IRC log for #zaurus on 20070818

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04:46.21ty-guestBest rom for C1000?
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10:40.06pawelmorning
10:40.09pawel:>
13:28.10ME-tansup
13:28.16ME-tanpawel: pawel pawel pawel pawel pawel
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14:55.18pawelME-tan: ME-tan ME-tan ME-tan ME-tan ME-tan
14:55.19pawel:>
14:59.15pawelME-tan: I have forgotten to add when we're speaking about ir, I used to have permanent ir link between two buildings with my mate
15:00.28pawelbut I have seen guys doing with 10-20 ir devices
15:00.41pawelbundled together
15:00.43pawel:)
15:00.48pawelon linux
15:06.17ME-tanlawl
15:06.52ME-tanouch i cant imagine running a permanant ir link between two buildings, that must be a really shitty way to network
15:07.01ME-tanWhy not use ethernet?
15:07.14pawelbecause of the council
15:07.21pawelbut it was cheap as well
15:07.26pawelthere was no wifi
15:07.35pawelit was 12 years ago
15:07.39ME-tanwe were running ethernet on coax out of windows when I was at uni
15:07.49pawelI have done that as well
15:07.58pawelbut not where I used to live later on
15:08.00ME-tanwifi does make things like that easier
15:08.23ME-tanall you need to connect two buildings is 2 cans of pringles and 2 inexpensive cards
15:08.52paweldrug addicts used to nick my cable
15:08.56ME-tanand get 108 meg a sec if you use dual channel g
15:09.35pawel:>
15:09.37pawelI
15:09.54pawelI'm not going to run my network over a pocket of crips
15:09.55pawel;>
15:10.28pawels/pocket/packet/
15:11.38ME-tanbtw i have a bnc ethernet terminator as a keyring
15:12.47pawelME-tan: you are a pervert
15:12.48pawel;>
15:12.53ME-tanhaha
15:12.57ME-tanwhat else is new?
15:13.59pawelfast ethernet card in my zaurus
15:14.00pawel:>
15:14.11pawelworks really well
15:14.42pawelit plays up a bit in pdaxrom, but works good in cacko
15:14.47ME-tani've got something in the back on my mind about BBSes
15:14.55pawel:>
15:14.57pawelBBS
15:15.15pawelI used download warez from those
15:15.16pawel:>
15:15.22ME-tanok, BBSes are now something only run by enthusiasts because the web came along and more people used
15:15.42ME-tanthe internet is now very popular. Everyone is using it but it has become something that people want to restrict
15:15.51pawelfidonet?
15:15.51pawel:>
15:16.03ME-tanrestricting the net will take away the spirit of it
15:16.24pawelwell, i don't think that it will ever work
15:16.37pawelthey will always restrict here and there
15:16.42ME-tanOne of the reasons i'm still a 4channer is that it is the one place where you can have a balls out conversation and say anything without getting censored
15:16.42pawelpolitics
15:16.45pawelcorporate
15:16.47pawelkids
15:16.50ME-tanif someone wants to tell me to go to hell they can
15:16.52ME-tanand so on
15:17.13pawelME-tan: go to hell
15:17.14pawel:>
15:17.16ME-tanyeah
15:17.22ME-tanand this is also why i use IRC
15:17.30ME-tani love irc for that
15:17.36pawelyeah
15:17.41pawellets celebrate
15:17.42pawel:>
15:17.50ME-tanyeah i need an IRC > Facebook tshirt
15:17.55ME-tani can wear it in London
15:18.03pawel:>
15:18.16ME-taneveryone in london is on facebook or myspace
15:18.26ME-tani am on neither because it is fucking pointless
15:18.29pawelwait a couple of years and ppl will start putting social sites on their cvs and business cards
15:19.13ME-tanif that
15:19.19pawel"hey! why don't u check out my ason xxxlucyxx.mysites.com
15:19.29pawels/ason/ass on/
15:19.55ME-tanit doesnt work for me because I am a geek. I am antisocial and can only conforably speak over askii
15:19.58ME-tanbrb
15:20.01ME-tanascii
15:20.26paweltoo much weed
15:20.27pawel:>
15:21.43pawelME-tan: we should hold a zaurus pub meeting in london
15:21.44pawel:>
15:22.50ME-tanback
15:24.22pawelguys what do you recommend for stream media to my zaurus?
