IRC log for #zaurus on 20080116

`00:00.57`	`Varthall`	`hello`
`00:02.40`	`Hunterkurapika`	`I could'nt wait to the reopening of this website...`
`00:03.54`	`Hunterkurapika`	`Cause in Europa, they're not lots of zaurus users`
`00:04.25`	`Hunterkurapika`	`Where are they hiding ? :p`
`00:05.11`	`*** join/#zaurus tyGuest (n=tyGuest@cable-85.28.75.105.coditel.net)`
`00:28.04`	`*** join/#zaurus zecrazyt1x (n=zecrazyt@zecrazytux.net)`
`00:28.56`	`*** join/#zaurus punkass (n=user@unaffiliated/punkass)`
`00:51.54`	`*** join/#zaurus Capn_Fish (n=Capn_Fis@ktaylor.dsl.visi.com)`
`01:38.31`	`Tomoe`	`wtf`
`01:38.52`	`Tomoe`	`licksjp: iru?`
`01:55.12`	`*** join/#zaurus scottlfa-Z (n=nicodiem@66-191-173-133.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com)`
`02:34.39`	`totall_6_7`	`You know,,,,, the links in your topic are basicly either dead or are useless`
`02:35.42`	`totall_6_7`	`zaurus.com is a redirect to sharp (useless if you are an owner of one of their Zaurus models and live in the usa)`
`02:36.26`	`totall_6_7`	`http://myzaurus.com/ <======totaly dead link`
`02:36.57`	`Capn_Fish`	`Who's links are you referring to?`
`02:37.14`	`totall_6_7`	`The topic for this room :D`
`02:37.16`	`totall_6_7`	`lol`
`02:37.21`	`Capn_Fish`	`I see.`
`02:37.34`	`totall_6_7`	`first time i looked at them`
`02:37.52`	`Capn_Fish`	`I hope your aware of http://www.oesf.org/forum`
`02:37.57`	`totall_6_7`	`btw hello Capn_Fish, seen your comments on the forums`
`02:38.00`	`totall_6_7`	`yes`
`02:38.06`	`Capn_Fish`	`And...?`
`02:38.11`	`totall_6_7`	`you make great reading!!`
`02:38.26`	`Capn_Fish`	`Glad to hear it. Which comments are you referring to?`
`02:38.52`	`Capn_Fish`	`I have many :)`
`02:38.58`	`Tomoe`	`it's not a room but a channel`
`02:39.06`	`Tomoe`	`and this channel has been abandoned by people who care`
`02:39.06`	`Tomoe`	`lol`
`02:39.24`	`totall_6_7`	`well hmmmmmmm you have quite a few there. I have seen none that i thought were a waste of my time reading as in so many forums`
`02:39.51`	`Capn_Fish`	`I'd hate to waste peoples' time.`
`02:39.56`	`totall_6_7`	`lol`
`02:39.56`	`Tomoe`	`me2`
`02:40.01`	`Capn_Fish`	`What Zaurus do you have?`
`02:40.02`	`totall_6_7`	`you know what i mean`
`02:40.08`	`Capn_Fish`	`And what ROM?`
`02:40.08`	`totall_6_7`	`3200`
`02:40.15`	`totall_6_7`	`ii13 alice`
`02:40.18`	`Tomoe`	`^^^^ newb`
`02:40.31`	`Capn_Fish`	`There's nothing inherently n00bish about pdaXii13`
`02:41.09`	`totall_6_7`	`Well i tried installing Sally but it failed, redownloaded file, failed again so went to alice`
`02:41.09`	`Tomoe`	`but incoherently there is!`
`02:41.34`	`Tomoe`	`Capn_Fish: I'm just trolling totall_6_7 a bit, he showed up here recently all enthusiastic and shit`
`02:41.37`	`Tomoe`	`=)`
`02:41.51`	`Capn_Fish`	`So did I some odd year and a half ago :)`
`02:42.28`	`totall_6_7`	`lets see i have had mine since the first week in January`
`02:42.30`	`Capn_Fish`	`Tomoe: What ROM/Zaurus?`
`02:42.49`	`Capn_Fish`	`I got my Z about 6 months before joining the forums`
`02:43.04`	`Capn_Fish`	`Then couldn't partition an SD card and needed help :)`
`02:43.17`	`Tomoe`	`Capn_Fish: C1000 with a stuck blue pixel`
`02:43.27`	`Capn_Fish`	`Tomoe: And which ROM?`
`02:43.29`	`Tomoe`	`Cacko ROM reverted to Japanese`
`02:43.38`	`Capn_Fish`	`You can read Japanese?!?`
`02:43.40`	`Capn_Fish`	`Lucky`
`02:43.43`	`Tomoe`	`lol`
`02:43.51`	`Tomoe`	`there's nothing lucky about that`
`02:44.20`	`Capn_Fish`	`I disagree.`
`02:44.24`	`Tomoe`	`6 hours of learning for a year`
`02:44.33`	`Capn_Fish`	`6 hours a day?`
`02:44.36`	`Tomoe`	`11 kanjis per day`
`02:44.49`	`Tomoe`	`I'd say it has more to do with hard work than luck`
`02:44.50`	`Tomoe`	`=P`
`02:44.52`	`Capn_Fish`	`Maybe I ought to give it a go.`
`02:45.03`	`Tomoe`	`give what a go? Japanese?`
`02:45.13`	`Capn_Fish`	`Ya, but it's lucky in that you can troll Japanese sites and understand the specs of the devices they tout.`
`02:45.16`	`Capn_Fish`	`Ya, Japanese`
`02:45.29`	`Tomoe`	`I'd be happier knowing chinese in that case`
`02:45.31`	`Tomoe`	`=D`
`02:45.42`	`Tomoe`	`taiwan > japan with regards to that`
`02:45.46`	`Capn_Fish`	`Nah, I'd prefer Japanese`
`02:46.09`	`totall_6_7`	`Tomoe: so my enthusasim bothers you huh? :D`
`02:46.12`	`Tomoe`	`I'd be studying korean in near future I think tho`
`02:46.16`	`Tomoe`	`totall_6_7: no, it's cute`
`02:46.19`	`Tomoe`	`<3 hartiz`
`02:46.39`	`Tomoe`	`Capn_Fish: well, give it a go`
`02:46.40`	`Tomoe`	`then`
`02:46.48`	`Capn_Fish`	`I may`
`02:46.51`	`Tomoe`	`kanji-wise, Zaurus is a great tool`
`02:46.59`	`Tomoe`	`also you got two decent dictionaries with it`
`02:47.16`	`Capn_Fish`	`Ya, but there's no way I'm using Sharp ROM/Cacko`
`02:47.22`	`Tomoe`	`hm actually`
`02:47.29`	`Tomoe`	`totall_6_7 is the one with c3k2`
`02:47.32`	`Tomoe`	`which one do you have?`
`02:47.42`	`Capn_Fish`	`Me?`
`02:47.44`	`totall_6_7`	`I am using ii13`
`02:47.47`	`Capn_Fish`	`2`
`02:47.52`	`Capn_Fish`	`A C750 and a C3100`
`02:47.59`	`totall_6_7`	`i couldnt stand the default rom that came with the unit`
`02:48.00`	`Tomoe`	`oh ok then`
`02:48.09`	`Tomoe`	`Capn_Fish: why not use cacko on one then`
`02:48.10`	`Tomoe`	`lol`
`02:48.35`	`Tomoe`	`dict+kanjinirvana+knquiz is worth it if you want to learn jap`
`02:48.50`	`Capn_Fish`	`I might do that.`
`02:49.09`	`Capn_Fish`	`totall_6_7: Need help with anything or are you just hanging out here?`
