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| 14:22.51 | Castroneves | i have everything ready to go openzaurus, w/gpe. the thing that is stopping me is that i don't know if i'm goin to be able ot use xmms w/gpe |
| 14:23.22 | Castroneves | it and ssh |
| 14:26.27 | hrw|work | OZ does not have xmms and will not have |
| 14:26.38 | hrw|work | we avoid gtk1 as much as possible |
| 14:27.04 | Castroneves | does it have a comperable ogg capable player? |
| 14:27.20 | Castroneves | and the ssh ability? |
| 14:27.29 | hrw|work | ssh in in base install |
| 14:27.38 | Castroneves | ok, that's great |
| 14:27.56 | hrw|work | gpe players: vlc-gpe, totem and maybe few others |
| 14:28.48 | Castroneves | ok, and i assume that it's just a matter of plugins for ogg vorbis support |
| 14:29.10 | hrw|work | probably |
| 14:29.21 | Castroneves | would you recommend opie or gpe, btw? |
| 14:29.30 | hrw|work | I do not remember when last time I used my Z for something other then testing images |
| 14:29.33 | hrw|work | depends |
| 14:29.45 | hrw|work | opie is more PDA matured then gpe |
| 14:29.54 | hrw|work | but gpe give more apps from dekstop |
| 14:30.28 | Castroneves | i guess a little more reading is due before making a decision on that then |
| 14:30.35 | hrw|work | currently I have opie on Z but as I told - I do not use my Z too much |
| 14:30.46 | hrw|work | I suggest rather trying both |
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| 14:33.32 | DukeD | Hello everyone |
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| 14:33.47 | DukeD | Does anyone know the site where they upgrade c860 with microdrive? |
| 14:34.09 | hrw|work | DukeD: how you want it to be done? |
| 14:34.32 | DukeD | Heh, take apart c860 and put in 4gig microdrive :) |
| 14:34.51 | hrw|work | DukeD: you have ONE cf slot - put microdrive in it |
| 14:35.02 | hrw|work | done |
| 14:35.39 | DukeD | Yeah, but I thought I read somewhere that people made customization and somehow put in a microdrive inside the c860. So CF slot is free for wifi |
| 14:36.10 | hrw|work | no way in c7x0 |
| 14:36.24 | DukeD | I have c860... |
| 14:36.38 | hrw|work | c860 == c760 but other case color |
| 14:36.40 | DukeD | Basically same as 760 :( minor changes... |
| 14:37.00 | hrw|work | c7x0 = c700/750/760/860... |
| 14:37.28 | DukeD | Alright, do you know how fast sd card and cf card c860 can read/write? |
| 14:37.54 | hrw|work | sd/mmc slow nevermind how fast card will be |
| 14:38.01 | hrw|work | cf faster then sd |
| 14:38.05 | DukeD | heh |
| 14:38.14 | hrw|work | but how much... no c760 now so cannot test |
| 14:38.19 | DukeD | Yeah, but there are different cf card, some go as fast as 20mb/s |
| 14:38.34 | DukeD | ooh alright, Thanks for your help ;))) |
| 14:38.58 | DukeD | I found a cf card 8 gig for $150 |
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| 14:39.05 | DukeD | Which I think is a deal breaker |
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| 14:39.17 | hrw|work | cf slot will do few MB/s max |
| 14:39.44 | DukeD | http://www.lacc.com/product.asp?pf_id=ST68022CF |
| 14:40.31 | hrw|work | 150 usd.. will not buy it |
| 14:40.32 | DukeD | But it's slow compared to many cf cards... Wondering if Zaurus can handle faster... |
| 14:40.37 | DukeD | Really? |
| 14:40.44 | DukeD | You can find cheaper !! :))) |
| 14:41.03 | DukeD | Yeah $150 is a lot of money for me right now :( |
| 14:41.21 | DukeD | Well.. Not just right now... Always really |
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| 14:42.43 | Castroneves | DukeD: http://www.digi4me.com/product.php?productid=1259&cat=151&page=1 |
| 14:42.56 | DukeD | Yeah, but this is 4 gig :) |
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| 14:43.09 | Sketch | $135 for an 8gb is rather a better deal |
| 14:43.12 | Castroneves | DukeD: yeah, it's 4 |
| 14:43.23 | Sketch | i just bought a 4gb SD from newegg for ~$90 |
| 14:43.33 | DukeD | Yeah, on newegg good deals |
| 14:43.37 | DukeD | I always buy from them |
| 14:43.45 | Castroneves | DukeD: mis-read i thought you found a 4gb for 150 |
| 14:43.47 | Castroneves | srry |
| 14:43.51 | DukeD | heh :) |
| 14:44.05 | DukeD | So I think 8gig for $150 isn't half bad eh? |
| 14:44.18 | Castroneves | no not at all it seems |
| 14:45.02 | Castroneves | i'm lookig @ 1g SD for 15 |
| 14:45.08 | Hhhhhh | hmm, I got Cacko and installed octave in my 5500, but it wants some other dependencies (it complains about a libreadline.so.4 package). Where can I get the dependencies for octave? |
| 14:45.09 | DukeD | I could store some movies, ebooks, apps for offline viewing when needed |
| 14:45.13 | Castroneves | 2g SD for 27 |
| 14:45.33 | DukeD | But you can bearly watch movies on sd |
| 14:46.14 | hrw|work | Hhhhhh: I would say 'from cacko feeds' but they do not provide feeds probably |
| 14:46.29 | Castroneves | hrw|work: you say try both, i'm guessing that would mean running one for a period of time then re-installing sys w/diff environment |
| 14:46.47 | Hhhhh | hrw|work, I tried installing from the feeds, and for some reason it took -3 hrs- to install |
| 14:47.22 | hrw|work | Castroneves: ? |
| 14:47.29 | DukeD | WOW |
| 14:47.38 | DukeD | 3hrs is crazy |
| 14:52.48 | hrw|work | cu |
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| 14:57.28 | Castroneves | hrw|gone: gpe vs. opie |
