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| 01:38.41 | infinite- | hey |
| 01:47.49 | cornell | Hi |
| 01:48.54 | infinite- | :) |
| 01:49.32 | benplaut | !! |
| 01:49.37 | benplaut | people talking in here! |
| 01:49.40 | benplaut | amazing! |
| 01:49.47 | cornell | Wow... two people talking, er three |
| 01:50.07 | benplaut | let's make it 4! |
| 01:50.15 | cornell | I was about to say I've been hanging here, and don't know much about zaurii, except that I want to buy one |
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| 01:50.47 | benplaut | perfect! |
| 01:51.05 | cornell | Ah... four people |
| 01:51.06 | benplaut | hello person4, good timing :) |
| 01:51.11 | person4 | w00t! |
| 01:51.21 | person4 | too bad we're the same person, eh? |
| 01:51.25 | benplaut | yup |
| 01:51.33 | benplaut | which one of us should leave |
| 01:51.36 | person4 | i |
| 01:51.39 | person4 | *me |
| 01:51.44 | cornell | Well, two of us are... but Hey, in Hawaii |
| 01:51.45 | person4 | there's a cookie waiting for me |
| 01:51.50 | cornell | You should be two |
| 01:51.54 | benplaut | ok, bye |
| 01:52.01 | cornell | Bye person4 |
| 01:52.02 | benplaut | f*ing traitor |
| 01:52.07 | benplaut | taking my cookie! |
| 01:52.26 | benplaut | actually, alot ofpeople in here are in hawaii |
| 01:54.06 | infinite- | WOW |
| 01:54.10 | infinite- | so much talk |
| 01:54.12 | infinite- | lets read it :D |
| 01:54.21 | infinite- | cornell |
| 01:54.30 | infinite- | so you'd like a zaurus? which one? why? |
| 01:55.30 | infinite- | :O :O |
| 01:55.33 | infinite- | no more talk? :( |
| 01:56.08 | cornell | Sorry, takin care o budness |
| 01:56.30 | cornell | I'm thinking a SL5600 or... what is it.. C1000 |
| 01:56.37 | cornell | Sorry, takin care o bidness |
| 01:57.20 | cornell | No, benplaut, I mean if you're in Hawaii, it would be good if you were two, so you could enjoy it twice as much ;-) |
| 01:57.30 | infinite- | C1000 is muchbetter |
| 01:57.35 | infinite- | but im biased :) |
| 01:57.38 | infinite- | i like clamshells |
| 01:58.21 | infinite- | if i had enough money i'd get the C1000 myself as i dont want a hdd in my pda |
| 01:58.22 | cornell | Me too... someone turned me off of them saying they're so expensive, but I say one in my price range. Unfortunately I'm waiting on a check, so I couldn't snag it |
| 01:58.42 | cornell | Yeah... hdd in handheld just doesn't sound good |
| 01:58.50 | benplaut | i love my c1k :) |
| 01:58.56 | infinite- | ive seen brand new ones with 1 year warranty just over 400 US |
| 01:59.02 | infinite- | C1k's |
| 01:59.03 | infinite- | :) |
| 01:59.11 | infinite- | benplaut oooh you're lucky |
| 01:59.17 | infinite- | i love my c760 anyway :) |
| 01:59.23 | cornell | I'm hoping to snag a used one for 2-300 |
| 01:59.29 | infinite- | more like 300... |
| 01:59.31 | cornell | C760 ain't bad |
| 01:59.40 | infinite- | but you'd better have a warranty with it :) |
| 01:59.58 | infinite- | yeah it is trhe best value for the money if you dont need usb host and the pxa270 |
| 02:00.11 | infinite- | i dont really need any of these, but it"d be nice lol |
| 02:00.18 | cornell | Well, with electronics, I figure if it works for a month, it's gonna work til you drop it or soak it ;-) |
| 02:00.25 | infinite- | probably i'd use the usb thing once a year though.. |
| 02:00.38 | infinite- | oh you really think so? why? |
| 02:00.40 | infinite- | experience? |
| 02:00.41 | cornell | 760. does that have two card slots |
| 02:00.46 | infinite- | yes of course |
| 02:00.57 | infinite- | it has everyrthing that c1000 has, just pxa255 and no usb host |
| 02:01.29 | cornell | Yes, infinite-, and the fact that electrons don't were out. Once your past burn-in, in a pure elecronic device, you're good for a long while... Although, sometimes, screens don't hold up so well. |
| 02:01.31 | infinite- | so it has 128mb rom, 64 mb ram, extended battery, etc |
| 02:01.41 | infinite- | whats with screens? :( |
