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| 01:37.52 | _yanux_ | Hi |
| 01:38.18 | _yanux_ | Can someone tell me if SL Cxxxx screens are all the same in size ? |
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| 01:53.04 | ljp | yes |
| 01:53.27 | ljp | except if you get really close up to it. then it looks _huge_ |
| 02:14.26 | benplaut | rofl |
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| 02:18.17 | infinite- | hi all |
| 02:18.57 | infinite- | anyone here? |
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| 02:27.42 | infinite- | anyone here? |
| 02:30.48 | ashikase | er, kind of |
| 02:32.08 | infinite- | cool |
| 02:32.15 | infinite- | so do you have a zaurus? ever tried GPRS? |
| 02:32.26 | ashikase | no GPRS in Japan |
| 02:32.44 | ashikase | and I never had a cell when I lived in the states |
| 02:32.54 | ashikase | or a Zaurus, for that matter |
| 02:33.34 | infinite- | ah, i see. |
| 02:33.44 | infinite- | just trying to get it work on a C760 |
| 02:33.55 | infinite- | so you live in japan? |
| 02:34.01 | infinite- | did you see any nice sigmarions there? :) |
| 02:34.17 | infinite- | (sorry for asking in a zaurus channel :) ) |
| 02:34.27 | ashikase | only in the stores, never used one personally |
| 02:34.43 | infinite- | how much are they going for ? :) |
| 02:35.15 | ashikase | no idea |
| 02:35.32 | ashikase | it was long, long ago |
| 02:35.42 | ashikase | I don't know if stores even still sell them |
| 02:36.22 | infinite- | ok ok just asked |
| 02:36.36 | infinite- | :) |
| 02:36.44 | infinite- | so why dont you have a zaurus? |
| 02:36.56 | ashikase | I do |
| 02:37.04 | ashikase | I just never had one when I was in the states |
| 02:37.27 | ashikase | now I have two |
| 02:37.28 | infinite- | ah ok :) |
| 02:37.31 | infinite- | whixch models |
| 02:37.32 | infinite- | ? |
| 02:37.41 | ashikase | 760/3100 |
| 02:37.53 | infinite- | cool. which one do you like more? |
| 02:39.03 | ashikase | I only use the 3100 really, since they are basically the same machine |
| 02:39.22 | ashikase | software-wise, that is |
| 02:40.29 | infinite- | i see, and is it really twice as fast as the 760? |
| 02:41.41 | ashikase | I've never really tested it |
| 02:41.52 | infinite- | but do you feel any difference? |
| 02:42.44 | ashikase | I don't use my Z for media or games, or anything that requires a lot of processing power |
| 02:42.50 | ashikase | so I really can't answer that very well |
| 02:44.12 | infinite- | ok without the media, thetres no difference? |
| 02:45.42 | ashikase | like I said, I really can't answer that |
| 02:45.48 | infinite- | so theres no diff then |
| 02:45.50 | infinite- | :) |
| 02:45.55 | ashikase | a good resource of information is the OESF forums |
| 02:46.00 | infinite- | you would be able to answer it then :) |
| 02:46.01 | ashikase | www.oesf.org/forums |
| 02:46.04 | infinite- | yeah i know them |
| 02:46.07 | infinite- | but no one helped with gprs... |
| 02:46.18 | infinite- | well, ok, i can buy some bluefig software... |
| 02:46.21 | ashikase | no, I just don't like to state something without supporting evidence |
| 02:46.32 | infinite- | maybe that would help but it would be nice to be able to solve it without that :) |
| 02:46.33 | ashikase | my c760 currently has OZ on it, so it feels faster |
| 02:46.38 | infinite- | ah, i see |
| 02:46.43 | infinite- | i have cacko :O |
| 02:47.24 | ashikase | and now I must be off... time for lunch |
| 02:47.28 | ashikase | sorry that I couldn't help |
| 02:48.33 | infinite- | ok |
| 02:48.35 | infinite- | no problwem |
| 02:48.36 | infinite- | see you |
| 02:48.36 | infinite- | :) |
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| 03:54.31 | ashikase | guess I'll mention it here too... |
| 03:54.38 | ashikase | the 3200 has been announced |
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| 03:54.53 | ashikase | only thing new is a 6GB drive |
| 03:55.06 | ashikase | http://www.sharp.co.jp/corporate/news/060307-a.html |
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| 04:31.13 | subdue | at least the Z hasn't died |
| 04:34.14 | ashikase | that's pretty much what was said with the 3100 |
| 04:34.38 | ashikase | I've pretty much given up hope for Sharp |
| 04:35.25 | subdue | we only depend on sharp for the hardware |
| 04:35.59 | subdue | (now if they only got it where the battery life was better) |
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| 06:01.08 | champ | whats the best Z for your buck? |
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| 06:11.36 | Tomoe | COCKS |
| 06:11.37 | Tomoe | =( |
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| 07:59.40 | pgas | morning |
| 08:01.16 | champ | hello |
| 08:02.19 | pgas | new zaurus yeah! |
| 08:02.39 | pgas | well, I don't think I'll upgrade my 860 yet though |
| 08:03.02 | champ | what z did you get? |
| 08:03.24 | pgas | s-lc860 > 2 years ago |
| 08:09.35 | champ | i am still waiting to get my zaurus |
| 08:09.49 | champ | i am waiting for a real cheap deal for my first z |
| 08:10.09 | champ | i have been doing research on them for like 6 months, i want one so bad |
| 08:10.09 | pgas | a deal on what model? |
| 08:10.38 | champ | honestly, it doesn't really matter for my first Z, i just want to get one so bad |
| 08:10.58 | champ | now if i had the choice it would definately be a c3100 |
| 08:10.59 | champ | ;] |
| 08:11.43 | champ | i just want something i can do a little warwalking with, mess around with it, etc... and then if i like it i will invest more money into a better one |
| 08:13.03 | champ | whats this i just hear the rumors about the 3200 are true |
| 08:13.57 | pgas | the 3200 is out, it's a 3100 with a 6G miccrohd |
| 08:14.06 | pgas | and more soft for learning english |
| 08:15.42 | champ | just a 2 gig upgrade? |
| 08:15.44 | champ | pschhh |
| 08:15.50 | champ | not even a ram upgrade |
| 08:15.52 | champ | man' |
| 08:16.17 | pgas | ehe, well from the 760 to 860 it was a software upgrade only :) |
| 08:17.21 | champ | pgas: you dont have a z for sale do you/ |
| 08:18.25 | pgas | ehe no |
| 08:19.07 | champ | what model would you recomend? |
| 08:19.50 | pgas | any clamshell from sl-c760 |
| 08:20.18 | champ | including what? |
| 08:20.20 | pgas | the 1000 gives you a little more speed and usb host |
| 08:20.36 | pgas | 760 860 1000 3100 |
| 08:20.58 | pgas | and the 3000 |
| 08:22.09 | champ | so would you recomend the 1000 out of those? besides the 3100? |
| 08:22.46 | pgas | well 760 and 860 are exactly the same machine |
| 08:23.13 | pgas | the 1000 has a newer proc, and usb-host (ie you can plug a usb stick in it) |
| 08:23.48 | champ | the 7/860 dont have the usb-host? |
| 08:24.08 | pgas | the 3100 has an internal micro-hd which is good if you want to have wifi and a lot of space at the same time, as wifi use the cf slot of the 1000 |
| 08:24.14 | pgas | champ: no they don't |
