| 01:48.45 | nox- | gnite |
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| 07:01.15 | ty-guest | hi there |
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| 16:03.57 | Kaley | any life in here? |
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| 18:41.47 | nox- | moin |
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| 21:39.21 | evilJazz | Hey, anybody alive? I'm looking for some testers... |
| 21:39.27 | evilJazz | http://katastrophos.net/quasar |
| 21:42.01 | nox- | speaking of mplayer, is there a zaurus build that plays realaudio cook? |
| 21:42.46 | evilJazz | Ja, Moin! Keine Ahnung |
| 21:43.13 | nox- | alright :) |
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| 21:46.07 | evilJazz | I guess the FFmpeg version in the current mplayer build is too old for the codec. Did you try it? |
| 21:50.33 | nox- | seems i have 1.0pre7-3.4.2 |
| 21:50.38 | nox- | yeah and it didnt work |
| 21:51.05 | nox- | too old is also my guess |
| 21:52.54 | evilJazz | okay, same version here. I still wonder, how atty build mplayer. There seem to be no information available and last time I tried, I couldn't grab his patched mplayer version via SVN... |
| 21:53.15 | RoadsideRay | Allo everyone! |
| 21:53.21 | nox- | moin RoadsideRay |
| 21:54.02 | RoadsideRay | How are you Nox? |
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| 21:56.46 | nox- | alright :) |
| 21:56.47 | nox- | you? |
| 22:25.43 | Kaley | anyone allive now? |
| 22:26.01 | Kaley | would be just my luck that i go take a nap when people perk up |
| 22:28.21 | Kaley | hey evilJazz, i'm using your kernel in my terrier, thanks for your support to the community |
| 22:30.51 | evilJazz | hey |
| 22:30.57 | evilJazz | hehe, glad you like it |
| 22:31.25 | evilJazz | What do you use? SharpROM/Cacko or pdaXrom ? |
| 22:31.39 | Kaley | i haven't played too much with it yet because i need some help ... believe it or not :o |
| 22:31.56 | Kaley | i use SharpROM because ... well ... i have too many SL-5500 apps i still really like |
| 22:32.09 | Kaley | i don't want to lose them in favor of pdaxrom, although i'm tempted |
| 22:32.42 | Kaley | plus X/QT's support for right click with fn+tap seems broken ... i'd hope it's fixed in pdaxrom, but if not, i don't want to be limited to using the mouse all the time |
| 22:32.55 | evilJazz | okay, I see. Well, I'm still using Cacko, mostly because it just works the way I want it to and I hate fiddling with stuff in pdaXrom. |
| 22:33.21 | Kaley | i might need to switch to that |
| 22:33.31 | evilJazz | yeah, okay, so what help do you need? |
| 22:33.58 | Kaley | well two issues, one is wifi .. and probably the BIGGEST problem i have is i have about 0 experience with wifi |
| 22:34.34 | evilJazz | okay, never tried Wifi on the original Sharp ROM... |
| 22:34.37 | Kaley | i'm using your kernel so i should have the drivers needed for my socket low power, it recognizes it just fine, but when i try to connect it initializes then says "offline" |
| 22:34.53 | Kaley | so i should upgrade to cacko then? |
| 22:35.09 | evilJazz | hehe, good question. Yeah, I would do so |
| 22:35.19 | nox- | oh, anyone here played with qemu-system-arm zaurus emu? i still need to find out whats going on with the SIGKILLs: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2007-08/msg00028.html |
| 22:35.44 | evilJazz | It's probably the most polished sharp rom and Wifi-support is a lot better |
| 22:36.22 | nox- | what kernel are you guys talking about btw? |
| 22:36.24 | Kaley | the other problem is i got a frogpad keyboard and when i plug the frogpad into a pc, it works just fine, when i plug a regular keyboard into the zaurus, it works just fine, but when i plug the frogpad into the Z, all the keys are mixed up (f = suspend, g = esc key) ... is it just a matter of upgrading the hid driver? |
| 22:36.28 | evilJazz | I think the original SharpROM only offers WEP encryption. Cacko does WPA with a bit of manual hacking in the config |
| 22:36.35 | Kaley | one on evilJazz's website |
| 22:36.45 | nox- | url? |