`02:49.19`	`totall_6_7`	`Sharp would have been better to figure out what it wanted to make the unit like. Either a pda or a micro laptop one or the other not try at both. By trying to get an os to act as both they ended up with (pml) crap`
`02:49.54`	`Capn_Fish`	`Who wants/needs a PDA when you can have a full X11 environment in your pocket?`
`02:50.03`	`totall_6_7`	`exactly`
`02:50.07`	`Capn_Fish`	`Except for Japanese, that is :)`
`02:50.07`	`Tomoe`	`how do I lost sight`
`02:50.16`	`Capn_Fish`	`What?`
`02:50.20`	`Tomoe`	`lol`
`02:50.28`	`Tomoe`	`dat b sum lolcat slang dere`
`02:50.37`	`Capn_Fish`	`Yay lolcats!`
`02:50.42`	`scottlfa-Z`	`ello capn`
`02:50.48`	`Capn_Fish`	`scottlfa-Z: hey`
`02:50.54`	`Capn_Fish`	`Need anything?`
`02:50.55`	`Tomoe`	`Capn_Fish: not many people would feel having x11 in their pocket an advantage`
`02:51.05`	`Capn_Fish`	`Tomoe: Why not?`
`02:51.06`	`scottlfa-Z`	`just hagging out from the couch`
`02:51.09`	`Capn_Fish`	`cool\`
`02:51.17`	`Capn_Fish`	`On your Z, I take it?`
`02:51.21`	`Tomoe`	`Capn_Fish: why would they?`
`02:51.31`	`scottlfa-Z`	`I do, love x on the go`
`02:51.44`	`scottlfa-Z`	`you know it capn`
`02:51.45`	`Tomoe`	`even I don't feel the need for that, and I consider myself to be a unix fag and oss preacher`
`02:51.46`	`Capn_Fish`	`Because you can run standard apps on it`
`02:51.59`	`Capn_Fish`	`Tomoe: That's insane!`
`02:52.05`	`Tomoe`	`lulz@standard apps on 3,5"`
`02:52.15`	`Tomoe`	`I need dem big buttonz`
`02:52.21`	`Capn_Fish`	`I don't really feel you can preach Linux if it's not CLI or X11`
`02:52.27`	`totall_6_7`	`Capn_Fish: I have found or installed all the software i needed for what i do. AudioBooks (smplayer) Music (xmms) ebooks, movies, but there is one thing that i am going to have to do that i am not looking foward to. Compile Gnomesowrd for the unit`
`02:52.30`	`Capn_Fish`	`It's just not Linux IMO if it's not one of those`
`02:52.34`	`Tomoe`	`I never said I don't do CLI`
`02:52.36`	`Tomoe`	`=P`
`02:52.53`	`Tomoe`	`I just wtf@x11+unmodified apps on 3,8" screen`
`02:52.54`	`Capn_Fish`	`I never said you didn't`
`02:52.54`	`Tomoe`	`=P`
`02:53.02`	`Capn_Fish`	`They work well`
`02:53.05`	`Tomoe`	`they do`
`02:53.08`	`Tomoe`	`I don't`
`02:53.10`	`Tomoe`	`with them`
`02:53.12`	`Tomoe`	`lol`
`02:53.16`	`Capn_Fish`	`I see`
`02:53.23`	`scottlfa-Z`	`most behave to the screen dimensions`
`02:53.32`	`Capn_Fish`	`Quite well.`
`02:53.35`	`Tomoe`	`well`
`02:53.37`	`Capn_Fish`	`Especially with EvilWM`
`02:53.47`	`Capn_Fish`	`The best WM on the Zaurus EVER!`
`02:54.01`	`totall_6_7`	`Capn_Fish: huh?`
`02:54.03`	`Tomoe`	`I've been using a Symbian phone, E61i, for most of IM/PIM needs`
`02:54.09`	`Tomoe`	`recently`
`02:54.15`	`Capn_Fish`	`totall_6_7: EvilWM. It's the best WM for the Zaurus`
`02:54.23`	`Capn_Fish`	`Almost total keyboard control`
`02:54.25`	`Tomoe`	`Zaurus went back to what it's supposed to be`
`02:54.36`	`Tomoe`	`muscled edictionary`
`02:54.37`	`Tomoe`	`=P`
`02:54.40`	`totall_6_7`	`Capn_Fish: that was not part of the default install for ii13`
`02:54.41`	`Capn_Fish`	`No window decorations (saves precious real estate)`
`02:54.46`	`Capn_Fish`	`totall_6_7: nope`
`02:54.46`	`totall_6_7`	`so i have no clue what it is`
`02:54.51`	`Capn_Fish`	`Ah.`
`02:54.56`	`scottlfa-Z`	`see I dont use the Z for the usual pda things`
`02:55.01`	`Capn_Fish`	`Me?`
`02:55.04`	`scottlfa-Z`	`I have a SX66 for that`
`02:55.23`	`Capn_Fish`	`totall_6_7: I could send you the source to compile if you'd like`
`02:55.32`	`Capn_Fish`	`It ought to be as easy as typing "make"`
`02:55.41`	`totall_6_7`	`That would be great!!`
`02:55.44`	`totall_6_7`	`thanks :D`
`02:55.45`	`Capn_Fish`	`Assuming you have a compiler (I think pdaXii13 does by defualt`
`02:55.53`	`Tomoe`	`is there a decent jap input module on x11 for zaurii these days?`
`02:55.55`	`Capn_Fish`	`totall_6_7: What's your OESF username?`
`02:56.01`	`Capn_Fish`	`Tomoe: No idea`
`02:56.13`	`totall_6_7`	`i am not resgistered there, i have just been lurking`
`02:56.19`	`Tomoe`	`scottlfa-Z: what do you use it for?`
`02:56.20`	`Capn_Fish`	`totall_6_7: NP`
`02:56.24`	`totall_6_7`	`If you are unable to use DCC for one reason or another try this service: http://www.sendspace.com/ You do NOT have to fill out any info on that site, just click upload and after its done uploading you will be given the URL (download address) that you can give out`
`02:56.35`	`Capn_Fish`	`k`
`02:56.37`	`Capn_Fish`	`hang on`
`02:57.19`	`Capn_Fish`	`http://www.sendspace.com/file/632e3f`
`02:57.32`	`Capn_Fish`	`Warning: It WILL take some getting used to!`
`02:57.49`	`Capn_Fish`	`I'll walk you through it, if you'd like.`
`02:57.51`	`totall_6_7`	`Thanks :D`
`02:57.55`	`Capn_Fish`	`np`
`02:58.12`	`scottlfa-Z`	`I use mine as a micro laptop for minor office work`
`02:58.28`	`totall_6_7`	`scottlfa-Z: Mine replaces my iPAQ`
`02:58.31`	`scottlfa-Z`	`schedules for sites / roster control etc.`
`02:59.02`	`Capn_Fish`	`Dev box, web browser, Linux test platform, text editor, SSH client, e-mail, etc.`
`02:59.50`	`totall_6_7`	`Man someone who actually uses the unit for as much as i do!!`
`02:59.59`	`scottlfa-Z`	`lol`
`03:00.02`	`Capn_Fish`	`I use it a TON`
`03:00.05`	`Tomoe`	`scottlfa-Z: and will you be getting an eee? =D`
`03:00.28`	`scottlfa-Z`	`I use claw for email, some webrowsing, irc etc`
`03:00.34`	`scottlfa-Z`	`No`
