| 00:01.46 | nox- | hope you didnt blow a fuse... |
| 00:07.03 | Kaley | okay i am in the diagnostic menu |
| 00:07.10 | Kaley | hub test "ng" |
| 00:07.37 | Kaley | ooo the mouse turned red |
| 00:07.53 | Kaley | meaning there's life in there |
| 00:08.15 | Kaley | i would have though "NG" = no good? |
| 00:10.16 | evilJazz | I'm getting OK, ... NG, HUB TEST ... NG, ... OK !!, ... OK !!, MOUSE TEST ... OK !! |
| 00:10.24 | evilJazz | some lines in between are missing |
| 00:10.47 | evilJazz | hub test is probably bad because I don't have a hub here to test with |
| 00:12.27 | Kaley | so what does this tell me? |
| 00:12.36 | evilJazz | k, the hub in my keyboard is recognized. Everything is blue now |
| 00:12.47 | Kaley | mine turned red |
| 00:13.03 | evilJazz | hrmm |
| 00:13.04 | Kaley | the text turned red, but the mouse's light went on |
| 00:13.14 | Kaley | it doesn't when the OS is booted up |
| 00:13.38 | Kaley | try installing cacko? |
| 00:15.43 | evilJazz | yeah |
| 00:16.02 | Kaley | this time it got the mouse but not the hug |
| 00:16.04 | Kaley | hub* |
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| 00:16.21 | evilJazz | perhaps the host cable is broken? |
| 00:16.26 | evilJazz | can happen |
| 00:16.48 | Kaley | but it is detecting the mouse through the broken host cable? |
| 00:17.09 | nox- | is only the mouse connected now? |
| 00:17.21 | Kaley | i can't get only mouse |
| 00:17.24 | Kaley | it needs the host |
| 00:17.35 | nox- | yeah via host cable |
| 00:17.41 | Kaley | yeah |
| 00:18.02 | Kaley | i tried a different host cable, same results, NG on host, OK on host+mouse |
| 00:18.13 | Kaley | but this is different than the last time around so maybe after i reboot it will work |
| 00:18.23 | nox- | hmm |
| 00:18.38 | nox- | low battery maybe? |
| 00:18.43 | Kaley | it wasn't low |
| 00:18.53 | nox- | hmm |
| 00:19.17 | evilJazz | okay, did you try a USB hub on the host cable ? |
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| 00:19.32 | Kaley | i can do that if you think that's what it wants |
| 00:19.35 | evilJazz | I had to do so to get it to OK |
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| 00:20.36 | Kaley | heh, hub worked, mouse not |
| 00:21.07 | nox- | does the hub have its own power? |
| 00:21.16 | Kaley | it told me to disconnect the hub so i did |
| 00:21.54 | Kaley | there we go, both of them gave me an okay |
| 00:22.09 | evilJazz | okay, great |
| 00:22.14 | nox- | ah :) |
| 00:22.27 | Kaley | now to cross my fingers and all my toes and all my hair |
| 00:23.10 | Kaley | work work work work work |
| 00:24.31 | evilJazz | :) |
| 00:24.40 | Kaley | no success in the OS |
| 00:24.51 | Kaley | time for cacko :P |
| 00:25.06 | evilJazz | hrmm, okay |
| 00:25.07 | Kaley | does your program work on SL-5500, evilJazz? |
| 00:25.15 | evilJazz | nope |
| 00:25.19 | evilJazz | not yet |
| 00:25.37 | Kaley | hmm, well i guess i'll install that and check for a working state first before i load cacko |
| 00:25.49 | evilJazz | no no, don't worry |
| 00:25.58 | evilJazz | just go ahead with your Cacko installation |
| 00:26.03 | evilJazz | it's more important! |
| 00:26.27 | Kaley | i can't use my Z if the mouse support is broken :P GIMP freezes the system if i try to fn+tap the right click |
| 00:26.31 | nox- | speaking about cacko, is there a flash image somewhere that i could use to test it in qemu? |
| 00:27.21 | evilJazz | is there Zaurus platform emulation in qemu? I don't think so |
| 00:27.27 | nox- | there is |
| 00:27.31 | nox- | in qemu cvs |