| 22:36.47 | evilJazz | http://katastrophos.net/andre/blog/2007/08/09/enhanced-mixer-for-zaurus-sl-c1000c3x00-available/ |
| 22:36.58 | Kaley | i might have DOA wifi cards, but i have no way of even knowing that |
| 22:37.22 | Kaley | my socket card doesn't light up and it's clearly got LEDs on it |
| 22:39.02 | evilJazz | okay, what happens if you fire up the console and type "cardctl ident" ? |
| 22:40.08 | Kaley | with the wifi card? it shows the identity of it and i put it in the config page and the next time i plug the card in, the network thing shows up on the taskbar |
| 22:40.17 | Kaley | or do you mean the frogpad? |
| 22:40.42 | evilJazz | The problem with the original SharpROM is that they are using the wlan-ng drivers which are pretty limited. The modules from my kernels won't work fully out of the box, because the pcmcia stuff isn't configured for them. That's where Cacko shines. |
| 22:40.57 | evilJazz | wifi |
| 22:42.06 | evilJazz | okay, do you see any modules loaded for the card? I think the socket low power required special drivers... |
| 22:43.04 | Kaley | ah, well you've just fully convinced me to go Cacko |
| 22:43.22 | evilJazz | no idea about the frogpad. Though, I had a similar problem with my Apple keyboard. I had to restart the Zaurus and then it worked. |
| 22:43.36 | Kaley | i've restarted :P |
| 22:43.40 | evilJazz | k |
| 22:43.45 | Kaley | or should i restart with it in? |
| 22:44.08 | evilJazz | yeah, well, that's what I tried last time |
| 22:44.23 | Kaley | i'll do that |
| 22:44.50 | evilJazz | but I think it was pdaXrom, not Cacko. Should not make any difference though... |
| 22:45.11 | Kaley | i was trying to do keyhelper for it, i even made a t hread on it on oesf, but i can't get around the F=suspend and G=esc ... i'm wondering if that's one of those places keyhelper doesn't work |
| 22:46.09 | Kaley | cardctl doesn't say what modules it needs that i know of? i have loaded a socketspec driver (hermes, etc), kismet for socket, and wireless tools |
| 22:46.39 | Kaley | and everything else is your kernel plus the tarred modules that are in the same folder |
| 22:46.55 | Kaley | i had to manually copy all the files over, though |
| 22:47.40 | evilJazz | what does the output of lsmod look like? |
| 22:48.09 | Kaley | i have 8 things listed |
| 22:48.57 | Kaley | prism2_cs used by 0, p80211 used by prism2_cs, pxa_bi is unused, storage_fd is unused, usbdcore used by pxa_bi and storage_fd, then usbdmonitor, usb-monitor, sharp_mmcsd_m |
| 22:52.57 | evilJazz | okay, I'm not sure, but I think the prism2_cs is a wlan-ng driver |
| 22:54.59 | Kaley | and if i had cacko, it wouldn't use prism2_cs? |
| 22:55.30 | evilJazz | right |
| 22:55.38 | evilJazz | they've removed it completely |
| 22:56.16 | evilJazz | it's using HostAP and the other Wifi modules in the new kernel |
| 22:56.43 | evilJazz | the real problem is I can't give you any other advice on how to fix the issue |
| 22:56.56 | evilJazz | since the whole wifi subsystem is different in Cacko |
| 22:57.04 | Kaley | right |
| 22:57.31 | Kaley | well that's really good advice, actually, id idn't want to go to Cacko until i was sure that i'd be happier with it because of all the risk |
| 22:57.47 | evilJazz | so, if it's not too much work setting everything up again, try Cacko :) |
| 22:57.50 | Kaley | nothing that works in the standard sharprom breaks in cacko, does it? |
| 22:58.11 | Kaley | i keep everything pretty well re-installable on my sd card |
| 22:58.36 | Kaley | and ka/pi and ko/pi ... i just copy the entire directory to the sd card |
| 23:00.40 | evilJazz | well, no idea. The original SharpROM was on my C3200 for probably 5 minutes. I reflashed to Cacko the same day I got the device. I had used Cacko on my C750 before. That being said, I never had big problems with other packages or software. |
| 23:01.04 | Kaley | that's great |
| 23:01.23 | Kaley | i'm going to go look up the link that was on my thread right now |
| 23:02.05 | Kaley | why'd you decide to go to Cacko so quickly? |
| 23:02.06 | evilJazz | one thing though, I didn't actually try Cacko Lite |
