
20:53.09Varthallwhat else do you need to surf the web?
20:53.29HRH_H_CrabVarthall: i had a real problem with system 7 on that thing.
20:53.32HRH_H_Crabi only found one ssh client,
20:53.38HRH_H_Craband it was so crap.
20:53.39HRH_H_Crab:|
20:53.42Varthallhmm
20:53.58Varthallssh is too recent
20:54.01HRH_H_Crabbut it hardly gets switched on now.
20:54.04Varthallstick to telnet ^^
20:54.05HRH_H_Crabit sits by my bed.
20:54.09HRH_H_Crabno wonder im single! :D
20:54.16Varthalllol
20:54.24HRH_H_Crabbefore when i had no z, and no laptops,
20:54.32HRH_H_Crabi used to use it for checking mail in bed and stuff.
20:54.48VarthallI'm not single, but still this haven't stopped me collecting around 20 old computers
20:55.03VarthallI was collecting them when I was single, though...
20:55.27Varthallnice, a Mac near the bed
20:57.45HRH_H_Crabi have four bloody macs!
20:58.15HRH_H_Craball but one were second hand though,
20:58.28HRH_H_Craband i used to run linux on the other 2.
20:58.36Varthallreboot, brb
20:58.37HRH_H_Crabi had a tibook with gentoo,
20:59.03asteroidopenbsd does not support my sl-5500 :(
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21:05.05HRH_H_Crabasteroid: try openzaurus
21:05.13HRH_H_Crabits no longer supported,
21:05.19HRH_H_Crabbut it should sure kick the ass of the sharp rom!
21:06.55asteroidHRH_H_Crab, is it provided the hand-writing system ?
21:07.11HRH_H_Crabhmmm....
21:07.25HRH_H_Crabif it is its prob. the one area where the sharp rom would beat it! ;)
21:07.41asteroid:)
21:07.54asteroidis a rom provide this ?
21:08.39asteroidmyzaurus.com is just in 403
21:09.01HRH_H_Crabasteroid: i dunno.
21:09.13HRH_H_Crabim very much a clamshell kind of guy when it comes to z's.
21:09.27HRH_H_Crabmy hunch is your best bet is cacko, but im talking about os ive never tried,
21:09.34HRH_H_Crabon a z ive never used.
21:09.35HRH_H_Crab:P
21:09.40asteroid:)
21:09.56asteroidcacko isn't maintened
21:10.08HRH_H_Crabi think there may be one other rom that uses the sharp rom for a base, but i cant remember.
21:10.23HRH_H_Crabasteroid: you will be very lucky to find good support for 5500 i expect.
21:10.31asteroidand if I installed it and if I haven t got minimal software, i'm good to install a cross-compil environement, ... and i do not want
21:10.48asteroidI m going to try oz
21:10.54asteroidor pdaxrom /o\
21:11.24asteroidzaurus.com is blank page too ...
21:13.10HRH_H_Crabid seriously try cacko.
21:13.11asteroidor debian ?
21:13.17HRH_H_Crabit may not be supported,
21:13.30asteroidhttp://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Debian/Zaurus#Pocket_Workstation
21:13.52HRH_H_Crabbut its an improvement on what you are used to, and its also more optimal for that device (i think) whereas oz i think is better on the clamshells.
21:14.47HRH_H_Crabasteroid: sounds interesting.
21:14.51asteroidwhat is clamshells ?
21:14.57HRH_H_Crabc series.
21:15.11HRH_H_Crabc1000 ---> c3200 and inbetween
21:15.41asteroidok
21:17.09HRH_H_Crabheh
21:17.18HRH_H_Crabthat pocket workstation sounds crazy as hell!
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21:22.47asteroidHRH_H_Crab, how it works ? it is a stand alone debian or a distro into the sharp one ?
21:22.57nox-http://wiki.debian.org/PocketWorkstation
21:23.33asteroidso, it is lost of ressource
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22:25.28asteroidsomeone have an idea, with opie (oz) of how to switch to X when we're on tty ?
22:35.51nox-chvt?
22:38.21asteroidmmm I must be logged. ok, I try
22:38.42asteroidyes nox- thx
22:44.24BitWraithI'm curious, does anybody know if CF motion capture cards exist? (and if the Z needs excessive tweaking to understand them?)
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