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00:13.12arrummzenCan a Zaurus boot of and run of a CF/SD card?
00:13.28arrummzenFor example, something like a live CD? (But a live CF card)?
00:14.01arrummzenIt might be desireable to do something like this if the internal flash goes bad.
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00:56.50agaffneyarrummzen: yes, with altboot
00:57.00agaffneybut it doesn't boot directly off the CF/SD
01:56.42arrummzenwhat do you mean?
01:57.48arrummzenI mean, what does it boot directly off of?
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03:06.53agaffneyarrummzen: it boots directly from the internal memory
03:07.09agaffneyof course, my knowledge is limited to the collie
03:07.14agaffneynewer models may be different
03:14.59arrummzenSo, if the flash fails, a Zaurus is basicly dead?
03:16.00punk-assflash rarely fails unless abused
03:16.11punk-assit is not like a hard drive
03:28.43agaffneyon the collie, the internal "flash" isn't really flash
03:28.53agaffneyafaik, it's battery-backed RAM
03:29.18agaffneythat's what the system boots off of
03:29.53agaffneythere's also the ROM, but that's only used for writing an image to the "internal storage" (mentioned above) when it's blank
03:32.03punk-assif you are using an official sharp "rom"
03:32.16punk-assrom is used like cable modem, its not really a modem
03:32.30arrummzenagaffney, which model number(s) is the collie?
03:32.34punk-assrom means read only memory, and it really is writable
03:33.00punk-assbut that angel thing is flash memory
03:34.01punk-assif you use OZ or other roms that give you all 64MB of ram as ram, not storage, the internal flash is ised for writing
03:34.28punk-assbut the internal flash is so tiny it should only be used for booting, and an sd/mmc used for apps and data
03:34.39punk-assarrummzen: SL-5500
03:36.07arrummzenhmm... I am going to try to buy a SL-C860 to replace my SL-C760 that died about 6 months ago (Using the Jappanese Charger in the US =/)
03:37.29arrummzenSo, I would get longre flash life if I stick with the Sharp ROM?
03:37.29DrBoBwhy not the c1000?
03:39.10arrummzenWell, the C860 is exactly the same hardware as the C760 right? I need the batterys to be compatable, I am going to see if I can use the new one to charge a battery for the old one.
03:39.32punk-assif the flash has 100,000 write cycles, that would mean you could write the entire size of the flash every day for 273 years, right?
03:39.52arrummzenpunk-ass, what if you write more than once?
03:39.57arrummzenper day?
03:40.08punk-assbut like I said, the flash is so tiny you would be better off getting a nice big SD/MMC card and write to that instead
03:40.11arrummzenI know the filesystem distributes writes, but still...
03:40.29arrummzenI already have a 1GB SD and 1GB CF card.
03:40.32punk-assarrummzen: i mean writing to the entire flash (most writes are not even close to enough to fill the flash)
03:41.52arrummzenI could probably make the internal flash RO?
03:42.09punk-assyes that is how I do mine
03:42.15agaffneyarrummzen: 5500
03:42.19punk-assit has useful apps on it (e2fsck etc)
03:42.19arrummzenI used pdaXrom on my SL-C760, I think that is what I will try to install on the SL-C860 if/when I get it.
03:42.24punk-assstays ro the entire time
03:42.35punk-assand it mounts the mmc, pivot_root's to that
03:42.40punk-assand the mmc is mounted rw
03:42.49arrummzenThat is what I would like to be able to do.
03:43.17agaffneymany people do that
03:45.10arrummzenok, thank you for the info.
03:48.22DrBoBI know that the battery and power adaptor for the SL-5500 is useable in the C1000....
03:49.56DrBoBthe C1000 battery is somewhat thicker..but otherwise the same size and with the same contacts
03:51.23DrBoBso you would have to wedge a  little foam rubber behind the SL-5500 battery to keep it in place inside the C1000
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05:44.03tnfiddlerHello
05:46.57tnfiddleranyone up?
05:51.06punk-assyes
05:51.07punk-asshi
05:52.53tnfiddlerCool.  I think I just borked by Z.
05:53.15punk-asswhats it doing?
05:53.26punk-assand what model is it?
05:53.54tnfiddlerC1000, Sharp ROM, after first boot screen, get mknod errors
05:54.25tnfiddlerthen INIT Id "ln" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes
05:54.50tnfiddlerhad just got a new USB bluetooth dongle working
05:55.31punk-assso no gui or bash?