| 23:02.26 | Kaley | i'm probably not ... uh ... knowledgable enough to try that |
| 23:02.29 | evilJazz | I only installed it to test my software on it. And it's really bare bone. I would go with the loaded Cacko setup instead. |
| 23:02.53 | evilJazz | That's what I have on my Zaurus. |
| 23:03.49 | Kaley | what made you decide to switch right away? |
| 23:04.15 | evilJazz | You mean avoiding the original SharpROM completely? |
| 23:04.18 | Kaley | i'd had a SL-5500 and never reflashed it with anything, i had been pretty happy with sharprom, but i never had tried to do anything experimental on it |
| 23:04.20 | Kaley | yeah |
| 23:04.40 | Kaley | you wouldn't reflash right away without a reason why you knew it wasn't going to be what you wantecx |
| 23:04.43 | Kaley | wanted* |
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| 23:05.09 | evilJazz | well, hardware support is better in Cacko + I really needed support for WPA encryption and it's built in in Cacko |
| 23:05.42 | Kaley | sounds like a good enough reason |
| 23:05.43 | evilJazz | it's also the software that is bundled |
| 23:06.34 | Kaley | urg, and it's also hard to find |
| 23:07.00 | Kaley | speculatrix's download on the site in his sig isn't helping so much and all the links i've ever found on it are 404 |
| 23:07.16 | evilJazz | I really hate Netfront and Cacko comes with Opera too. It also adds very nice taskbar applets featuring over and under-clocking ;) |
| 23:07.32 | evilJazz | hard to find? hmm... |
| 23:07.39 | Kaley | i'm too chicken to overclock |
| 23:07.47 | evilJazz | hehe |
| 23:07.53 | Kaley | i just want it to do the small subset of tasks i give it |
| 23:08.26 | evilJazz | I would say it's pretty safe and really helps in some situations |
| 23:08.43 | evilJazz | http://www.tyrannozaurus.com/?q=cacko |
| 23:09.10 | evilJazz | very good instructions imho |
| 23:09.30 | Kaley | i want to run gimp on x/qt, nethack, qpose for spacetrader on palm os, snes with joystick, nes with joystick (not working on sharp rom currently), calendar and pmi, and a couple other sl-5500 apps i can't do without, and of course java |
| 23:09.39 | Kaley | oh and wifi and keyboard are the new demands |
| 23:11.24 | Kaley | wow, that's awesome that this site has the japanese translated for us, most sites only say "pick the left button now" and i'm like "what if i wanted to know what the warning was???" |
| 23:11.54 | evilJazz | Space Trader, awesome! Last time I played the game was 2001 I think. Never tried qpose. How is the performance? |
| 23:11.56 | evilJazz | hehe |
| 23:11.57 | ds2 | is qpose more usable on a C-3200 then the SL5500? |
| 23:12.01 | evilJazz | yeah |
| 23:12.08 | evilJazz | probably |
| 23:12.15 | evilJazz | :) |
| 23:12.40 | Kaley | yeah definitely so, i never got it working properly on the sl5500 |
| 23:12.54 | Kaley | i got it to turn on a couple of times, but it was never really stable |
| 23:13.22 | Kaley | it still isn't on the 3200, that is ... ic an't open it from the desktop icon and have it work |
| 23:13.30 | Kaley | but if i type qpose from the console as root, it works |
| 23:14.10 | Kaley | as for performance, it's not very good, i only only only use it for spacetrader, and so since it remembers where i was when i last quit out, i don't have to wait for anything to load |
| 23:14.27 | ds2 | so graffiti on it is still pretty unusable then? |
| 23:14.43 | Kaley | yeah, but you can type with the keyboard :P |
| 23:15.00 | Kaley | why use graffiti if the keyboard works ;) |
| 23:15.22 | Kaley | there's about a half-second response time to screen clicks |
| 23:15.25 | ds2 | less switching from stylus |
| 23:15.37 | Kaley | true |
| 23:15.50 | ds2 | wonder if we can all petition access to productize their emulator from ALP |
| 23:15.50 | Kaley | if i can get my frogpad to work, the stylus will be in one hand and the keyboard in the other |
| 23:16.21 | Kaley | i just need a third hand to hold the zaurus and i'm set |
| 23:16.25 | evilJazz | hehe, I'm controlling my Zaurus via the keyboard most of the time - KeyHelper FTW! I hate the stylus. |