15:24.32ME-tananyway, i was wondering if there would be a way to have some kind of localised BBS over wifi
15:24.48pawelME-tan: vpn? :>
15:24.56pawelexclusive vpn
15:25.06ME-tanheh unfortunately being an antisocial computer geek i don't toke anymore because I can't find a dealer
15:25.07pawelfree, but only for members
15:25.51ME-tani wanted to not use internet if neccessary
15:25.55pawelME-tan: u can always ask your gp for something on prescription in this country
15:25.57pawel:>
15:26.28ME-tanlets face it if the uk goes like germany even using tor or wardriving is illegal there now
15:26.36pawelME-tan: bbs over power
15:26.50ME-tannot easy to do
15:26.58ME-tanbut over PSTN is workable but slo
15:27.08ME-tanyou can only do ascii text over that easily
15:27.23pawelyeah specially when my mrs starts washing machine
15:27.37paweldamn! you have taken all my bandwidth!
15:27.45ME-tanwifi is much faster, does not generate phone bills and would be off the radar
15:28.07ME-tanthe only thing is you have to find it and you have to go there
15:28.19ME-tanthere would also have to be some kind of incentive for people to go there
15:28.24ME-tanpeople went there for the warez
15:28.28paweldo you have headaches?
15:28.30pawelfrom wifi
15:28.32pawelI do
15:28.33ME-tanno
15:29.00pawelit triggers my migraine
15:29.04pawelbut I still use it
15:30.12ME-tana rare thing
15:30.21ME-tanwifi is a really low power transmission
15:30.27pawelit sounds creazy, but my last 5 years with wifi resulted in being tired everyday
15:30.28ME-tani can fart more powerfully than wifi
15:30.54ME-tanmy farts probably generate more migranes though...
15:31.11paweldo you play any media on your z?
15:31.18ME-tanyeah
15:31.22pawelI'm interested in the movies
15:31.31ME-tani'm using it for music and i'm experimenting with video
15:31.37ME-tanno luck so far
15:31.41pawelvideo on my z is a bit jerky
15:31.50ME-tanapparently i need more swap space to do it
15:31.58ME-tani've been trying different encodes
15:32.18paweleven with bvdd it's still crap
15:32.34ME-tanyou have a c1000 don;t you?
15:32.41ME-tani thought that was pretty powerful
15:32.57pawelbefore I decided to buy, I have read that it plays divx and other mpeg4 formats alright
15:33.01pawelyeah
15:33.03pawelI know
15:33.07pawel416MHz
15:33.29ME-tanit can do it but it might need transcoding
15:33.30pawelI used to play divx movies on my Pentium 160 MMX overclocked to 200
15:33.36ME-tanheh so did i
15:33.48ME-tani think thatw as on my p120 overclocked to 133
15:33.54ME-tani was watching TV on it too
15:34.00ME-tanhad a winTV 2000
15:34.00pawelyeah
15:34.06ME-tanthis was my machine at uni
15:34.30pawelso why on earth with 400MHz in it 10 years later cannot do it of the box?
15:34.31pawel;>
15:34.48ME-tanbecause those were i386 based
15:35.12pawelmum I want an i386 intel PDA!
15:35.23ME-tanpawel: asus EEE
15:35.29paweltoo big!
15:35.33pawelthough about it.
15:35.42pawelin needs to go to my pocket
15:35.45pawelno bag!
15:35.48ME-tanmeh, i was using an HP 360LX
15:36.11ME-tanand using it for worl
15:36.12ME-tanwork
15:36.19ME-tanand that is a big pda
15:36.25ME-tanbut it could go in a jacket pocket
15:36.32pawelI'm might go for foleo
15:36.39ME-tani think the eee would also fit in an inside jacket pocket
15:36.43pawelwhen it goes out
15:36.52ME-tannot like i can fit the z in my pocket anyway - i't trash it
15:36.57pawelME-tan: you must a really big jacket
15:37.08pawelME-tan: like jay-z or 50 cent
15:37.09ME-tanfits in the fleece pocket fine
15:37.44pawels/must/must have/
15:37.59ME-tani need a trench coat, the type you could keep a sawnoff in. and i pull out my portable instead
15:38.09ME-tanyou ever read accellerando?
15:38.40ME-tanmain character has supercomputing clusters sewn into his jacket with a head up display
15:38.55pawelwhoa
15:39.10pawelwhy don't they start selling those cloths
15:39.11pawel:>
15:39.21ME-tanand is the ultimate free software entrepreneur
15:39.25ME-tanand perv, of course
15:39.34pawel:>
15:40.08pawelME-tan: I've got a computer interface tattooed on my neck
15:40.09pawel;>
15:40.40ME-tanthe character never has any money but never needs to buy anything. He just thinks stuff up, not only patents it but uses an algorithm that not only patents a better mousetrap but the set of all better mousetraps and then gives the patent to a free patent holding authority
15:40.58ME-tani think acellerando is held on project gutenberg as well so it is a free download
15:41.04ME-tanwritten by charles stross
15:41.16ME-tani've been reading some of his other stuff
15:41.48ME-tanjust finished "The Jennifer Morgue", main character in that is basically a geek james bond
15:43.01paweldo you like cyberpunk?