| 00:27.47 | evilJazz | really? hrmm..... |
| 00:27.52 | evilJazz | gotta check that out |
| 00:27.56 | nox- | :) |
| 00:28.28 | nox- | quoting myself: oh, anyone here played with qemu-system-arm zaurus emu? i still need to find out whats going on with the SIGKILLs: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2007-08/msg00028.html |
| 00:29.09 | nox- | poky mostly works, sharp rom less so |
| 00:29.21 | nox- | (gui startup gets a SIGKILL) |
| 00:31.12 | evilJazz | okay, perhaps it's the cached framebuffer support that's being used in the default kernel? I had tons of problems with that when trying to get the FBVncServer working |
| 00:31.37 | evilJazz | They are doing some really weird stuff in the kernel. Obviously it helps gfx performance. |
| 00:31.57 | nox- | hmm that could cause SIGKILLs? |
| 00:32.15 | evilJazz | well, it killed Qtopia once I connected to the VNC server |
| 00:32.25 | evilJazz | Qtopia and all sort of other applications |
| 00:32.52 | evilJazz | memory corruption perhaps |
| 00:32.58 | evilJazz | I haven't look into it in detail |
| 00:33.05 | nox- | hmm which kernel option is this frame buffer caching? |
| 00:33.14 | evilJazz | just a sec |
| 00:34.05 | evilJazz | CONFIG_SHARPSL_PXA_CONSISTENT_ALLOC |
| 00:34.10 | nox- | thx :) |
| 00:34.41 | evilJazz | http://www.katastrophos.net/zaurus/kernels/v55/SL-C3200-terrier/sharprom-kernel-nwfpe-uncachedfb/ |
| 00:34.52 | evilJazz | that's a compiled kernel with the option disabled |
| 00:35.20 | evilJazz | it's working with fbvncserver |
| 00:36.53 | nox- | hmm hangs in qemu |
| 00:36.57 | nox- | that kernel |
| 00:37.38 | nox- | at least `info jit' shows nothing happening |
| 00:38.21 | nox- | guess i'll see if i can rebuild my kernel with that option toggled... |
| 00:38.36 | evilJazz | ok |
| 00:38.55 | evilJazz | I had to comment it in .config, it's enabled by default |
| 00:39.08 | evilJazz | also, it's called differently in menuconfig |
| 00:39.17 | nox- | (just redid the linux install on the other box...) |
| 00:39.21 | evilJazz | Cached Frame Buffer if I remember correctly |
| 00:39.24 | nox- | ill just edit the .config |
| 00:39.27 | evilJazz | ok |
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| 00:42.28 | evilJazz | does qemu emulate pxafb ? |
| 00:43.18 | nox- | well i do see the screen if its that... :) |
| 00:43.23 | evilJazz | okay |
| 00:44.29 | nox- | you might want to read the full thread: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2007-07/msg00307.html |
| 00:44.53 | evilJazz | yeah, hehe, I was just looking for the main post, thanks |
| 00:44.58 | evilJazz | this is interesting |
| 00:45.12 | Kaley | okay, cacko's on there and booting for the first time, next step is update to kernel, right? |
| 00:45.21 | Kaley | or do i not need to? |
| 00:45.25 | evilJazz | try without first |
| 00:45.29 | Kaley | 'kay |
| 00:45.39 | nox- | cacko just replaces the userland? |
| 00:45.53 | evilJazz | well, it's also a patched kernel |
| 00:45.56 | nox- | ah |
| 00:46.07 | evilJazz | heavily patched compared to the original Sharp kernel mess |
| 00:46.13 | nox- | i c |
| 00:46.51 | evilJazz | you can check my SVN to see what has been patched in |
| 00:46.55 | Kaley | sharp didn't do so well |
| 00:47.12 | nox- | oh so you are the cacko maintainer now? |
| 00:47.13 | Kaley | but they were brilliant to make the zaurus in the first place |
| 00:48.12 | evilJazz | no, I'm not the cacko maintainer. It's just I took his kernel sourcecode and reverse-engineered the changes compared to the original kernel. I also merged the changes coming from pdaXrom. |