| 08:24.45 | pgas | only using a rather expensive usb-host cf card |
| 08:27.56 | pgas | but ram and screen are the same on the 860 and on the newer models |
| 08:28.35 | champ | what are you using? |
| 08:28.45 | pgas | on my 860? |
| 08:29.14 | pgas | mainly emacs, link2s, various console tools, fbreader |
| 08:29.33 | champ | i was thinking about getting a 5500 |
| 08:29.52 | pgas | you can do a lot on a 5500 |
| 08:30.02 | champ | Zaurus 5500 (of course) w/original box, cd, manual. screen cover, docking station with ac adapter and usb link |
| 08:30.03 | champ | Linksys WCF12 802.11b Compact Flash |
| 08:30.03 | champ | Lexar 256 MB SD |
| 08:30.03 | champ | 32 MB Compact Flash |
| 08:30.03 | champ | 3 way battery charger (usb, car, air zync) |
| 08:30.03 | champ | Handsfree earpiece speaker and microphone with plug adapter to fit the audio jack |
| 08:30.05 | champ | Nifty little stylus/pen |
| 08:30.06 | pgas | mais problem is the battery life I think |
| 08:30.07 | champ | and I ordered a double capacity batt |
| 08:30.09 | champ | for $300 |
| 08:30.22 | champ | think that is a good deal? |
| 08:30.31 | champ | $300 including shipping' |
| 08:30.50 | pgas | hmm I don't think it's a very good deal |
| 08:32.34 | pgas | see http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=17913 |
| 08:33.13 | pgas | for $250 you get 2 5500 |
| 08:33.56 | pgas | and you can easily get a wifi card for $50 dollar, 256 sd is not that expenive |
| 08:34.30 | champ | damn |
| 08:34.42 | champ | i might need to get that |
| 08:36.21 | champ | do you think i could buy replacement docking station, ac adapter and usb link? |
| 08:36.34 | pgas | http://tinyurl.com/gvmgj |
| 08:37.17 | pgas | USD$ 200 |
| 08:37.30 | pgas | and i think you can find cheaper deal |
| 08:37.45 | champ | yeah, i am trying to find a real cheap deal |
| 08:37.47 | pgas | champ: yeah you can find replacement |
| 08:38.10 | pgas | for everything so I don't know id it's a good idea |
| 08:38.20 | champ | if i buy that guys 5500 without the docking station and ac adapter and usb link i might be able to pick those up for cheap |
| 08:38.22 | pgas | s/so/though/ |
| 08:38.43 | champ | why not? |
| 08:40.17 | pgas | don't know for sure, but in general it's more expensive to buy spare parts individually than the whole thing |
| 08:40.42 | champ | i see |
| 08:41.31 | pgas | http://cgi.ebay.com/LIKE-NEW-Sharp-Zaurus-SL-5500-w-cradle-adaptor_W0QQitemZ5876040636QQcategoryZ38331QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 08:41.44 | pgas | $ 125 with everything |
| 08:43.50 | champ | not bad |
| 08:44.02 | champ | i dont know how much i trust ebay though |
| 08:44.28 | pgas | yeah, that's allways a problem ;) |
| 08:45.11 | pgas | you might consider the nokia 770 also |
| 08:45.21 | champ | nokia 770? |
| 08:45.46 | pgas | http://europe.nokia.com/nokia/0,1522,,00.html?orig=/770 |
| 08:46.03 | pgas | linux "internet tablet" |
| 08:46.47 | champ | cell phone or pda? |
| 08:47.11 | pgas | more like a pda |
| 08:47.21 | pgas | (not a cell-phone) |
| 08:47.34 | pgas | it has built in wifi and bluetooth |
| 08:47.53 | pgas | http://www.nokiausa.com/770 $360 new |
| 08:48.01 | champ | man i dont know, i have been dreaming about a z for sooo long |
| 08:48.07 | pgas | 800x600 screen |
| 08:48.11 | pgas | no keyboard |
| 08:48.35 | pgas | champ: well I don't know either |
| 08:49.22 | champ | is it linux based? what kind of platform are they using? |
| 08:49.37 | champ | i wonder how big the dev team will be on it |
| 08:49.38 | pgas | www.maemo.org |
| 08:49.58 | pgas | it's somethin x-based with their own gtk environement |
| 08:50.17 | pgas | gpe image for it are available |
| 08:50.30 | pgas | if I'm not mistaken |
| 08:51.55 | champ | ugh... |
| 08:52.00 | champ | looks interesting |
| 08:52.40 | champ | i need to start a review website so i can get companies to send me cool new toys and gadgets to test and review for them' |
| 08:53.12 | pgas | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=16684 |
| 08:53.49 | pgas | champ: that or become an uber developer and get people to send you money and hardware :; |
| 08:54.51 | champ | yeah, i would love to become an uber dev, but i need to get one first |
| 08:54.52 | champ | lol |
| 08:54.54 | champ | ;P |
| 08:56.58 | champ | i am getting ready to write up a nice email to nokia seeing if they will send me one |
| 08:57.00 | champ | ;] |
| 08:57.17 | champ | hopefully i can make it sound professional enough and they will bite the bait |
| 08:58.35 | pgas | ehe |
| 08:59.33 | pgas | if it works, don't forget to send me a copy of your e-mail |
| 08:59.50 | champ | if i could just get an email address off this website |
| 08:59.52 | champ | oh i will |
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| 09:01.58 | champ | is there a monthly fee on this 770? |
| 09:02.33 | pgas | no, why? |
| 09:03.07 | champ | just wondering |
| 09:03.12 | champ | what all is on the 770? |
| 09:03.19 | champ | built in wireless? |
| 09:03.32 | pgas | yes, wifi and bluetooth |
| 09:03.44 | pgas | it's not a phone |
| 09:07.30 | champ | i am writing my email now |
| 09:14.49 | champ | can i use html in gmail? |
| 09:18.07 | pgas | you can switch to "rich formatting " |
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| 09:39.31 | champ | ok, done with the email |
| 09:39.34 | champ | lets hope it works |
| 09:39.35 | champ | hehe |
| 09:55.27 | champ | hopefully it works out, i will keep you updated pgas |
| 10:00.53 | champ | they are already selling the 3200? |
| 10:00.55 | champ | http://www.pricejapan.com/PriceJapan_com.htm |
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| 10:38.20 | sashz | #archos |
| 10:38.31 | sashz | rrr |
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| 13:46.32 | tchan | 770's have been available for sale to the public all over the world for months now. developer program has long since been closed |
| 13:56.12 | sashz | and? |
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| 13:57.59 | tchan | merely pointing out to champ its useless to ask Nokia now for a free 770 |
| 14:00.24 | sashz | maslovsky buy it and than sell away because cpu and screen sucks |
| 14:00.30 | sashz | bought |
| 14:04.00 | tchan | the cpu is a little on the slow side but the screen if gorgeous 800x480 |
| 14:04.13 | tchan | screen is gorgeous, I meant |
| 14:10.40 | sashz | he said screen quality sucks |
| 14:12.32 | tchan | you can go see one for yourself and decide |
| 14:15.10 | sashz | yes, maybe |
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| 14:56.48 | champ | i'm liking the look of the yopy yp 3700 |
| 14:56.51 | champ | http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT9451386090.html |
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| 16:27.51 | ma401 | champ, it looks 'tubby' |
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| 16:38.27 | Hhhhh | wtf C3200? |
| 16:40.48 | infinite- | hey |