`03:00.44`	`scottlfa-Z`	`it wont fit in my pocket`
`03:00.54`	`Capn_Fish`	`scottlfa-Z: My opinion exactly`
`03:01.03`	`scottlfa-Z`	`I have a M34 Toughbook for anything bigger`
`03:01.04`	`Capn_Fish`	`And Claws-Mail FTW`
`03:01.22`	`Capn_Fish`	`totall_6_7: Need any instructions, or would you like to do it later?`
`03:02.02`	`totall_6_7`	`i just got home from work so i am basicly brain dead, i will install it later. Probably when i go to have coffee`
`03:02.11`	`Capn_Fish`	`k`
`03:02.14`	`totall_6_7`	`Thanks for the offer of help :D`
`03:02.18`	`Capn_Fish`	`Not a problem`
`03:02.42`	`Capn_Fish`	`I'll probably be on for another half hour or so`
`03:02.55`	`scottlfa-Z`	`cool`
`03:02.58`	`totall_6_7`	`[18:13:57] <totall_6_7> scottlfa-Z: check out this link and tell me in your opinion if that would work as an extender for the sl3200 http://www.shop.com/CTA_PSP_Attachable_8_hour_Extended_Battery_Pack_PS_ABT_-37104155-p!.shtml#similar_items`
`03:03.08`	`totall_6_7`	`maybe Capn_Fish would know`
`03:03.34`	`Capn_Fish`	`It ought to`
`03:03.42`	`Capn_Fish`	`Anything that's 5v should work`
`03:04.08`	`Capn_Fish`	`With the right plug, of course, and preferably 1-2A`
`03:04.08`	`Tomoe`	`scottlfa-Z: some small pockets you got there`
`03:04.09`	`Tomoe`	`=PP`
`03:04.18`	`totall_6_7`	`cool then i am going to order one. They dont cost that much so if it doesnt work no bigh loss`
`03:04.33`	`Capn_Fish`	`Plus you can use it for DYI stuff`
`03:04.34`	`Tomoe`	`psp attachable batteries should work with the zaurus, no prob`
`03:04.59`	`Tomoe`	`I don't remember, but I think even the plug is the same?`
`03:05.05`	`Capn_Fish`	`yes`
`03:05.07`	`Blue89`	`I got an external USB-based battery once, and tried to connect a PSP USB charger to it, that didn't work`
`03:05.12`	`scottlfa-Z`	`ponder`
`03:05.15`	`Capn_Fish`	`Conics shipped a PSP adapter with my C3100`
`03:05.25`	`Tomoe`	`dem hoz`
`03:05.40`	`Blue89`	`I think the amperage on that charger was not right`
`03:05.40`	`Capn_Fish`	`So I hope they're compatible.`
`03:05.47`	`Capn_Fish`	`It's 2A`
`03:05.49`	`Tomoe`	`scottlfa-Z: how about that Fujitsu 5,6" microlaptop ?`
`03:05.56`	`Capn_Fish`	`The Z charger is 1A`
`03:06.00`	`scottlfa-Z`	`Limited pockets in the security uniform.`
`03:06.07`	`Tomoe`	`lol`
`03:06.24`	`Blue89`	`but as far as I know, the voltage and plug on the PSP and the clamshell Zaurus models are the same, but the PSP charger has only a small amount more amperage`
`03:06.44`	`scottlfa-Z`	`I thought about that one, price is brutal`
`03:06.44`	`Capn_Fish`	`100% more, but yse`
`03:06.46`	`Capn_Fish`	`*yes`
`03:07.00`	`Blue89`	`not enough to make a significant difference to the Z, which is designed to handle power from multiple kinds of outlets around the world AFAICT`
`03:07.12`	`Capn_Fish`	`That's true AFAIK`
`03:07.28`	`Blue89`	`I would imagine that it matters more to the PSP`
`03:08.30`	`Tomoe`	`Blue89: wtf`
`03:08.40`	`Blue89`	`?`
`03:08.41`	`Tomoe`	`zaurus is designed to take power from its acdc adapter`
`03:08.43`	`Tomoe`	`=P`
`03:09.01`	`Tomoe`	`and while that adapter is quite good it doesn't say anything about the zaurus itself`
`03:09.16`	`Blue89`	`well it's going to be taking power from multiple adapters, which can only supply as much current as they take in`
`03:09.39`	`Tomoe`	`oh it appears that there's decent working japinput for OZ/Opie now`
`03:09.40`	`Tomoe`	`=D`
`03:09.48`	`Capn_Fish`	`OZ is dead`
`03:09.56`	`Capn_Fish`	`Angstrom is the new OZ`
`03:10.00`	`Blue89`	`Tomoe, doesn't OZ use a 2.6 kernel?`
`03:10.06`	`Capn_Fish`	`Ya`
`03:10.08`	`Tomoe`	`uh, I guess`
`03:10.21`	`Tomoe`	`Capn_Fish: and what does that mean exactly`
`03:10.45`	`Capn_Fish`	`It means it's more up-to-date, has better support for stuff, and is generally better`
`03:10.52`	`Blue89`	`if Oz holds up to OCing better than pdax I might switch ;-)`
`03:11.05`	`Capn_Fish`	`What Z do you have, Blue89?`
`03:11.16`	`Blue89`	`I still have a USB ethernet adapter that a stock 2.4 kernel doesn't usually have modulses for... :-/`
`03:11.23`	`Blue89`	`SL-C3200 "terrier"`
`03:11.32`	`scottlfa-Z`	`It dosent really`
`03:11.35`	`Capn_Fish`	`THe C3200 doesn't overclock so well in generally`
`03:11.39`	`Capn_Fish`	`*general`
`03:11.48`	`Capn_Fish`	`What chipset?`
`03:12.01`	`Blue89`	`it supposedly wil;l overclock if you don't screw up the bus speeds outside the CPU`
`03:12.25`	`Capn_Fish`	`It will OC, but not as well/easily as the other models`
`03:12.25`	`Blue89`	`but for some reason every time I OC in pdax it eats it's own X11 libraries for no apparent reason`
`03:12.27`	`scottlfa-Z`	`I dont OC mine ... seems to be an iffy thing on most of the Z's`
`03:12.39`	`Capn_Fish`	`Blue89: What chipset for the USB dongle?`
`03:12.44`	`Blue89`	`everything else works perfect on pdax`
`03:13.12`	`Blue89`	`TrendNet U2-ET100, asix chipset IIRC`
`03:13.27`	`Capn_Fish`	`Do you know what driver it uses?`
`03:13.32`	`Blue89`	`asix`
`03:13.55`	`Blue89`	`or "axenet" I hear, maybe the driver's name was changed`
`03:14.02`	`Capn_Fish`	`k`
`03:14.15`	`Capn_Fish`	`Sorry, I forgot I was using Angstrom.`
`03:14.39`	`Capn_Fish`	`I have kernel sources, so it probably could have been built for 2.6.16`
`03:14.41`	`Blue89`	`if you're using a 2.4 you can send me your asix driver, right?/`
`03:14.49`	`Capn_Fish`	`I can't`
`03:14.57`	`Capn_Fish`	`I have no 2.4 kernel sources`
`03:15.00`	`scottlfa-Z`	`Nopa ... different kernels`