| 00:48.24 | nox- | aah |
| 00:48.30 | evilJazz | The Cacko maintainer released only a big tarball with no patches |
| 00:48.40 | nox- | oh |
| 00:48.41 | evilJazz | it's pretty hard to see what was actually changed |
| 00:48.50 | nox- | i can imagine... |
| 00:49.10 | evilJazz | and diffing against the original code, well, is worthless |
| 00:49.32 | nox- | can get messy yeah :) |
| 00:49.41 | evilJazz | Trac is here: http://trac.katastrophos.net/zaurus-kernel-2.4.20 |
| 00:50.14 | evilJazz | SVN is here: https://svn.katastrophos.net/zaurus-kernel-2.4.20/trunk |
| 00:50.40 | evilJazz | the changelog has the complete history starting from the original Sharp kernel sourcecode |
| 00:51.03 | nox- | nice |
| 00:52.55 | nox- | keyboard patch just got committed a few days ago btw so if your on linux you can probably use qemu cvs as it is now |
| 00:53.20 | nox- | keyboard patch and that write only register thingy... |
| 00:54.24 | evilJazz | I'll check it out tomorrow. Got Debian running in VMware. It probably won't work on OS X right now, will it? |
| 00:54.36 | nox- | no idea |
| 00:55.07 | Kaley | cacko doesn't support big sd cards by default? |
| 00:55.14 | evilJazz | yeah |
| 00:55.25 | evilJazz | you'll have to install this driver |
| 00:55.29 | evilJazz | just a sec |
| 00:55.30 | Kaley | dangit |
| 00:55.44 | nox- | i have a 2g sdcard working with sharp |
| 00:56.01 | evilJazz | here you go: http://katastrophos.net/andre/blog/2006/07/23/c3200-tweak-3-2-gb-sd-cards-in-cacko/ |
| 00:56.44 | nox- | (even had to flash cardreader firmware because of it... :) |
| 00:57.11 | Kaley | my 2g worked out of the box on sharp, iw as happy |
| 00:57.33 | nox- | yeah the z had no problems with it |
| 00:57.48 | Kaley | but i can't install input helper for the mouse if it's on the 2g sd and cacko doesn't have the support for it :P |
| 00:57.59 | nox- | use the network? |
| 00:58.04 | evilJazz | you don't need to install it |
| 00:58.05 | Kaley | no network yet :P |
| 00:58.08 | evilJazz | it's already installed |
| 00:58.12 | Kaley | oooo happy days |
| 00:58.14 | nox- | not even usb network? |
| 00:58.53 | Kaley | OMG YAY MOUSE WORKS AGAIN |
| 00:59.00 | nox- | :) |
| 00:59.01 | evilJazz | awesome |
| 00:59.11 | Kaley | i probably screwed up the sharp rom somehow |
| 00:59.28 | nox- | heh |
| 00:59.38 | Kaley | thanks, evilJazz :D |
| 01:00.47 | Kaley | now to make sure i put the sd driver on the cf card and not hte sd card that doesn't work ... |
| 01:00.58 | evilJazz | oh, I didn't do anything! :) |
| 01:01.10 | Kaley | nox .. the zaurus has never yet been connected to anything but devices and removable media |
| 01:01.14 | Kaley | hopefully it'll be on wifi network soon |
| 01:02.01 | nox- | so you have a wifi card? |
| 01:02.04 | Kaley | it's nice to find helpful people ... i use solaris 10 at work and i've had redhat installed before, but i'm not a sysadmin by trade so it's difficult for me to come up with all the knowledge it seems everyone else was just born with |
| 01:02.06 | Kaley | yeah |
| 01:02.18 | Kaley | two actually, a sandisk connect plus and a socket low power |
| 01:03.42 | nox- | well i just use the usb cable that came with it, its device cdce on freebsd... |
| 01:08.03 | Kaley | yeah, i don't have much interest in using the zaurus to connect to the internet through a big and much more easy to use computer that's already on the internet :P |
| 01:08.06 | evilJazz | does it work stable? I had all sorts of trouble doing bulk data transfers using the USB cable. The connection would suddenly drop. |