| 16:40.50 | infinite- | what? where?! |
| 16:41.10 | Hhhhh | http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Sharp-Zaurus-SL-C3200-6GB-HDD-LINUX-c1000-c3100_W0QQitemZ5876996821QQcategoryZ38331QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 16:41.27 | Hhhhh | buy it now $899 :/ |
| 16:41.29 | infinite- | hum |
| 16:41.34 | Hhhhh | and $79 shipping |
| 16:41.43 | infinite- | thats a nice price, same price for an older 3xxx at dynamism |
| 16:41.43 | Hhhhh | lol, $1000 PDA |
| 16:41.55 | infinite- | ive seen 1000$ pda's... imate jasjar anyone :P |
| 16:42.08 | Hhhhh | yea, I wouldn't spend that much on a PDA |
| 16:42.12 | infinite- | or the handheld pcs a few yrs ago |
| 16:42.13 | infinite- | me neither |
| 16:42.23 | infinite- | i saw the jasjar, and it was impressive but .... not worth it! |
| 16:42.25 | Hhhhh | I paid $180 for my 5500, and I think that was very fair |
| 16:42.59 | Hhhhh | I just have to get a 1GB SD card for it now :) |
| 16:43.05 | infinite- | thats a nice price |
| 16:43.09 | infinite- | my C760 was 300$ |
| 16:43.15 | infinite- | a couple of weeks ago |
| 16:43.27 | infinite- | i have only a 512 card in it:) |
| 16:43.28 | Hhhhh | it came with WiFi CF card, 128MB SD card, cradle, CD, etc |
| 16:43.32 | infinite- | wow thats nice |
| 16:44.04 | infinite- | Quantity: 50 available |
| 16:44.05 | infinite- | wow |
| 16:45.30 | infinite- | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.33 | infinite- | LOL!!!! |
| 16:46.01 | Hhhhh | yea |
| 16:46.06 | infinite- | heheh |
| 16:46.08 | Hhhhh | I've seen that before in eBay |
| 16:46.13 | Hhhhh | funny |
| 16:46.36 | infinite- | :) well there are people who dont like it if the product has been touched:) |
| 16:46.49 | infinite- | i ordered two zauruses (zaurii?), and one of them is for a friend of mine who's like that... |
| 16:46.50 | infinite- | :D |
| 16:56.24 | ma401 | sd card in the front, eh? do all the 3xxx have the sd slot in the front of the pda? |
| 16:56.55 | sashz_ | yes |
| 16:57.27 | ma401 | fancy |
| 16:58.36 | infinite- | ma401!!! |
| 16:58.39 | infinite- | hey |
| 16:59.06 | ma401 | hiya :D |
| 16:59.52 | champ | http://www.pricejapan.com/PriceJapan_com.htm |
| 17:00.12 | champ | pricejapan has the 3200's for 653 usd |
| 17:01.38 | ma401 | the 860 costs more than a 1000 does? |
| 17:01.41 | infinite- | ma401, did you see my private messagwes here? :) |
| 17:01.51 | infinite- | 1000 is certainly better than the 860.. |
| 17:02.05 | infinite- | if i had enough money my choice would be the 1000 (i dont want a hdd) |
| 17:02.12 | Sketch | the 860 is thinner |
| 17:02.14 | ma401 | infinite-, my computer turned itself off last night so I missed them :( |
| 17:02.20 | infinite- | i see |
| 17:02.23 | infinite- | so i'm cmonex :) |
| 17:02.25 | ma401 | I likes my 760 and all, but I already want a 3xxx series ;p |
| 17:02.28 | Sketch | so there is one advantage to it |
| 17:02.37 | ma401 | why did you end up getting a zaurus? |
| 17:02.41 | infinite- | ah i want only 1xxx but the 760 is ok too :) |
| 17:02.47 | infinite- | wlel i bought one for a friend off ebay |
| 17:02.51 | infinite- | and i fell in love with it.. :) |
| 17:02.54 | infinite- | the hardware, wow.. |
| 17:03.00 | ma401 | haha yup :) |
| 17:03.14 | infinite- | :D |
| 17:03.34 | ma401 | it was the linux part of things that nabbed me, I was sick of trying to make programs work on old software |
| 17:03.44 | infinite- | ah, here GPRS is the problem |
| 17:03.47 | infinite- | cant get it to work :( |
| 17:03.51 | infinite- | one of my most important uses |
| 17:04.44 | ma401 | no kidding :( |
| 17:04.51 | ma401 | have you tried under pdaXrom? |
| 17:06.04 | infinite- | no, |
| 17:06.15 | infinite- | because i dont have the abilities to install and config etc the bt drivers there |
| 17:06.21 | infinite- | im a newbie with linux... :P |
| 17:06.22 | infinite- | so i'm using cacko :) |
| 17:06.43 | infinite- | maybe i'll try pdaxrom later. thats what you're using? |
| 17:06.55 | ma401 | I keep switching back and forth, can never make up my mind |
| 17:06.59 | ma401 | I'm using cacko right now |
| 17:07.08 | ma401 | I find it's speedier than pdaXrom, and I really like Opera |
| 17:14.17 | *** join/#zaurus incinerator (n=incinera@82-41-24-164.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 17:14.56 | infinite- | speedier than pdaxrom? |
| 17:15.00 | infinite- | that surprises me. |
| 17:15.04 | infinite- | why is that :D |
| 17:15.18 | infinite- | i dont like opera as much as i like netfront's speed!! |
| 17:15.18 | infinite- | :) |
| 17:15.38 | ma401 | I just find everything reacts a bit quicker, perhaps? Maybe I'm insane.. |
| 17:16.11 | Sketch | opera seemed faster to me when i tried it |
| 17:16.27 | infinite- | hum |
| 17:16.35 | infinite- | maybe its faster on pages you regularly visit |
| 17:16.47 | ljp | x is slow, and cacko probably uses sharp libs which has accelerated display driver |
| 17:17.03 | infinite- | i see! |
| 17:17.09 | infinite- | btw what is firefox like on pdaxrom? :D |
| 17:17.13 | infinite- | (speed) |
| 17:17.30 | ljp | probably bloated and slow :) |
| 17:17.35 | ma401 | pretty slow to load on my 760, but not bad when you get it up and running |
| 17:17.36 | infinite- | yeah too bloated for my PC |
| 17:17.40 | infinite- | but it would be fun to try it |
| 17:17.45 | infinite- | how slow to load? |
| 17:17.46 | subdue | the 3200 just made engadet |
| 17:17.51 | ma401 | 15-20 seconds at least |
| 17:17.56 | sashz_ | x not slow |
| 17:17.59 | sashz_ | qt slow |
| 17:17.59 | ljp | try something like dillo is you must |
| 17:18.02 | subdue | http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/07/sharp-zaurus-sl-c3200-pda-with-6gb-hdd/ |
| 17:18.08 | sashz_ | applications on pdaxrom not slow |
| 17:18.18 | ljp | qts not slow! |
| 17:18.24 | sashz_ | that slower than sharp rom because libraries not preloader |
| 17:18.29 | sashz_ | qts slow |
| 17:18.42 | ljp | you got numbers to prove it? ;) |
| 17:18.46 | subdue | http://www.akihabaranews.com/news-11303-The+new+Sharp+Zaurus+SL-C3200+!.html |
| 17:18.51 | ma401 | lol, angry comments galore on that engadget post |
| 17:18.52 | sashz_ | :) |
| 17:22.35 | subdue | The C3200, powered by a 416 MHz Intel PXA270 chip, adds a couple of gigs of disk space to go with its 64MB of RAM and 128MB of ROM. Available March 17 for $640 in Japan. |
| 17:23.05 | ma401 | that seems such a marginal update over the 3100 |
| 17:23.06 | infinite- | hm then whats slower? |
| 17:23.12 | infinite- | i'll flash pdaxrom in just to see this :P |
| 17:23.23 | infinite- | ma401 theres at least an update! |
| 17:23.29 | infinite- | same cannot be said of hpcs you know |
| 17:23.30 | *** join/#zaurus Hhhhhhhh (n=Hhhhhhhh@128.187.81.240) |
| 17:23.49 | ma401 | true, true |
| 17:24.02 | ma401 | but why not a 624mhz CPU or built in wifi/bt or something? |
| 17:24.03 | ljp | hm... no offical announcment from sharp? |