| 14:57.37 | Castroneves | you mentioned trying both |
| 14:57.52 | Castroneves | oop |
| 14:57.58 | Castroneves | speaking to the ehter |
| 14:58.03 | Castroneves | *ether |
| 14:58.25 | Castroneves | DukeD: you opinion gpe or opie |
| 14:59.27 | Castroneves | i want to be able to use my gmail account(so ssl ability in mail app) and i want to be able to listen to oggs streamed from my server |
| 15:01.24 | DukeD | I say gpe |
| 15:02.36 | DukeD | Yep, gpe is perfect for it |
| 15:03.35 | DukeD | I am so amazed that Zaurus can emulate psx, this is so much fun :) |
| 15:03.46 | DukeD | Playen Tekken 2 (almost playable)!! |
| 15:04.32 | joshin | DukeD, which Zaurus do you have? |
| 15:04.38 | DukeD | c860 :) |
| 15:05.11 | joshin | Nice. I'm on a lowly overclocked 5500 |
| 15:05.33 | DukeD | I don't understand how to overclock the Z lol, They give you 3 options |
| 15:05.40 | DukeD | I am set at 1 3 2 |
| 15:05.59 | DukeD | The first one is really hard to overclock, if I put 2 3 2 then it freezes |
| 15:06.34 | joshin | Your machine is different than mine. No idea on the 860. |
| 15:06.34 | DukeD | What does the first, second and third overclock? |
| 15:07.04 | DukeD | ooh, What you you using? |
| 15:07.16 | DukeD | cacko/pdaxrom? |
| 15:07.34 | DukeD | or opie? |
| 15:08.05 | joshin | I'm going to build my own openzaurus image. Not sure if GPE or Opie at the moment. |
| 15:08.32 | DukeD | nice. I am in love with pdaxrom and icewm |
| 15:08.46 | DukeD | It actually feels like a computer |
| 15:10.05 | joshin | Back when I was using my Z, I had gcc, python, apache2, and mysql running on it. I used it to demo a few coding projects I was working on. :) |
| 15:13.29 | DukeD | Awesome :) |
| 15:14.11 | DukeD | I feel a bit awkward coding on my Z... I keep forgetting where : {} and other weird keys are |
| 15:14.18 | joshin | :) |
| 15:14.39 | joshin | Cheat sheet taped to the bottom... ;) |
| 15:16.26 | DukeD | heh |
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| 15:24.43 | Castroneves | joshin: i have a "lowly" 5500. How did you overclock it? |
| 15:25.51 | joshin | Castroneves: modprobe registers ; |
| 15:25.52 | joshin | echo 0x0000000B > /proc/cpu/registers/PPCR |
| 15:26.40 | DukeD | Do not overclock you Zaurus lol! There is no fan inside, it will die much faster |
| 15:26.53 | DukeD | Underclocking is great though |
| 15:27.09 | Castroneves | is that with OZ or the sharp rom |
| 15:27.20 | Castroneves | and embedix |
| 15:27.23 | joshin | My Zaurus was unstable on battery with: echo 0x0000000C > /proc/cpu/registers/PPCR |
| 15:27.29 | joshin | Openzaurus |
| 15:27.37 | Castroneves | ok |
| 15:27.49 | Castroneves | and that brings it to what range of speeds? |
| 15:28.03 | Castroneves | i believe that it is stock around 200? |
| 15:28.35 | Castroneves | i guess a better question is, is it a noticable improvement? |
| 15:28.57 | joshin | I think B adds 16mhz and C adds 32. As I said, I haven't played with my Zaurus in a long time. |
| 15:29.14 | raduga | castroneves: it will make some things a little faster |
| 15:29.22 | raduga | it may make your zaurus run a little less stable |
| 15:29.23 | joshin | Castroneves, yes. It was much better when decoding ogg files |
| 15:29.38 | raduga | for really CPU intensive stuff, definitely |
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| 15:30.34 | raduga | myself, I haven't had much luck overclocking a pxa255 or pxa270 (anything over 520mhz, and it's not really useable) |
| 15:30.59 | DukeD | heh |
| 15:31.04 | raduga | maybe sa-1110 will be nicer to OC |
| 15:31.05 | Castroneves | joshin: thanks, you just answered another question |
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| 15:31.18 | joshin | Castroneves, dare I ask what? :) |
| 15:31.21 | DukeD | Has anyone had their Zaurus destroyed after OC'ing? |
| 15:31.24 | raduga | duked: segfaults all over the place, crashing left, crashing right |
| 15:31.44 | raduga | duked: nobody has reported damaging a zaurus CPU, that I'm aware of |
| 15:31.59 | joshin | DukeD, Mine caught fire. I threw it in the swimming pool and then the clothes dryer. It was fine. :p |
| 15:32.18 | raduga | I'm going to guess that it lowers the ultimate lifetime of the CPU; but other things in the Zaurus could fail before the CPU anyway |
| 15:32.20 | DukeD | heh, well is undestandable lol |
| 15:32.24 | raduga | (battery, flash, etc) |
| 15:32.35 | Castroneves | ogg file decoding, one of my concerns about going away from the sharp version |
| 15:32.49 | Castroneves | losing ability to listen to oggs |
| 15:32.52 | raduga | if its running *hot* be careful |
| 15:33.15 | raduga | heat will degrade the battery for sure, and it may be a sign that the CPU is overtaxed |
| 15:34.17 | raduga | joshin: have you seen any reasonably reliable reports of zaurus (or other PDAs) failing from excessive flash writes? |
| 15:34.18 | DukeD | Yeah... I guess so... So I guess I will just overclock it to 2 3 2. I know one thing for sure, never have it plugged in when overclcoking |
| 15:34.21 | Castroneves | joshin: i realize that i will lose xmms :( but i can deal w/that as long as i can get another player that has ogg support |
| 15:34.23 | joshin | I didn't notice a heat issue on either setting though when running at "C", the battery emptied faster |