15:43.36ME-tanyup, think steampunk style is pretty good too
15:43.50ME-tanshame there is no way cyberpunk would ever be cool
15:44.01ME-tanalthough i think wearables are hot
15:44.20pawelhow about computers installed in your body?
15:44.21pawel:>
15:45.07pawelnot like ipods, more like interfaces to exchange information
15:45.15ME-tandepends as long as i'm in control
15:45.23pawelI cannot wait
15:45.39ME-tani could handle shirow's cyberbrain idea
15:45.39pawelto see those scriptkiddis writting cyber drugs
15:45.39pawel:>
15:45.43ME-tanin fact i would be first in line getting a mortgage for a cyberbody
15:46.01pawelsomething that has now phisical health effect
15:46.03ME-tani've seen all the ghost in the shells
15:46.07pawel:>
15:46.16ME-tanfantastic series
15:46.21ME-tani should read the manga
15:46.33paweli think that even first matrix wasn't bad
15:47.34pawelI think a human interface capable of chaning human dna
15:47.37ME-tanit was ok but then again the first time i saw that was a bootleg that had a section missing. the section being the part where cypher defects. In the bootleg you didn't know he was going to defect till he did it and that made the film better imho
15:47.41pawels/chaning/changing/
15:48.06pawelI didn't like the end of the movie
15:48.09pawelI agree
15:48.17ME-tanmatrix took a lot of ghost in the shell ideas from it
15:48.30pawelbut I didn't watch matix til 2003
15:48.36ME-tanthe two ghost in the shell: stand alone complex series were very good
15:48.37paweljust because I knew it is crap
15:48.45pawelbut it was a nice suprise
15:48.49pawelit wasn't too bad
15:49.11ME-tanthe matrix sequals blew, only worth it for "persephone" in that white latex gown
15:49.19pawelI'm a great fan of Alien though
15:49.20pawel:>
15:49.25pawelgot every single one on DVD
15:49.29paweleven computer games
15:49.30pawel:>
15:49.46ME-tanalien 4 was silly in a good way
15:49.50ME-tangood one liners in it
15:49.51pawelyeah
15:49.52pawelI love it
15:50.14ME-tan"I thought you were dead!" "yeah i get that a lot..."
15:50.20pawelI love when they clone ripley
15:50.22pawellove it
15:50.42ME-tanhah did you see the southpark ep with towelly?
15:50.50paweland all those unsuccessful copies
15:50.51pawel:>
15:50.55pawelnope
15:51.04ME-tanbest pisstake ever
15:51.19paweli didn't watch much of south park
15:51.23pawel:>
15:51.36ME-tanthere are lots of shit southparks but sometimes it really does hit the nail on the head
15:51.52ME-tanand that was one of them
15:51.52pawel:>
15:52.08ME-tanbasically the military create a smart towel for some reason
15:52.22pawelI have heard, but never had enough patience to watch it for some good moments
15:52.23ME-tanit become sentient but all it wants to do is toke up so it gets stoned and wanters off
15:52.23pawel;>
15:52.52ME-tanwhen they bring towely back there is a scene with all the "failed" towelleys
15:52.58pawelto be honest I don't like simsons and stuff, it a bit sad
15:52.59pawel:>
15:53.18ME-tani dont like the simpsons that much
15:53.46paweli've watched dexter when I was younger
15:53.48pawel:>
15:53.51paweldexter lab
15:53.52pawel:>
15:53.53ME-tanfuturama is another matter
15:54.04ME-tandexter's secret dexter's secret dexter's secret....
15:54.38pawelI'm going on holiday soon
15:54.46ME-tanfor good cartoons I give you "Animaniacs" and all the associated things like pinkie and the brain
15:54.47pawelfor the first time in years offline
15:54.51ME-tanthose are works of genius
15:54.59pawel(apart of uploading pics for family)
15:55.37ME-tanhttp://www.accelerando.org/_static/accelerando-rtf.zi
15:55.41ME-tanhttp://www.accelerando.org/_static/accelerando-rtf.zip
15:55.43ME-tanread that
15:55.54ME-tantake it with you on your Z
15:56.08ME-tanthen buy more stross
15:56.19pawelis it long?