| 17:24.30 | infinite- | So yet another disappointing release by Sharp, that see their pocket computers, release after release, transformed more and more into an oversized dictionary. |
| 17:24.32 | infinite- | hrm... |
| 17:24.40 | infinite- | builtin bt |
| 17:24.42 | ljp | they \would have to spend $$ on a redesign |
| 17:24.44 | infinite- | yay would be good |
| 17:24.57 | Sketch | http://www.sharp.co.jp/corporate/news/060307-a.html |
| 17:25.08 | ma401 | dictionary, eh? I haven't even tried installing dictionary software yet |
| 17:25.19 | infinite- | me neither.... |
| 17:25.28 | infinite- | i have stdict on my other pda's but never use it lol |
| 17:25.30 | infinite- | ok i used it once |
| 17:25.31 | infinite- | :) |
| 17:25.42 | ma401 | there ya go! |
| 17:26.21 | infinite- | :D |
| 17:29.18 | ljp | hmm tts |
| 17:29.30 | infinite- | tts? |
| 17:29.58 | ma401 | my perverted brain cannot help but throw an "i" in there |
| 17:30.03 | ma401 | sigh, perhaps I should go back to bed |
| 17:30.14 | infinite- | what i? |
| 17:30.14 | ljp | text to speech |
| 17:30.16 | infinite- | i'm confused now |
| 17:30.36 | infinite- | ljp, thanks |
| 17:30.37 | infinite- | :) |
| 17:30.38 | ljp | or, text into speech - tits |
| 17:30.43 | ma401 | :D |
| 17:31.07 | infinite- | oh i see! |
| 17:31.23 | infinite- | :) |
| 17:31.37 | ljp | monthly output quantity - 5000 unit |
| 17:31.37 | *** join/#zaurus sociopath (n=user@net34-155.netkaster.ca) |
| 17:31.42 | infinite- | huh? |
| 17:31.48 | ma401 | I want to pick up a 5600 just to play with |
| 17:31.58 | ljp | 5600 i snice |
| 17:32.27 | infinite- | it is not a clamshell.. |
| 17:32.40 | infinite- | :) |
| 17:32.55 | ljp | too bad that 3200 has qtopia 1.5 |
| 17:33.15 | ljp | that would be.. hmm.. 5 years old now |
| 17:33.35 | ljp | besides any improvements they added |
| 17:34.03 | infinite- | oh.. |
| 17:34.18 | infinite- | that doesnt sound promising for the future |
| 17:34.27 | infinite- | hope they wont stop producing the zaurus line |
| 17:34.43 | ma401 | even if they do, there are far more independent developers to let it die |
| 17:34.54 | ma401 | err, far more than there are for HPC |
| 17:35.02 | infinite- | yeah.. |
| 17:35.13 | Sketch | until the hardware becomes scarce |
| 17:35.17 | infinite- | we only have PB with the hpc's regarding OS developing |
| 17:35.21 | infinite- | linux seems better in this sense |
| 17:35.21 | infinite- | :) |
| 17:36.08 | ljp | i wish they update there qtopia :) |
| 17:36.17 | ljp | their, that is |
| 17:37.49 | infinite- | :O |
| 17:37.52 | infinite- | maybe in the 3300 |
| 17:38.01 | ljp | nope |
| 17:38.02 | infinite- | but i would anyway flash the rom to something else |
| 17:38.11 | ljp | me too |
| 17:44.19 | infinite- | did any of you ever use gprs on a zaurus? |
| 17:44.44 | ljp | nope. we dont have satellites in australia |
| 17:44.54 | ljp | heh.. jk |
| 17:45.51 | ma401 | I used it back on my axim, but it was painless then ;p |
| 17:46.10 | ma401 | gprs is far too expensive to use for tethering in Canada |
| 17:46.18 | ma401 | stupid wireless carriers *grumbleS* |
| 17:47.15 | infinite- | it is quite cheap here |
| 17:47.23 | infinite- | yes it is painless on a CE machine |
| 17:47.31 | infinite- | painful with the zaurus, i just cannot get it to work :( |
| 17:47.58 | ljp | did you shake it? sometimes that helps |
| 17:48.01 | sashz_ | cost for 1MB? |
| 17:48.01 | infinite- | lol |
| 17:48.06 | infinite- | well |
| 17:48.29 | infinite- | 15$ for 200 mb |
| 17:48.33 | ma401 | hah |
| 17:48.37 | ma401 | it's $15 CDN for 100mb here |
| 17:48.39 | infinite- | in my currency (i'm not in the US) |
| 17:48.39 | ma401 | I mean |
| 17:48.40 | ma401 | $100 CDN |
| 17:48.43 | infinite- | oh |
| 17:48.50 | infinite- | tzhats ridiculously overpriced |
| 17:48.55 | ma401 | hells yes. |
| 17:48.58 | infinite- | btw i meant my 15 in US$ |
| 17:49.02 | ma401 | ahh |
| 17:49.07 | infinite- | there are other packages too |
| 17:49.09 | ma401 | 100 CDN is what.. 85 USD? |
| 17:49.11 | infinite- | 50 for 9$ |
| 17:49.11 | infinite- | and so on |
| 17:49.18 | infinite- | 50 mb |
| 17:49.19 | ma401 | I'm jealous :( |
| 17:49.20 | sashz_ | infinite-, are you from? |
| 17:49.23 | infinite- | hungary |
| 17:49.25 | infinite- | europe |
| 17:49.26 | infinite- | :) |
| 17:49.28 | ma401 | I pay $60 CDN for unlimited data on my CDMA Blackberry |
| 17:49.31 | sashz_ | arh, |
| 17:49.36 | sashz_ | forme 14$ for 200MB |
| 17:49.39 | sashz_ | in russia |
| 17:49.45 | infinite- | hehe around the same, cool |
| 17:49.53 | infinite- | actually i get only 100 mb, |
| 17:49.57 | infinite- | because i'm not on a contract |
| 17:49.59 | infinite- | using a prepaid card |
| 17:50.04 | sashz_ | me too |
| 17:50.06 | infinite- | :) |
| 17:50.10 | infinite- | russia wins then :) |
| 17:50.16 | ma401 | boo. |
| 17:50.23 | sashz_ | they says CMDA will here soon |
| 17:50.28 | infinite- | :D |
| 17:50.31 | infinite- | we have only gsm |
| 17:50.34 | ljp | not sure what it is here in australia, but probably $10 a byte |
| 17:50.42 | ma401 | CDMA's not so hot, I only use it because it's cheaper |
| 17:50.44 | sashz_ | CDMA works now, but in test mode |
| 17:50.47 | infinite- | (gprs.. edge.. but 3G is just being beta tested) |
| 17:50.53 | ma401 | I'd be back on GSM in a flash if data wasn't so retardedly overpriced here |
| 17:51.01 | infinite- | ljp thats alot |
| 17:51.05 | sashz_ | hmm |
| 17:51.17 | sashz_ | --- (gprs.. edge.. but 3G is just being beta tested) -- the same here |
| 17:51.22 | ljp | i was probably exagerating |
| 17:51.28 | sashz_ | curiosy, i thought you from my place |
| 17:52.13 | infinite- | i'd like a 3G phone |
| 17:52.19 | ma401 | our big GSM carrier should be rolling out HSDPA this year, but if data prices stay like they do nobody will be able to afford it :D |
| 17:52.20 | infinite- | but one that can do edge too - they're almost non existant! |
| 17:52.22 | ljp | me? i'm from us |
| 17:52.26 | infinite- | orvery expensive & coming soon |
| 17:52.31 | ma401 | infinite-, how long have you had a t39 for? |
| 17:52.35 | ma401 | I had one a few years back |
| 17:52.36 | infinite- | i think 1,5 years |
| 17:52.38 | infinite- | why? :) |
| 17:52.44 | ma401 | I love it, it's so cute |
| 17:52.57 | ma401 | my phone now = ugly |
| 17:53.06 | sashz_ | infinite-, i mean |
| 17:53.20 | ljp | i bricked my phone |
| 17:53.28 | ma401 | nice :D |
| 17:53.55 | sashz_ | i use motorola C380 - old but with normal USB connector, and works fine as USB modem |
| 17:54.50 | ljp | actually, I think it bricked itself. coulnt have been me remounting cramfs in rw and deleting fstab |
| 17:55.21 | infinite- | oh how? which phone was that? |
| 17:55.30 | ljp | philips 968 |
| 17:55.30 | infinite- | its a cute phone, t39, yes |
| 17:55.34 | infinite- | but doesnt like my zaurus :( |
| 17:55.39 | infinite- | or the zaurus doesnt like it :( :( |
| 17:56.15 | ma401 | time to upgrade to a sexy Nokia that supports EDGE :D |
