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| 08:03.04 | bam_ | morning |
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| 08:04.05 | bam_ | what does it take to play wmv files with mplayer |
| 08:04.47 | hrw|work | on zaurus? |
| 08:04.58 | hrw|work | which kind of wmv? there are many formats |
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| 13:56.17 | Tomoe | HY |
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| 16:23.53 | Nick23 | Hi |
| 16:24.33 | Nick23 | i have bought a Zaurus C700, what do you think is the best Operative System for this PDA???? |
| 16:31.59 | rikkus | OS X |
| 16:33.53 | Nick23 | OS X???? |
| 16:47.28 | balrog-kun | HPUX |
| 16:49.04 | Nick23 | these operative have been ported to zaurus c700???? |
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| 16:50.22 | balrog-kun | they were originally made for c700 but later were ported to computers |
| 16:51.58 | Nick23 | where can i see screenshots of HPUX ???? |
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| 16:55.10 | Nick23 | HPUX is a commercial product??? |
| 16:55.28 | Kevin` | aye |
| 16:55.35 | Kevin` | well, more like was |
| 16:55.55 | Kevin` | anyone who buys hpux now.. :( |
| 16:56.47 | Nick23 | i dont want to by anything :) |
| 16:57.14 | Kevin` | I mean, its kind of a dead product |
| 16:58.01 | Nick23 | Ooohhh but balrog-kun say it is the best OS for zaurus. |
| 16:58.02 | Nick23 | :) |
| 16:58.15 | Kevin` | lol |
| 16:59.16 | Nick23 | i guess balrog is ... a little freak, :), ... OK like me XD |
| 16:59.48 | Kevin` | does it even run on zaurus? |
| 17:00.33 | Nick23 | He say : <balrog-kun>they were originally made for c700 but later were ported to computers |
| 17:00.46 | Kevin` | lol |
| 17:00.57 | Nick23 | I'm not sure about that jejeje, i guess orginal OS of zaurus was pdaXrom |
| 17:01.03 | Kevin` | it was made long before c700 existed |
| 17:01.13 | Kevin` | maybe before sharp existed? |
| 17:01.36 | Kevin` | the original os is sharp's one |
| 17:01.39 | Nick23 | I'm not very familiar with japaness product that have never arrived formally to europe |
| 17:01.47 | Kevin` | cacko is similar to that |
| 17:02.10 | Kevin` | OZ is completely un-similar :) |
| 17:02.17 | Nick23 | i have not tested cacko, now i'm testing OZ. |
| 17:02.21 | Kevin` | pdaxrom in between |
| 17:02.28 | Kevin` | I like OZ |
| 17:03.03 | Kevin` | using it now actually, |
| 17:03.10 | Kevin` | in the hallway at school |
| 17:03.18 | Nick23 | Ok :), i have had some problems with my wifi card but now it works fine . Now i'm testing application for OZ |
| 17:04.40 | Nick23 | i'd like to install gaim but feed of qpe-gaim dont work for me , i'm trying to install it manually using ipkg |
| 17:05.02 | Nick23 | are ther other easy to install/use message msn application for OZ??? |
| 17:05.17 | Kevin` | hmm |
| 17:05.29 | Kevin` | gaim is in my package list with default repos |
| 17:05.54 | Kevin` | *installs gaim* |
| 17:06.49 | Nick23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.53 | Nick23 | dont find anything |
| 17:06.54 | Nick23 | for me |
| 17:07.07 | Nick23 | what ipkg repository do you have??? |
| 17:07.18 | Kevin` | I did the equivalent of ipkg list |grep gaim |
| 17:08.01 | Nick23 | what sources do you have in /etc/ipkg.conf???? |
| 17:08.23 | Nick23 | do you have added extra sources in OZ?? i have the default list |
| 17:09.10 | Kevin` | I just have the defaults.. the sources are listed in /var/lib/ipkg/*, no in the file directly, on here |
| 17:10.04 | Kevin` | hmm wait |
| 17:10.12 | Kevin` | thats not the right place |
| 17:10.33 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.59 | Nick23 | in /etc/ipkg/* i dont have anything |
| 17:12.26 | Nick23 | in /var/lib/ipkg/ there are the info information readed for all sources list. (OK The information readed for ipkg update) |
| 17:12.47 | Nick23 | and in /etc/ipkg.conf there are the sources that are read when ipkg update is executed |