| 01:09.22 | evilJazz | I'm using a low-profile Buffalo Ethernet CF-card for bulk transfers. |
| 01:12.49 | Kaley | and my Z finally makes it onto the internet |
| 01:13.00 | evilJazz | via Wifi? |
| 01:13.05 | Kaley | yes indeedy |
| 01:13.13 | evilJazz | hehe, nice |
| 01:13.47 | Kaley | the socket low power card worked perfectly |
| 01:13.52 | Kaley | so far, i haven't fired up opera to make sure the whole pppoe whatever dealie is working, i'm on a DSL wifi connection and it's secured |
| 01:13.53 | nox- | well i have dropped connections when scp'ing larger files from _from_ the z, but im not doing that too often and unplugging/replugging usb gets it going again for a bit... |
| 01:15.19 | Kaley | my local network page shows the Zaurus, though, finally |
| 01:16.36 | nox- | reconfigured kernel booting... |
| 01:17.47 | Kaley | damnit, wouldn't you know ... i visit my email for the first time ever on the Zaurus and i have new spam that asks me if i want a booty call |
| 01:18.04 | evilJazz | hehehe |
| 01:18.08 | Kaley | oh the irony |
| 01:18.35 | nox- | hmm still sigkill |
| 01:19.02 | Kaley | speaking of bootycall, i suppose i can get on facebook using wifi during my lunch hour and bomb my sister's pirate ship and steal all her booty |
| 01:21.10 | evilJazz | yeah, if Opera or Netfront can open Facebook |
| 01:21.28 | evilJazz | never tried it and I'm kind of glad I don't have an account at Facebook, hehe |
| 01:21.44 | Kaley | evilJazz ... are there other things i don't need to install? on sharprom i installed the keymap for usb keyboard, joyenabler for joystick, keyhelper (obviously will need that), ntfs modules for my external usbhdd, plasterer, automounter, and sudo? |
| 01:21.57 | Kaley | i only got it so i could bomb my sister |
| 01:22.36 | evilJazz | sudo, keyhelper, midnight commander, openssh, ntfs module are installed |
| 01:22.55 | evilJazz | as for joyenabled and that keymap thingie, no idea |
| 01:23.01 | Kaley | okay |
| 01:23.03 | Kaley | thanks |
| 01:23.09 | evilJazz | but the USB keyboard works |
| 01:23.28 | evilJazz | what is plasterer? |
| 01:23.42 | Kaley | makes the backdrop images |
| 01:23.48 | evilJazz | as far as I know, automounter isn't required on Cacko |
| 01:23.51 | evilJazz | ok |
| 01:25.07 | Kaley | i'm going to training in detroit for work the first week of November, so it's great that i'll be able to check my email at the hotel if i can find one with wifi |
| 01:28.02 | Kaley | hmm, i'm gonna run off and start reinstalling stuff |
| 01:28.10 | Kaley | good call going to Cacko right away, evilJazz |
| 01:28.16 | evilJazz | hehe |
| 01:28.27 | evilJazz | yeah, I should really get some sleep |
| 01:28.37 | evilJazz | it's late here in germany |
| 01:29.08 | Kaley | i'm really looking forward to being able to check email and chat in the living room, where it's more comfortable |
| 01:29.42 | evilJazz | yep, Wifi means freedom |
| 01:29.46 | nox- | hmm where was the gui startup script again on sharp rom? |
| 01:29.47 | evilJazz | that's cool |
| 01:29.59 | evilJazz | /opt/QtPalmtop/runqpe.sh |
| 01:30.05 | evilJazz | AFAIK |
| 01:30.37 | nox- | /opt/QtPalmtop/qpe.sh thx |
| 01:30.41 | evilJazz | ok |
| 01:30.54 | evilJazz | alright, good night, see you tomorrow |
| 01:31.27 | nox- | bye |
| 01:31.31 | nox- | c u |
| 01:58.41 | nox- | gnite |
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| 13:01.16 | Kaley | sweeeeet I'm connecting using my zaurus |
| 13:01.57 | Kaley | tiny screen :p |
| 13:04.54 | evilJazz | hehe |