| 15:34.24 | raduga | I've only heard/seen anecdotes, from a few people |
| 15:34.46 | raduga | and its hard to judge on those cases |
| 15:34.56 | joshin | raduga, Nope. Usually the screen gets broken long before that. |
| 15:35.07 | Castroneves | and maybe even let me listen to streams from my server |
| 15:35.31 | raduga | joshin: I imagine only the last few generations of WinEmbedded, and the Zaurus really have had to face this |
| 15:35.33 | joshin | Even my Axim can play oggs and video |
| 15:35.37 | DukeD | I love the screen on the c860, it's so crips clear!!! |
| 15:35.48 | raduga | so it may be a few years yet, before failures start cropping up in the first place |
| 15:35.49 | joshin | Though the linux port seems dead for it. |
| 15:35.53 | Castroneves | joshin: whch axim |
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| 15:36.00 | DukeD | What I don't like so much is that it doesn't play video as well as I would like it to |
| 15:36.08 | Castroneves | i have a 50v and it's a pos |
| 15:36.19 | raduga | I'm just wondering if early failure reports have started... that I hadn't yet seen ;) |
| 15:36.45 | DukeD | Well I am glad that they haven't!! |
| 15:37.20 | raduga | duked: a handful of people that frequent IRC and oesf have reported permabrick. |
| 15:37.35 | raduga | the fact that these same people are extreme developers/testers may be a factor |
| 15:37.37 | joshin | Castroneves, I love the 50v's hardware. It's just the OS that I;d want to replace |
| 15:38.17 | Castroneves | joshin: agreed, the hardware is nice. the OS... |
| 15:38.24 | DukeD | permabrick? permanent brick? |
| 15:38.29 | raduga | the principal reported HW failure on Z, that I'm aware of, is failure of the battery charge circuit, from using a Japanese localised power adaptor with US VAC. |
| 15:38.35 | raduga | duked: yep. |
| 15:38.39 | Castroneves | even the packages that are meant for mobile 1/2 the time don't install |
| 15:38.45 | DukeD | That's awful :( |
| 15:38.57 | raduga | in handheld lingo, a "brick" is a handheld that has been rendered... unuseable as a computing device. |
| 15:39.22 | DukeD | Yeah, I know, thanks :p |
| 15:39.26 | raduga | many/most reported cases of "bricking" can be fixed, by a suitable reflash, or at worst jtag flash |
| 15:39.43 | raduga | sketch: most people that use them report no failures. |
| 15:39.44 | DukeD | Yeah I have Japanese adapter plugged into c860 |
| 15:39.57 | DukeD | in USA |
| 15:39.57 | Castroneves | i think lunch will be spent flashing to OZ and GPE/Opie still can't make up my mind on env |
| 15:39.59 | DukeD | Is that bad? |
| 15:40.10 | raduga | sketch: somewhere between 5-10 % of people that use them, eventually report their zaurus battery charge circuit dies |
| 15:40.35 | raduga | sketch/castroneves: if you're not feeling lucky, you might want to look for another adaptor :) |
| 15:40.51 | Sketch | actually, he did have his charge circuit die ;) he had to replace a surface mount fuse or resistor or something |
| 15:40.51 | DukeD | Is that specifically with c860? |
| 15:40.57 | Sketch | forgot about that, heh |
| 15:40.59 | joshin | ljp: Is there a Zaurus ROM that is built around QT4? |
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| 15:41.19 | DukedD_ | Hello from my Z |
| 15:41.30 | raduga | duked: all zaurus, IIRC, but its only been a reported problem with Cxx0 and Cxxx0, because other models usually shipped with US adaptors |
| 15:42.17 | raduga | sketch: your friend is incredibly fortunate, at having the skill and ability to replace a surface mount fuse or resistor :) |
| 15:42.18 | DukeD | Weird, my zaurus is only 100v |
| 15:42.32 | raduga | sketch: tell the damn idiot to get a proper power supply, though!!! |
| 15:42.41 | Sketch | hehe |
| 15:42.45 | DukeD | How am I going to use it in Russia? |
| 15:42.51 | raduga | i use radio-shack multi-power adaptor. |
| 15:43.04 | raduga | I haven't seen problems, haven't heard reports of problems, but I can't guarantee |
| 15:43.11 | DukeD | Oh man, I just noticed that it's only 100v! :( |
| 15:43.46 | raduga | duked: you want either a Sharp-branded "world AC adaptor for Zaurus" |
| 15:44.15 | raduga | or a local, russian power supply that converts local VAC into 5vdc @ 2A |
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| 15:44.40 | DukeD | Where I am going I will not be able to buy anything |
| 15:44.58 | DukeD | I should start looking for power supply |
| 15:45.00 | raduga | duked: does Russia use the same type of power as AU? |
| 15:45.13 | Sketch | DukeD: where are you going? |
| 15:45.19 | raduga | or wherever you're at now |
| 15:45.27 | DukeD | 220 | | |
| 15:46.12 | DukeD | Not sure what you guys use in AU |
| 15:46.17 | raduga | oh, sorry. |
| 15:46.24 | raduga | duked: thought you were in au |
| 15:46.32 | raduga | eh :) |
| 15:46.35 | DukeD | ;) |
| 15:47.00 | DukeD | I love that about irc, people from all the world using a text based internet relay chat |
| 15:47.29 | DukeD | Yep, and thank to you I spotted a minor problem |
| 15:47.52 | DukeD | Otherwise I would have to build a transformer myself lol |
| 15:48.03 | DukeD | It would be 4x bigger then my Zaurus |
| 15:49.28 | DukeD | I wonder if I would be able to put up sattelite to go online |
