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| 00:25.08 | bgold | depending on what the guy from direct from japan says, i think i am :| |
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| 01:04.23 | bgold | can you run wine on zaurus? |
| 01:04.46 | Blue89 | I never tried |
| 01:05.06 | Blue89 | if wine works on powerpc, I think it will work on the zaurus |
| 01:05.13 | Blue89 | I have never tried on either |
| 01:05.38 | nox- | wine by itself only works on i386 |
| 01:06.39 | nox- | there once was efforts to run it together with qemu but i have no idea if that even still works on any arch... |
| 01:06.53 | bgold | yeh, wine doesn't work on ppc |
| 01:07.01 | bgold | alright |
| 01:07.36 | bgold | i wish there were more american products like the zaurus |
| 01:07.56 | Blue89 | yeah |
| 01:07.57 | bgold | so i wouldn't be so cautious buying them overseas |
| 01:08.22 | Blue89 | the iPAQs run a close second in my opinion |
| 01:08.28 | Blue89 | but I like my zaurus |
| 01:08.48 | bgold | main reason i bought the zaurus was for pidgin, webbrowsing, emulators ect .. but that didn't work out to well because arm doesn't support the major browsing like flash ect. |
| 01:09.00 | bgold | never heard of a ipaw |
| 01:09.02 | bgold | ipa |
| 01:09.06 | bgold | ipaq*** |
| 01:09.17 | Blue89 | and besides that, the zaurus lacks a GPU |
| 01:09.27 | bgold | GPU? |
| 01:09.29 | Blue89 | that makes games pretty slow |
| 01:09.36 | Blue89 | Graphics Processing Unit |
| 01:09.49 | Blue89 | as far as I know, it lacks ANY 2d or 3d acceleration |
| 01:09.56 | bgold | if the zaurus was build over a i386 architecture..that would be nice |
| 01:10.10 | Blue89 | it has a hardware double scale function, that's it |
| 01:10.16 | bgold | that means it would support adobe, and pretty much everything given the functional processor |
| 01:10.31 | Blue89 | bgold, if you are desperate, you can try qemu |
| 01:10.53 | Blue89 | I heard it has a user mode for running *nix apps on odd processors |
| 01:10.59 | nox- | and i386 z would also eat more power tho |
| 01:11.30 | bgold | i tryed qemu on my old macbook and it couldn't run windows for its life, so the Z would be out of question..mostly the reason i am not trying to get a new Z is because it lacks flash :| |
| 01:11.53 | nox- | s/and/an/ |
| 01:12.06 | nox- | :) |
| 01:12.07 | bgold | yeh, it would |
| 01:12.12 | Blue89 | bgold, most mobiles lack flash |
| 01:12.18 | bgold | yup |
| 01:12.19 | bgold | i know |
| 01:12.35 | bgold | if only the eeepc was the size of the zaurus :P |
| 01:13.11 | Blue89 | why is flash so important to you? |
| 01:13.18 | nox- | the qemu userland emu still has problems like with nptl... |
| 01:14.12 | bgold | well my computer is upstairs in a little room, the main function that i want tuse my zaurus as is just browsing the internet, game emulators, pidgin, ect. away from this little room that my computer is in |
| 01:14.38 | bgold | and the zaurus is pocket, i would bring it EVERYwhere .. but i mean .. flash is a main part of where i browse on the internet :| |
| 01:14.50 | nox- | its system emu should be able to run at least some versions of windows on non-i386, altho ofc slower |
| 01:14.56 | Blue89 | I rarely encounter a site that needs flash |
| 01:15.00 | bgold | so as you can see, my little problem i had with my wifi cards has rendered my Z for me atleast USELESS |
| 01:15.32 | bgold | nox- yeh true but how slow is to slow? zaurus is still on its slow side PLUS emulation? oh god |
| 01:16.08 | nox- | well too slow to be usable i guess, also since the z only has 64mb... |
| 01:16.17 | bgold | Blue89, i usually browse sites like break, youtube, ect. also i would go to places that have flash related games |
| 01:17.21 | bgold | Blue89, i could of gotten used to the fact that my Z couldn't do flash but since i have to send it back to japan anyways i would go ahead and get another oneif there werent things waying me down |
| 01:17.33 | Blue89 | I like the Z, but lack of wifi or hardware gfx are the only things I would change given the opportunity |
| 01:17.45 | Blue89 | isn't there one Z model that has hardware gfx? |
| 01:17.58 | Blue89 | c700 or something? |
| 01:18.07 | bgold | what do you mean by hardware gfx? |
| 01:18.19 | bgold | its still arm isn't it? adobe doesn't support arm |
| 01:18.39 | Blue89 | I mean, a second processor to offload graphics operations onto |
| 01:18.47 | bgold | oh |