| 02:01.56 | cornell | Opens like a laptop, rotates, stuff like that? |
| 02:02.02 | infinite- | yes yes |
| 02:02.05 | infinite- | clamshell and VGA |
| 02:02.28 | cornell | Well, screens are probably the most susceptible to damage. But still, you have to wet it or impact it (usually) |
| 02:02.32 | infinite- | and its a real nice white colour (i like it very much) |
| 02:02.39 | infinite- | usually... ha, thats the trick |
| 02:03.16 | cornell | I'm hoping to make good use of it's linux, set it up for wi-fi, set up my home lan with wi-fi. |
| 02:03.32 | infinite- | wifi is very easy with it! :) |
| 02:03.37 | cornell | (and see how many unsecured wi-fi's there are, when I travel about <weg> |
| 02:03.44 | infinite- | not sure what you mean by making good use of it:) |
| 02:03.55 | infinite- | yes, there are, very good wifi scanners / sniffer for it |
| 02:04.02 | infinite- | even wep cracker tools,,lol. |
| 02:04.11 | infinite- | didnt try those tools though |
| 02:04.17 | infinite- | i just need a wlan scanner, thats all :) |
| 02:04.18 | cornell | Well... I don't plan on just PDA'ing with it. I expect to use it like an actual handheld computer. |
| 02:04.31 | infinite- | you can do that, especially with pdaxrom :) |
| 02:04.40 | infinite- | that uses x |
| 02:04.49 | cornell | From what I hear, you don't need a cracker... there's so many unsecured about, it's not necessary |
| 02:04.51 | infinite- | so oyu just have to recompile for ARM (in theory... :) ) |
| 02:05.00 | infinite- | yeah i just mentioned theres even such a tool lol |
| 02:05.21 | cornell | When I get it, I'll be in here a lot, looking for advice ;) |
| 02:05.25 | infinite- | so about recompiling, its harder in practice :) but can be done many times. and many stuff is already ported |
| 02:06.04 | cornell | I just canned my last Winblows workstation, I'm all Linux ... |
| 02:06.12 | cornell | Except at work, but they pay me for that. |
| 02:06.24 | cornell | I don't do windows, unless I'm paid ;-) |
| 02:06.49 | infinite- | lol you hate win? :) |
| 02:07.18 | infinite- | mmm it isnt that bad IMO but thats just a user's opinion who doesnt know too much about advanced stuff :D |
| 02:07.21 | cornell | oh yeah, and the Gates of Hell ;-) |
| 02:07.24 | infinite- | lol |
| 02:07.28 | infinite- | :) |
| 02:07.50 | infinite- | can i ask why? :) (not gates, i can understand that part.. :D ) |
| 02:08.24 | cornell | ANy server that has to have scheduled weekly reboots so it's memory leaks don't make it crash... That's just obscene.... Linux servers, up and running, even headless, for years, no problem. |
| 02:09.02 | infinite- | ah. i see. dont know much about servers really :) |
| 02:09.26 | cornell | Not to mention that you pay through the nose for the cr... stuff, and you get buggy, inconsistent, unstable... |
| 02:09.35 | cornell | ...stuff |
| 02:09.36 | cornell | ;-) |
| 02:10.16 | infinite- | mmm as i said im just an average user, my xp crashes once a year or even less frequent. :) but i can beleve you, friends alwqays have their xp crash on them. i cant understand why :D lol |
| 02:10.39 | cornell | If you really want to get your stomach turned, cyber-wise, see if you can catch the movie, "The Pirates of Silicon Valley". You'll never see Gates or Jobs the same way. |
| 02:11.21 | cornell | My Girlfriends doesn't, but then all she uses is browser (mozilla) and Yahoo messenger ;-) |
| 02:11.44 | infinite- | well, i do heavy multitasking and am content with the performance :D |
| 02:12.03 | infinite- | as for that pirates thing.. i never heard of it, what is it like? |
| 02:13.38 | cornell | Well, it follows Gates, and Jobs from college up to when Gates gets Word for Mac's. It demonstrates Gates sleaziness, and total lack of innovation. Any thing innovative that Microsoft claims has been bought, reverse-engineered or stolen |
| 02:14.23 | infinite- | oh. i see |
| 02:14.32 | infinite- | must be an interesting movie |