`03:15.05`	`Capn_Fish`	`That too`
`03:15.28`	`Capn_Fish`	`I've tried to get them for 2.4.x, but no luck`
`03:15.31`	`scottlfa-Z`	`Mine is 2ro0's ... 2.6`
`03:15.34`	`Capn_Fish`	`I couldn't get a module to work`
`03:15.45`	`Capn_Fish`	`scottlfa-Z: You're using Debian?`
`03:15.49`	`scottlfa-Z`	`Yes`
`03:15.57`	`Capn_Fish`	`It's so SLOW!`
`03:16.08`	`scottlfa-Z`	`Not for me`
`03:16.25`	`scottlfa-Z`	`Nand is wha makes the others faster`
`03:16.31`	`Capn_Fish`	`What did you do?`
`03:16.46`	`Capn_Fish`	`I'm running Angstrom off of the MD, and it's being quite zippy`
`03:16.55`	`scottlfa-Z`	`I ran pdax from the drive to save the nand and noticed its not much faster`
`03:18.06`	`scottlfa-Z`	`Not a fan of anything ang`
`03:18.21`	`Capn_Fish`	`Why not?`
`03:18.24`	`scottlfa-Z`	`Koen I guess`
`03:18.28`	`Capn_Fish`	`Me too :)`
`03:18.36`	`Capn_Fish`	`But I made it run like an updated pdaX`
`03:18.37`	`scottlfa-Z`	`something about the vib puts me off.`
`03:18.47`	`scottlfa-Z`	`nod`
`03:19.22`	`Capn_Fish`	`It seems off-putting, but if you get into it, its not bad`
`03:19.22`	`scottlfa-Z`	`I used to run pdaxrom`
`03:19.33`	`Capn_Fish`	`Me too`
`03:19.44`	`Capn_Fish`	`For most of my Zaurus-using time`
`03:21.23`	`scottlfa-Z`	`back`
`03:21.45`	`scottlfa-Z`	`I like debian, use it on my laptops too.`
`03:21.52`	`Capn_Fish`	`Me too.`
`03:23.03`	`Capn_Fish`	`It just feels too heavy on the Z`
`03:23.22`	`scottlfa-Z`	`Sometimes, I can conceed that.`
`03:23.32`	`scottlfa-Z`	`I have gottin used too it.`
`03:23.54`	`Capn_Fish`	`I say don't get used to slow, do something about it.`
`03:24.09`	`scottlfa-Z`	`Mp3's play through mpd (sonata) / Irc ,web / email :)`
`03:24.16`	`scottlfa-Z`	`lol`
`03:24.28`	`Capn_Fish`	`So?`
`03:24.46`	`scottlfa-Z`	`Its slow is nearly the same as running the dists from the drive and not nand`
`03:25.12`	`Capn_Fish`	`I'm running Angstrom from HDD and it feels the same as pdaX from NAND`
`03:25.26`	`scottlfa-Z`	`now if important parts of the core could be run from nand, now that would speed some of it up.`
`03:25.30`	`scottlfa-Z`	`nod`
`03:25.49`	`Capn_Fish`	`Why would Debian be slow and Angstrom fast? I just don't get it.`
`03:26.08`	`Blue89`	`Angstrom is soft float, right?`
`03:26.14`	`scottlfa-Z`	`angst should be faster, its tweaked more for the device`
`03:26.15`	`Capn_Fish`	`ya`
`03:26.20`	`Capn_Fish`	`true`
`03:26.30`	`scottlfa-Z`	`debian is generic for armel`
`03:26.35`	`Capn_Fish`	`But it's like night and day`
`03:26.44`	`scottlfa-Z`	`I like apt, never been fond of ipkg`
`03:26.49`	`scottlfa-Z`	`for instance`
`03:26.54`	`Capn_Fish`	`True.`
`03:27.02`	`Capn_Fish`	`Angstrom's is better than pdaX's, though`
`03:27.03`	`scottlfa-Z`	`I like a very familiar config file base`
`03:27.10`	`scottlfa-Z`	`Agreed`
`03:27.13`	`Capn_Fish`	`True.`
`03:27.27`	`Capn_Fish`	`If Debian ran quickly on the Z, I would likely use it.`
`03:27.32`	`totall_6_7`	`ummmm the package manager that is installed with ii13 says it will accept either deb or ipkg`
`03:27.37`	`totall_6_7`	`is it wrong?`
`03:27.47`	`Capn_Fish`	`Blue89: Get Gentoo for Zaurus`
`03:27.52`	`scottlfa-Z`	`Most issues I have I find a fix for out side the Z community, which is cool for me.`
`03:27.52`	`Capn_Fish`	`totall_6_7: Nope`
`03:28.11`	`Capn_Fish`	`but you'll hit dep issues`
`03:28.19`	`scottlfa-Z`	`It does not deal with deps and upgrades like apt does.`
`03:28.52`	`Blue89`	`Capn_Fish, I have not been able to find any docs for GentooForZaurus, or normal Gentoo`
`03:28.54`	`Blue89`	`I can't just go by the normal handbook, because that would not explain how to deal with this Md`
`03:29.03`	`scottlfa-Z`	`There are some russian sites for gentoo ... I was looking into it before debian.`
`03:29.13`	`Blue89`	`I found a page explaining Gentoo on the 3200, and it's in russian...`
`03:29.32`	`scottlfa-Z`	`nod`
`03:29.34`	`Blue89`	`google translation and babel fish bot fail to help me at all there`
`03:29.36`	`scottlfa-Z`	`brb`
`03:30.08`	`scottlfa-Z`	`back`
`03:31.22`	`Blue89`	`I think I can get it to work by leaving pdax on the nand though, won't that pivot to gentoo's init?`
`03:31.41`	`Capn_Fish`	`IDK`
`03:32.27`	`scottlfa-Z`	`IDK`
`03:34.47`	`scottlfa-Z`	`brb`
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`03:36.28`	`Blue89`	`I know gentoo would compile on a 416mhz device for hours at a time, but I just want a device that does the things I would normally use my desktop for. I'm sure scottlfa and most of you can relate, otherwise you would not be using a Linux handheld. ;-)`
`03:36.49`	`Capn_Fish`	`True`
`03:36.58`	`totall_6_7`	`that is why i like ii13`
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`03:37.06`	`Blue89`	`right`
`03:37.09`	`Capn_Fish`	`Blue89: What Z again?`
`03:37.13`	`Blue89`	`3200`
`03:37.20`	`Capn_Fish`	`What about Angstrom?`
`03:37.45`	`Blue89`	`I will try to limit my language here... Angstrom sucks. :-P`
`03:37.54`	`Capn_Fish`	`How so?`
`03:38.01`	`Capn_Fish`	`I used to think the same thing`
`03:38.15`	`Blue89`	`they have like 3 programs in their package manager, all broken up into 20 peices each`
`03:38.38`	`Blue89`	`I have so much difficulty getting it to install ANYTHING`
`03:38.41`	`Capn_Fish`	`I agree, that is a pain`
`03:38.48`	`Capn_Fish`	`Installation is not`
`03:38.57`	`Capn_Fish`	`And there are many more than 3 packages`
`03:39.21`	`Capn_Fish`	`Anything else?`
