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02:51.34Jon_Jhello, anyone here?
02:54.35Jon_Janyone know when OESF forums will be back online?
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15:43.59FlimzyI just found someone to buy my PowerBook for $600... I'd like to put some of that money into a PDA of some sort, and based on my 2+ year old knowledge, Zaurus seems to be the best Linux-based option... Is this still true?  (I realize I'm asking in a possibly biased place... heh)
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15:52.40TomoeFlimzy: heh
15:52.50Tomoedepends on what you want from that pda
15:53.06FlimzyI'd *love* a phone/PDA that runs Linux
15:53.11Flimzybut I don't think those really exist yet
15:53.45Tomoegoogle for htc universal linux site:xda-developers.com
15:53.46FlimzySo... I'd like something that replaces my laptop... Wifi would be handy.  Basic internet applications (web, imap and ssh would be the essentials)
15:54.13TomoeZaurus has become a bad solution lately
15:54.13FlimzyA USB host controller would be great so I can use my mobile phone for Internet when I'm not in range of wifi
15:54.22Tomoecompared with the rest
15:54.24Flimzyokay
15:54.29TomoeI do own one
15:54.38Tomoebut I hate it with a passion lol
15:54.42Flimzyhaha
15:54.47Flimzywhat would you buy?
15:54.57hrw|workOpenmoko.com
15:55.13hrw|worklinux, phone, 350 usd
15:55.19hrw|work2007 january ship
15:55.25Tomoehtc universal, htc hermes, maybe even that new kohjinsha micro-laptop
15:55.58Flimzyhrw|work: how well does it work?  What mobile providers does it work with?
15:56.34TomoeFlimzy: if all you're looking for is a laptop replacement, check this kohjinsha micro-laptop, it's got a 7 inch screen or so
15:56.42Tomoelaptop/tablet form
15:56.56Tomoex86 compatible but with great battery life
15:57.07Tomoebecause the processor is megaslow, of course
15:57.09Tomoelol
15:57.19Flimzyhrm.
15:57.26Flimzydo you have a URL for that?  
15:57.34Flimzygoogle isn't immediately helpful.
15:57.52Flimzyoh, I found it
15:58.06Flimzy$1200
15:58.07Flimzyhmm
15:58.14Flimzya bit out of my budget... heh
15:58.20Tomoehehe
15:58.22Flimzymight be worth saving up for, tho
15:58.24Tomoe1200?
15:58.34Flimzyhttp://www.geekstuff4u.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=&products_id=445
15:58.44FlimzyIf that's the one you're talking about... $1273.68
15:58.48Tomoein japan it goes for 90 thousand yen which is like 800-850 dollars
15:58.51Flimzyhas an 80gb hd... that's more than I need.
15:59.01Tomoeit is but Im sure you can get it cheaper
15:59.02FlimzyIs the keyboard useable?
15:59.07hrw|workFlimzy: it will be shipped in january so I do not know how it works. and it is GSM unlocked
15:59.15Tomoedunno, only read the reviews
15:59.34Flimzyhrw|work: I usa CDMA provider :/
15:59.34TomoeFlimzy: check the htc universal too
15:59.34Tomoelinux is getting usable on it
16:00.31Flimzylooks like just a monochrome display?
16:00.39Flimzywhich isn't necissarily a deterrant for me...
16:00.50Tomoewhich one, htc?
16:00.53Flimzyyeah
16:00.54Tomoeit's full-color
16:01.00Flimzymaybe that's just the model I saw pictured
16:01.59FlimzyI see other pictures in color now.
16:02.02Flimzydo you use one of those?
16:02.06Tomoeno
16:02.11Tomoebut I want to
16:02.12Tomoe=)
16:03.22TomoeFlimzy: keep in mind that with that kohjinsha laptop, proc speed is equivalent to PII-350MHz or so
16:03.45Flimzythat's more than sufficient for most of what I do.