| 17:13.00 | Kevin` | you are probably using a different version, for different hardware |
| 17:13.26 | Nick23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.32 | Nick23 | is now installing gaim |
| 17:13.36 | Kevin` | gpe |
| 17:13.39 | Kevin` | ? |
| 17:13.40 | Nick23 | mmhhh but ipkg search dont find it |
| 17:13.42 | Kevin` | or qpe |
| 17:13.46 | Nick23 | qpe |
| 17:13.47 | Nick23 | sorrey |
| 17:13.47 | Nick23 | :) |
| 17:13.49 | Nick23 | sorry |
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| 17:41.04 | zzz | hola |
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| 18:20.27 | BlackHat | yO! |
| 18:21.08 | BlackHat | Can anyone give me a hand here with my C1000? |
| 18:33.38 | frostschutz | depends. where do you live? if it's too far away my hand may not be able to reach ;-) |
| 18:45.03 | Tomoe | BlackHat: what do you need? |
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| 19:32.44 | BlackHat- | Ahh, sorry i was away. |
| 19:33.05 | BlackHat- | I tried to install pdaXrom and encountred several problems |
| 19:34.45 | BlackHat- | i installed U-Boot, the emergency system boots and that's great, i see the good old command line |
| 19:34.45 | BlackHat- | But what next??? |
| 19:38.53 | BlackHat- | Tried inserting an SD with pdaXrom images and following the instructions but nothing happens, just the console loads up |
| 19:46.58 | BlackHat- | is anybody out there??? |
| 19:49.07 | Tomoe | nope |
| 19:49.08 | Tomoe | =P |
| 19:51.08 | BlackHat- | Damn :) |
| 19:54.46 | BlackHat- | So... umm... is anyone of those who's not here know what the problem might be? |
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| 20:07.44 | BlackHat- | plz? |
| 20:11.28 | BlackHat- | Well thanx for help. |
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| 20:39.58 | Tomoe | BlackHat: well, I for one installed pdaxrom only once |
| 20:40.07 | Tomoe | followed the instruction on site and all went well |
| 20:40.12 | Tomoe | are you doing the same? =P |
| 20:40.24 | BlackHat | Well i tried |
| 20:41.03 | BlackHat | It was written that i'm supposed to see a question about pdaXrom installation |
| 20:41.11 | BlackHat | but i didn't |
| 20:41.18 | BlackHat | just got the console |
| 20:42.03 | Tomoe | then you're obviously not smart enough for pdaxrom |
| 20:42.06 | Tomoe | =P |
| 20:42.46 | BlackHat | maybe so, but that's not an answer or a solution |
| 20:44.20 | Tomoe | you want a solution? |
| 20:47.39 | BlackHat | for some reason i expect the solution to be sarcastic |
| 20:48.09 | BlackHat | but if it's not then i would |
| 20:49.06 | Tomoe | well, put some salt in water and you'll get a solution AND it won't be sarcastic |
| 20:49.43 | BlackHat | Thank you. |
| 20:51.10 | Tomoe | no problem |
| 20:51.25 | Tomoe | anyways looking at the site just now |
| 20:51.39 | Tomoe | you went by the 'quick install for cxx00' method? |
| 20:51.53 | BlackHat | Yes. |
| 20:54.45 | Tomoe | this page http://mail.pdaxrom.org/docs/installation/quickguide ? |
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| 20:55.37 | Tomoe | have you checked it? |
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| 20:55.59 | BlackHat | indeed |
| 20:56.16 | BlackHat | i saw that page |
| 20:57.11 | Tomoe | well I followed those instructions and made it |
| 20:57.20 | Tomoe | which step did you manage to come to? |
| 20:57.52 | Tomoe | it seems to me you forgot about step12 |
| 20:57.55 | BlackHat | have you got the japanese menu? |
| 20:58.27 | BlackHat | i get pdaXrom emergency system |
| 20:58.37 | BlackHat | after OK+AC |
| 21:00.35 | Tomoe | hm |
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| 21:00.42 | Tomoe | you had pdaxrom on it before? |
| 21:02.16 | BlackHat | No, i used a low-level-something to install U-Boot |
| 21:02.27 | BlackHat | http://mail.pdaxrom.org/node/106 |
| 21:02.37 | Tomoe | rofl |
| 21:02.49 | Tomoe | now that was dumb |
| 21:02.59 | BlackHat | After the desktop Linux i had the impression that i need "LILO" |
| 21:03.18 | BlackHat | Yes that perhaps was stupid |