`03:39.27`	`Blue89`	`I exaggerated a little, but you understand`
`03:39.50`	`Capn_Fish`	`Ya. You hate GPE, then?`
`03:40.00`	`Blue89`	`I seem to recall it missing some other functions that worked in pdax, but I used it so shortly that I forget what they were`
`03:40.06`	`Tomoe`	`SUP HAY`
`03:40.10`	`Blue89`	`ah, thanks for the reminder`
`03:40.16`	`Blue89`	`no E17 package ;-)`
`03:40.29`	`Scottlfa`	`the biggest and only issue I have with angst is some of the developers attitudes`
`03:40.51`	`Capn_Fish`	`cough, Koen, cough`
`03:41.28`	`Blue89`	`I sum up the difference like this: Angstrom is designed for handhelds. pdaXii13 is designed for mini-laptops.`
`03:41.29`	`Capn_Fish`	`The only things I'm missing in Angstrom is configuring right and middle mouse buttons`
`03:41.44`	`Capn_Fish`	`Blue89: My Angstrom is running ~=pdaX`
`03:41.54`	`Capn_Fish`	`Except more up to date`
`03:42.03`	`Capn_Fish`	`And with a slightly different set of quirks`
`03:42.10`	`Blue89`	`Angstrom is designed for Email and PIM. pdaxii13 is designed to clean your house, make your coffee, and balance your checkbook.`
`03:42.31`	`Blue89`	`lol`
`03:42.43`	`Capn_Fish`	`Ouch. So C/C++ programming is e-mail? Or is it PIM?`
`03:42.46`	`Blue89`	`once again, I exaggerated, but only about pdax ;-)`
`03:43.01`	`Capn_Fish`	`Maybe the DEFAULT image is designed to do that`
`03:43.14`	`Capn_Fish`	`But with a little time, you can have a FULL (ie, not GPE) X11 image`
`03:44.03`	`Tomoe`	`halp pls2link2 zawrus angstrom homepage`
`03:44.11`	`Scottlfa`	`default images for angst are two spartan for most.`
`03:44.12`	`Blue89`	`Capn_Fish, if you can name for me more than 5 unique games in the package manager you will prove me wrong`
`03:44.32`	`Scottlfa`	`where as pdx comes with alot of stuff to aid in getting things started.`
`03:44.35`	`Capn_Fish`	`Tomoe: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/`
`03:44.45`	`Capn_Fish`	`that's about as close to the homepage as you'll get`
`03:44.52`	`Scottlfa`	`:)`
`03:44.59`	`Blue89`	`if it isn't email, PIM, web browsing, or text editing, it's not there`
`03:45.06`	`Blue89`	`half of those aren't even there`
`03:45.20`	`Blue89`	`angstrom is the only PDA distro I have ever seen without a Dillo package`
`03:45.36`	`Blue89`	`save windows, the only distro period`
`03:45.42`	`Scottlfa`	`or filemanager of some sort`
`03:45.57`	`Capn_Fish`	`http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=dillo`
`03:46.05`	`Capn_Fish`	`Blue89: ???`
`03:46.17`	`Capn_Fish`	`Scottlfa: You need a file manager?`
`03:46.29`	`Scottlfa`	`But with all this said, what distro is used by whom is a personal choice`
`03:46.39`	`Capn_Fish`	`http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=rox-filer`
`03:46.40`	`Scottlfa`	`I got my brother a Z, he's not console savy`
`03:46.57`	`Blue89`	`"Scottlfa: You need a file manager?" perfect example of my point`
`03:47.09`	`Scottlfa`	`those pesky gui programs make the difference between a paper weight for some and a useful machine for others.`
`03:47.11`	`Capn_Fish`	`I still fail to see how`
`03:47.41`	`Capn_Fish`	`Blue89: I fail to see how that illustrates a point`
`03:47.45`	`Scottlfa`	`I use console fine, my brother however isn't so good at using console commands.`
`03:47.51`	`Blue89`	`there wasn't a dillo package untill after I screamed at the developers for it a month ago`
`03:48.04`	`Blue89`	`I didn't know they finaly added one`
`03:48.08`	`Capn_Fish`	`np`
`03:48.13`	`Scottlfa`	`He uses pdaxii13 and is enjoying the gui apps and his Z :)`
`03:48.20`	`Capn_Fish`	`GUI apps are nice`
`03:48.22`	`Capn_Fish`	`I agree`
`03:48.31`	`Scottlfa`	`for some they are a must.`
`03:48.37`	`Capn_Fish`	`true.`
`03:48.37`	`Blue89`	`I may have misread your message, I thougth that was "You need one? You can't do without? What a n00b."`
`03:48.45`	`Capn_Fish`	`No, not at all.`
`03:48.47`	`Scottlfa`	`lol`
`03:48.50`	`Tomoe`	`thanks Capn_Fish`
`03:48.54`	`Scottlfa`	`I am not a n00b :)`
`03:48.57`	`Capn_Fish`	`Tomoe: No problem`
`03:49.03`	`Blue89`	`definetly not`
`03:49.14`	`Capn_Fish`	`Scottlfa: I did not mean to imply in any way that you were`
`03:49.20`	`Scottlfa`	`its cool`
`03:49.41`	`totall_6_7`	`Blue89: i refuse to do, in terminal, what a nicely working gui filemanager can do just as well`
`03:49.47`	`Blue89`	`there are things that are easier done in the terminal than in emelfm, etc. bulk file copying usually isn't one of them.`
`03:49.54`	`Scottlfa`	`nod`
`03:50.11`	`Capn_Fish`	`true`
`03:50.31`	`Capn_Fish`	`I don't even have a FM on my Z, mostly because I don't usually move to many files around`
`03:50.41`	`Capn_Fish`	`On my laptop it's essential, however`
`03:51.14`	`Capn_Fish`	`Tomoe: You may want to look into building your own image. The default GPE one is kind of lousy`
`03:51.15`	`Scottlfa`	`I went with a full blown mini-laptop approach on my Z.`
`03:51.22`	`Blue89`	`Then you obviously limit the use of your Z. you can put up with Angstrom. We're not so lucky.`
`03:51.46`	`totall_6_7`	`I did find out, Blue89 or anyone. That if you use the filemanager PCmanfm you can navagate to where you want to be then you can use pcmanfm to open terminal and you will be exactly where you are in the gui`
`03:51.47`	`Tomoe`	`dem hoz b making dem shittay images`
`03:51.51`	`Capn_Fish`	`You can use whatever you want. I was only trying to understand where you were coming from.`