| 17:57.16 | sashz | infinite-, you use bluetooth? |
| 17:57.25 | infinite- | yes bt |
| 17:57.40 | ljp | i still need to get a bt card |
| 17:57.41 | infinite- | i dont realy like nokia, but i'd still get one |
| 17:57.45 | infinite- | but this is only nokia 6230 |
| 17:57.55 | infinite- | that supports edge, bt, infra and not too rare |
| 17:57.56 | infinite- | but |
| 17:58.05 | infinite- | its bt is instable with many devices |
| 17:58.06 | infinite- | so |
| 17:58.09 | infinite- | i dont want to waste my money on it |
| 17:58.11 | infinite- | :( |
| 17:58.17 | infinite- | ljp: a loto f bt cards work fine in the zaurus |
| 17:58.27 | infinite- | i tried 4 kinds of cf bt cards: |
| 17:58.29 | ljp | waiting on a gprs card |
| 17:58.36 | infinite- | oh |
| 17:58.40 | infinite- | would be nice, which one is compatible? |
| 17:58.50 | ljp | hopefully the one i bought :) |
| 17:59.00 | sashz | infinite-, ask there: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showforum=26 |
| 17:59.34 | pgas | ambicom gprs works with the zaurus IIRC |
| 17:59.42 | ma401 | infinite-, have you ever owned a Symbian pda? |
| 18:00.11 | ljp | hm.. now I cant find that receipt |
| 18:00.12 | ma401 | http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=684 and that's the phone for you :D |
| 18:00.16 | ma401 | the 6681, rather |
| 18:00.20 | ma401 | with the Euro triband |
| 18:01.53 | infinite- | i have already asked on oesf forunms |
| 18:02.07 | infinite- | no one helped.. hmm except that i can get bluefig which should support my phone |
| 18:02.13 | infinite- | afraid its not free but i dunno yet :) |
| 18:02.27 | infinite- | (my nick on oesf is cmoenx) |
| 18:02.28 | infinite- | cmonex |
| 18:02.37 | infinite- | 6682.. hm |
| 18:02.47 | infinite- | btw symbian pda: yes if psion counts. |
| 18:02.54 | ma401 | it totally does! |
| 18:02.58 | ma401 | I had a revo plus back in the day |
| 18:03.11 | infinite- | :D |
| 18:03.20 | infinite- | i started with a 3a then mc218 (5mx clone) |
| 18:03.27 | infinite- | got the 3a back in 2000 |
| 18:03.36 | infinite- | had it before my first PC lol |
| 18:03.45 | ljp | ya, its ambicom |
| 18:04.12 | ljp | so I can test qtopia phone on a zaurus |
| 18:04.22 | infinite- | ah, ambicom. is it class 10 gprs? or maybe edge? |
| 18:04.25 | infinite- | :D |
| 18:04.27 | infinite- | price? :) |
| 18:04.57 | ljp | http://www.mobileplanet.com/product.asp?code=120405&sbdel=emptybasket |
| 18:05.21 | infinite- | thanks! |
| 18:05.22 | infinite- | hmm |
| 18:05.47 | infinite- | $170.95 |
| 18:05.49 | infinite- | oops :( |
| 18:06.02 | ma401 | lol |
| 18:06.05 | infinite- | my nokia d211 cost only 42 EUR with shipping,.,. |
| 18:06.09 | infinite- | US$ 60 maybe? |
| 18:06.19 | infinite- | too bad it's not CF, it's pcmcia :( |
| 18:06.29 | infinite- | (gsm & gprs & wlan. no voice) |
| 18:07.02 | sashz | build PCMCIA to CF adaptor? |
| 18:07.18 | ma401 | http://cgi.ebay.ca/Audiovox-RTM-8000-Tri-Band-GSM-GPRS-CF-PCMICIA-card_W0QQitemZ5875367831QQcategoryZ69926QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 18:07.27 | ma401 | lol sashz, that'd be painful to carry around |
| 18:07.29 | ccooke | ah, the ambicom card is quite nice |
| 18:07.52 | ccooke | I just got one of those working for a friend using a c3000 with the c3kb1 rom. |
| 18:08.03 | ljp | wooohoo. good to hear |
| 18:08.03 | ccooke | Ended up porting half of cacko 1.23 to the thing :-) |
| 18:08.08 | ma401 | :D |
| 18:08.13 | infinite- | pcmcia to cf adapter |
| 18:08.15 | infinite- | that does exist |
| 18:08.22 | infinite- | i saw it in the flesh |
| 18:08.26 | ccooke | infinite-: ... yes, but... ick. |
| 18:08.27 | ljp | havent seen one |
| 18:08.27 | infinite- | but ... it would be tooooo big |
| 18:08.28 | infinite- | so no way |
| 18:08.45 | ljp | if not, one could easily build one |
| 18:08.48 | ma401 | indeed |
| 18:08.50 | Sketch | if it was U shaped and made for the zaurus it wouldn't be too bad |
| 18:08.52 | ma401 | but it would be hideous |
| 18:08.53 | infinite- | ccooke: did you ever use gprs with a bt phone? :)û |
| 18:09.02 | infinite- | but the pcmcia card is just too big |
| 18:09.06 | infinite- | it isnt the adaptor's size |
| 18:09.09 | Sketch | (so that it sat directly underneath) |
| 18:09.11 | infinite- | the pcmcia is alrady too big :) |
| 18:09.13 | infinite- | oh |
| 18:09.18 | infinite- | still no go for me .) |
| 18:09.24 | infinite- | thanos for the ebay link |
| 18:09.32 | ccooke | infinite-: hmm. well, O2 |
| 18:09.39 | infinite- | hm |
| 18:09.42 | infinite- | :) |
| 18:09.53 | infinite- | my problem is: i can connect but no data transfer. cannot ping anything |
| 18:09.59 | ccooke | who was thinking of getting an ambicom? |
| 18:10.18 | ccooke | infinite-: have you tried calling your mobile company? many sims are locked by default |
| 18:10.31 | infinite- | gah |
| 18:10.35 | infinite- | it works fine with other pda's |
| 18:10.38 | ccooke | also, the gprs profile used by the phone for phone stuff is sometimes *not* the profile you use on the internet |
| 18:10.43 | infinite- | my phone is unlocked, data is active, etc |
| 18:10.53 | ccooke | right |
| 18:10.54 | infinite- | my t39 can only use one CID for gprs, the first one |
| 18:10.59 | infinite- | and i dont have any other CIDs set up |
| 18:11.15 | ccooke | how have you used it? |
| 18:11.19 | infinite- | how do you mean? |
| 18:11.38 | sashz | infinite-, http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showforum=26 |
| 18:11.41 | ccooke | how have you connected to a GPRS network with that sim? via bluetooth? a GPRS card? |
| 18:12.02 | champ | does anyone use anything besides a zaurus? |
| 18:12.06 | infinite- | i did post in the forums |
| 18:12.07 | ccooke | Hmm, that reminds me |
| 18:12.10 | infinite- | (my name is cmonex there) |
| 18:12.13 | infinite- | via bluetooth |
| 18:12.23 | ccooke | does anyone know if Cacko 1.23 is still being ported to the C3000? |
| 18:12.25 | sashz | infinite-, or try PM to maslovsky |
| 18:12.27 | infinite- | i have four bluetooth cards all work only as far as connecting |
| 18:12.37 | infinite- | wow, nice idea |
| 18:12.52 | ma401 | champ, I've an old clie kicking around and I just got rid of my PPC |
| 18:13.02 | infinite- | i have alot more pda's |
| 18:13.06 | infinite- | but this zaurus is amazing |
| 18:13.07 | ccooke | again: who was thinking of using an ambicom card? |
| 18:13.08 | infinite- | except gprs :S |
| 18:13.14 | infinite- | me, but its so expensive :) |
| 18:13.17 | ccooke | ah, right |
| 18:13.29 | ccooke | what zaurus do you have? |
| 18:13.36 | infinite- | C760 :) |
| 18:13.39 | infinite- | cacko 1.23 |
| 18:13.41 | ccooke | right. |
| 18:13.45 | ccooke | you should be fine, then |
| 18:13.59 | infinite- | yes? |
| 18:14.02 | infinite- | well apparently not :( |
| 18:14.13 | infinite- | does it matter that my phone is an ericsson T39? |