15:56.38ME-tanproper novel
15:56.45pawelI need to eat something
15:56.47ME-tank
15:56.49pawel:>
15:57.01pawelbut I'm not sure if I want to make something up for myself
15:57.01ME-tanjust supplied your reading material for your trip
15:57.04pawelI'm a bit lazy
15:57.13pawelME-tan: lol
15:57.25pawelME-tan: I will remember to stick on SD card
15:57.27pawel;>
15:57.45pawels/stick/stick it/
15:57.48ME-taneayh
15:57.49ME-tanyeah
15:58.01ME-tanworth it
15:58.10ME-tanproper geek book
15:58.30pawelon a proper geek device
15:58.31pawel;>
15:59.09ME-tanyes
15:59.38ME-tanproblem is i'm not as smart as my peers and i run into limitations of what i can fo
15:59.41ME-tando
15:59.57ME-tani'm a shit hot windows geek but i've got a lot to learn about unix
16:00.19ME-tani already know enough about windows know it has limits
16:00.31pawelI have used linux on desktop and servers for years
16:00.46ME-tanunix is built on a better model but it is so fundamentally different i stull have a hard time adapting
16:00.51pawelbut now moving to management  
16:00.55pawelfinance
16:01.02pawelnot much hacking at work
16:01.02ME-tanprobably why i'm an ubuntu user
16:01.49pawelbut I have have seen linux crashing big time
16:02.01pawellimitation of kernel, fs, apache
16:02.01ME-tanyup
16:02.03pawel:>
16:02.25pawelwhen I used to work for small companies I have never run into limits of linux
16:02.31pawelI though it was very cool
16:02.41paweluntil I have started working with some big boys
16:02.41ME-tanwindows is good for what it is. It is easy to use and set up and it does what it says on the tin. problem it you can't do more
16:02.45pawelwith big boxes
16:03.04ME-tanand for that you need a big unix
16:03.15paweland fat admin
16:03.20paweland fat wallet
16:03.21pawel:>
16:03.53pawelthe one thing for which I have broadband
16:03.56pawelis music
16:03.59ME-tanand not everyone wants to pay it because they see 50 windows boxes as doing the same thing
16:04.17ME-tanbut you can pull a cart with 50 chickens but sometimes you just need a horse
16:04.45pawelME-tan: and they can get 50 indian working on it for half of your wages
16:04.46pawel;>
16:04.51pawels/indian/indians/
16:05.59pawelI have nothing against indian ppl, put I have seen so many jobs going away and coming back
16:06.18ME-tanwhich is fine but the cheap indians only know how to follow a script. I've heard stuff coming out of those outsourced centres where the indians have started getting errors that weren't in the script so they turned off their monitors. The outage lasted until about an hour after the manager guy showed up
16:06.31ME-tanand answered one of the phones that was ringing off the hook
16:06.31paweland CEOs or MDs thinking that's it's going to work
16:06.47ME-tanmost of the good indian techs earn enough to leave then come here
16:06.49pawelME-tan: that's right
16:07.03ME-tanand i have worked with some shit hot indian techs
16:07.06pawelME-tan: those ppl a much helpful a post office workers
16:07.14ME-tanexactly
16:07.19ME-tanpay peanuts get monkeys
16:07.50ME-tanproblem is it takes a few years before the rot sets in
16:07.52pawelthe only way to win is if an emoployee can speak to a customer and think for himself
16:07.59ME-tanas systems don't usually fall over overnight
16:09.07pawelI work in environment with 3 call centres and 1 development centre mostly .net
16:09.10ME-tannature of business in the uk isnt helping either
16:09.14pawelwhat a shit hole
16:09.59pawelI've got some pictures of my Z
16:10.00pawel;>
16:10.06ME-tanuk is set up for a service industry because all out manufacturing turned to shit. They will laugh at you if you attempt to manufacture something here like psion
16:10.29pawellazy ppl and high costs
16:10.33ME-tanworks fine apart from all the service industry is going to the far east and all the manufacturing is going to china
16:10.54pawelthat's why I'm going away from operations
16:10.59ME-tanto be honest i'm not sure if there is a way out of it
16:11.00pawelto sales and finance
16:11.13ME-tanyeah, no money in IT anymore
16:11.24ME-tanand it sucks because its the only thing i'm good at
16:11.51pawelyou can become a good developer
16:11.57pawelbut you still need to manage ppl
16:12.02paweland not everyone can
16:12.33ME-tani have no idea if i can
16:12.38ME-tanbut we shall see
16:12.42pawel:>
16:12.47ME-tannot much opportunity for me to have my own spod
16:13.06pawelI'll buy you a red tie and shiny shoes for your first presentation
16:13.07pawel;>
16:13.25ME-tani'd probably do ok because i'd want my spod to know i'll get my hands dirty too
16:14.35pawelthere is some big money in the city for all kinds of developers, web, sql, automation, billing and stats.