| 02:15.28 | cornell | Yes, but I've only seen it once. I wonder if the richest guy on earth may have squashed it ;-) |
| 02:15.33 | infinite- | lol |
| 02:15.39 | infinite- | maybe its on some p2p :D heh |
| 02:16.07 | cornell | Maybe |
| 02:16.11 | infinite- | they cant be stopped that easily |
| 02:16.12 | infinite- | :) |
| 02:16.19 | cornell | But enough Gates bashing... |
| 02:16.47 | infinite- | yeah:P |
| 02:16.59 | infinite- | so i think the zaurus is really for you, dont hesitate to get one :D |
| 02:17.53 | cornell | Google "Pirates of silicon valley"... Amazon has it, and there's DVD's and reviews. |
| 02:18.37 | infinite- | ah, so it hasnt been destroyed :D |
| 02:19.14 | cornell | Nope not yet. |
| 02:19.23 | infinite- | :D |
| 02:19.25 | infinite- | not yet? :) |
| 02:19.30 | cornell | Anyway, haven't heard from benplaut, hope we didn't lose him. |
| 02:19.43 | cornell | And I've got to head out, night all |
| 02:19.45 | cornell | TTFN |
| 02:19.50 | benplaut | 'night |
| 02:22.31 | infinite- | ok |
| 02:22.33 | infinite- | i have to go too |
| 02:22.41 | infinite- | see you all! |
| 02:22.42 | infinite- | :) |
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| 06:09.53 | Ricks937 | Hello |
| 06:12.19 | Ricks937 | I hate to only come in here when I have a question. But I just got a IDE to usb adapter, and was wondering if theres anything stopping me from running a 400 gig harddrive on my sl6000 with sharp rom? |
| 06:23.17 | Ricks937 | Well, thanks anyway : D |
| 06:23.21 | Ricks937 | night |
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| 12:46.39 | cornell_afk | Morning all |
| 12:47.11 | pgas | morning |
| 12:49.11 | cornell | Wow, someone's here ;-) |
| 12:49.36 | cornell | This is almost as exciting as last evening, when there were two other folks chattin' ;-) |
| 12:49.49 | pgas | yeah, from time to time there are real persons here ;) |
| 12:50.38 | pgas | there are other channels #openzaurus, #gpe, #cacko #zaurusfr also ! |
| 12:52.27 | cornell | Quick question... I've been looking to buy something like a C1000. I know that Sharp makes them for Japan only, but others get them and convert them to english, etc. I notice there seems to be different linuxes installed on them, e.g. Opie or Lineo uLinux. Should the installed OS be much of a concern, as one should be able to install another, right? |
| 12:52.35 | cornell | Ok.. not so quick ;-) |
| 12:53.15 | pgas | you can change easily what's running on your zaurus yeah |
| 12:53.42 | pgas | there are several "distributions" |
| 12:53.47 | cornell | Cool, you have an opinion about Opie, uLinux or others? |
| 12:54.26 | pgas | hmm, let me find you an attempt of response on www.oesf.org |
| 12:54.58 | pgas | http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Distributions |
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| 12:55.32 | pgas | personaly I don't need a pda, so I prefer X based distribution rather than opie/qtopia |
| 12:55.42 | pgas | I use pdaxrom |
| 12:56.25 | pgas | hi Varoudis |
| 12:56.34 | Varoudis | hello pgas |
| 12:57.13 | Varoudis | whats up? |
| 12:57.15 | cornell | Yes, I'm looking for more of handheld linux computer experience than a PDA |
| 12:57.18 | cornell | Hi Varoudis |
| 12:57.42 | cornell | Chatting with pgas about C1000's and OS's. I'm in the market |
| 12:58.27 | pgas | well the clamshell are really close to a mini- laptop |
| 12:58.55 | cornell | Actually, I'm thinking more like a mini-tablet PC |
| 12:59.19 | Varoudis | cornell, if you r realy in linux get a c3100 :) |
| 12:59.37 | cornell | Well, doesn't the 3100 have a hdd? |
| 12:59.41 | Varoudis | and flash it with pdaxrom or openbsd if you hardcore |
| 12:59.50 | Varoudis | yeap 4gb |
| 12:59.58 | pgas | I find the zaurus a bit too large for my hand when in "tablet mode" |
| 13:01.03 | Varoudis | cornell, if you r in japan you can buy an Vaio at the size of Z for 90000yen |
| 13:01.15 | Varoudis | with 1g cpu |