| 21:05.04 | Tomoe | you have one 'perhaps' more than you need over there |
| 21:05.23 | Tomoe | you can always reflash a firmware image |
| 21:05.44 | Tomoe | did you save a firmware image before doing this? |
| 21:06.46 | BlackHat | I can always get it from Trisoft (downloading now) |
| 21:07.01 | BlackHat | Then restore through D+M |
| 21:07.51 | BlackHat | I learned using D+M only after installing U-Boot |
| 21:08.21 | BlackHat | Which also was stupid, although fun. Things are not fun when they go right. |
| 21:08.54 | Tomoe | yes trisoft has the default images |
| 21:09.41 | Tomoe | anyways for the pdaxrom emergency system you just need to figure out what's the name of that setup script they use and run it manually I guess |
| 21:09.42 | BlackHat | I can't install pdaXrom from that emergency system? |
| 21:09.52 | Tomoe | you should be able to |
| 21:10.11 | Tomoe | I just never did it so can't guide you through that method |
| 21:10.11 | BlackHat | gmm..... |
| 21:10.29 | Tomoe | when did you buy the zaurus? |
| 21:11.47 | BlackHat | Yesterday :) |
| 21:12.50 | BlackHat | After 7 years on PalmOS and 3 years on WM |
| 21:12.50 | Tomoe | ugh |
| 21:12.50 | Tomoe | anyways |
| 21:13.36 | Tomoe | oesf.org oesf.org/forums killefiz.de/zaurus elsix.org |
| 21:14.32 | BlackHat | Ugu, been there already, waiting for authorization |
| 21:15.08 | Tomoe | I would recommend openzaurus |
| 21:15.28 | Tomoe | with opie gui subsystem |
| 21:15.33 | BlackHat | Why so? |
| 21:15.49 | Tomoe | very slick and can use almost all apps intended for the original sharprom |
| 21:16.07 | Tomoe | there's also the opie gpe which is pretty much the same thing as pdaxrom |
| 21:16.42 | Tomoe | I personally am on Cacko rom which is a tuned up sharprom with a newer and optimized kernel |
| 21:17.02 | BlackHat | pdaXrom attracts me with the easiness that OSS projects can be ported from the Big Brother Linux to the Zaurus |
| 21:17.05 | Tomoe | but the only reason for that is that openzaurus/opie has no japanese input |
| 21:17.24 | Tomoe | heh |
| 21:17.37 | Tomoe | ease of porting + ease of use = const |
| 21:17.37 | Sketch | Tomoe: which model zaurus are you using? |
| 21:17.41 | BlackHat | Umm... i'm not much of a Japanese expert :) Domo! |
| 21:17.49 | BlackHat | C1000 |
| 21:17.59 | Tomoe | Sketch: same as the brother over here |
| 21:18.03 | BlackHat | oops |
| 21:18.10 | Sketch | i was just unsuccessful in getting japanese working properly on my 3100 |
| 21:18.56 | BlackHat | I thought that Jap works fine with Zaurii and Cacko |
| 21:19.19 | Sketch | CRIM works, but keyboard input doesn't, and certain apps crash whenever a widget with non-ascii text is focused (like the default description for wireless networks in the network applet) |
| 21:20.07 | Tomoe | oz/gpe? |
| 21:20.28 | Sketch | on cacko |
| 21:20.33 | Tomoe | cacko |
| 21:20.43 | Tomoe | um |
| 21:20.58 | Tomoe | I use the default sharp's input methods |
| 21:21.32 | Sketch | hmm...does kana input with the keyboard work? |
| 21:22.01 | Tomoe | yes |
| 21:22.06 | Sketch | hmm |
| 21:22.09 | Tomoe | and conversion and everything |
| 21:22.13 | Tomoe | how did you install them? |
| 21:22.26 | Sketch | i tried the directions that were pinned on the forum |
| 21:22.47 | Tomoe | could you link me please? |
| 21:23.10 | BlackHat | offtop, i know that Japanese has 3 alphabets, Hiragana, Katakan and Kanji, is Kanji still being used in Japan? i mean in everyday life |
| 21:23.25 | Sketch | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=16808 |
| 21:23.26 | BlackHat | Katakana |
| 21:23.33 | Tomoe | BlackHat: yes |
| 21:24.35 | BlackHat | But the Zaurus has only Katakana and Hiragana, as i understand that is enough. So where is Kanji used? |
| 21:24.46 | Sketch | gotta run, afk |
| 21:25.02 | Sketch | Tomoe: if you have any suggestions, i'll be glad to read them when i get back :) |
| 21:28.36 | Tomoe | BlackHat: the zaurus has only a qwerty latin input marked |