16:14.51pawellords of information
16:14.51pawel:>
16:15.12pawelloads of info to be processed, presented and shared
16:15.49ME-tanshame i can't develop much more than a ringtone for my phone
16:16.32pawelI always had to, not something complicated, mostly web, sql, some script automation
16:16.39pawelsince I work with corporate it
16:16.44pawelNT 4.0
16:16.53pawelred hat 5.2
16:17.05ME-tanwell i do tinker with basic batch files and things
16:17.17ME-tanto get my job done faster but not much more
16:17.26pawelI used to play with gui long time a go
16:17.33pawelwhen I was 10-12
16:17.46pawelcook book in delphi or c++
16:17.50pawelborland c++
16:17.51paweletc
16:17.52pawel:>
16:18.08ME-tani think i was playing around in gwbasic when i was 12
16:18.25ME-tanno geek mentor and limited equipment
16:18.27pawelI used to program in basic on my commodore c64
16:18.32ME-tani missed the BBS scene
16:18.42ME-tanwas never allowed a modem
16:18.47pawelheh
16:18.49pawelparents?
16:18.49pawel:>
16:18.51ME-tanyeah
16:19.07ME-tanby the time i was old enough and bought my own i'd missed it
16:19.07pawelmy dad used to search my drawers and PC for modems
16:19.11pawelbecause of the bills
16:19.22paweland in 1995 my mum said that "internet is evil!"
16:19.37pawelnow she uses it on the daily basis
16:19.44ME-tani was building machines out of junk. I did start on the net quite a bit in 95/96
16:20.32pawelout of junk? a mad scientist?
16:20.32pawel:>
16:20.56ME-tanthere was a place i could get to on my bike that took in old machines from companies and would sell them to me
16:21.05ME-tanfor like a pound each
16:21.15ME-tanand i'd get a few and make new ones out of the bits
16:21.33ME-tanended up with a 486 dx4 100 in a modified case
16:21.35pawelyeah
16:21.43ME-tani had another one before it that i needed to hit to make it boot
16:21.51pawelwhen I used to fix computer, I didn't have to buy anything for myselfd
16:22.15pawelthere was enough bits around
16:22.15pawelto put a PC together
16:22.15pawelsometimes without a case
16:22.20pawelon my desk
16:22.32pawelI remember I came back from a pub once
16:22.43paweland started taking video card off the slot
16:22.45pawelmemory etc
16:22.56paweluntil I have noticed that there was a fan spinning
16:23.19ME-tanoops
16:23.41pawelit was too late for my first agp card
16:23.46ME-tanheh
16:24.00pawelbut I have done hotswap on linux a couple of times
16:24.07pawelwithout any damage
16:24.12ME-tanmy other half is a tech as well but she is more of the type to want to bin anything obsolete when i just want to keep it handy
16:24.22ME-tanbecause i know that i can make a working computer from it
16:24.24pawelI never used screws in my computers
16:24.26ME-tanand to compute is to be
16:24.46pawelI have kicked a cable once, only to pull a NIC out of a PCI slot
16:25.04ME-tanhahahaha
16:25.07pawelmodule crashed with a short ooops, but I was able to put the card back in
16:25.16paweland load up the module
16:25.19ME-tankill ccrush destroy the nic!