| 13:05.10 | evilJazz | what IRC client do you use? |
| 13:06.27 | Kaley | i'm using xchat in x/qt |
| 13:06.47 | Kaley | now i just have to get gaim working and i'm set |
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| 13:11.33 | Kaley | back on the pc ... something's wrong with the keyboard in x |
| 13:11.50 | Kaley | bbl |
| 13:51.54 | evilJazz | awesome, I just figured out, how I can remove the scratches on the chrome parts of my C3200 |
| 13:52.57 | evilJazz | P21S Aluminium Polish |
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| 14:24.27 | evilJazz | alright, scratches removed from the chrome parts. Looks almost new. |
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| 15:06.02 | nox- | moin |
| 16:24.11 | nox- | evilJazz, already playing with qemu? |
| 16:59.37 | evilJazz | well, it's compiling |
| 17:01.27 | nox- | btw there is some osx code in qemu, not sure tho if its all thats needed |
| 17:02.39 | evilJazz | yeah, I saw that too. There is also the Q project, which has some additional patches. I'm trying on Debian now. |
| 17:04.51 | nox- | ok |
| 17:04.53 | evilJazz | okay, so what else do I need besides qemu itself? |
| 17:05.09 | evilJazz | qemu-system-arm -M terrier ... ? |
| 17:05.52 | evilJazz | Is there a way to load a NAND file directly or do I have to create a dump of the mtd ? |
| 17:07.09 | nox- | this is how i started yesterday: qemu-system-arm -M terrier -kernel linux-nocachedfb/zImage -mtdblock qemu/c3200all.flash2b-ej -portrait -show-cursor -old-param -append "`cat cmdline.2 `" -serial stdio -serial vc -serial vc -serial vc -hda terrier.img -sd terrier-sd.img |
| 17:08.16 | nox- | i _think_ you can cat together dd dumps of /dev/mtdblock[123] and then run them thru the mentioned raw2flash |
| 17:08.36 | nox- | (mentioned in the thread) |
| 17:09.46 | nox- | oh cmdline.2 is: console=ttyS0 root=/dev/mtdblock2 mtdparts=sharpsl-nand:7168k@0k(smf),44032k@7168k(root),-(home) jffs2_orphaned_inodes=delete debug initcall_debug EQUIPMENT=5 LOGOLANG=1 DEFYEAR=2007 LOGO=0 LAUNCH=q 4 |
| 17:10.00 | nox- | (4 puts a shell on the serial console) |
| 17:10.43 | nox- | you might need to adjust the mtdparts args as mentioned too |
| 17:10.54 | nox- | oh and you need a microdrive image |
| 17:12.27 | nox- | -sd isnt necessary (it didnt really work with the sharp kernel anyway) |
| 17:13.28 | nox- | oh and i enabled CONFIG_SERIAL_CONSOLE in the kernel too |
| 17:15.08 | nox- | (initcall was for a patch that i added to the kernel while debugging) |
| 17:19.30 | nox- | raw2flash is needed because /dev/mtdblock and also `regular' dumps omit the ecc data etc |
| 17:20.03 | evilJazz | okay, I see |
| 17:20.57 | nox- | probably best to read the thread... :) |
| 17:28.37 | nox- | and as i said your kernel hangs so maybe start testing using a sharp kernel, possibly with CONFIG_SERIAL_CONSOLE |
| 17:29.06 | nox- | so you get to see it booting |
| 17:33.35 | evilJazz | alright, I don't think I'll get anything working today. Probably tomorrow. I need to finish some other stuff first. Thanks for the intro, I'll definitely check it out! |
| 17:35.28 | nox- | yeah no worries... |
| 17:37.03 | nox- | and btw its nice how you can gdb the running kernel using qemu's gdbserver... so you should(?) be able to find out at least where your kernel hangs |
| 17:39.59 | nox- | (i did that to find out at least one of my hangs, still havent got around tracing the sigkills that way...) |
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| 22:50.34 | nox- | gnite |
| 22:51.13 | Varthall | nite nox |
| 22:52.49 | nox- | gnite Varthall |