| 15:49.30 | raduga | duked: wow... I just realised something... I had not understood before |
| 15:49.44 | DukeD | what would that be raduga? |
| 15:49.55 | raduga | i thought optonline was connected to optusnet.com.au |
| 15:50.09 | raduga | and all the people using optonline were aussie |
| 15:50.11 | raduga | YOW |
| 15:50.16 | DukeD | lol |
| 15:50.18 | DukeD | :) |
| 15:50.43 | DukeD | n=duke@ool-18b89df0.dyn.optonline.net |
| 15:50.51 | raduga | duked: anyway, you have a couple ways to go |
| 15:52.03 | DukeD | btw, are you russian raduga? |
| 15:52.30 | raduga | nyet :) |
| 15:52.30 | DukeD | Raduga translated from Russian to english means rainbow |
| 15:52.39 | DukeD | heh |
| 15:53.03 | raduga | duke: vue russkiy? russkaya? |
| 15:53.13 | DukeD | Russkiy! |
| 15:53.45 | DukeD | I can see you know some Russian.. But you made a mistake by saying thank you after saying you are not russian... |
| 15:54.16 | raduga | not a mistake |
| 15:54.22 | raduga | thank you for asking |
| 15:54.40 | DukeD | Nope, we don't talk like that |
| 15:54.47 | raduga | ok, sorry |
| 15:55.05 | DukeD | heh, no need to appologize |
| 15:55.17 | DukeD | I find that funny in Americans, they always appologize for everything |
| 15:55.35 | DukeD | Nah, your pretty good, just logic is a little different ;) |
| 15:55.53 | raduga | duked: if you are in the US, i would recommend getting this: |
| 15:55.54 | raduga | http://www.streamlinecpus.com/store/product.php?productid=2&cat=3&page=2 |
| 15:56.07 | raduga | an EA-70s cable |
| 15:56.32 | raduga | and then get a plug that will connect into russian AC grid (i dont know from where, but shouldn't be too hard) |
| 15:56.36 | DukeD | Looks great I will purchase it very soon :) |
| 15:56.40 | joshin | Hmm, us American's always apologize for everything yet have the reputation of being boorish and rude. We just can't win, can we? :) |
| 15:57.01 | Sketch | hmm, my zaurus came with a different one than that |
| 15:57.03 | raduga | duked: this is also a cable you should use, in the US; because it is engineered to handle US power, as well as european |
| 15:57.18 | raduga | sketch: yours came with the japanese localised 100vac adaptor? |
| 15:57.24 | DukeD | Yeah this is awesome! Thanks! :) |
| 15:57.34 | Sketch | nope |
| 15:57.41 | DukeD | Sketch, hehe :) |
| 15:57.43 | Sketch | it's a 100-240V brick style adapter |
| 15:57.44 | raduga | oh. you have an older model then |
| 15:57.48 | Sketch | 3100 |
| 15:57.48 | raduga | sorry :) |
| 15:57.51 | raduga | ah. |
| 15:57.53 | Sketch | http://www.conics.net/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=54 |
| 15:57.54 | raduga | maybe a newer one |
| 15:58.11 | Sketch | http://www.conics.net/catalog/images/ea-75.jpg |
| 15:58.14 | raduga | cool :) |
| 15:58.26 | raduga | so sharp no longer sells crappy power supplies iwth their zaurus |
| 15:58.28 | raduga | this is good!!! |
| 15:58.47 | Sketch | yep |
| 15:59.14 | DukeD | I see I have the O type in Russia |
| 15:59.18 | raduga | duked: if you buy it from conics, you can get the russian plug with the power supply to |
| 15:59.24 | DukeD | I have tons of plugs |
| 15:59.25 | raduga | unless you have one already |
| 15:59.26 | raduga | good |
| 15:59.30 | raduga | conics can be slow |
| 15:59.43 | Sketch | their stuff is shipped directly from japan |
| 15:59.46 | raduga | i think they're actually located in Japan, and have only one english-speaking employee |
| 16:00.03 | DukeD | Also $30 bucks which is great |
| 16:00.06 | raduga | sketch: the "slow" is a measure of the speed of their internal operations, not shipping time |
| 16:00.16 | Sketch | their website lives in australia, i think, so i assumed that's where they are |
| 16:00.25 | DukeD | This is compatible with c860 I hope |
| 16:00.33 | raduga | sketch: if Brett is in town, you'll get your order pretty quickly. If Brett is out of town, it may take weeks or longer |
| 16:00.39 | Sketch | raduga: yeah |
| 16:00.48 | raduga | and there's NO way tell in advance |
| 16:00.49 | Sketch | i ordered 2 things, i got one in like 2 days, the other in like a month ;) |
| 16:00.57 | DukeD | lol |
| 16:01.04 | DukeD | Well I am going next month |
| 16:01.07 | Sketch | good thing i didn't need that usb host cable too badly ;) |
| 16:01.25 | raduga | duked: if you are in the US, I suggest dynamism.com or streamlinecpus.com |
| 16:01.48 | raduga | you can call and speak to a live (english-speaking) human |
| 16:01.56 | DukeD | dynamism is so expansive! |
| 16:02.01 | raduga | yes ;) |
| 16:02.10 | DukeD | I can't believe they are in business |
| 16:02.11 | DukeD | lol |
| 16:02.21 | raduga | duked: they were the first US retailer of zaurus |
| 16:02.31 | raduga | and they have a reputation for good service |
| 16:02.36 | DukeD | Yeah, but their prices! |
| 16:02.45 | raduga | if you're buying for yourself, the prices suck |
| 16:02.55 | raduga | if your company is paying, maybe you don't care so much |
| 16:02.59 | DukeD | Who else would I buy a Zaurus for? |
| 16:03.05 | raduga | for your cat? |
| 16:03.09 | DukeD | lol |
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| 16:04.19 | DukeD | has anyone been able to use sdio wifi card with Z? |
| 16:04.33 | DukeD | or is that just too much hassle? |
| 16:05.11 | raduga | http://www.infinitecat.com/infinite/cat-html/1235.html |