16:25.22pawelsome old realtek
16:25.26pawel8139 i think
16:25.37ME-tanthose realtek 8139s are good shit
16:25.46ME-tancheap but last
16:25.51pawelyeap
16:25.58ME-tanbuilt a lot of things with them
16:25.59pawelmilitary hardware
16:25.59pawel;>
16:26.23pawelI've got a card which has been used for over 10 years and it's still going
16:26.39ME-tanone of mine is still going ok
16:26.55ME-tani've got a module at work that is some kind of ethernet to serial converter
16:27.16pawelcool
16:27.17ME-tanno power brick for it but i'm sure there is a use for it
16:27.27ME-tanit was being chucked out so i grabbed it
16:27.38pawelME-tan: terminal
16:27.44ME-tangoogled for it and found out it was a 400 quid module
16:27.58ME-tani've not played around with terminals much
16:28.01pawelME-tan: solaris with serial console over ethernet
16:28.13pawelor even linux
16:28.21ME-tanapparently the Z can do serial console with the right hardwre
16:28.26pawelnice thing for a data centre
16:28.39pawelif you only have *nix, use can use those instead of a kvm
16:29.02ME-tanfunny thing. We've gone from frames and dumb terminals to PCs, now we are gonna have thin clients on terminal servers again
16:29.05ME-tansame shit
16:29.14pawelME-tan: I have used a usb-serial cable to configure firewalls and cisco switches
16:29.16pawel:>
16:29.25pawelwith my Z
16:29.30ME-tannice
16:29.43pawelhandy
16:30.06ME-tani've not done anything with telecoms equipment
16:31.25ME-tanlooking into the BBS scene at the momenbt
16:32.15paweli've got few asterisk servers and a couple proper carrier grade isdn/sip switches
16:33.09ME-tanjust nosing around the net seeing if i can find out anything on current BBSing
16:33.18ME-tanhave you seen the BBS documentary?
16:33.23ME-tanif not get a copy
16:33.28pawelnope
16:33.30pawel:>
16:34.22ME-tanhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBS:_The_Documentary
16:35.02ME-tancreative commons so you can download it but i'd recommend buying it
16:41.31pawelI've got a sexy keyboard for my zaurus
16:41.41pawelwith a trackpad
16:41.56ME-tannice
16:42.02ME-tani could use one of those
16:42.11pawelhave you got a browser with flash? ;>
16:42.16ME-tancant easily change channel in irssi from the built in one
16:42.29ME-tanyes i'm using my lapto
16:42.31ME-tanlaptop
16:42.36pawelI can upload a video
16:42.37pawel;>
16:43.20ME-tanok
16:44.04pawelcan you play flash on z?
16:44.22pawelwithout encoding it do something else
16:45.06ME-tannot that i know
16:46.33pawelhow about pdaxrom with firefox for example?
16:46.48paweland a binary plugin
16:46.54pawelfrom adobe
16:47.28ME-tannot likely on my 5500
16:47.41pawelpdaxrom is nicy
16:47.51pawelworks great on my akita
16:48.01pawelI can even use evolution or openoffice
16:48.12pawelbut there is no real pda pim on it
16:48.14ME-tanno idea whether i should get another z
16:48.25ME-tani dont know if it is the way forwards
16:48.41pawelcacko got all right pim soft, but no proper X windows or packages
16:48.56pawelpoky linux
16:49.09pawelfrom the same people who do stuff for nokia
16:49.19pawelcommercial gtk environment
16:49.20ME-tanwe'll have to see how angstrom turns out when it gets a bit more stable
16:50.13pawelhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocxO4phqVmI
16:50.28pawellatest angstrom doesn't even boot up on mine
16:54.19ME-tanmost of the stuff on it doesn't work on mine either
16:55.06paweldoes it use gpe only? I have noticed gpe packages, but no opie
16:56.26pawelwhat do you think of the keyboard?
16:56.26pawel;>
16:56.29pawelquite cool
16:56.37pawelworks really well
16:56.43paweland so does trackpad
17:03.10pawelI wonder if I can stream TV to my Zaurus
17:03.24pawelif I dump TV signal to MPEG2
17:03.28pawelrealtime
17:03.36paweland some gui to change the channel and stream
17:06.14ME-tanyeah pretty good
17:06.38ME-tanang is gpe only because opie for zaurus is not being maintained
17:07.05ME-tanso there never will be any more development on it unless someone gives Trolltech money
17:10.33ME-tanone hell of a good youtube account you've got there ;)
17:11.13ME-tanhttp://www.youtube.com/profile?user=dogfartsluts   mine
17:12.58pawelME-tan: my first video!
17:13.05ME-tan:D
17:13.16pawelME-tan: I'm even an antisocial beast online!
17:13.24pawelI've been busy ;>
17:13.45pawelI'm been using YouTube for a while, only watching
17:13.55ME-tanlikewise
17:14.04ME-tanthen again i only started that account as a joke
17:14.12ME-tanhense the userna,e
17:14.15ME-tanusername
17:15.18pawel:>
17:16.04ME-tani like taking pictures and vids on my phone, so i post some of them up
17:24.03pawelhaha
17:24.07pawelqtrdesktop
17:24.12pawelit works so good
17:37.18ME-tani connected to a synchronet bbs on telnet
17:37.21ME-tani'm reading it
17:38.06pawelI'm using a pc with a web cam to chat with someone on my zaurus :>
17:38.25ME-tan<PROTECTED>
17:39.10pawelhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JlCgq6Y8QY
17:39.12pawel:>
17:39.25pawelmy second clip on youtube!