16:03.55FlimzyI was considering just buying a slower laptop after selling mine
16:03.59Flimzy1.5Ghz is way overkill
16:04.05FlimzyI'd rather have a little extra $ than a extra Mhz :)
16:04.17Flimzybut then decided I'd look into a pda instead
16:05.20Tomoewell this might be a perfect solution then
16:05.33Tomoeit has juice enough to play dvds and divxs
16:05.45Flimzyhehe
16:06.01Flimzywoot, I can watch BSG on the couch while my girlfriend watches Desperate Housewives, now :P
16:06.52Flimzydoes the linux support for the htc universal allow using the device as a phone?
16:07.45balrog-kuni think the green phone from trolltech is already in shops
16:07.56hrw|workbalrog-kun: for 700 usd
16:08.32balrog-kunthat's about what the new Zaurus costs iirc
16:09.54TomoeFlimzy: yeah, but not completely
16:09.59Tomoethey're still working on it
16:10.06Tomoethey can make the calls and receive them I think
16:10.15Flimzynot completely?  So what, I can talk but not listen or something? :P
16:12.03FlimzyI think I may be forced to change cell phone companies
16:12.08Flimzyif I want a Linux phone
16:12.09Tomoeit's a work-in-progress
16:12.14Tomoejust like the whole linux idea
16:12.16Tomoelol
16:13.29FlimzyI may abandon the linux-phone idea
16:13.31Flimzyand just go with a pda
16:13.57Flimzythen when a good linux phone exists, I can sell my pda for 10% of what I paid for it
16:13.58Flimzy:P
16:15.42FlimzyTomoe: Why do you dislike your zaurus, BTW?
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16:22.13TomoeFlimzy: too limited, hardware-wise
16:22.31Tomoeand too dispersed, software-wise
16:22.49Tomoefor example the best distribution for my needs is OZ/Opie
16:22.55Tomoebut it doesn't have japanese input
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16:23.15Tomoeand none of the distributions beside sharprom have handwriting recognition for japanese
16:23.58Flimzyhmm
16:24.03FlimzyI don't know Japanese, so that won't matter
16:24.08Flimzyspanish support could be handy, tho
16:24.19Flimzybut that uses essentially the same alphabet as english anyway
16:24.27Flimzyso handwriting recognition shouldn't be an issue
16:25.40FlimzyHave you used one of the Kohjinsha devices before?
16:25.47Flimzy800x480 resolution seems rather limiting
16:26.08Flimzybut I suppose it's better than any pda out there
16:30.03Flimzythe 40gb model is still $1017.63
16:30.05Flimzydang
16:33.59Tomoewell, you can probably get it for less, Flimzy
16:34.13Tomoegeekstuff4u was never cheap
16:34.14Tomoelol
16:34.19Flimzyother price listings seem to be in the $1000 range, too
16:34.41FlimzyI should look at other linux tablets
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16:44.08Tomoeok, Flimzy
16:44.09Tomoe=)
16:44.19TomoeI doubt you're going to find anything cheaper
16:44.32FlimzyI'm not finding anything the same size or smaller
16:44.51Flimzyso that looks like the best bet if I choose to go the tablet route
16:45.11Tomoekeep in mind that it doesn't have a touchscreen
16:45.12Tomoelol
16:45.16Flimzyyes, I noticed that.
16:45.25Flimzythat makes the tablet functionality nearly worthless.
16:45.34FlimzyBut it would still make for a wonderful small form factor laptop
16:45.46Flimzythat's the main thing I liked about my 12" powerbook... the small form factor
16:45.52Tomoewell, not for lazy browsing and movies watching
16:45.56FlimzyI might go for a 12.1" used dell
16:46.09Flimzyto me, lazy browsing is all about key shortcuts
16:46.12Flimzymice are evil :P
16:46.18Tomoeyour mom is evil
16:46.25FlimzyYou know her, too?
16:46.42Tomoe<-- mozless + Hit-A-Hint foreva
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