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| 19:23.35 | A__A | Is anyone alive? |
| 19:24.31 | nox- | o/ |
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| 19:26.21 | A__A | Ah! Wonder of wonders. The last time I used IRC, there was no "always-online" broadband. I can't get used to hundreds of people being in a channel and maybe no one actually at a screen. I am about to flash my Zaurus and need some general advice. |
| 19:27.25 | nox- | hmm that i havent yet tried nor looked up how to do... |
| 19:27.51 | A__A | Do you have a Zaurus? |
| 19:27.59 | nox- | yeah |
| 19:28.11 | nox- | but still using the system it came with |
| 19:29.25 | A__A | I got mine through Ebay, second hand. I have figlabs (UK) english modification of the Sharp system. |
| 19:29.37 | A__A | SL-C3200 |
| 19:30.54 | A__A | And you, nox-? |
| 19:31.01 | nox- | also c3200 |
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| 19:35.12 | skaalil | mine is an old sl-5500 collie |
| 19:38.31 | Sketch | A__A: noone is going to give you advice if you don't ask your question ;) |
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| 20:21.00 | A_A | who am i? |
| 20:23.54 | A_A | If I flash my Zaurus, and things go wrong, how do I restore it? That's to say, is it possible to "brick" my Zaurus by flashing? |
| 20:25.16 | A_A | nox-: |
| 20:29.29 | nox- | i guess so... |
| 20:30.08 | A_A | To make go dead, useless, caput? I mean. |
| 20:30.47 | nox- | the later zaurii have some boot menus that you may be able to use to recover from some kinds of messed up flashing, but afaik theyre japanese... or at least in parts |
| 20:32.16 | A_A | Does it restore to the Japanese system then? |
| 20:32.40 | nox- | to whatever you give it |
| 20:33.09 | nox- | i _think_ it can flash from an sdcard |
| 20:33.26 | Sketch | if you brick it by flashing, you can usually just flash an original image back onto it |
| 20:33.50 | Sketch | on a 3200, you can definately flash from an sd card |
| 20:33.52 | nox- | Sketch, do you need to know japanese for that? |
| 20:34.01 | A_A | Can it flash from the CF (Compact Flash) card? |
| 20:34.04 | Sketch | nox-: not really, the directions are exactly the same |
| 20:34.11 | Sketch | so if you can flash a new image, you can flash an old image too |
| 20:34.13 | Sketch | A_A: yeah |
| 20:34.32 | Sketch | it asks if you want to flash from CF or SD |
| 20:34.56 | Sketch | on a menu that is mostly in japanese, but you can read 'CF' and 'SD' since they are written like that ;) |
| 20:36.25 | A_A | FANTASTIC. So basically, In my understanding I take my SL-C3200 (which I'm not really using) and flash away, and if it does go wrong I do some sort of reset procedure and attempt another flash? |
| 20:36.48 | Sketch | yeah, you can just flash it again |
| 20:37.18 | Sketch | if something goes really wrong, you might have to do a NAND restore, which is a similar procedure |
| 20:38.18 | Sketch | i have flashed probably 10-15 times and had to do that only once (after i tried to install an Android image) |
| 20:38.35 | Sketch | what rom are you going to install? |
| 20:39.09 | Sketch | most of the info you need is on the oesf.org wiki, and if it's not there, search the forums |
| 20:41.56 | A_A | Well, Titchy Linux seems the most straightforward. I just want a working unix windowing system, I'm not a linux expert. |
| 20:42.57 | A_A | I'm really just looking for reassurance before flashing for the first time. |
| 20:43.37 | Sketch | yeah, it's really pretty straightforward, it's just that the menus are mostly in japanese |
| 20:44.15 | A_A | Is this Japanese system stored on NAND rom then? |
| 20:45.10 | Sketch | either that or a physical RMO you can't overwrite |
| 20:45.11 | Sketch | RMO |
| 20:45.14 | Sketch | ROM |