05:55.45tnfiddlernope, it just flickers, then repeats the last message
05:55.54tnfiddlerhave to use the battery button to turn it off
05:55.57punk-asswhat rom?
05:56.03punk-asser nm
05:56.12punk-assso yeah I guess you will need to reflash
05:56.16tnfiddlerwell
05:56.29tnfiddlerI could get into shell with D + B
05:56.57punk-asshave you tried reversing your changes?
05:57.03punk-asshow familiar with linux are you?
05:57.13tnfiddlerI pretty good with linux
05:57.22punk-assok
05:57.34tnfiddlerjust not familiar with the Z
05:57.49punk-assI was just going to say when I was learning linux (on PCs) I shamelessly reinstalled often after breaking things :)
05:58.36tnfiddleryeah, but I'm a fearless tinkerer, I love rooting around in my patients till I bring'm back
05:58.53punk-assso is there anything holding you back from a reinstall, like data that needs to be backed up?
05:59.28tnfiddleryeah, got business data on there
06:00.03tnfiddlerand several months of customization
06:00.05tnfiddlerugh
06:00.10punk-assi'm a collie (sl-5500) user
06:00.19punk-assbut from what ive seen on the forums
06:00.30punk-asssome of the newer models have an option to dump internal flash to CF
06:00.41punk-assin that special menu, cant remember the name
06:01.13tnfiddlerHmm, I could go buy one
06:01.20punk-assoh no CF?
06:01.33tnfiddlerwould the dump overwrite?  or just add data?
06:01.39punk-ass1GB is like $20, not bad at all
06:01.44tnfiddleryeah
06:01.55punk-assi'm not sure, but I assume it would be just dumped as a single file
06:02.07punk-asswhich could then be mounted with mount -o loop
06:02.10Kevin`it writes to a single file on fat fs
06:02.16tnfiddlersweet
06:02.18Kevin`(the dump)
06:02.36tnfiddlerthis is my portable office/development tool
06:02.41Kevin`there is also a restore option, so its a good idea to use that
06:03.07tnfiddlerare you familiar with the Z's boot sequence?
06:03.26Kevin`d and m keys while powering on (initial/reboot, not suspend)
06:03.45Kevin`only slightly am I familiar
06:03.47punk-assboot as in the custom zaurus boot loader, or the init scripts?
06:04.02Kevin`it boots from rom, then switches to a point in flash
06:04.39tnfiddlerhmm, b/c the error seems related to mknod commands for bluetooth serial /dev files
06:04.43tnfiddlermknod: /dev/rfcomm31: Read-only file system
06:04.53tnfiddlerand #s 1-30 before it
06:05.08Kevin`are you using one of the Z with a hdd?
06:05.17tnfiddlernope
06:05.27punk-assah init scripts
06:05.36punk-assyeah looks like you put it too early in the boot process
06:06.42tnfiddlerit's strange, as I think I've rebooted once with no problem not too long ago.  Then I seemed to overwhelm the BT with data, and it locked up.
06:06.47tnfiddlerAnd now this.
06:06.55punk-assI would just recommend disabling all of the new changes
06:07.00punk-assentirely
06:07.00tnfiddlerwhere would I look for the scripts?
06:07.06punk-assrather than trying to fix it
06:07.12punk-ass/etc/rc*
06:07.13Kevin`jffs2 behaves badle when full.. I couldnt even delete things :o
06:07.26tnfiddlerlemme see if I can get a df
06:07.52Kevin`oh, if yours is like mine, theres a recovery console with a different key sequence.. what was that..
06:07.54punk-assKevin`: couldn't remove things with rm or ipkg?
06:08.04Kevin`punk-ass ya
06:08.10punk-assKevin`: both?
06:08.19Kevin`well rm
06:08.22punk-assoh wow
06:08.35Kevin`cannot remove, no free space
06:08.39Kevin`or similar
06:08.53Kevin`what was the key for the recovery console..
06:09.56Kevin`d and b keys
06:10.17tnfiddleryeah just got in there
06:10.53tnfiddlerhmm df says toorfs is 100% used
06:11.00tnfiddlererr, rootfs
06:11.14tnfiddlerand /dev/root is 100%
06:11.33Kevin`that console uses a different fs then oz I think..
06:11.40Kevin`at least on mine it does
06:12.22Kevin`(when I was using the flash.. right now everything is on the microdrive)
06:13.37tnfiddlerwhat /dev would the flash be?