`03:51.58`	`totall_6_7`	`saves lots of typing cd blahblah`
`03:51.58`	`Scottlfa`	`Installed gnome (tweaked it), installed lots of the standard apps (fm, media etc ...), tweaked and worked with various apps to get things working that I want.`
`03:52.06`	`Capn_Fish`	`Tomoe: I can haz a decent image?`
`03:52.17`	`Tomoe`	`Capn_Fish: which sip voip app would you recommend`
`03:52.18`	`Tomoe`	`?`
`03:52.30`	`Capn_Fish`	`I haven't tried any yet`
`03:52.43`	`Scottlfa`	`I don't see it as he's limiting it, just has a preference towards a certain way of having it setup :)`
`03:53.12`	`*** join/#zaurus Menaie (n=menaie@203.48.45.198)`
`03:53.16`	`Blue89`	`Scottlfa, he doesn't copy files. 'Nuff said.`
`03:53.28`	`Capn_Fish`	`Hey Menaie`
`03:53.31`	`Blue89`	`Menaie!`
`03:53.34`	`Menaie`	`hey Capn_Fish`
`03:53.38`	`Menaie`	`hi Blue89`
`03:53.39`	`Scottlfa`	`Ello Menaie`
`03:53.48`	`Menaie`	`lo Scottlfa`
`03:54.00`	`Blue89`	`would you kill me if I asked you to include a kernel module in pdaxii13 that isn't there yet?`
`03:54.02`	`Menaie`	`happy new year every1`
`03:54.06`	`Capn_Fish`	`Ya`
`03:54.19`	`Scottlfa`	`indeed`
`03:54.22`	`Capn_Fish`	`Blue89: I doubt it. His name is kind of ironic :)`
`03:54.27`	`Tomoe`	`Menaie = Meanie ?`
`03:54.39`	`Menaie`	`yep :)`
`03:54.41`	`Capn_Fish`	`Menaie: != a meanie`
`03:54.49`	`Tomoe`	`wqat`
`03:54.52`	`Blue89`	`I can't find an asix driver for my usb ethernet. :-/`
`03:54.56`	`Tomoe`	`diz nigga b confuzd`
`03:55.10`	`Tomoe`	`oh`
`03:55.15`	`totall_6_7`	`is Menaie the one who put ii13 together??`
`03:55.17`	`Tomoe`	`well`
`03:55.20`	`Capn_Fish`	`ya`
`03:55.22`	`Menaie`	`depends on whether the kernel module can be build`
`03:55.25`	`Tomoe`	`LOL HY Menaie`
`03:55.36`	`Blue89`	`I actually ran into another problem with pdax recently, that you may not know about`
`03:55.46`	`totall_6_7`	`WELL DONE Menaie!!!!!`
`03:56.17`	`Menaie`	`well, been away for a few months... just got back`
`03:56.22`	`Blue89`	`If I overclock my 3200 with the cpuoverclock.py tool, my X libs get damaged somehow`
`03:56.34`	`Blue89`	`and I still can't figure out which ones need fixed`
`03:57.00`	`Blue89`	`after wards, any app that tries to draw on the root window segfaults... rox, E17, etc.`
`03:57.11`	`Menaie`	`that's bad, but generally, overclocking is like a black art`
`03:57.35`	`Menaie`	`and the cpu in the 3200 is not very overclocking friendly`
`03:57.44`	`Blue89`	`true`
`03:58.03`	`Blue89`	`my point is, everything else held up well, I don't see how the only thing that is effected is my root window`
`03:58.13`	`*** join/#zaurus antikx (n=antikx@wnpgmb014vw-ad05-182-191.dynamic.mts.net)`
`03:58.15`	`Blue89`	`that makes no sense`
`03:58.20`	`Capn_Fish`	`hey antikx`
`03:58.25`	`antikx`	`hey`
`03:58.40`	`Capn_Fish`	`It's a hopping place tonight`
`03:58.45`	`Scottlfa`	`lol`
`03:59.16`	`Menaie`	`i dont overclock my z since it never is very stable on mine`
`03:59.30`	`Scottlfa`	`neither do I.`
`03:59.33`	`Capn_Fish`	`Ask ISO, he OCs all the time :)`
`03:59.43`	`Blue89`	`I am sorry to barrage o=you with requests as soon as you come in, but I have found no other distro that works better on the 3200. If not for two little flaws, I dare say it would be perfect.`
`04:00.34`	`antikx`	`hey Menaie`
`04:01.25`	`Menaie`	`hi antikx`
`04:02.05`	`antikx`	`belated congrats on gettin' wed`
`04:02.10`	`Menaie`	`ta`
`04:03.08`	`antikx`	`you guys talking about OCing?`
`04:03.14`	`Capn_Fish`	`Kind of`
`04:03.16`	`Menaie`	`i need to talk to ISO sometime soon`
`04:03.16`	`Capn_Fish`	`Just recently`
`04:03.25`	`Capn_Fish`	`Email the mailing list`
`04:03.28`	`Menaie`	`OCing is evil :)`
`04:03.31`	`Capn_Fish`	`I caught him earlier today`
`04:03.41`	`Menaie`	`i just emailed the dev list`
`04:03.42`	`Capn_Fish`	`We were dabating Angstrom vs pdaX`
`04:03.51`	`antikx`	`I OCed whenI ws playing with the psx emu`
`04:03.58`	`Scottlfa`	`and occasionally debian :)`
`04:04.03`	`Blue89`	`but the only thing that is effected is my root window, it seems to me like I should be able to fix that and actually OC without issues`
`04:04.04`	`antikx`	`but other then that I don't`
`04:04.04`	`Capn_Fish`	`ya`
`04:04.21`	`Menaie`	`I wanna build a new pdaXrom based on Debian EABI`
`04:04.30`	`antikx`	`cool`
`04:04.39`	`Capn_Fish`	`We should really get a chat going with ISO and whatever other devs there are`
`04:04.43`	`Capn_Fish`	`And work out a good roadmap`
`04:04.49`	`Menaie`	`yep`
`04:04.54`	`Menaie`	`we definately need a roadmap`
`04:05.03`	`Scottlfa`	`Night peoples.`
`04:05.06`	`Capn_Fish`	`cya`
`04:05.07`	`Blue89`	`night`
`04:05.11`	`Menaie`	`nite`
`04:05.15`	`Capn_Fish`	`Menaie: Using OE, perhaps?`
`04:05.17`	`Scottlfa`	`leaving open too read things in the morning :)`
`04:05.28`	`Capn_Fish`	`Set your scrollback lines up :)`
`04:05.34`	`Menaie`	`yeah, OE seems the way to go`
`04:05.39`	`Capn_Fish`	`I agree`
`04:05.53`	`Capn_Fish`	`It's building Epiphany for me now`
`04:05.56`	`Menaie`	`didn't you get an email from me?`
`04:05.59`	`Capn_Fish`	`Plus it's painless`
`04:06.04`	`Capn_Fish`	`I haven't checked`
`04:06.11`	`antikx`	`nite`
`04:06.26`	`Capn_Fish`	`nite`
`04:07.24`	`Tomoe`	`YEAH WE NEED A ROADMAP`
`04:07.28`	`Tomoe`	`AND HOOKERS`
`04:07.31`	`Tomoe`	`AND BLACKJACK`
`04:07.36`	`antikx`	`:)`
`04:07.49`	`antikx`	`dont forget wiskey`
`04:07.55`	`Blue89`	`and hardware 3D acceleration? ;-)`
