| 00:00.19 | fingaz | me to. trying to deside what to put on it. The default stuff sucks |
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| 00:00.21 | jaydot | from what i've been reading on the web, the various help sites are all closing |
| 00:00.58 | jaydot | i can't get mine to sync. the manual isn't up to much on that. the disk stuff is for windows |
| 00:01.51 | fingaz | I found a good guide for it on oesf forums |
| 00:02.40 | jaydot | thanks. i'll take another look. i need some clear, simple howtos |
| 00:02.44 | fingaz | it would have worked except I use groupwise and it took over outlook and wouldn't sync. Couldn't find the database |
| 00:03.51 | jaydot | i don't run linux, which is why i was attracted to this little toy. i hadn't realised it would be so different from the linux on a regular computer |
| 00:05.31 | fingaz | guess everybody is idle I'll hop on here tomorrow at work I guess |
| 00:08.04 | jaydot | i'll talk to meself; ask the questions i would have asked you. never know what might not transpire. |
| 00:09.17 | jaydot | i have pclinuxos installed on a dell inspiron 510m. i invoked kpilot and it is attempting to sync to zaurus, but something makes it time out. |
| 00:10.38 | jaydot | zaurus also hangs sometimes. on occasion the x button to close doesn't work and i have to call the kbd and ctrl-esc from it. |
| 00:11.58 | jaydot | once i have the zaurus talking to another computer, i then want to know how to port stuff across and how to install applications on the zaurus |
| 00:12.50 | jaydot | i wonder if i could install pclinuxos-2007 on the zaurus? |
| 00:13.09 | nox- | not unless theres an arm port |
| 00:13.22 | jaydot | what's an arm port? |
| 00:13.40 | jaydot | i don't know how embedded differs from regular linux |
| 00:13.43 | nox- | zaurus uses arm cpu, most pcs use i386 |
| 00:13.49 | jaydot | i c |
| 00:14.41 | jaydot | could open sourcerer write a port for arm? |
| 00:14.46 | nox- | but with debian arm you should be able to just apt-get install stuff like on a pc |
| 00:15.00 | nox- | open sourcerer? |
| 00:15.09 | jaydot | that would be nice. pclos uses apt-get |
| 00:15.12 | jaydot | coder |
| 00:15.21 | jaydot | programmer |
| 00:15.49 | nox- | an arm port of pclos? |
| 00:15.58 | jaydot | yes |
| 00:16.34 | jaydot | how does arm differ from i386? is it better? |
| 00:16.42 | nox- | well theoretically it may be possible, tho probably a bunch of work |
| 00:16.51 | nox- | arm needs less power |
| 00:17.01 | jaydot | nice. |
| 00:17.38 | jaydot | is it like the difference between amd and intel? they both make cpus, but the cpus are different |
| 00:18.11 | nox- | somewhat, but the code arm runs differs from amd/intel too |
| 00:18.29 | jaydot | essentially the are the processor? |
| 00:18.45 | nox- | arm is the cpu architecture yes |
| 00:20.18 | jaydot | wonder what the bios looks like? how much does it differ from pheonix/american megatrends/et al? |
| 00:20.53 | nox- | very |
| 00:21.31 | jaydot | it's a pretty little machine |
| 00:21.38 | nox- | yup |
| 00:21.42 | jaydot | it has only aliens in the games section |
| 00:22.10 | jaydot | i had a look at some lists of stuff that can be installed and there's lots of games |
| 00:22.49 | jaydot | i want to know how to reinstall the zaurus and where to get the files from |
| 00:23.22 | jaydot | i wonder how the makers installed the software initially? |
| 00:24.06 | nox- | jtag maybe |
| 00:24.10 | nox- | not sure |
| 00:24.22 | nox- | or they flashed the chip before soldering it on |
| 00:31.06 | jaydot | don't know what jtag is, but the soldering makes sense. pity it's not a push in module, like the sd card |
| 00:32.49 | nox- | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jtag |
| 00:33.15 | jaydot | thanks. brb |
| 00:33.52 | nox- | you _can_ flash a zaurus tho, just be careful... :) |