| 13:02.11 | Varoudis | pgas, when I got your mail about the upcoming Z3200 I was one step from buying the ultra-voio :) |
| 13:02.21 | cornell | I'm in Pennsylvania, USA. And I wouldn't know what 90,000 yen is. ;-) |
| 13:02.35 | pgas | ehe, fortunately the 3200 was just as I told you :) |
| 13:02.44 | Varoudis | 750euro/900$ |
| 13:02.57 | cornell | What os runs on Vaio? |
| 13:03.05 | Varoudis | XP ...:( |
| 13:03.05 | cornell | Ouch... 900 is too rich |
| 13:03.19 | cornell | XP? Double ouch |
| 13:03.42 | cornell | I am currently windows free. I only do windows if I'm paid for it. |
| 13:03.43 | Varoudis | pgas, yes ..so I got my 3100 :) |
| 13:04.02 | Varoudis | cornell, you can install linux on it |
| 13:05.11 | cornell | Ok... but, how to get the... $5-600 difference between the C1000 ;-) |
| 13:05.29 | cornell | BTW, do either of you know "univac" |
| 13:05.33 | Varoudis | btw pgas in your post about pdax and debian... your scripts doesnt edit X11 to listen tcp?!? is this ok? |
| 13:06.03 | pgas | it reuse the unix domain socket instead of using an internet domain socket |
| 13:06.14 | Varoudis | cornell, I got 3100 from japan for 500euro |
| 13:06.40 | Varoudis | so its tha same? |
| 13:06.46 | pgas | on the 3100, you need to remount /dev/pty or something, be sure to read till the end of the thread |
| 13:07.05 | Varoudis | :P |
| 13:07.06 | Varoudis | ok |
| 13:07.24 | pgas | Varoudis: don't know for sure, maybe it's better maybe not... |
| 13:07.33 | Varoudis | I was in the bus and im in the middle |
| 13:07.35 | cornell | Varoudis: and then it needs to be converted to English? |
| 13:07.52 | pgas | but people have often trouble with X auth so my method avoid this now... |
| 13:07.56 | Varoudis | cornell, just to use a restore from tha EN one |
| 13:08.03 | Varoudis | and then flash it :) |
| 13:08.26 | pgas | cornell: conversion, flashing etc is not really a problem |
| 13:08.28 | Varoudis | pgas, let me check it, thx |
| 13:09.19 | pgas | the main advantage of buying your zaurus at say www.streamlinecpus.com is the support and the possibility to send your Z in the US should something goes wrong |
| 13:12.32 | cornell | Thanks. |
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| 13:46.43 | Varoudis | ta epekse pgas :) evgale 10 asxeta mount... kati ekana lathos sto script :) |
| 13:48.57 | pgas | ehe, nai :-) den prepei na balei rbind alla bind h kati tetio.... |
| 13:51.48 | Varoudis | to rbind /mnt/card den to xriazome etsi? afou to debroo ine sto /mnt/ide4 |
| 13:51.49 | Varoudis | ? |
| 13:52.01 | Varoudis | the lasd two lines |
| 13:52.09 | Varoudis | sto start |
| 13:52.31 | pgas | ekei pou exei rbind bale bind |
| 13:52.51 | Varoudis | kala |
| 13:56.14 | Varoudis | mou vgazi gia to tty alla exo prosthesi to devfs? |
| 14:00.36 | Varoudis | to ekana kai me to xeri kai vgazi tmpfs?!?!?!?! |
| 14:00.54 | Varoudis | y? |
| 14:02.08 | pgas | exeis to link gia to thread? |
| 14:05.02 | Varoudis | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=16584&hl=debian |
| 14:06.26 | pgas | ekanes avto mount --bind /dev/pts ${DEBROOT}/dev/pts ? |
| 14:06.55 | pgas | (prin na mpeis sto chrooted) |
| 14:08.45 | Varoudis | oxi afto alla to dev ine mounted os tmpfs! |
| 14:10.45 | pgas | einai mounted os devpts se mena (tora pou exw kai egw 2.4.20) |
| 14:11.08 | Varoudis | opote na valo devpts sto script? |
| 14:11.37 | pgas | nai |
| 14:12.13 | pgas | alla den xreisatai to -t type nomizw |
| 14:12.26 | Varoudis | nice thnx |
| 14:13.04 | pgas | paizei? |
| 14:14.26 | Varoudis | nai |
| 14:14.28 | Varoudis | :) |
| 14:15.15 | pgas | cool |
| 14:16.57 | pgas | toraw tha mplexeis ligo me to apt-get pour den tha felei na kanei upgrade gia kapio logo kai prepei na tou dineis kapia perierga switch pour den fimamai ;) |
| 14:20.21 | Varoudis | :P |
| 14:22.03 | Varoudis | vasika to update mou lei 404 |
| 14:22.20 | Varoudis | den vriski ta index files |
| 14:24.28 | pgas | edit /etc/apt/ something /conf |
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