| 16:05.31 | DukeD | lol!!! |
| 16:05.34 | raduga | duked: there is, IIRC only one sd wifi card that has drivers |
| 16:05.46 | raduga | and only for sharp rom, and C7x0 |
| 16:05.54 | raduga | and maybe no longer supported |
| 16:05.59 | DukeD | ehh... |
| 16:06.16 | raduga | duked: cf is the way to go, mostly |
| 16:06.21 | DukeD | Yeahh... |
| 16:06.33 | raduga | unless someone can find a *super* lower power wifi usb device |
| 16:06.43 | raduga | most wifi usb use more power than the zaurus can supply |
| 16:06.50 | raduga | but some ethernet ones are ok |
| 16:07.03 | DukeD | No one figured out how to make zaurus crazy style usb into regular so I oculd plugin usb stuff? |
| 16:07.14 | raduga | duked: its not crazy :D |
| 16:07.22 | raduga | its USB-mini-A |
| 16:07.33 | raduga | and there's an adaptor available |
| 16:07.39 | DukeD | wow |
| 16:07.41 | DukeD | Really? |
| 16:07.42 | raduga | streamlinecpus has them |
| 16:07.49 | raduga | for USB-A to USB-mini-A |
| 16:08.04 | raduga | so you can plug any normal USB device into it |
| 16:08.09 | DukeD | wow! |
| 16:08.10 | DukeD | lol |
| 16:08.20 | raduga | *but* beware that only low-power devices will work, unless they have a source of power |
| 16:08.25 | raduga | i.e a powered hub |
| 16:08.37 | raduga | i'm still trying to find a decent battery-powered hub |
| 16:08.46 | DukeD | powerhub would be fine |
| 16:09.00 | DukeD | What about usb to vga? |
| 16:09.08 | DukeD | through hub |
| 16:09.21 | raduga | duked: that requires higher USB bandwidth than the zaurus supports, unfortuantely |
| 16:09.35 | DukeD | Zaurus supports 1.1 |
| 16:09.42 | raduga | zaurus does USB 1.0, 1.1, low and medium speed 2.0, |
| 16:09.45 | raduga | but not high speed 2.0 |
| 16:09.52 | DukeD | ooh |
| 16:10.01 | DukeD | Because of power limits |
| 16:10.15 | raduga | so, a CDROM will probably work, a HDD will probably work, but not VGA |
| 16:10.36 | raduga | usb flash keys are low power, they work fine |
| 16:10.45 | raduga | also most mice are low power |
| 16:10.49 | DukeD | Great! |
| 16:11.02 | raduga | duked: there are a few CF-vga card |
| 16:11.03 | DukeD | I have Logitech MX518 :p |
| 16:11.12 | DukeD | That cost almost $1000 |
| 16:11.34 | raduga | the problem is... CF bus is too slow, so you get very, very, very slow frame rate |
| 16:11.43 | raduga | like 5fps at best |
| 16:11.51 | DukeD | That is really slow |
| 16:12.04 | DukeD | I feel so bad I sold my iPod Video |
| 16:12.06 | raduga | duked: USB vga adaptors are slow too. |
| 16:12.28 | DukeD | eh.. Well I guess I don't really need vga adapter |
| 16:12.37 | raduga | CF-vga is no good for video, the cards are mostly used for powerpoint, slide shows |
| 16:12.51 | DukeD | But it would be nice to plug in my Zaurus to tv |
| 16:12.58 | raduga | but i think, might be just barely useable as a console |
| 16:13.14 | DukeD | well yeah, console should be usable.. I mean it's just a console |
| 16:14.38 | DukeD | Are you sure c860 uses mini-a? |
| 16:15.14 | DukeD | http://image.www.rakuten.co.jp/i2/img1043371784.jpeg |
| 16:15.22 | raduga | http://www.vrealities.com/hmd.html |
| 16:16.24 | DukeD | nice |
| 16:16.32 | raduga | maybe this one |
| 16:16.32 | raduga | http://www.vrealities.com/i-theater.html |
| 16:18.34 | DukeD | This is so cool man |
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| 16:19.21 | DukeD | This prob. kill your eyes though |
| 16:20.15 | raduga | probably :) |
| 16:20.56 | DukeD | I think c860 cable is different |
| 16:21.06 | DukeD | Because it looks longerthen regular usb |
| 16:21.22 | DukeD | http://image.www.rakuten.co.jp/i2/img1043371784.jpeg |
| 16:21.35 | DukeD | Look at the link, you will see it's not mini-usb-a |
| 16:22.01 | raduga | oh, sorry |
| 16:22.12 | raduga | c860 does NOT have usb onboard |
| 16:22.31 | raduga | the C1000 and SL-6000 were the first ones that had it |
| 16:22.35 | raduga | earlier models didn't |
| 16:22.37 | DukeD | Aww!! Common! |
| 16:22.41 | DukeD | Damn sharp! |
| 16:23.20 | raduga | and the failure of the SL-6000 to achieve critical mass, proved to Sharp, once and for all, that no zaurus user would ever really want wifi or bluetooth, anyway |
| 16:23.42 | DukeD | LOL |
| 16:23.43 | raduga | but, everyone uses IRDA |
| 16:23.52 | DukeD | What are they thinking! |
| 16:24.07 | raduga | they are thinking that... there is little market for wifi/bt in japan |
| 16:24.09 | DukeD | I want to see the man in charge of Zaurus line pdas! |
| 16:24.16 | raduga | and they are thinking that... non japanese people do not exist |
| 16:24.21 | DukeD | in japan little market for bt, not wifi, wifi is all over |
| 16:24.26 | DukeD | lol |
| 16:24.33 | raduga | duked: well, in the past, little market for wifi |
| 16:24.38 | raduga | wifi has only really taken off there, recently |
| 16:24.44 | raduga | and so, sharp is just "slow" |
| 16:25.17 | raduga | but, anyway, |
| 16:25.29 | DukeD | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8812766638&category=58544 |
| 16:25.36 | DukeD | I think i FOUND something, hehe |
| 16:26.12 | raduga | duked: all that does, is allow the zaurus to make a serial connection, over USB, to a PC |
| 16:26.21 | DukeD | Yeah, I just got it |
| 16:26.49 | DukeD | It's just thay I got so hyped up! :( |
| 16:27.11 | raduga | oh, damn, sorry :( |