| 20:45.14 | Sketch | heh |
| 20:46.01 | A_A | So, I shouldn't worry too much about completely killing my Zaurus? |
| 20:46.19 | A_A | That's my real fear. |
| 20:46.38 | Sketch | it's pretty unlikely |
| 20:47.03 | Sketch | i assume you have some way other than the zaurus of getting files onto a CF/SD card |
| 20:48.48 | A_A | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.12 | A_A | But if it's wise we'll pick up a card reader. |
| 20:49.32 | Sketch | yeah, you will need one if you do need to restore from a failed install |
| 20:50.34 | Sketch | personally i find an SD reader pretty handy, since i have lots of devices which use SD (zaurus, camera, phone, etc) |
| 20:51.11 | A_A | Sketch: I'm unclear what is the basic nmodifiable "base system" of the Zaurus. It sounds like its a Japanese command line/menu system. Yes? |
| 20:52.07 | A_A | I've been meaning to get one of those card readers for a few years now!!! Seems like I'm about to actually do it... |
| 20:52.49 | Sketch | i think the only nonmodifiable part is just the menu system that allows you to flash the system (and some semi-hidden diagnostic menus) |
| 20:53.01 | A_A | unmodifiable |
| 20:53.50 | A_A | What distro have you on your Zaurus? (and did you say you had a SL-C3200?) |
| 20:54.43 | Sketch | i have a 3100, pretty much the same thing |
| 20:55.31 | Sketch | i've currently got angstrom on it, but i've been thinking about trying debian (probably titchy), as angstrom's binary software repo is pretty small |
| 20:55.51 | A_A | What's "repo". |
| 20:57.00 | Sketch | repository |
| 20:57.07 | A_A | nox-: did you say you had the qkonqueror "Terminal" installed on your Sharp system? |
| 20:58.04 | A_A | So Angstrom is mostly for developers and people who compile there stuff from source? |
| 20:58.21 | Sketch | it's still under pretty heavy development right now i think |
| 20:58.40 | Sketch | it is usable, but there's not a whole lot of software. depends on what you are looking for really |
| 21:01.34 | A_A | Me, a replacement for my old Psion Revo. I think Titchy and "Neil an Theresa" are more my kind of thing. Angstrom is too hardcore for me! |
| 21:03.41 | A_A | I realize that my choices are FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and some sort of Debian/Ubuntu. End-user simplicity is what I'm after. If you have any suggestions... |
| 21:04.36 | Sketch | not really sure what is easiest for end-users |
| 21:05.00 | nox- | FreeBSD runs on zaurii? |
| 21:05.02 | Sketch | angstrom is actually pretty simple and straightforward, if you can live with the provided packages |
| 21:05.04 | nox- | obsd i know... |
| 21:05.09 | Sketch | i hadn't heard of freebsd either :) |
| 21:06.30 | A_A | I only ever use the SL-C3200 in "laptop" configuration (landscape), and dimmest screen setting, and usually no sound. Titchy seemed right. FreeBSD and Zaurus, wait a minute, I'll find it. |
| 21:13.29 | A_A | Ach. I'm wrong, it's not FreeBSD, it's OpenBSD. http://www.openbsd.org/zaurus.html |
| 21:13.42 | Sketch | yeah, there is openbsd |
| 21:13.55 | Sketch | it is not known for being the most user friendly unix, you are probably better off with debian |
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| 21:15.18 | A_A | Sketch: I know you're right. Also Debian is going to be very well supported as the Chinese start to build on it. |
| 21:20.26 | A_A | Sketch: You have been really informative and helpful. Thanks very much for giving me the final umph to feel I should just start flashing. I will get a multi card-reader this week before I start though. It has been quite a nuisance not having one what with cameras, and PDAs. |
| 21:21.03 | Sketch | no problem |
| 21:21.42 | A_A | OK. Energize, Mr Spock. |
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