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| 11:08.03 | HuggyBear | i have an SL5500 and after installing OZ 3.4.5 and discovering it's issues w/packages I'm back on the hunt for an OS. looking for suggestions/links |
| 11:08.59 | HuggyBear | i figure if i ask once or twice a day eventually someone will be on w/an opinion |
| 11:09.53 | hrw|work | HuggyBear: sharprom 2.37 worked ok |
| 11:10.18 | subdue | go back to sharprom and life will be happy |
| 11:10.26 | subdue | with oz expect lots of workage |
| 11:11.03 | HuggyBear | hrw|work: yeah, the sharprom was fine, i just wanted something that was more tweakable |
| 11:11.23 | hrw|work | HuggyBear: OZ or sharprom - there is no other choice |
| 11:11.33 | HuggyBear | subdue: do all of the OZ's have the same issue w/package loading? |
| 11:11.56 | hrw|work | and collie is pita when it comes to creating distro for it |
| 11:12.05 | HuggyBear | hrw|work: ok, i was going to do gentoo for zarus but found out that it was no longer supported |
| 11:12.38 | HuggyBear | hrw|work: so you would go back to the sharprom and stay there fer now |
| 11:12.57 | subdue | it's possible to get oz going, just a lot of pain too |
| 11:13.26 | hrw|work | gentoo for Z... madness |
| 11:13.28 | subdue | I'd stick with sharp until you get tired of it |
| 11:13.46 | HuggyBear | subdue: i got it going w/out too much trouble. but the version that i installed has a bug where it will not install package. no matter what space is available |
| 11:13.51 | hrw|work | OZ takes ~week on dual opteron - on 5500 it would take year? |
| 11:14.05 | subdue | installing oz itself isn't the issue |
| 11:14.09 | subdue | getting it to where you want to is |
| 11:14.18 | HuggyBear | subdue: good point |
| 11:15.40 | HuggyBear | the sharprom was just so boring, and there wasn't much in the way of opensource apps for it, skinning was next to impossible... but that was w/an older sharprom (like from when it came out) |
| 11:16.02 | subdue | not exactly true |
| 11:16.08 | HuggyBear | is the current sharprom still embeddix with 2.4 kernel |
| 11:16.30 | subdue | http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Zaurus_How-To_Docs#Zaurus_SL-5x00_Series_How-Tos |
| 11:16.33 | subdue | yes |
| 11:16.40 | HuggyBear | subdue: maybe i was just going to the wrong sites |
| 11:16.42 | HuggyBear | ty |
| 11:17.12 | subdue | oesf is also your friend |
| 11:17.39 | HuggyBear | subdue: creating an account as we speak |
| 11:17.58 | HuggyBear | much thanks for that link. |
| 11:18.01 | hrw|work | HuggyBear: collie is 2.4-embeddix crap only |
| 11:18.38 | subdue | most of what you want has already been answered on oesf. just have to search for it. most "newbies" tend to ask the same things over and over again on oesf |
| 11:19.18 | subdue | note: there's a specific howto create a theme or skin on the link I gave you |
| 11:19.18 | HuggyBear | the more i look at it, i should have never flashed until i did more research |
| 11:19.27 | HuggyBear | i was that |
| 11:19.33 | hrw|work | ~oesf |
| 11:19.35 | ibot | somebody said oesf was newer name of ZUG - it provide forum for Zaurus/Ipaq/Simpad/etc users (see zug). It has nothing common with OpenEmbedded (except first two words), or http://www.oesf.org/ |
| 11:19.40 | hrw|work | ~zug |
| 11:19.41 | ibot | from memory, zug is Zaurus User Group - probably the largest source of Zaurus (and other LinuxPDA) informations. Since 2005 it is called OESF. URL: http://www.oesf.org/ |
| 11:19.46 | subdue | sharprom isn't so bad. just have to look |
| 11:20.24 | subdue | the question is really what do you want to spend your time on? fiddling with the os, or fiddling with the apps? |
| 11:20.48 | HuggyBear | subdue: yep, that's prolly what i'm going to start at. also going to see about running os from sd card |
| 11:21.35 | HuggyBear | i have read that you can make better use of the processor doing it that way, dont' know |
| 11:22.07 | subdue | I'd leave the os on the Z. just prune it and install apps on the SD |
| 11:22.18 | subdue | use the CF for devices |