| 16:27.15 | raduga | i forgot you had a c860 |
| 16:27.25 | raduga | i would not have mentioned USB at all, if I had remembered that |
| 16:27.27 | DukeD | heh |
| 16:27.41 | DukeD | That's fine :) I still love my Z :))) |
| 16:27.50 | raduga | duked: what you can get, (if you want) is a CF-usb card ;) |
| 16:28.05 | DukeD | And that costs less then $1000? :) |
| 16:28.07 | raduga | but that is more hardware, more cables, more expense, more crap |
| 16:28.09 | raduga | hehe |
| 16:28.37 | raduga | http://www.ratocsystems.com/english/products/subpages/cfu1u.html |
| 16:29.19 | raduga | $159 :( |
| 16:29.29 | raduga | sux |
| 16:29.45 | DukeD | hehe |
| 16:29.46 | DukeD | :( |
| 16:30.29 | raduga | duked: SD is mostly going to be just for disk storage. |
| 16:30.44 | DukeD | http://www.twin-paradox.com/SEPDA.html |
| 16:30.46 | raduga | up to 1GB cards are supported natively, support for 2GB+ is experimental |
| 16:31.03 | raduga | CF slot can be: USB or WiFi, or video, or disk storage |
| 16:31.14 | raduga | any size CF disk are supported ok |
| 16:31.25 | DukeD | I I am thinking of buying a 4gig/2gig sd and I really want to buy 8gig cf |
| 16:32.14 | DukeD | You see, I am going away for several year and will be alone. I will be studying a lot of things, reading things and only computer I will have is my Zaurus |
| 16:32.17 | raduga | duked: you will *need* an updated rom; OZ or pdaXrom, to effectively use the 2gb/4gb sd |
| 16:32.34 | raduga | duked: my advice actually, would be to also get a spare (small) SD card, if you can afford it |
| 16:32.34 | DukeD | I have pdaxrom beta 1 |
| 16:32.53 | raduga | great. :) |
| 16:33.09 | DukeD | Yeah, I've been thinking of that.. In case the sd fails (which I read happends alot) |
| 16:33.09 | raduga | you evidently already have some sort of CF or SD now; so you're good |
| 16:33.19 | DukeD | Yeah, I took 1 gig from camera :P |
| 16:33.45 | raduga | the main reason for getting a smaller one is not failures; its that large cards won't be supported "out of the box". that is, you might not even be able to flash, or load a new OS from them |
| 16:33.52 | Varoudis|Laptop | so raduga its safe to get a 4g SD now?! |
| 16:34.06 | raduga | varoudis: its "safe" if you have updated drivers |
| 16:34.12 | raduga | and are "lucky" :) |
| 16:34.20 | raduga | varoudis: check oesf forums |
| 16:34.30 | raduga | varoudis: more people report success than failure, now |
| 16:34.41 | Varoudis|Laptop | I read them every day :) |
| 16:34.44 | raduga | oh. |
| 16:34.53 | DukeD | Well I hope I won't need to re-install anything. Since that would mean I have to take my car to the town and then go to internect cafe, which would be very rare thing |
| 16:34.54 | Varoudis|Laptop | sorry Im DaemonsGR in the forum |
| 16:35.02 | raduga | varoudis: i have no experience with them |
| 16:35.05 | raduga | (the cards) |
| 16:35.23 | raduga | varoudis: i thought the forums were... mostly agreeing the cards are ok now :) |
| 16:35.45 | raduga | but it depends on how much you trust Sash/ sashz' friends, and whoever hacks together drivers |
| 16:36.09 | Varoudis|Laptop | raduga, A firent of my is coming to greece from the States and he can get me a 4g A-DATA SD for 90USD! |
| 16:36.19 | raduga | varoudis: wonderful |
| 16:36.24 | raduga | varoudis: good luck |
| 16:36.46 | Varoudis|Laptop | Ill ask pgas if he needs one too |
| 16:37.07 | raduga | hm. i need one too :) |
| 16:37.16 | DukeD | Yeah, in the US everything is cheaper |
| 16:37.41 | raduga | duke: cheaper than .ru for sure |
| 16:37.48 | raduga | where in .ru are you going? |
| 16:38.14 | Varoudis|Laptop | raduga, how mutch is in RU? |
| 16:39.05 | DukeD | heh Moldova, Chisinau(Kishinev) with a short visit to Tiraspol |
| 16:39.18 | raduga | varoudis: i dont know, but i *do* know its very expensive, everywhere |
| 16:39.28 | raduga | duked: wow :) :) |
| 16:39.47 | raduga | duked: my grandmother is from tiraspol :) |
| 16:39.56 | Varoudis|Laptop | maybe I sould put a post in the forum for a group buy! |
| 16:40.11 | raduga | and i have family from odessa, and kiev |
| 16:40.24 | DukeD | I used to live there |
| 16:40.49 | raduga | I wonder if you know anyone I would know :) |
| 16:41.10 | raduga | (doubtful, i think my entire family either emigrated, or died, during the 1940s) |
| 16:41.13 | DukeD | lol, I have family in Isreal, America, Moscow, that other place where Kangaroos live |
| 16:41.35 | raduga | duked: i have family in israel, america, moscow, too |
| 16:41.42 | DukeD | hehe |
| 16:41.45 | DukeD | Awesome! |
| 16:41.52 | raduga | though I don't really know who for sure made it to .il |
| 16:42.27 | DukeD | yeah, WWII changed everything |
| 16:42.49 | raduga | well.. my family in tiraspol stopped writing after 1942 |
| 16:43.06 | raduga | either dead, or gone. We hope they just left town, nobody knows for sure |
| 16:43.17 | joshin | My family escaped RU & Austria to America. |
| 16:43.37 | raduga | Mine all went to canada |
| 16:43.47 | raduga | and then, eventually some of them moved to America |
| 16:44.03 | raduga | i think... some emigrated from russia to israel, but its sketchy |
| 16:44.47 | DukeD | Yeah... In my family those who went to America are very known.. My aunt is some super professor (sent me a usb camera couple of months ago) |