| 18:14.18 | ccooke | no, with the ambicom, should you decide to get it. |
| 18:14.23 | ccooke | infinite-: it can matter. |
| 18:14.25 | infinite- | ah, i see |
| 18:14.32 | infinite- | (i'll let you know if i ever get the ambicom) |
| 18:14.55 | infinite- | so... any ideas what to try? :) |
| 18:15.01 | ccooke | (there was a really *fun* problem with the ambicom and the c3000/c3b1 - when you insert it, all CF devices are suspended...) |
| 18:15.15 | ccooke | hmm |
| 18:15.39 | ccooke | well, the thing to do is find out what your zaurus is doing differently |
| 18:15.44 | infinite- | yes |
| 18:15.46 | ccooke | you can definitely see the phone, right? |
| 18:15.47 | infinite- | how to find out? :) |
| 18:15.50 | infinite- | yes |
| 18:15.52 | infinite- | i can connect |
| 18:15.53 | ccooke | okay. |
| 18:15.53 | infinite- | i get an IP |
| 18:15.56 | infinite- | dns server and gateway |
| 18:16.02 | infinite- | but no ping works :( |
| 18:16.04 | ccooke | right, which means your ppp is certainly working. |
| 18:16.27 | ccooke | on the other PDAs you've used, what configuration did you have to do? |
| 18:16.42 | infinite- | just phone number (*99***1#), nothing else! :) t39 doesnt need a special init string afaik |
| 18:16.58 | infinite- | whats more if i used the AT+CGDCONT... string on the zaurus it wouldnt even connect |
| 18:16.58 | ccooke | right. |
| 18:17.05 | ccooke | hum. |
| 18:17.46 | infinite- | yes? |
| 18:17.47 | infinite- | :) |
| 18:18.14 | ccooke | ah, might have found it |
| 18:18.20 | ccooke | http://turtiainen.dna.fi/GPRS-HOWTO |
| 18:18.35 | ccooke | scroll down to 'ERICSSON T39' ;-) |
| 18:18.49 | infinite- | yeah i saw that one.. does cacko have this async something module? |
| 18:18.57 | infinite- | (sorry i'm a newbie :) ) |
| 18:20.28 | infinite- | soo? :) |
| 18:21.03 | *** join/#zaurus champ_ (n=champ@216.85.238.67) |
| 18:21.17 | ccooke | hmm. seems not. |
| 18:22.25 | infinite- | :( |
| 18:22.27 | infinite- | so what can be done |
| 18:24.41 | infinite- | do i have a chance or not? :) |
| 18:24.43 | ljp | recompile kernel? |
| 18:25.18 | infinite- | i dont know how to do that |
| 18:25.43 | infinite- | i did see someone compiled that module for (hm forgot which rom, sharp?), and it worked.. but they didnt answer me so far :( |
| 18:26.20 | infinite- | sorry, have to go for a moment, will be back in 10 mins |
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| 18:42.38 | infinite- | hi, back |
| 18:45.04 | infinite- | any solutions to my problem with t39 or hopeless case? |
| 18:46.40 | infinite- | because as isaid i have no idea how to recompile kernel :( |
| 18:46.44 | sashz | infinite-, you understand russian? |
| 18:46.47 | sashz | http://www.hpc.ru/board/viewtopic.php?t=37006&highlight=T39 |
| 18:46.49 | infinite- | no |
| 18:46.50 | sashz | there about T39 |
| 18:46.53 | infinite- | :( |
| 18:46.55 | sashz | and zaurus with cacko rom |
| 18:47.11 | infinite- | yes? whats there?? solution? |
| 18:47.12 | infinite- | :D |
| 18:47.17 | sashz | probably |
| 18:47.18 | sashz | http://www.hpc.ru/board/viewtopic.php?t=37006&highlight=T39 |
| 18:47.42 | sashz | look message from Kirill Limping |
| 18:47.55 | infinite- | hum i dont speak russian :( |
| 18:48.46 | infinite- | but thanks very much for the link :) |
| 18:49.41 | Sketch | babelfish.altavista.com |
| 18:49.48 | pgas | yeah this is a big problem to use a zaurus, you need to know japanese and russian :) |
| 18:50.44 | infinite- | lollol |
| 18:51.03 | infinite- | yeah babelfish could help lets see:) |
| 18:51.13 | infinite- | and thanks again!! |
| 18:51.27 | infinite- | brb |
| 18:51.49 | ccooke | out of interest... how come so many of the community developers are from russian-speaking countries? :-) |
| 18:52.24 | pgas | only 2 sashz and maslovsky :) |
| 18:52.37 | pgas | (pdaxrom and cacko) |
| 18:53.16 | ccooke | yes, but that's two of the biggest communities :-) |
| 18:55.47 | ccooke | and the biggest sharp-based rom. |
| 18:56.41 | ccooke | oh, and IIRC all the hardware mods I've seen have been on russian sites |
| 18:57.09 | ccooke | serendipity, I guess. But it's still interesting |
| 19:00.04 | ljp | cause russians wont get arrested for hardware mods |
| 19:00.41 | ma401 | would anyone, considering it's a japanese product? |
| 19:00.44 | sashz | hmm , why there must be arrest for hwmods? |
| 19:01.29 | ccooke | I don't believe there are any laws that would prevent it in the UK, at least |
| 19:01.47 | ccooke | more to the point, I haven't seen anything to believe that sharp would care... |
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| 19:05.38 | ljp | i was jesting |
| 19:06.29 | ccooke | ljp: ah ha. These days, it's hard to be sure with things like that :-) |
| 19:06.50 | ljp | :) |
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| 19:47.59 | Tomoe | LOL HY |
| 19:50.01 | sashz | y0 Tomoe |
| 19:50.27 | Tomoe | hy sashz |
| 19:50.31 | Tomoe | whats up |
| 19:50.40 | Tomoe | sashz, how do you feel about HTC Universal? |
| 19:50.54 | sashz | what iz it? |
| 19:51.27 | Tomoe | a clamshell pda/cellphone |
| 19:51.32 | sashz | hmm |
| 19:51.34 | Tomoe | just like zaurus, except better |
| 19:51.35 | Tomoe | lol |
| 19:51.41 | Tomoe | you haven't read about it? |
| 19:51.52 | Tomoe | it has builtin wifi, bluetooth and 3G |
| 19:52.00 | Tomoe | and 2 cameras, one 1.3Mpix on the outside |
| 19:52.13 | Tomoe | and 0.3M on the inside right next to the screen, for videochat |
| 19:52.13 | sashz | 640x40 screen? |
| 19:52.16 | Tomoe | yeah |
| 19:52.19 | sashz | 640x480 |
| 19:52.21 | Tomoe | and |
| 19:52.27 | Tomoe | illuminated keyboard!!! |
| 19:52.34 | Tomoe | lol |
| 19:52.49 | sashz | well, i can say - zaurus soset |
| 19:53.20 | Tomoe | I am pissed today lol |
| 19:53.25 | Tomoe | because of c3200 |
| 19:53.44 | sashz | hehe |
| 19:54.00 | ccooke | Tomoe: why? |
| 19:54.06 | ccooke | it's such a small upgrade... |
| 19:54.07 | Tomoe | hy ccooke |
| 19:54.13 | Tomoe | that's why |
| 19:54.29 | Tomoe | I've been waiting for a long time hoping it will be a bigger upgrade |
| 19:54.30 | ccooke | buy yourself a 6 gig CF and install it ;-) |
| 19:54.33 | ccooke | ahhh |
| 19:54.57 | ccooke | there's a problem, there |
| 19:55.17 | ccooke | the device as it stands is able to do everything they're selling it for easily |
| 19:55.50 | ccooke | I don't see any obvious upgrade path other than 'more storage' unless, say, wifi or bluetooth really takes off in japan |
| 19:55.58 | Tomoe | but with just couple minor upgrades it could do much more |
| 19:56.02 | Tomoe | wifi took off already |
| 19:56.10 | Tomoe | bluetooth not really |
| 19:56.33 | sashz | Tomoe, came back from japan? |
| 19:56.38 | Tomoe | no |
| 19:56.57 | Tomoe | I'm ssh-tunneling |
| 19:57.02 | Tomoe | if you ask about .hr |
| 19:57.31 | sashz | ya) |
| 19:57.59 | Tomoe | check htc universal specs online, I think you'll like it |
| 19:58.21 | Tomoe | only bad point when comparing with zaurus is lack of cf slot |