| 11:22.33 | HuggyBear | subdue: i fiddle w/OS's on my PC's so in all honesty I'd have to answer, fiddling w/apps |
| 11:22.44 | subdue | then you'd prefer the sharprom |
| 11:23.05 | subdue | you can move a lot to the SD after it's all installed |
| 11:23.21 | subdue | even if the app insists on installing on the Z, you can still move it to the SD mostly |
| 11:23.32 | HuggyBear | subdue: yep, and if i get bored it's not like it will ever have that much data to back-up |
| 11:24.06 | subdue | if you're interested, this is the page I made a while ago http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Applications_that_run_on_the_6000L/Sharp_ROM |
| 11:24.19 | subdue | it's for the 6K, but a number of things will also apply to the 5500 |
| 11:24.31 | subdue | so it can be a kind of guide |
| 11:25.24 | HuggyBear | i assume that it's behavior is like linux in the fs's/node's respect, IE: mount -t /xxx/xxx /zzz/zzz |
| 11:25.51 | HuggyBear | ty, now i have to create a folder for Z so in know wher BM's are :) |
| 11:26.29 | HuggyBear | and now that i look @ the link you just sent answers that |
| 11:27.22 | HuggyBear | so kernel on machine, then sd card for apps and anything else that would get large (/home for example) |
| 11:27.43 | subdue | and CF for devices |
| 11:28.00 | subdue | keep /home on the Z. link the files to the SD as needed |
| 11:28.24 | HuggyBear | as cheap as sd cards are these days, you could have a sd card for one type of applications, mail browser, etc and one for another, imgs, music,etc |
| 11:28.44 | subdue | really, you wont need that |
| 11:28.53 | HuggyBear | subdue: so keep base filesytem on Z |
| 11:28.57 | subdue | of course |
| 11:29.10 | subdue | you'd never use the CF the same time as you would listen to music |
| 11:29.20 | subdue | so you can use a CF card for your mp3, videos, etc |
| 11:29.34 | subdue | you have to think in terms of how you'd be using things |
| 11:30.08 | subdue | you might have another CF for your ipk |
| 11:30.11 | HuggyBear | why would yu not use the cf slote for say wifi and cf to runn xmms |
| 11:30.20 | HuggyBear | sd |
| 11:30.26 | HuggyBear | for xmms i mean |
| 11:30.28 | subdue | would you do wifi at the same time as listening to music on your card? |
| 11:31.21 | subdue | would you browse the web, and listen to music at the same time? |
| 11:31.22 | HuggyBear | i stream ogg's from my server @ home. so let's say i want to listen w/headphones here @ the office. the app xmms "could" be on the sd card |
| 11:31.32 | subdue | yes, the app would be there |
| 11:31.55 | subdue | I'm saying mp3's or oggs would reside on the CF |
| 11:32.11 | subdue | b/c you would never surf and try to listen to the mp3's at the same time |
| 11:32.12 | HuggyBear | the wifi device would still be in use to pick up the stream which would mena that both the cf and sd would be being used at the same time |
| 11:32.36 | subdue | what I'm talking about is "where do I store my mp3's?" |
| 11:32.39 | HuggyBear | so your saying that the Z couldn't hanlde that load |
| 11:32.46 | subdue | not on the SD, b/c it'd waste space |
| 11:32.50 | HuggyBear | ok, |
| 11:33.03 | subdue | why waste the SD space on mp3's? |
| 11:33.22 | subdue | think it through and you'll see what I mean |
| 11:33.23 | HuggyBear | i thought you meant that the two couldn't be used simultaneously (sd/cf) |
| 11:34.22 | HuggyBear | subdue: you are absolutley right, if you were using it like an ipod type deal that's exaclty the way you would use it. cf for the media and sd for the app |
| 11:35.18 | HuggyBear | i just got confused :) |
| 11:36.00 | subdue | you'll figure it out. browse those links |
| 11:36.06 | subdue | browse the forums on oesf |
| 11:36.29 | subdue | dont forget the links on the top of the oesf forums page too |
| 11:37.57 | HuggyBear | got a folder created and i emailed them to myself so that I can spend some real time reading when i get home tonight. |
| 11:38.14 | HuggyBear | this will be a great long weekend project :) |
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