| 16:45.09 | DukeD | my other aunt is a very famous super musician |
| 16:45.17 | raduga | My family were... more famous in Canada, i think, than America |
| 16:45.21 | DukeD | other aunt works on Wallstreet |
| 16:46.03 | raduga | there's a community in Manitoba that has my name (i think, my family bought/owned most of it at one time) |
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| 16:46.20 | raduga | my aunt is a famous poet ;) |
| 16:46.30 | raduga | (well... sortof famous) |
| 16:46.31 | DukeD | heh, its weird that all my family (distant family) are all these super known people and I am just me lol |
| 16:47.12 | DukeD | Really? What kind of poetry? What's last name? |
| 16:47.13 | raduga | my mom's (non-russian) family were more famous/important, i think |
| 16:47.42 | raduga | though, hm. My dad's family I think were.... possibly cantors, or rabbis, in Tiraspol |
| 16:47.53 | DukeD | heh, we have so much famous/important people in our blood and yet we are just us |
| 16:47.56 | raduga | i can ask my aunt for more detail. I can't remember for sure |
| 16:48.42 | DukeD | hehe, What's your last name? |
| 16:48.45 | raduga | duked: hehe. my aunt actually runs a fairly small journal. Her "fame" is not so great as she might think |
| 16:48.49 | raduga | duked: good question |
| 16:48.54 | raduga | its changed a few times :) |
| 16:49.05 | DukeD | Me too |
| 16:49.11 | raduga | the closest i can think of would be: |
| 16:49.21 | raduga | Litvak, Yuchmacher, |
| 16:49.27 | raduga | hmm... Portnoy |
| 16:49.28 | DukeD | Damn it, I can't even say my name on irc... |
| 16:49.32 | raduga | thats ok |
| 16:49.51 | raduga | irc sucks |
| 16:50.04 | DukeD | No, I really can't ... done some stuff :( |
| 16:50.16 | DukeD | Portnoy? |
| 16:50.20 | DukeD | hehe, really? |
| 16:50.32 | raduga | really, though I don't know much about those people |
| 16:50.36 | DukeD | Heh, that's a popular last name :) |
| 16:50.59 | raduga | my own family name is... one that my great-grandfather picked when he moved to canda (its an english name) |
| 16:51.29 | raduga | are there a lot of portnoys in that part of moldova/ukraine? |
| 16:51.52 | DukeD | I can't say right now, I just know it's popular :) |
| 16:51.58 | raduga | its ok |
| 16:52.51 | DukeD | :) Ehh, maybe we are related somewhere down the line? eh ? |
| 16:53.03 | raduga | maybe ;) |
| 16:53.24 | DukeD | Life's full of suprises :) |
| 16:53.47 | DukeD | brb |
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| 16:59.04 | DukemD_ | back |
| 17:00.14 | DukemD_ | I wish I had an encyclopedia for Zaurus and a survival guide |
| 17:00.58 | joshin | DukemD_, You'd also want a solar panel for whe the battery dies |
| 17:01.52 | Sketch | from what i've read, those little solar panels aren't going to give you enough juice to run it, but will slowly charge it |
| 17:02.15 | DukemD_ | heh yeah, that would be nice |
| 17:04.29 | DukemD_ | Nice, I just set up xchat to look super nice :) |
| 17:04.42 | DukemD_ | and it uses almost no memory |
| 17:05.21 | DukemD_ | I wish Zaurus could use text recognition like Newton... |
| 17:06.49 | DukemD_ | That would be so much more comfortable!! |
| 17:08.34 | DukeD | Hmm... |
| 17:09.55 | DukeD | Zaurus seems to freeze up with xchat running when screen goes into standby mode |
| 17:11.30 | joshin | DukeD, can you ssh to it? |
| 17:11.53 | DukeD | yes |
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| 17:38.46 | DukemD_ | testing |
| 17:39.09 | DukemD_ | open close still working , now suspend |
| 17:40.13 | DukemD_ | hmm working |
| 17:40.33 | DukeD | strange |
| 17:42.47 | DukeD | tuxpaint is a fun program, anyone try it? |
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| 17:57.29 | DukemD_ | test |
| 17:59.22 | DukemD_ | yep, xchat looks magnificent |
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| 17:59.45 | DukeD | hehe, love the quotes |
| 17:59.56 | Castroneves | DukeD: what environment are you running (Opie, GPE, etc)? |
| 18:01.56 | DukeD | GPE, pdaXRom, hmm strange thing with my Zaurus, I plugged it into power but from right side I see like something is wrong with backligh, don't know how to explain it, you know when you have a lamp and it's reaching it's end, it looks brighter and little darker really quickly? |
| 18:02.12 | DukeD | I hope that's not happening to the Zaurus though |
| 18:02.28 | raduga | i *think* its a software issue, not hardware |
| 18:02.36 | raduga | i notice the same thing, with some roms, under some conditions |
| 18:02.38 | DukeD | It's mainly noticible on dark font |
| 18:02.53 | DukeD | background I mean not font |
| 18:03.09 | raduga | duked: ask someone in OE that knows the hardware better |
| 18:03.12 | raduga | #oe |
| 18:03.30 | DukeD | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.33 | raduga | but beware... |
| 18:03.41 | raduga | #oe is the lair of hardcore system developers |
| 18:03.58 | raduga | they are liable to get annoyed, if you ask them things they consider irrelevant |
| 18:04.01 | raduga | or they may just ignore you. |
| 18:04.33 | DukeD | heh |
| 18:07.01 | DukeD | Well I wrote... hope they like my writing heh |
| 18:08.43 | DukeD | heh, guess |
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| 18:25.29 | DukemD_ | raduga, what do you do? are you also a developer? |