`04:08.15`	`Tomoe`	`that's what hookers are for`
`04:08.31`	`Blue89`	`I guess you're right, but it would be nice`
`04:08.36`	`Blue89`	`oh well`
`04:08.55`	`Capn_Fish`	`Menaie: Nope, no mails`
`04:09.07`	`Capn_Fish`	`Blue89: 3d accel is no good without drivers`
`04:09.21`	`Menaie`	`lemme forward the mail to you`
`04:09.21`	`antikx`	`and good drivers`
`04:09.30`	`Capn_Fish`	`k`
`04:10.47`	`Menaie`	`all i want is unlimited cable internet`
`04:11.04`	`Capn_Fish`	`Menaie: I just want 5k Gbps...`
`04:11.06`	`antikx`	`can't get that in AU.`
`04:11.11`	`antikx`	`?`
`04:11.14`	`Menaie`	`nope`
`04:11.21`	`Capn_Fish`	`I totally agree with all you say`
`04:11.27`	`Menaie`	`well, i really just need 10GB per day`
`04:11.31`	`Capn_Fish`	`Now if we can get ISO`
`04:11.38`	`Capn_Fish`	`to agree with us.`
`04:12.21`	`Capn_Fish`	`I don't think I use 10 GB a day, but with all the packages I've been building, you never know`
`04:13.02`	`Menaie`	`i do, sometimes even more cause downloading ISO files takes up lots and lots of bandwitdth`
`04:13.30`	`antikx`	`@capn: see other chat`
`04:13.32`	`Capn_Fish`	`How many ISOs do you need? I used to DL maybe 5/day when I was trying every distro under the sun,`
`04:13.45`	`Capn_Fish`	`antikx: Other? The one I just closed?`
`04:13.55`	`Capn_Fish`	`but not regularly`
`04:14.02`	`antikx`	`I guess.:)`
`04:14.05`	`Capn_Fish`	`heck, I only have 40GB of disk space`
`04:14.18`	`Capn_Fish`	`antikx: Back open`
`04:14.33`	`Capn_Fish`	`And only 10GB partitioned up until a while ago`
`04:14.56`	`antikx`	`wow`
`04:15.01`	`Menaie`	`i got plenty of disk space, but i keep filling them up :)`
`04:15.16`	`Capn_Fish`	`antikx: How little I use?`
`04:15.17`	`Menaie`	`currently got 500GB`
`04:15.20`	`Capn_Fish`	`:O`
`04:15.29`	`Blue89`	`o_0`
`04:15.40`	`antikx`	`it doesn't seem to matter how big of a drive I have it always sits with 10BG free. :)`
`04:15.40`	`Blue89`	`._()`
`04:15.53`	`Capn_Fish`	`lol`
`04:16.37`	`Menaie`	`i was with like 300MB free for a week and then had to get a few extra disks`
`04:16.39`	`Blue89`	`(it's a craptop... lol)`
`04:16.41`	`antikx`	`blue... you are advenurous`
`04:16.49`	`antikx`	`:)`
`04:16.59`	`Capn_Fish`	`18GB isn't so bad. I don't USE more than that`
`04:17.03`	`Capn_Fish`	`I just have it :)`
`04:17.11`	`Blue89`	`antikx, after I talked about putting portage on pdax, you are just figuring that out?`
`04:17.30`	`Blue89`	`lol`
`04:18.27`	`antikx`	`:)`
`04:18.57`	`antikx`	`meanaie... what you playing with on you Z these days?`
`04:19.14`	`Menaie`	`i just pulled my dusty Zs out of the bag`
`04:19.27`	`Capn_Fish`	`Zaurus? Dust? Gasp!`
`04:19.38`	`Blue89`	`lol`
`04:19.41`	`Capn_Fish`	`Mine sits untouched for like 6 hours max`
`04:19.47`	`Capn_Fish`	`And that's when I'm sleeping :)`
`04:19.55`	`Menaie`	`wedding prep had priority over zaurus`
`04:20.05`	`Capn_Fish`	`Good to have priorities`
`04:20.32`	`antikx`	`ya. good for you.`
`04:21.06`	`totall_6_7`	`hmmmmm wedding vs zaurus/computers that is a tough one. I dont think i could have chosen. You are a better man than i Menaie :))`
`04:21.18`	`Capn_Fish`	`Same here.`
`04:21.49`	`Menaie`	`the zaurus is just a toy`
`04:22.15`	`Capn_Fish`	`It's not a work machine at all?`
`04:22.26`	`Menaie`	`i work on big machines`
`04:22.28`	`ds2`	`the Z is a limb like the Borg`
`04:22.51`	`Tomoe`	`I also have a limb like the borg`
`04:22.53`	`antikx`	`it ws my everything computer for a while, but then I reflashed and haven't set everything back up, so it's a toy again. :(`
`04:22.54`	`totall_6_7`	`exactly ds2 :D`
`04:23.06`	`Capn_Fish`	`I suppose you could classify the Z as a toy`
`04:23.14`	`Capn_Fish`	`antikx: That's the way it goes...`
`04:23.24`	`ds2`	`btw, what is the closest to stock ROM that has a recent 2.6 kernel?`
`04:23.33`	`Capn_Fish`	`I put all data and backups of files I changed on external media, so I can restore quickly`
`04:23.40`	`ds2`	`want to mess with SDIO and 2.4 is more work then I want`
`04:23.43`	`Menaie`	`angstrom opie`
`04:24.58`	`Capn_Fish`	`2.6.23.x`
`04:25.20`	`Menaie`	`2.6.24-x`
`04:25.32`	`Capn_Fish`	`I must be out of date, then`
`04:25.37`	`ds2`	`whoa... that is recent`
`04:25.41`	`Capn_Fish`	`I agree`
`04:25.54`	`Menaie`	`oh wait, maybe not`
`04:25.59`	`Menaie`	`i am using the dev tree`
`04:26.05`	`Capn_Fish`	`I'm usingstable`
`04:26.09`	`Capn_Fish`	`*using stable`
`04:26.26`	`Capn_Fish`	`Menaie: You're using Angstrom?`
`04:26.28`	`ds2`	`is there some common brand of SDIO WiFi that is based on either Marvell or Athereos (think those are the only 2 w/Linux drivers)`
`04:27.01`	`Menaie`	`well, maybe not using, more like evaluating for the purpose of borrowing stuff :)`
`04:27.14`	`Capn_Fish`	`Ah.`
`04:27.31`	`Capn_Fish`	`So you're hopeful pdaX will make a comeback?`
`04:27.39`	`Capn_Fish`	`I'm still slightly worried`
`04:27.46`	`Menaie`	`one way or the other`
`04:28.03`	`Capn_Fish`	`Said ways being....?`
`04:28.08`	`Capn_Fish`	`Angstrom branches?`
`04:28.12`	`Capn_Fish`	`Or what?`
`04:28.16`	`ds2`	`btw, anyone tried the N810 and compared it to the C3[12]00?`
`04:28.27`	`Menaie`	`i am more thinking of debian branch`
`04:28.31`	`Capn_Fish`	`I hear it's OS isn't too flexible`
`04:28.39`	`Capn_Fish`	`the N810, I mean`
`04:28.49`	`antikx`	`did you guys see the Zaurus/Android post on Akihabara?`
`04:28.49`	`Capn_Fish`	`Lousy keyboard, as well (relatively)`
`04:28.54`	`Capn_Fish`	`No`