| 19:58.45 | Tomoe | but builtin wifi+bluetooth+3G more than make up for it imo |
| 19:59.32 | pgas | Tomoe: and perhaps that no linux kernel comes with it ;) |
| 19:59.42 | Tomoe | it doesn't |
| 20:00.01 | Tomoe | but tell me, do you use sharp's kennel or tetsu's or some other 3rd party build? |
| 20:00.08 | pgas | yeah i was on the bad points |
| 20:00.23 | pgas | Tomoe: pdaxrom? |
| 20:00.48 | Tomoe | pgas, http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=UniversalProgress |
| 20:01.05 | Tomoe | tehy run opie on it |
| 20:02.18 | pgas | Tomoe: yeah I ve seen this, doesn't say what drivers works though |
| 20:03.20 | pgas | if camera doesn't work, phone doesn't work, bluetooth and sd doesn't work it's not that interesting |
| 20:03.47 | Tomoe | camera works, dunno about the phone, bt works I think, dunno about sd |
| 20:03.50 | Tomoe | 2 32M ram chips infineon HYB18L256160bf-7.5 ( and room for 2 more, if you know how to solder bga, you can expand ) |
| 20:03.52 | Tomoe | <3 |
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| 20:04.55 | Tomoe | pgas: anyways, now it's rather unpolished |
| 20:05.11 | Tomoe | but I think they'll be able to make it work well |
| 20:05.24 | Tomoe | it shares most of the hardware with some motorola model which runs linux |
| 20:06.41 | pgas | Tomoe: cool, too bad it's so expensive .....it might be tempted ; |
| 20:06.48 | Tomoe | yeah |
| 20:06.58 | Tomoe | that's the #1 bad point |
| 20:06.59 | Tomoe | price |
| 20:08.05 | ma401 | lol yeah, that's a hella expensive linux machine |
| 20:08.09 | ma401 | do the phone apps all work? |
| 20:08.10 | ma401 | ish? |
| 20:08.36 | Tomoe | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=UniversalResearch |
| 20:09.11 | Tomoe | ma401: the linux development for it is still in its early stages |
| 20:09.22 | ma401 | ah |
| 20:10.22 | Tomoe | but teh future is bright <3 |
| 20:10.41 | Tomoe | and for the price issue, DoCoMo will carry it from second half of this year |
| 20:10.53 | Tomoe | it will probably be cheap |
| 20:11.07 | Tomoe | so for people in japan s'cool |
| 20:11.17 | Tomoe | and maybe that will get sharp going again |
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| 20:37.10 | infinite- | hi all again! :) |
| 20:37.43 | Tomoe | lol hy |
| 20:38.12 | infinite- | :) |
| 20:38.18 | infinite- | sashz: didnt work :( |
| 20:38.28 | infinite- | if i understood right, i need the phone in discoverable mode |
| 20:38.30 | infinite- | it didnt help.. |
| 20:38.43 | infinite- | or did i misunderstand something on that russian page? :) |
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| 21:50.56 | ma401 | question! there must be somebody here.. |
| 21:51.04 | ccooke | hmm? |
| 21:51.32 | ma401 | any idea if it's possible to install x/qt using a cramfs image and then manually install packages after that? |
| 21:51.41 | ccooke | hmm |
| 21:52.13 | ccooke | it should be possible, but it is likely to be a) more fragile than normal and b) possibly require additional technical skills |
| 21:52.33 | ma401 | bah! |
| 21:52.35 | ma401 | bah I say! |
| 21:52.37 | ma401 | humbug, even |
| 21:52.44 | infinite- | yeah i wanted to know that |
| 21:52.48 | infinite- | i want to install xpdf |
| 21:53.00 | infinite- | will install cramfs now and then xpdf, how can i do that :) |
| 21:53.05 | ccooke | well, IIRC the x/qt cramfs image just sits there and adds symlinks to the base install |
| 21:53.24 | infinite- | wha does that mean for the average not so educated user? :) |
| 21:53.43 | ma401 | well I've got 60 megs free in flash rom anyways, I suppose I could just do a vanilla install |
| 21:54.07 | ccooke | it means: Don't mess with this unless you're willing to break things. Just stick to the guidelines. |
| 21:54.34 | infinite- | so i cannot install xpdf? |
| 21:54.46 | ccooke | I didn't say that, I think. |
| 21:55.20 | ccooke | (although, I can recommend qpdf - I use it myself fairly often) |
| 21:56.05 | infinite- | qpdf2 isnt working for me |
| 21:56.19 | infinite- | except if ican install fonts or dunno whats the solutrion, it wont handle some of my pdfs by default. |
| 21:56.42 | infinite- | i know xdf handles those pdf's |
| 21:56.45 | infinite- | so.. :) |
| 21:56.49 | ccooke | ah |
| 21:56.53 | ccooke | hmm |
| 21:57.10 | infinite- | yes? :) |
| 21:57.52 | ccooke | so... sorry. |
| 21:58.13 | ccooke | about all I recall is the first install buggering up completely :-) |
| 21:58.24 | ma401 | lol I'm backing up now just in case |
| 21:58.29 | infinite- | :) |
| 21:58.41 | infinite- | hm if i install the normal package to rom |
| 21:58.48 | infinite- | is it easier to install xpdf then? |
| 21:58.50 | infinite- | or anything :) |
| 21:59.02 | ma401 | if you want to wait half an hour or so I can give you a definite answer on that.. |
| 21:59.22 | infinite- | sure i'll wait :) |
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| 22:02.18 | infinite- | ccooke, btw do you remember my gprs problem? :) |
| 22:04.32 | ccooke | yes? |
| 22:04.58 | infinite- | do you have any idea about that module? :) |
| 22:07.03 | ccooke | no, sorry |
| 22:07.09 | ccooke | haven't looked since |
| 22:11.18 | infinite- | i see :) |
| 22:11.31 | infinite- | thanks anyway |
| 22:15.56 | infinite- | will you have time later if i can ask? :) |
| 22:17.44 | ccooke | hmm. |
| 22:18.42 | ccooke | your best bet, I think, would be installing a new kernel that uses the modules |
| 22:19.10 | infinite- | yes, but i couldnt find anything yet |
| 22:19.15 | ccooke | the cacko kernel, it seems, has ppp compiled in directly |
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| 22:19.42 | ccooke | it's likely that there's a kernel option you could pass, but I have no idea at all how you would do that on the zaurus |
| 22:19.59 | infinite- | how do you mean it is compiled in directly? |
| 22:20.13 | infinite- | (sorry really, i'm not an advanced user! :) ) |
| 22:21.51 | ccooke | with the linux kernel, most functionality can be compiled in two ways: |
| 22:22.13 | ccooke | either directly (where the code is included in the kernel binary) or as a module |
| 22:22.47 | ccooke | code in the kernel binary is always present - it takes a certain amount of memory, it's always there and you don't have to do anything to activate it. |
| 22:23.00 | ccooke | modules are blocks of code which can be loaded and unloaded as the kernel likes |
| 22:23.07 | ccooke | or as you like:-) |
| 22:23.21 | infinite- | i see :) |
| 22:23.27 | infinite- | and what was this about passing a kernel option? |
| 22:23.51 | ccooke | the ppp networking subsystem is split into several kernel modules; it seems that the cacko rom loads all of them into the kernel binary. |
| 22:24.46 | infinite- | and what does this mean in practice? for my case for example :) |
| 22:25.23 | ccooke | well... when you initialise a device driver - such as a bit of the ppp driver - you can pass it arguments |
