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| 17:48.01 | joss193 | hi |
| 17:48.47 | joss193 | what is the process of getting this rom image flashed on other pda than zaurus? |
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| 18:37.09 | Tomoe | joss193: are you fukkin dum? |
| 18:37.16 | Tomoe | what would 'this rom image' be? |
| 18:37.28 | joss193 | Tomoe: hmm |
| 18:37.31 | Tomoe | wait let me just grab my crystal ball |
| 18:37.34 | Tomoe | so I can check |
| 18:37.35 | Tomoe | sorry |
| 18:37.37 | Tomoe | =P |
| 18:37.51 | joss193 | Tomoe: something that boot's to console? |
| 18:38.10 | joss193 | well question is followed those gentoo howtos |
| 18:38.11 | Tomoe | -_- |
| 18:38.31 | joss193 | they describe howto add fully functional bootstrap to sd card |
| 18:38.46 | joss193 | well ok that does not make this device to boot i guess.. |
| 18:39.12 | joss193 | lots other processors most infact support linux not just zaurus'es |
| 18:39.35 | joss193 | that is not too fucking dumb question |
| 18:39.58 | joss193 | gnu/linux lets to flash harddrive bootsector with grub utility |
| 18:40.16 | Tomoe | argh |
| 18:40.18 | joss193 | something similar needed to access rom via nfs for instance |
| 18:40.24 | Tomoe | #1: which pda would it be |
| 18:40.32 | joss193 | gigabyte gsmart here.. |
| 18:40.51 | Tomoe | ok and it's the same type of uC as in zaurus? |
| 18:41.15 | Tomoe | and the display is driven directly by the uC? |
| 18:41.19 | joss193 | i do not know...it is the question of boot mechanism |
| 18:41.22 | Tomoe | also how do you access the keyboard? |
| 18:41.25 | Tomoe | well you see |
| 18:41.31 | Tomoe | it's not just about that =) |
| 18:42.38 | joss193 | Tomoe:will i be able to access rom via nfs ? which device it should be under? |
| 18:43.36 | joss193 | Tomoe: i do not mean zarus hentges image just a boot image |
| 18:44.36 | joss193 | altboot for instance |
| 18:46.14 | Tomoe | I just checked your device |
| 18:46.50 | Tomoe | I do not know what you hope to achieve but if you want to get linux working decently on that, you're going to need more than just a bootloader |
| 18:47.40 | joss193 | Tomoe: of course |
| 18:48.06 | joss193 | Tomoe: gnu linux with kernel compiled |
| 18:49.17 | joss193 | Tomoe: but yeah this keyboard attaching is the thing, i guess that part that can not be done that easily.. i suspected that i could try this via pc before booting it |
| 18:49.27 | joss193 | impossible? |
| 18:51.44 | joss193 | linuxes kernel should pick that external keyboard or no? |
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| 18:53.56 | Tomoe | joss193: if you have a driver for it, yes |
| 18:53.59 | Tomoe | but if you don't |
| 18:54.01 | Tomoe | what then? |
| 18:54.02 | Tomoe | =) |
| 18:54.29 | joss193 | no way to flash this factory standard back then? |
| 18:55.28 | joss193 | the procedure for this thing is to copy an image nb to cd-card and then flashutility starts |
| 18:56.14 | joss193 | i think that it should be also connected to cmos or bios more closely than with rom incomaprison with real pc's no? |
| 18:56.58 | joss193 | changing a bootloader or os should not change it's bios settings for instance factory settings |
| 19:01.36 | joss193 | sure i would find a driver kernel module for this keyboard before trying to boot it |
| 19:38.01 | Tomoe | lawl |
| 19:38.10 | Tomoe | joss193: good, keep on with it |
| 19:38.11 | Tomoe | <3 |
| 19:38.36 | joss193 | Tomoe: hehee, bit ironic it seems |
| 20:24.19 | joss193 | Tomoe: does it seem so funny here? |
| 20:24.52 | joss193 | unpacking the debian pki altboot, it shows that somehow bootloader can be configured to start sd cf and such.. |
| 20:26.52 | joss193 | so different oses can be in different locations... |
| 20:27.06 | joss193 | sounds like a multiboot possibility here |
| 20:28.32 | joss193 | windows mobile from rom, linux from sdcard |
| 20:31.37 | balrog-kun | what device is it? |
| 20:32.31 | balrog-kun | OSes for embedded devices are not quite like PC OSes |
| 20:33.09 | balrog-kun | they are configured for the exact model and most things are not autodetected, |
| 20:33.44 | balrog-kun | and the whole boot process is usually a huge ugly hack that works totally different on every device |
| 20:35.07 | balrog-kun | porting to a new device is not extremely difficult though (assuming it runs windows mobile it's not an extremely exotic one) |
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| 20:39.11 | joss193 | balrog-kun: gsmarti |
| 20:39.39 | joss193 | balrog-kun: but there should be a bootsector in rom? |
| 20:40.48 | joss193 | balrog-kun: perhaps altboot can manage windows mobile bootng as well? |
| 20:41.28 | joss193 | so this for the sake for device not usable after bootloader switch |
| 20:41.41 | joss193 | grub does it for instance |
| 20:41.57 | balrog-kun | joss193: i don't know, the windows bootloader is perhaps a hack too |
| 20:42.32 | balrog-kun | i know people flash u-boot onto some PalmOS based devices and there are ways to boot the original PalmOS from u-boot too |
| 20:42.40 | balrog-kun | so you get dual-boot |
| 20:44.08 | balrog-kun | but you don't wanna flash a new bootloader before you know every detail about the device and perhaps have booted linux on it |
| 20:44.20 | balrog-kun | you use HaReT to boot kernels first |
| 20:48.05 | joss193 | balrog-kun: that is correct, but i do not know how to flash new bootloader at all |
| 20:49.24 | balrog-kun | good, that will save you from bricking the devic |
| 20:49.26 | balrog-kun | e |
| 20:49.51 | joss193 | i guess zaurus users do it with those hendge images |
| 20:50.09 | joss193 | and those altboot dirs are just copied to sd device |
| 21:01.29 | Tomoe | ^^^^^ great hax0r |
| 22:20.01 | joss193 | Toeme: thanks i am quite honored , pleased even so to speak |
| 22:20.18 | joss193 | http://zap.eltrast.ru/en/dell-linux.html |
| 22:21.02 | joss193 | same thing here actually some key function triggers restore image factory default.. |
| 22:21.35 | joss193 | i allready gave the device away though, so no way to brick it |
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