| 00:34.33 | nox- | (or you soon turn it into an expensive paperweight :) |
| 00:41.26 | jaydot | OpenCores JTAG module is an IP core which can be used to provide JTAG in a design. looks promising |
| 00:42.14 | nox- | dont need that to flash a working zaurus tho |
| 00:42.55 | jaydot | i'm not sure how well mine is working |
| 00:43.20 | nox- | oh it doesnt boot? |
| 00:43.51 | jaydot | it boots fine. it hangs sometimes |
| 00:44.04 | jaydot | i can't get it to sync with my laptop |
| 00:44.22 | nox- | when does it hang? |
| 00:45.34 | jaydot | i sit it in its cradle while still on and five minutes later it's hung |
| 00:46.00 | nox- | hmm |
| 00:46.23 | jaydot | there's stuff on the two removable cards, but file manager doesn't do any more than show me the files |
| 00:46.37 | jaydot | i'm wondering if the system is ok |
| 00:47.10 | nox- | well mine doesnt have a cradle but connecting the usb network thingy doesnt make it hang, only sometimes i get this network dialog which wont go away and i have to reboot |
| 00:48.14 | jaydot | i have a sl-5500. as far as i know, the only way to sync to comp is via the cradle. i can plug the unit itself directly to the transformer |
| 00:48.47 | nox- | oh and scp'ing stuff sometimes stops, but only in one direction (which _may_ be because i have a somewhat long usb cable...) |
| 00:48.49 | jaydot | it has a bluetooth icon, but the manual mentions nothing about wifi |
| 00:49.35 | nox- | the cradle may be what mine does with the usb network, dunno |
| 00:49.48 | jaydot | probably |
| 00:49.57 | jaydot | i only got it today |
| 00:50.08 | nox- | mine is a c3200 |
| 00:50.34 | jaydot | i'll take a look on the web for it and see how it differs |
| 00:51.01 | nox- | c3*00 have harddrives |
| 00:51.07 | nox- | mine a 5G |
| 00:51.09 | nox- | 6G |
| 00:51.51 | jaydot | that looks much more sophisticated than the sl-5500 |
| 00:52.20 | jaydot | mine has a pull out kbd that's impossible to use comfortably |
| 00:52.30 | jaydot | it's just as fast to use the onscreen kbd |
| 00:53.14 | nox- | well the kbd is small... but probably still better than an onscreen one that takes away much of the scarce screen space :) |
| 00:53.55 | nox- | (i must admit mine spends much time at the shell i.e. terminal...) |
| 00:54.06 | jaydot | true, but while i'm still playing with it, it's usefully faster |
| 00:54.27 | nox- | that may be, sure |
| 00:54.36 | jaydot | when i went to a shell i got a blank screen with flashing cursor and no further response |
| 00:54.41 | jaydot | i had to soft reset |
| 00:54.47 | nox- | huh |
| 00:54.49 | jaydot | had to do that several times |
| 00:54.53 | nox- | kbd didnt work? |
| 00:55.30 | jaydot | when you look for terminal, it defaults to 2. nothing happened with that, so i chose a different # and got nothing |
| 00:56.23 | nox- | ah vt? |
| 00:56.25 | nox- | try 1 |
| 00:56.38 | nox- | 2 is the gui here |
| 00:57.00 | nox- | mine has a terminal app tho |
| 00:57.08 | nox- | that runs on the gui |
| 00:57.08 | jaydot | i c. should be the same on this. how do you use the file manager? |
| 00:57.20 | nox- | i never used it :) |
| 00:57.21 | jaydot | how do you open a file from file manager |
| 00:58.03 | jaydot | i shall have to see if i can do the same |
| 00:58.08 | jaydot | gonna be a bore |
| 01:02.14 | jaydot | got to the terminal |
| 01:02.22 | jaydot | any way to make the font bigger? |
| 01:02.52 | nox- | not if your on vt1 |
| 01:03.05 | nox- | i.e. not gui terminal app... |
| 01:03.10 | jaydot | i need a magnifier |
| 01:03.14 | nox- | :) |
| 01:03.15 | jaydot | the font is tiny |
| 01:03.42 | jaydot | at least i got that far. now i can scout the filesystem and see what i recognise |
| 01:03.59 | jaydot | perhaps i can ssh into my laptop! |
| 01:04.13 | nox- | try to install a gui terminal app maybe if you want bigger font |