| 22:25.42 | ccooke | if it's compiled as a module, this is easy - you load it with those arguments |
| 22:26.07 | ccooke | if it's compiled into the kernel, though... you have to pass it those options upon initilisation. |
| 22:26.17 | ccooke | which means "at or before the kernel boots" |
| 22:26.41 | ccooke | for this reason, the linux kernel can take a set of command line options |
| 22:27.14 | infinite- | ah, i see |
| 22:27.42 | ccooke | (for instance, if you type 'cat /proc/cmdline' on any linux machine, you'll see the command line the kernel was booted with. For most installs this will at least say 'root=/something', telling the kernel where the root of the filesystem is) |
| 22:28.03 | ccooke | however, as I said... how you'd do that on a zaurus I *don't* know |
| 22:28.22 | ccooke | it could be very easy - it should, really - but I doubt there's any docs on it. |
| 22:28.36 | ccooke | Ask one of the people who build kernels - they may know. |
| 22:28.47 | infinite- | not sure i understand: i woudl "just" have to get the kernel to take the option at booting, or is there more work? |
| 22:28.50 | infinite- | who are those people? :) |
| 22:29.00 | ljp | you have to compile a new kernel to change the cmdline |
| 22:29.41 | infinite- | ah :( |
| 22:29.44 | infinite- | i see... |
| 22:29.59 | infinite- | i have no idea where to start that :P |
| 22:30.11 | infinite- | compiling a new kernel |
| 22:30.48 | infinite- | it will take a fair bit of time to become a more advanced user, so i dont know what to doû |
| 22:33.36 | infinite- | who are those people? :) who do such things |
| 22:35.47 | ljp | i might do it for you, if I had some extra time on my hands |
| 22:36.25 | infinite- | hey that would be REALLY nice of you ;) |
| 22:36.44 | infinite- | does it take a lot of time?û |
| 22:40.17 | ljp | not especially, but I have too many things to do. |
| 22:40.28 | ljp | what device and which module? |
| 22:43.03 | infinite- | C760, cacko 1.23, ericsson T39, and i think the module is called ppp_async.o |
| 22:43.06 | infinite- | link to it: |
| 22:43.17 | infinite- | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=5809&hl= |
| 22:44.01 | ccooke | ljp: according to one site I found, the T39 needs a particular option on the ppp_async module |
| 22:44.24 | ljp | i can try, but I am not sure when I can get around to it |
| 22:44.40 | infinite- | yeah site is http://turtiainen.dna.fi/GPRS-HOWTO |
| 22:45.06 | infinite- | oh well new question is not how but when :) lol |
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| 22:50.23 | ljp | could you do a uname -a for me? |
| 22:51.34 | infinite- | me? sure |
| 22:51.38 | infinite- | what doesthat command do btw |
| 22:51.39 | infinite- | ? |
| 22:51.56 | ljp | just tells you the version of kernel you are running on the device |
| 22:53.22 | infinite- | 2.4.18.-rmk7-pxa3-embedix #24 and the date |
| 23:03.45 | infinite- | does it say anytrhing to you? |
| 23:03.46 | infinite- | :) |
| 23:05.53 | ljp | yup |
| 23:06.26 | infinite- | :D exactly what? |
| 23:06.28 | infinite- | if i can ask |
| 23:06.32 | W8TVI | anyone want a palm zire 71? |
| 23:08.19 | champ | i do |
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| 23:09.17 | ma401 | I'll take it! :D |
| 23:09.32 | champ | W8TVI: how much? |
| 23:09.34 | ljp | me me m eme! |
| 23:09.40 | W8TVI | um.... |
| 23:09.42 | W8TVI | lol |
| 23:09.45 | ma401 | lol |
| 23:10.10 | infinite- | lol.. i dont want it. |
| 23:10.18 | infinite- | the only OS i dont want is palm:) |
| 23:10.29 | ma401 | infinite-, palm is fun though :p |
| 23:10.33 | ma401 | I've got a PalmOS watch :D |
| 23:10.42 | infinite- | lol |
| 23:10.47 | infinite- | hmm is it water resistant? |
| 23:10.56 | infinite- | i mean its a pain when even your watch is sensitive to stuff |
| 23:10.59 | W8TVI | well, for just the pda (PDA, OEM case, cradle) I'd like $100 + shipping. |
| 23:11.01 | infinite- | i know what it is like with a pda phone |
| 23:11.03 | ma401 | nah probably not |
| 23:11.14 | ma401 | I keep it away from water, it's too pretty |
| 23:11.33 | W8TVI | my wrist pda seems to be splash resistant. |
| 23:12.05 | infinite- | mhm, hmm |
| 23:12.11 | infinite- | i wont want a pda watch then :( |
| 23:12.19 | W8TVI | I've got too many PDAs |
| 23:12.19 | infinite- | painful enough with a pda phone :) |
| 23:12.23 | infinite- | how many? |
| 23:12.24 | infinite- | :) |
| 23:12.30 | W8TVI | er... |
| 23:12.34 | infinite- | 30? :) |
| 23:12.34 | W8TVI | let me count |
| 23:12.48 | ma401 | W8TVI, which wirst PDA have you? |
| 23:14.08 | W8TVI | wrist pda (Fossil Abacus AU5006), palm IIIc, palm Zire 71, zaurus 5500, and zaurus 5000d |
| 23:14.11 | infinite- | thats all? |
| 23:14.25 | W8TVI | at the moment |
| 23:14.32 | infinite- | i see |
| 23:14.33 | W8TVI | I also have a non-working 5500 |
| 23:14.41 | infinite- | you dont like clamshells do you? |
| 23:14.41 | infinite- | :) |
| 23:15.04 | W8TVI | didn't have the money for the clamshell style |
| 23:15.30 | infinite- | champ: which model do you like the best? |
| 23:15.47 | W8TVI | both my zaurii need new batterys |
| 23:15.50 | infinite- | hey |
| 23:15.53 | infinite- | you can get them at LFL |
| 23:15.54 | infinite- | for 15$ |
| 23:15.55 | champ | i would be happy with any of the clamshells |
| 23:15.57 | infinite- | ive ordered one |
| 23:15.58 | infinite- | for my C760 |
| 23:15.59 | champ | i like the 6000 too |
| 23:16.00 | ma401 | W8TVI, I've got the FX2008 |
| 23:16.01 | W8TVI | where? |
| 23:16.03 | infinite- | www.laptopsforless.com |
| 23:16.08 | infinite- | sharp pda batteries, there |
| 23:16.08 | W8TVI | ah |
| 23:16.09 | champ | the 5500 and 5600 aren't bad either |
| 23:16.11 | infinite- | EA-BL08! |
| 23:16.14 | infinite- | 1700 mAh |
| 23:16.22 | infinite- | compatible with 5xxx and C7xx and C8xx |
| 23:16.24 | infinite- | dunno about others |
| 23:16.34 | W8TVI | last time I looked they wanted $30 |
| 23:16.37 | infinite- | yes |
| 23:16.40 | infinite- | but theres a discount! |
| 23:16.50 | infinite- | get them while they're hot! :) |
| 23:17.02 | W8TVI | lol |
| 23:17.04 | infinite- | :D |
| 23:17.16 | infinite- | and free shipping over 30$ |
| 23:17.37 | infinite- | btw, xpdf: cramfs thing alreafdy has it... found it out only now LOL |
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| 23:19.10 | infinite- | anyone using wellenreiter? |
| 23:19.23 | W8TVI | I've used it |
| 23:22.27 | W8TVI | so champ, not interested? |
| 23:24.25 | champ | not for a 100 bucks, i would rather get a cheap zaurus |
| 23:25.24 | infinite- | get a C760 |
| 23:25.27 | infinite- | 300$ |
| 23:25.29 | infinite- | as easy as that |
| 23:25.40 | infinite- | ok warranty is only 3 months |
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| 23:50.52 | infinite- | ok if someone tried cramfs: it wont start anything for me. |
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