06:14.04Kevin`random guess from memory.. mtdblock4
06:14.37tnfiddlernope
06:14.46tnfiddlergonna dig for a min
06:15.01Kevin`try 2
06:15.10Kevin`on my z, it says..
06:15.46Kevin`(getting a remote console..)
06:15.56Kevin`# cat /proc/mtd
06:15.56Kevin`dev:    size   erasesize  name
06:15.57Kevin`mtd0: 006b0000 00020000 "Boot PROM Filesystem"
06:15.57Kevin`mtd1: 00700000 00020000 "System Area"
06:15.57Kevin`mtd2: 02000000 00020000 "Root Filesystem"
06:15.57Kevin`mtd3: 05900000 00020000 "Home Filesystem"
06:16.01Kevin`Oh.. duh
06:16.05Kevin`try that command :)
06:16.47tnfiddleraha, mtd0: Filesystem
06:16.54tnfiddlermtd1: smf
06:17.00tnfiddlermtd2: root
06:17.07tnfiddlermtd3: home
06:17.57tnfiddlerwhat type of filesystem does the Z use?
06:18.04Kevin`jff2 most likely
06:18.10Kevin`mount should detect it automatically
06:18.46Kevin`jffs2*
06:19.56Kevin`in recovery, mine says the same as yours
06:20.17tnfiddlerit wants to mount on a block device
06:20.26Kevin`what did you try?
06:21.20tnfiddleruh /mnt
06:21.26Kevin`I did
06:21.26tnfiddlerand /mnt/test
06:21.29Kevin`mkdir /mnt/1
06:21.34tnfiddler<PROTECTED>
06:21.37Kevin`mount /dev/mtdblock2 /mnt/1
06:21.47Kevin`and it worked
06:21.59Kevin`dunno which filesystem it's showing, but it's a root one :)
06:22.13tnfiddlerdoh
06:22.22tnfiddlermtdblock#
06:22.26tnfiddlernot mtd#
06:23.18tnfiddlerthat worked
06:23.49Kevin`I wonder which install this is.. it's definitely not the recover one, but I use the CF ide for root
06:23.54Kevin`could be the original one
06:24.36Kevin`oh, pdaxrom
06:24.38Kevin`heh :)
06:25.21tnfiddleryou multi-boot?
06:25.44Kevin`no, it's just left over from the previous install
06:25.59Kevin`current OZ uses only the kernel in flash
06:26.02Kevin`(for this model)
06:28.07tnfiddlerhuh, I tried to mount mtdblock0, the Filesystem one, and it says Permission denied
06:29.07Kevin`same
06:29.08Kevin`hmm
06:30.46tnfiddleraha, so the root etc is sym linked to home/etc, which I have mounted on t2
06:30.58tnfiddlerand I'm in
06:31.02tnfiddlersweet, thanks
06:31.17tnfiddlernow, I still gotta figure out how to undo what I did
06:31.36tnfiddleri learn so much more this way
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15:35.44gnouhello
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17:59.29gnousomeone can giveme a screenshot software for zaurus ?
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20:05.58arrummzengnou, are you running an X11 servre?
20:06.04arrummzen(like pdaXrom)?
20:08.44gnouyes arrummzen
20:12.59arrummzencan't you just do "import -window root myScreenShot.jpg" ?
20:14.45gnouok i try
20:15.36gnouimport : command not found
20:16.47arrummzenwell, does your Zaurus connected to a network?
20:17.44arrummzenif yes, you can use a tool on another workstation to extract the image (probably more convienet), if not, you will have to install a tool (or build one) to make the screen shot.
20:23.53gnoui am conneccyed to the internet but not to a local network
20:26.31arrummzenwell, try looking around for a screen shot tool. I haven't used it in a while, but I think pdaxrom has a package tool that lets you install packages via the internet.
20:26.44arrummzenLook for a package that has a tool for takeing screenshots.
20:27.21gnouyes its what i am looking for
20:42.51chopstixhow well does pdaXrom suspend/resume?
20:43.01chopstixand how long does it take to boot up?
20:44.57arrummzenchopstix, it suspsends and resumes fast enough.
20:45.14arrummzenboot up takes a while, but you shouldn't have to do it that offten.
20:55.23gnoui dont find the package :[
21:00.56arrummzenYou sure? I would have thought someone would have packaged some kind of screenshot tool for pdaxrom.
21:01.06arrummzenYou can cross compile your own if you really must...
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23:34.36gnouarrummzen ?
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