| 21:29.01 | Tomoe | you input syllables with it which are converted to matching katakana/hiragana |
| 21:29.21 | Tomoe | then you can process that hiragana to turn it into kanjis |
| 21:29.49 | Tomoe | software handles that |
| 21:29.57 | BlackHat | Yeah i know, i managed to do so before i wrecked my SharpROM. |
| 21:30.02 | BlackHat | ahhh... |
| 21:30.13 | BlackHat | i see. |
| 21:30.16 | Tomoe | so you type げんき |
| 21:30.29 | Tomoe | or you can type it and then press enter |
| 21:30.35 | Tomoe | and you get 元気 |
| 21:30.36 | BlackHat | Gotta practice my Japanese :) |
| 21:30.46 | Tomoe | erm |
| 21:30.48 | Tomoe | *press space |
| 21:31.58 | BlackHat | well i can't do that right now and the only Kanji i know is vampire |
| 21:32.13 | BlackHat | it's Evil Spirit + Suck Blood |
| 21:33.37 | Tomoe | lol |
| 21:34.30 | Tomoe | the other way around actually |
| 21:35.07 | BlackHat | So how do i say "I'm a proud Zaurus owner!" |
| 21:35.08 | BlackHat | i can teach you saying the same in the native language of the developer of Cacko :) |
| 21:35.42 | BlackHat | makes sense actually. |
| 21:37.32 | Tomoe | ti russki ponyimayesh? |
| 21:38.00 | BlackHat | Yeah, i also understand Hebrew and Spanish :) |
| 21:38.23 | BlackHat | and bits of many other Langs |
| 21:39.31 | Tomoe | jack of all trades and master of none huh |
| 21:39.33 | Tomoe | well |
| 21:40.33 | BlackHat | Well you can't say i don't master Eng/Heb/Rus, otherwise no one would hire me as a translator |
| 21:40.53 | Tomoe | ザウルスを！ |
| 21:40.57 | Tomoe | erm |
| 21:41.06 | Tomoe | ugh bloody mlterm |
| 21:41.18 | Tomoe | ザウルスを得得に有する |
| 21:41.26 | BlackHat | bloody who? |
| 21:41.36 | Tomoe | my terminal emulator app |
| 21:41.56 | Tomoe | uses uim but sometimes I get artifacts |
| 21:41.59 | Tomoe | such as phantom spaces |
| 21:42.10 | Tomoe | need to spend some more time setting fonts up |
| 21:42.19 | Tomoe | might as well use urxvt if that's the case |
| 21:42.38 | Tomoe | so you work as a translator? |
| 21:43.13 | BlackHat | That too, part time, i'm a programmer mainly |
| 21:43.23 | Tomoe | heh |
| 21:43.36 | Tomoe | so how'd you get into it? |
| 21:43.39 | BlackHat | Embedded stuff like 8051, ARM and the likes |
| 21:43.59 | BlackHat | Into programming or tranlating? |
| 21:44.10 | BlackHat | translating |
| 21:46.48 | Tomoe | translating |
| 21:46.55 | Tomoe | and programming =)) |
| 21:48.00 | Tomoe | brb, need to put some beans in water to soak |
| 21:48.49 | BlackHat | Both i liked since early childhood and both i learned at early age. Later people noticed that perhaps i'm not hopeless and hired me. Now i develop measuring systems for Nuclear Plants and work in the largest trasnlation agency in Saint-Petersburg :) |
| 21:49.52 | BlackHat | Beforehand i lived in few other countries which was nice and very interesting |
| 21:50.16 | BlackHat | Few years in Japan would be great |
| 21:50.53 | Tomoe | heh |
| 21:50.56 | Tomoe | good |
| 21:51.01 | Tomoe | ok, beans! |
| 21:51.48 | BlackHat | thnx i'm not hungry and generally hate beans |
| 21:54.10 | BlackHat | k gotta go |
| 21:54.14 | BlackHat | cya |
| 21:54.18 | balrog-kun | i hate beans too |
| 21:54.39 | balrog-kun | if there existed a movement for elimination of beans i would join |
| 21:54.51 | Tomoe | beans > you |
| 21:55.00 | Tomoe | bye BlackHat, talk to you later |
| 21:55.07 | Tomoe | gonna be on here tomorrow? |
| 21:55.20 | BlackHat | yes |
| 21:55.23 | balrog-kun | :-| |
| 21:56.47 | BlackHat | Hail to WWOBH (World Wide Organization of Bean Haters) |
| 21:59.58 | Tomoe | so |
| 22:00.05 | Tomoe | what's the deal with all the bean hate |
| 22:16.12 | balrog-kun | i think it's the taste |
| 22:16.23 | balrog-kun | and the smell too |
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| 22:24.52 | hyrlvlrec | new zaurus, check it out at my blog |
| 22:24.54 | hyrlvlrec | http://www.ministryoftech.com/2006/10/09/new-sharp-zaurus-rd-cmp2000r/#more-545 |
| 22:29.34 | Tomoe | rofl@spam |
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