| 23:16.35 | Kaley | me too |
| 23:16.51 | Kaley | i hate how the spring in the clamshell doesn't let me have it part open |
| 23:17.10 | Kaley | it can be closed, it can be in pda mode, it can be flat out open, but it can't be open to an angle |
| 23:17.23 | Kaley | or else boioioioioing, it snaps flat open |
| 23:17.44 | evilJazz | true |
| 23:18.02 | ds2 | there is always putting in a bt card and using a bt keyboard |
| 23:18.04 | Kaley | is this the link i want to download to get cacko for c3200? http://www.tyrannozaurus.com/feed/cacko/install/SL-C3200-Qtopia-1.23-2125070506.zip |
| 23:18.13 | evilJazz | yir |
| 23:18.26 | Kaley | i heard from a cellphone user that bt is kind of power hungry |
| 23:18.39 | ds2 | not as hungry as WiFi |
| 23:18.50 | Kaley | and besides, if i'm having a hard time using a supposedly plug and play HID compliant keyboard, how'm i going to get a bt keyboard working? :P |
| 23:18.55 | Kaley | yeah but i'm not going ot use that often |
| 23:19.25 | ds2 | there are problems with USB keyboards? |
| 23:19.52 | Kaley | frogpad is a one-handed keyboard |
| 23:20.23 | Kaley | i bought a usb keyboard from walmart that's designed for a regular computer, in stylish black, and it works just fine except for a few little quirks that i can get keyhelper to solf |
| 23:20.26 | Kaley | solve* |
| 23:20.32 | Kaley | frogpad ... not so much |
| 23:20.51 | ds2 | oh, never tried non qwerty keyboards |
| 23:21.04 | evilJazz | it looks weird |
| 23:21.39 | evilJazz | how fast can you type with it? |
| 23:22.09 | Kaley | i have purposely not learned to use it yet because i want to see if i can get it working on the zaurus, and after that if i have to re-map a few keys to make them work then i don't have to unlearn them |
| 23:22.18 | Kaley | i've heard within a day of practice you can get up to 40 wpm |
| 23:22.53 | Kaley | the only typing i've done on it was verifying that it DID in fact work properly on windows |
| 23:23.29 | evilJazz | hmm, it's optimized for English. No German umlauts, too bad. Hehe |
| 23:24.17 | Kaley | i live in the US so pardon the cliched response that it doesn't matter to me :P |
| 23:24.28 | evilJazz | hehe |
| 23:24.39 | evilJazz | no problem |
| 23:24.40 | Kaley | but they seem very developer friendly on their homepage, i think they might want to do support for other places |
| 23:26.23 | evilJazz | Before you re-flash to Cacko, make a NAND backup of your current setup, just to be sure... |
| 23:26.44 | Kaley | i made a nand of the original sharprom without tinkering |
| 23:26.50 | evilJazz | oh, and perhaps you could try Quasar on the original SharpROM for me? :) |
| 23:26.51 | evilJazz | k |
| 23:26.55 | evilJazz | http://katastrophos.net/quasar |
| 23:27.01 | Kaley | what is it and what does it do? |
| 23:27.30 | Kaley | any way i can give back to the community is fine by me :D |
| 23:27.39 | evilJazz | It's a media player |
| 23:28.04 | Kaley | i plan on uploading my java apps soon, not much of a help to the community but it's all i've got |
| 23:28.09 | evilJazz | actually it's my personal i*Tunes rip off, MUHARHAR |
| 23:28.21 | Kaley | pretty graphics, nero inspired? |
| 23:28.41 | Kaley | i love itunes |
| 23:29.19 | Kaley | i have a video ipod so my need for a working media player on my zaurus is very slim, but if this is as nice as it could be, i might keep a few mp3s on my sd card |
| 23:30.44 | Kaley | the media player that comes with a zaurus is ... extremely pathetic |
| 23:31.59 | evilJazz | yeah, well it's probably quite useless if you're using an iPod and are happy with it. My requirements are a bit different here. I've got a PDA with a keyboard, so why not implement a music player that performs similarily to iTunes (fast search, library overview etc.)? That's what I'm using on my Mac. |
| 23:32.13 | evilJazz | yep |
| 23:32.42 | Kaley | if my zaurus had the battery life of my ipod, i would have no problems |
| 23:33.18 | Kaley | i use my ipod about 12 hours a day at work and during commute, it only takes the drive to work and drive home while plugged into the car to charge it fully for the day, and i don't need to recharge while i'm working |