17:39.26pawel;>
17:45.18ME-tan<PROTECTED>
17:45.35pawelqtrdesktop
17:45.44pawelmuch better experience
17:45.45ME-tani see
17:45.45pawel:>
17:45.58pawelreally responsive
17:46.39ME-tani'm trying to get vnc to work on my z
17:46.49ME-tani can now connect but can only use vowells on the kb
17:53.58pawelI've got a sim card rewriter
17:54.07paweland I could get an iphone
17:54.15ME-tani could use a rewriter
17:54.39ME-tani would have got the iphone if it was what jobs said it was going to be
17:55.04ME-tani.e. they were going to take no crap from operators, allow 3rd party apps and no lockdowns
17:55.22ME-tanthey caved in. i'm not spending my money on them
17:55.32ME-tanFIC made me a better offer
17:55.39ME-tanthey should get my money
17:56.43pawelbut they say that apple will sell unlocked units in europe
17:57.02ME-tanthey have to in some countries but the UK isnt one of them
17:57.12ME-tanand i'm fucked off with nokia doing it
18:00.27pawelI gave up nokia long time ago
18:01.58ME-tanmy nokia 6680 is sweet. Been a while since they made another good one
18:02.43ME-tanit was an old model when i got it and the sales weenie was desperate to sell me the new n70. I held both and the n70 just was so much more cheaply built
18:02.48ME-tani went for the 6800
18:02.50ME-tangood move
18:03.05ME-tani found out later the n70 really was a piece of shit
18:03.08pawelI boycott every single network-exclusive phone/device
18:04.32ME-tani have found that the Carphone Whorehouse on waterloo station platform can still be persuaded to sell you unlocked equipment on a contract
18:05.28pawelcool
18:05.34pawelzaurus is a good terminal device
18:05.49ME-tanor you could just buy the raw phone from expansys.com
18:05.49pawelI would love a citrix client for it
18:08.58pawelI've got blackberry
18:09.07pawelat the moment
18:09.16pawelgood for email
18:09.18pawel:>
18:09.28pawelquick, stable and responsive gui
18:09.37pawellimited, but solid
18:09.54pawellike old nokias
18:09.57pawel5110
18:09.58pawel6110
18:10.07ME-tani have a 6310i
18:10.31ME-tani deliberately looked for an old one of those
18:10.40ME-tanjust to have one of the best nokias ever made
18:10.40pawel:>
18:10.48ME-tanwhat i need is a 6310i with 3g
18:10.55pawelyeah
18:10.58ME-tanthen it would be perfect
18:10.59pawelI know
18:11.08paweluse an older blackberry as well
18:11.14pawelthe only one with 3g
18:11.38pawels/use/I use/
18:12.02ME-tanmy 6680 is 3g but it has no ir
18:12.24ME-tanso i get fast net but cant connect the Z to it yet
18:12.27ME-tanneed bluetooth
18:12.42ME-tanapparently they put IR back on the later ones because people complained
18:12.45pawelor a cheap usb cable
18:12.58ME-tanmy Z has no usb
18:13.04pawel:-S
18:13.05pawelcrap
18:13.15pawelI've got host usb in mine
18:13.24ME-tanmy 6680 is a business class handset. Came with everything including data cable
18:13.37pawelI have already printed from it, used keyboard, mouse, camera, usb disks, sticks etc
18:18.50pawelunpacking quake now
18:18.51pawel:>
18:19.00pawelhaven't played anything on my z
18:21.38pawelhm
18:22.42ME-tanheh
18:24.26pawela bit small
18:46.59pawelcool
18:47.20pawel:>
18:47.22pawelzaurus is cool
18:47.26pawelI must say
18:47.34pawelit's a true geek toy
18:48.10ME-tanyeah
18:48.19ME-tanbetter than the pocket pc i had
18:48.46ME-tanalthough i have to say a geek smartphone makes sense
18:51.16paweldecent keyboard, decent network and all desktop/server software
18:51.19pawelit's so cool
18:51.20pawel:>
18:51.37pawelI wonder if there is asterisk for zaurus
18:52.10ME-tanyeah the keyboard is the best feature
18:52.26paweland I can access all keys
18:52.46ME-tani have no ctrl on mine
19:01.19pawelME-tan: your z is missing a lot
19:01.24pawelupgrade
19:03.00ME-tanhahaha
19:03.06ME-tanyeah and i dont have a lot of cash
19:03.44pawelI bought sl-c1000 for just about £180
19:03.55ME-tani need to buy a welder
19:04.04ME-tanand a new phone would be nice
19:04.15pawelI sometimes spend more shopping in Ocado
19:04.51ME-tanyes but i cant eat it
19:04.57pawel:>
19:05.04pawelwell
19:05.07ME-tanplus that my contract might finish at the end of this month
19:05.16pawel:>
19:05.36pawelI got a free sim from o2 and 3g blackberry from work
19:06.46ME-tanand no BES server to connect to
19:07.05pawelwe have bes in house
19:07.13pawelon exchange server
19:07.14pawel:>
19:08.19ME-tanhahaha did you warez it or have you the disposable cash to just buy a bes server for shits and giggles?