| 18:32.01 | raduga | dukemd: can you read my msgs? |
| 18:32.04 | raduga | or are they lost? |
| 18:32.26 | DukeD | I am reading it |
| 18:32.36 | DukeD | heh, I was on my Z smoking in the kitchen |
| 18:32.58 | DukeD | Sorry about your c750 :( |
| 18:33.21 | DukeD | but glad you got a c1000 :)) |
| 18:33.31 | raduga | i sold it to pgas (good for pgas!) |
| 18:33.37 | DukeD | Oh, wow it's 2:30, I got to go :) |
| 18:33.51 | DukeD | Nice going man.. I will be back later tonigh, I have to fix my ex's computer |
| 18:33.55 | raduga | have fun :) |
| 18:34.01 | DukeD | ha! Year right |
| 18:34.02 | raduga | do skorova |
| 18:34.14 | DukeD | Udachi man! |
| 18:34.21 | DukeD | do skorogo |
| 18:34.26 | DukeD | haha |
| 18:34.33 | DukeD | That's right man |
| 18:34.45 | raduga | thanks |
| 18:35.51 | DukeD | I am getting a feeling she made me build that her computer so she could call me to fix it every time! I mean I fix it like once a month! What the hell does she do with it? A month ago her PS burned out... Then her video card died |
| 18:35.56 | DukeD | Hows does she manage this???? |
| 18:36.32 | DukemD_ | ok, n/m gotta run |
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| 19:36.57 | Castroneves | i just got done reading an article about sd versus cf, speaking directly to the issue of speed |
| 19:37.31 | Castroneves | i kinda got from some conversations here that the consesus was that cf was the faster medium |
| 19:37.49 | Castroneves | is that just in as muach as it si faster in a Z? |
| 19:37.55 | Castroneves | *is |
| 19:38.46 | raduga | CF has higher throughput, IIRC |
| 19:38.51 | raduga | i dont know the raw numbers |
| 19:38.51 | Castroneves | asking because I'm looking at bying a 2g sd card to run apps from (i understood that you could do that) |
| 19:39.07 | raduga | you can run apps from any flash card |
| 19:39.28 | Castroneves | well pure transfer rates are higher w/sd, but that may not be true about sd in a zaurus |
| 19:39.32 | raduga | for fast read/write, a microdrive CF will be the best |
| 19:39.41 | raduga | for moderately fast read, a flash CF |
| 19:39.55 | raduga | writing flash (on both SD and CF) is slow |
| 19:40.03 | Castroneves | the issue i have is that i lose my wifi going that route |
| 19:40.16 | Castroneves | hence looking towards sd |
| 19:40.17 | raduga | also, zauruses tend to use SD cards in mmc emulation, so the slowest possible way |
| 19:40.25 | Castroneves | oh, ugh |
| 19:40.37 | raduga | castroneves: if you want to use wifi in the CF, get a SD |
| 19:40.41 | raduga | that's all there is to it :) |
| 19:41.11 | raduga | it may not be noticeably slower, depending onw hat you're doing |
| 19:41.19 | raduga | SD is (for me) fast enough for swap |
| 19:41.37 | Castroneves | yeah, very true. so in yuor opinion, slower but still ok to use for apps, etc |
| 19:41.52 | raduga | yes, its good :) |
| 19:41.57 | Castroneves | kewl |
| 19:42.13 | Castroneves | 2g sd 36 usd |
| 19:42.15 | raduga | what model Zaurus do you have, again? |
| 19:42.24 | Castroneves | 5500 |
| 19:42.29 | raduga | oh, hm. |
| 19:42.39 | raduga | you might want to read the oesf forums, before you buy one |
| 19:42.44 | raduga | two things to be aware of: |
| 19:43.10 | raduga | a 5500 is old enough, slow enough hardware, that the zaurus will be your speed bottleneck, not the card |
| 19:43.29 | raduga | but any SD card larger than 1gb will need special drivers to work |
| 19:43.40 | raduga | and I'm not sure how well supported they are on 5500 roms |
| 19:43.58 | raduga | make sure that other people have had success with your platform, iwth that type of card, before you buy one |
| 19:44.04 | Castroneves | oh, didn't know that. I am getting ready to flash to openZ and gpe |
| 19:44.22 | raduga | castroneves: you will NOT be able to flash, from a 2gb card, almost certainly |
| 19:44.39 | raduga | because in order to flash, the system has to recognise, and read from your card to begin with |
| 19:44.42 | Castroneves | no i understand that flashing has to be done from the cf |
| 19:44.47 | raduga | oh, ok |
| 19:45.03 | Castroneves | it's ready to go, just gotta pull the trigger (mash the buttons) |
| 19:45.12 | raduga | castroneves: check on OESF to make sure there's support for 2gb cards in the platform you're moving to |
| 19:45.54 | Castroneves | i will do that. and i will prolly grab a 1g card first as well. they are so cheap |
| 19:45.59 | Castroneves | 12 us |
| 19:46.30 | Castroneves | unbelievable, my first computer had a 2g hd and it was huge in it's day |
| 19:46.39 | Castroneves | and that wasn't that long ago |
| 19:46.42 | Castroneves | :) |
| 19:47.09 | raduga | my first computer had 16kb of ram |
| 19:47.22 | raduga | it was years before i saved up enough money to buy a 180kb floppy drive |
| 19:47.47 | raduga | 2gb *is* huge ;) |
| 19:54.13 | Castroneves | can't get to the openzaurus install wiki (opez.berlios.de) is there another link to install docs/how to? |
| 19:54.28 | Castroneves | lol |
| 19:54.40 | Castroneves | yeah i suppose it is ;) |
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| 20:44.28 | Castroneves | getting ready to install 3.5.2 image, does anyone know if that is new enough or if i should go ahead w/3.5.4? |
| 20:44.36 | Castroneves | OZ that is |
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