| 01:04.19 | nox- | oh and ssh too :) |
| 01:04.29 | nox- | i mean install ssh |
| 01:05.02 | jaydot | sounds much more intriguing now |
| 01:05.26 | jaydot | i can do things i couldn't earlier |
| 01:05.33 | jaydot | thanks for being here |
| 01:05.38 | nox- | yw |
| 01:11.27 | jaydot | the screens gone dark and i don't know a command to brighten the screen |
| 01:12.08 | nox- | using the kbd doesnt brighten it? |
| 01:12.15 | jaydot | nope |
| 01:12.33 | jaydot | laugh, i'm using a magnifying glass to try to read it |
| 01:12.39 | nox- | oh mine has brightness controls on fn-<digit keys> |
| 01:13.35 | jaydot | what do you press in combo? i have a fn key |
| 01:14.36 | nox- | fn 4 -> more bright, fn 3 -> darker |
| 01:18.00 | jaydot | ok ty |
| 01:18.59 | jaydot | nope. has to be something different on this |
| 01:20.29 | nox- | maybe |
| 01:20.36 | nox- | or it only works in the gui |
| 01:20.45 | nox- | try: chvt 2 |
| 01:21.16 | nox- | (then go back like you did before) |
| 01:22.22 | jaydot | my kbd is doing behaving oddly. some letters are not showing onscreen |
| 01:25.05 | nox- | huh |
| 01:25.15 | nox- | did u buy it used? |
| 01:25.49 | jaydot | yes. found why kbd. have to press fn /? to get #, then again to revert to letters |
| 01:26.01 | jaydot | chvt2 didn't do it |
| 01:26.01 | nox- | ah |
| 01:26.06 | nox- | chvt 2 |
| 01:26.10 | nox- | with a space |
| 01:26.15 | jaydot | ok |
| 01:26.19 | jaydot | hang one |
| 01:26.35 | nox- | should go back to the gui |
| 01:27.09 | jaydot | thanks. it did |
| 01:27.27 | jaydot | is there a way of getting a windowed terminal? |
| 01:27.36 | nox- | install a gui terminal app |
| 01:28.38 | jaydot | how do i do that? |
| 01:28.57 | jaydot | i have to connect first and that aint happenin' |
| 01:29.23 | nox- | i guess you want to find an ipk that fits for your version and install that |
| 01:29.36 | nox- | you could put the ipk on an sdcard or smth |
| 01:29.41 | jaydot | what's an ipk? |
| 01:29.56 | nox- | package file |
| 01:30.15 | nox- | oh and get ssh while your at it too :) |
| 01:30.20 | nox- | i guess |
| 01:30.32 | jaydot | thanks. how come i don't see the obvious until it's pointed out? i have a card reader i can connect to the computer and transfer anything i like |
| 01:30.39 | jaydot | could i put kde on here? |
| 01:30.55 | jaydot | there's a package manager on the zaurus |
| 01:30.59 | nox- | kde doesnt make sense on such a small screen |
| 01:31.05 | jaydot | get it some packages and install |
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| 01:31.50 | jaydot | you're right. how small is small enough in the way of window manager? would ion, openbox, fluxbox, xfce be any good? |
| 01:33.26 | nox- | youd have to look for whats ported... |
| 01:33.49 | nox- | or maybe go with debian... |
| 01:38.32 | nox- | gnite |
| 01:40.46 | jaydot | gnite and thanks a lot |
| 01:40.55 | nox- | yw |
| 01:41.08 | nox- | & gnite jaydot |
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| 02:46.47 | jaydot | i've realised why the unit hangs from time to time. i'm asking it to move too fast. i click on something and it's still working on the last task. leave it for a minute or two and it's ready again |
| 02:47.50 | jaydot | i still want to know how to reinstall it. what packages do i need to download to my laptop and transfer to one of the cards? which card would it be best to copy the packages to? |
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| 03:36.02 | jaydot | i've found someone else who has one the sl-5500s. he'll be jolly useful |
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| 14:22.37 | joss193 | where are those rom updates for c750..perhaps with new kernel instead of 24.18-xx? |
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| 18:23.41 | fingaz | anybody here? |
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