`04:28.59`	`ds2`	`Hmmmm`
`04:29.05`	`Capn_Fish`	`Menaie: Debian is frightfully slow on the Z`
`04:29.12`	`ds2`	`Capn_Fish: anyone done a page with a comparism?`
`04:29.27`	`Capn_Fish`	`Check OESF. I think somebody did a writeup there`
`04:29.44`	`ds2`	`<-- working with OMAPs in the day; want an objective comparism`
`04:29.47`	`ds2`	`okie`
`04:29.48`	`antikx`	`I think we are spoiled by the Z keyboard`
`04:29.59`	`Capn_Fish`	`Definitely.`
`04:30.05`	`Menaie`	`someone should post some more screenshots of android, i am too lazy to try it myself`
`04:30.23`	`Capn_Fish`	`I agree`
`04:30.27`	`ds2`	`I am not too thrilled with the Z keyboard layout. some keys are just in the wrong place`
`04:30.51`	`Menaie`	`i think the z keyboard is great compared to everything else i have seen so far`
`04:30.54`	`Capn_Fish`	`I would like extra Fn, ctrl, and alt keys,`
`04:31.00`	`Capn_Fish`	`But otherwise great`
`04:31.09`	`Capn_Fish`	`Maybe f1-fx keys as well`
`04:31.29`	`Capn_Fish`	`I need to go`
`04:31.39`	`Capn_Fish`	`Leaving this on as well for reading later, though`
`04:31.44`	`Capn_Fish`	`catch you later`
`04:31.45`	`antikx`	`see ya capn_fish`
`04:31.54`	`Capn_Fish`	`bye`
`04:32.16`	`Capn_Fish`	`(plus I can' turn off my PC while Epiphany is compiling :))`
`04:32.33`	`ds2`	`the symbols and the shift-numeric keys are just wrong compared to a stock qwerty kb`
`04:32.53`	`Menaie`	`well, its correct for a japanese keyboard`
`04:33.14`	`Menaie`	`if there was a US version of the zaurus, then the keyboard would had been correct for you`
`04:33.23`	`ds2`	`ohhh so it is not random`
`04:34.08`	`antikx`	`interestingly enough the symbils are in similar places on my tandy coco keyboard`
`04:34.24`	`ds2`	`glad I asked`
`04:34.25`	`antikx`	`wonder if theres a connection`
`04:37.29`	`Tomoe`	`well, there are US versions of some zaurii so we should be able to draw some conclusions from their layout`
`04:37.34`	`ds2`	`are there newer stuff for the SiS USB-VGA thing then the stuff for 2.4?`
`04:38.20`	`antikx`	`meanaie... did you see these? akihabaranews.com/en/news_details.php?id=15328`
`04:43.57`	`ds2`	`unless I haven't gotten to it yet, no one seem to be pointing out one little detail the Z has over the N8x0/770`
`04:44.08`	`ds2`	`USB OTG works on the Z`
`04:45.01`	`ds2`	`does no one care about OTG?`
`04:45.15`	`Tomoe`	`GEORGE BUSH DOES NOT CARE ABOUT USB OTG`
`04:45.47`	`antikx`	`I find I don't use it too much anymore`
`04:46.00`	`ds2`	`the Z or USB OTG?`
`04:46.10`	`Tomoe`	`his reproductive organ`
`04:46.27`	`Tomoe`	`well, other than portable drives, what would you use it for?`
`04:46.38`	`Menaie`	`OTG is cool and it is just now hitting mainstream`
`04:46.46`	`Menaie`	`sharp was too advanced for their own good`
`04:46.51`	`ds2`	`heh`
`04:47.24`	`ds2`	`OTG does not work on the Nokias; you can do either host or device but autodetect is not working well`
`04:47.43`	`antikx`	`I used to use a usb kbd, mouse and hard drive quite a bit`
`04:47.59`	`Tomoe`	`I still do, just not on z`
`04:48.01`	`Tomoe`	`=P`
`04:48.06`	`Menaie`	`i mainly use it for usb ethernet or usb hdd`
`04:48.45`	`Menaie`	`sorry, i just had someone call me from china...`
`04:48.47`	`ds2`	`but sounds like you don't need OTG for that`
`04:49.02`	`Tomoe`	`Menaie: I'm sorry too`
`04:49.10`	`Menaie`	`seen the akihabara site`
`04:49.29`	`Tomoe`	`ds2: yeah, I mean what use would otg be on a z?`
`04:49.58`	`ds2`	`Tomoe: sync + other device stuff`
`04:50.02`	`Menaie`	`sorry, but you do need OTG for that`
`04:52.44`	`Menaie`	`.`
`04:53.41`	`antikx`	`gonna go do some work then head to bed.`
`04:53.42`	`antikx`	`nite`
`04:56.13`	`Menaie`	`nite`
`05:27.46`	`Menaie`	`time to go home`
`05:27.48`	`Menaie`	`bye`
`05:45.54`	`Blue89`	`aww... while I was out, I missed the guy who made my Z this awesome for me. :-(`
`06:00.28`	`totall_6_7`	`Well i am sure impressed with what he put together!`
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`15:26.30`	`Tomoe`	`Blue89: you suck`
`15:26.31`	`Tomoe`	`=P`
`15:54.17`	`Blue89`	`?`
`16:09.24`	`Tomoe`	`Blue89: just kiddin' =)`
`16:12.33`	`Tomoe`	`lol`
`16:12.37`	`Tomoe`	`=D`
`16:12.42`	`Blue89`	`I was thinking about downloading the gentooforzaurus distro, but it's no longer hosted`
`16:13.24`	`Blue89`	`armv5te-zaurus-linux-gnu is hard float, right?`
`16:48.08`	`totall_6_7`	`i dont know any Zaurii that will float....well i guess you could put it in a small boat, Then it would float!!!!`
`16:57.44`	`totall_6_7`	`sorry Blue89 i make jokes when i really do not understand. I shouldnt do it when someone is really looking for answers but my fingers get away from me`
`16:58.49`	`Blue89`	`lol`
`17:00.15`	`Blue89`	`the Z can only do integer math (no decimals) without software help. I am asking if the toolchain will try to use hardware float first if I use that CHOST. (slower)`
`17:00.48`	`totall_6_7`	`ahhhh`
`17:01.44`	`totall_6_7`	`Well have fun. I am off to work :S`
`17:01.55`	`totall_6_7`	`see ya in about 8 hours`
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`19:39.29`	`Scottlfa`	`ello`
`19:46.06`	`Tomoe`	`SUP HY`
`19:46.13`	`Scottlfa`	`nod`
`19:57.31`	`Tomoe`	`dem nodz b wai outa wai nigga`
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`22:58.24`	`nox-`	`moin`
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`23:34.50`	`scottlfa-Z`	`ello`

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