19:09.10pawelcompany
19:09.11pawel:>
19:09.14pawelbought it
19:09.39pawelwe run bes for few big names in the uk
19:10.12ME-tannice. hope you make a good profit from that
19:10.33pawelcompany makes some, I get wages
19:10.37pawelno shares :(
19:10.41ME-tani've got a drawer full of blackberries at work
19:17.00pawelsell on ebay
19:17.03pawel;>
19:17.18ME-tannot mine
19:17.26ME-tanthey are the blue ones
19:17.31ME-tannot worth a lot anyway
19:17.52ME-tani've got an older one as well but not really that useful
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19:39.52pawelvlc sucks
19:40.15paweland idea how to improve video on my zaurus? :>
19:40.17ME-tanwwell, good for some things but crap for others
19:40.32ME-tani have opie player 2 installed
19:40.41pawelcan you play divx?
19:40.43pawel:>
19:41.03ME-tani can't play jack shit
19:41.09pawel:>
19:41.34pawelI want to be able to play video in a resonable format
19:41.42paweldoesn't need to be mpeg4
19:41.57paweljust so I can encode it and stick on my card
19:42.01paweltake it with me
19:42.24ME-tanyeah i'd like that too
19:42.33ME-tani take it you've been on oesf to ask ppl there?
19:42.46pawelnot yet
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19:49.41pawelnox-: :>
19:50.43nox-moin pawel, #
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19:54.13pawelME-tan: so what rom have you got?
19:55.08ME-tantkcrom 2.0a3
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23:34.41paweljust flashing my akita with poky
23:34.43pawel:>
23:35.56nox-and its still alive? :)
23:36.35nox-does the keyboard work right in rxvt?
23:37.08paweldon't know yet, I'm just about to find out if it boots up ok
23:37.09pawel;>
23:37.20nox-heh
23:37.25pawelbut I like the flashing led
23:37.28pawelemail one
23:37.35pawelit's acting like a hdd led
23:37.38pawelin a pc
23:38.07nox-flashes for `you got mail'?
23:38.40pawelheh
23:38.43pawelit crashed
23:38.44pawel:>
23:38.55nox-eww
23:39.04pawelxserver crashed with some glibc errors
23:39.05pawel:>
23:39.25nox-huh
23:39.33nox-got a bad image?
23:39.44pawellet me try the latest build
23:41.44nox-i tried oh-image-pda-akita-clyde-2.0.rootfs.jffs2 with zImage-2.6.19+2.6.20-rc4-clyde-2.0-akita.bin in qemu...
23:42.36nox-mostly worked, just the keyboard didnt quite work right (problems with fn apparently)
23:43.55nox-but that might be a qemu problem, dunno...
23:47.09pawellets try different build
23:48.39pawelthis one takes ages to boot
23:50.13nox-yeah the one i tried took quite a while as well
23:50.51pawelit stopped I think
23:51.02paweland it's frozen
23:51.05pawellovely
23:51.16pawelI need to take battery out
23:51.40pawelis there a way to reset the device without power cycling?
23:51.50pawels/device/akita/
23:51.51pawel:>
23:52.39frostschutzjust press the reset button?
23:53.20pawelbut I need to take off the case
23:53.40frostschutznot if you don't put it on in the first place :-)
23:53.48pawel:-P
23:54.30nox-o_O  you need to take the thing apart to reset it?
23:54.39pawelyeah
23:54.54nox-uh good i never needed that yet...
23:55.23pawelreset button is hidden in the battery compartment
23:55.32nox-ah right
23:59.27pawelnox-: what rom do you use?
23:59.38nox-sharp
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