| 01:18.48 | Blue89 | blitting, rendering, etc. |
| 01:18.56 | bgold | place i bought my Z doesn't have the 700 |
| 01:19.01 | Blue89 | rotozoom, etc. |
| 01:19.19 | nox- | the 700 is old anyway |
| 01:19.25 | Blue89 | yeah |
| 01:19.32 | bgold | everything is to good to be true |
| 01:19.40 | evilJazz | Having 3D acceleration and a decent mobile GPU in the Zaurus would be awesome... |
| 01:19.45 | bgold | correction, nothing is ever to good to be true |
| 01:20.19 | bgold | when I saw the Z i was like HOLY !@#$, and pretty much got it instantly. Then things just started goin down hill for me. I think I have had the most problems than anyone lol |
| 01:20.30 | evilJazz | that way I wouldn't have to jump trough loops to get the cover flow stuff working full speed in Quasar ;) |
| 01:20.49 | Blue89 | why can't I get my Z to full 624mhz without dying? |
| 01:21.02 | Blue89 | bgold, btw, have you tried running doom on the Z? |
| 01:21.19 | evilJazz | http://tinyurl.com/3dtglr |
| 01:21.32 | evilJazz | http://tinyurl.com/38hk6n |
| 01:21.40 | Blue89 | doom at 320x240 (with hardware doubling to cover the screen) runs very well |
| 01:21.55 | bgold | Blue89, my main priority was to get internet working on my Z, which i failed at after buying 3 cards. I refuse to open my Z up anymore fearing that i might throw it to the floor as hard as I can out of pure frustration |
| 01:23.33 | evilJazz | Blue89, what overclocking setting do you use? |
| 01:23.56 | Blue89 | I leave it on 416mhz, because it dies every time I set it to 624 |
| 01:24.39 | evilJazz | my Z was crashing with the default setting in Cacko. I don't remember what it was. I changed it to 624/312/78 and this setting is working |
| 01:25.45 | scottlfa | :) |
| 01:26.04 | evilJazz | This is also what pdaXrom is using I think |
| 01:26.54 | evilJazz | /proc/zaurus/CCCR = 0x02000218 and /proc/zaurus/VCORE = 0x1E |
| 01:28.22 | Blue89 | oh, so you have to set more than one setting, fsb and whatnot... no wonder |
| 01:28.26 | scottlfa | I though older Z's had the Ati with accel and the newer ones have the SGI |
| 01:32.40 | evilJazz | I think the newer models use the integrated graphics stuff in the PXA27x CPUs. AFAIK it's not a separate chip like the ATI Imageon in the 7x0 and 8x0 models. |
| 01:33.27 | scottlfa | indeed |
| 01:33.33 | nox- | gn8 |
| 01:33.44 | scottlfa | gn8 |
| 01:33.48 | evilJazz | Actually when I moved from my C750 to the C3200 I thought the graphics performance was worse on the new model than on the C750 |
| 01:33.50 | evilJazz | good night |
| 01:33.55 | scottlfa | Wan't impressed with the ATI in the HX4705 |
| 01:34.40 | evilJazz | the video overlay stuff definitely is better in the PXA/BVDD but that's about it |
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| 01:36.28 | evilJazz | Blue89, what ROM do you use? |
| 02:42.02 | Blue89 | evilJazz, I use pdaxii13 |
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| 02:56.27 | evilJazz | you could try this in a terminal: sync ; echo 2000218 > /home/zaurus/CCCR ; echo 0e > /proc/zaurus/VCORE |
| 03:01.26 | evilJazz | Tetsu's website has more info on the overclocking options: http://preview.tinyurl.com/ypj42a |
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| 06:31.29 | Blue89 | LOL |
| 06:32.01 | Blue89 | for no apparent reason, things were segfaulting on my zaurus |
| 06:32.16 | Blue89 | but I decided to try overclocking anyway |
| 06:33.27 | Blue89 | bzflag ate part of my filesystem and now all the wms are dying: I think the X libraries got eaten |
| 07:20.38 | Blue89 | is there anything special in the sharp kernel I can't get in a normal 2.6 kernel? I was thinking about building my own so I would have an asix driver |
| 07:24.33 | Blue89 | somebody knock some sense into me, I am seriously considering a normal gentoo install on the microdrive |
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| 18:50.11 | punkass | Blue89: im considering building my own stock kernel too |
| 18:50.57 | punkass | there is no sharp 2.6 kernel afaik though, so you are probably using one maintained by OE or angstrom |
| 18:57.14 | Blue89 | punkass, is there any reason why I can't just compile the gentoo-sources or vanilla-sources unmodified? |
| 18:58.26 | punkass | just depends on what has made it to the mainline kernel |
| 18:58.46 | punkass | patches might be applied to your kernel that havent been accepted by linus yet |
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