| 23:33.22 | Kaley | no way a zaurus can top that |
| 23:33.29 | evilJazz | I'm getting 8-10 hours of audio playback with screen turned off. That's enough for me... |
| 23:33.36 | Kaley | unfortunately ... i hate carrying 2 devices |
| 23:33.43 | evilJazz | yeah |
| 23:34.41 | Kaley | i can charge the zaurus in the car, though :) i got a psp usb charger and sync cable and it works with the zaurus |
| 23:34.56 | evilJazz | anyway, I'm currently working on a AudioScrobbler / last.fm Addon for Quasar... |
| 23:35.22 | evilJazz | oh, do you hear any interferences in the audio output when charging the Zaurus in your car? |
| 23:35.41 | Kaley | that's odd, the frogpad isn't even recognized as plugged in after a zaurus reboot |
| 23:35.57 | Kaley | i'm not using zaurus for audio so i don't know |
| 23:36.08 | evilJazz | I got one of these quite expensive DC chargers and it's making weird noises once the motor runs. |
| 23:36.10 | evilJazz | okay |
| 23:36.25 | Kaley | i don't hear anything |
| 23:40.41 | Kaley | how do you get coverart to go over properly? |
| 23:40.51 | Kaley | i have it in my itunes library but i thought itunes itself handles that |
| 23:41.22 | evilJazz | yeah, I'm using some AppleScript to export the cover art images as PNG to a separate directory |
| 23:41.27 | evilJazz | probably 400 files or so |
| 23:41.48 | Kaley | i use windows and itunes, i don't want to have to copy all the files over the hard way :( |
| 23:41.54 | evilJazz | your simply copy these to the internal drive and point Quasar to look in that directory for the cover art |
| 23:43.01 | evilJazz | ok, I see. Well, if you have MP3s with cover art embedded, it will also display those images... |
| 23:43.02 | Kaley | uh oh, my usb host port isn't working now |
| 23:43.16 | Kaley | i odn't know if itunes embedds them or not |
| 23:43.39 | evilJazz | if you manually set a cover art for a given song, iTunes will embed the image file |
| 23:43.50 | Kaley | i'm going to cry if my z's host port is broken |
| 23:44.03 | Kaley | it downloaded the cover art, is that the same? |
| 23:44.33 | evilJazz | via ITMS? No, that's located in a separate directory structure. No idea how to get the files from there on Windows... |
| 23:44.53 | evilJazz | hrm |
| 23:45.18 | Kaley | damnit, what's wrong with it |
| 23:45.27 | evilJazz | perhaps the module crashed |
| 23:45.34 | Kaley | i rebooted |
| 23:45.56 | Kaley | i shall reboot again |
| 23:46.01 | Kaley | i've never had this problem before |
| 23:46.12 | nox- | does it draw too much power maybe? |
| 23:46.16 | nox- | from the usb |
| 23:46.30 | Kaley | not with a known-working mouse |
| 23:46.43 | nox- | no i mean this kbd |
| 23:47.00 | Kaley | i don't know, would that crash it if i rebooted with it plugged in? |
| 23:47.25 | Kaley | because i've had the kbd plugged in before and it worked in the sense that the zaurus detected it |
| 23:48.00 | Kaley | this was my first time attempting to reboot with the kbd plugged in, and after it didn't work, i rebooted again with it not plugged in, and now the host port isn't working at all |
| 23:49.01 | nox- | oh |
| 23:49.06 | Kaley | still not |
| 23:49.07 | evilJazz | try to cut the power completely for 5 - 10 seconds and then try again |
| 23:49.57 | evilJazz | perhaps the USB control chip isn't completely reset |
| 23:50.35 | evilJazz | also try to insert the USB host cable first, then attach the mouse to the host cable |
| 23:51.22 | evilJazz | sometimes my C3200 won't detect the device if I plug in both devices at once. The host cable is like an USB hub with just one port. |
| 23:53.20 | Kaley | ah |
| 23:53.27 | Kaley | well ... no luck yet, i'll try what you said |
| 23:55.28 | evilJazz | if nothing works, try the USB HOST test in the diagnostic menu (reboot, holding down D and M), it's on the 2nd service menu page. |
| 23:59.07 | Kaley | okay |
| 23:59.19 | Kaley | so far not going well |
| 23:59.39 | Kaley | but i think i still have a warranty on the device, i got it on ebay and did the squaretrade deal |