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| 07:33.09 | Hhhhh | ok, question: what are the Zaurii's strengths over other handheld devices? |
| 07:40.53 | kendrick | oh man |
| 07:41.04 | kendrick | well, not that i've played with many other than my old Palm III and Agenda VR3 |
| 07:41.10 | kendrick | but it's like having a mini PC in your hand |
| 07:41.16 | Hhhhh | awesome |
| 07:41.24 | Hhhhh | which one do you have? |
| 07:41.26 | kendrick | (this is coming from someone who has an SL-5500, not a clamshell variety ;) ) |
| 07:41.31 | Hhhhh | all right |
| 07:41.37 | kendrick | now, admittedly, i don't use it much lately |
| 07:41.38 | Hhhhh | is the 5500 fine memory-wise? |
| 07:41.47 | kendrick | just not much reason to do PDA stuff for some reason |
| 07:41.53 | kendrick | but it's an awesome MP3 player : |
| 07:41.53 | kendrick | :) |
| 07:41.54 | Hhhhh | like, for MP3 playback and stuff? |
| 07:41.57 | Hhhhh | all right |
| 07:42.02 | kendrick | memory-wise? pretty good |
| 07:42.09 | Hhhhh | you have added memory or something? |
| 07:42.21 | kendrick | nah |
| 07:42.28 | Hhhhh | is 64 MB RAM/16 MB internal flash enough? |
| 07:42.29 | kendrick | it _was_ quite an upgrade from the SL-5000D :) |
| 07:42.46 | kendrick | wasn't it 64 flash, 32 RAM? |
| 07:42.55 | kendrick | oh wait, it's all RAM |
| 07:42.58 | Hhhhh | is that the 5600? |
| 07:43.00 | kendrick | or crap... god, i haven't played with it much :) |
| 07:43.09 | kendrick | it's 64 RAM, 32 used for file, i _think_ |
| 07:43.20 | kendrick | the 5000D was 32 RAM, 16 used for file |
| 07:43.38 | kendrick | or something... sheesh, it's been like 5 years since i paid much attention to specs |
| 07:43.52 | kendrick | they keep coming out with new ones every two weeks, it seems, so i don't even know what's out there any more :) |
| 07:44.03 | Hhhhh | kendrick, I'm looking in http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=General#What_is_the_Zaurus.3F |
| 07:44.25 | Hhhhh | my question is: when they say ROM in the specs there, they mean like hard disk? |
| 07:44.27 | kendrick | thx :) |
| 07:44.31 | Hhhhh | non-volatile memory? |
| 07:44.37 | kendrick | ahhh |
| 07:44.44 | kendrick | 16MB ROM is not writable on a daily basis |
| 07:44.51 | Hhhhh | I assume RAM would be lost when you turn it off but ROM stays? |
| 07:44.56 | Hhhhh | oh |
| 07:44.57 | kendrick | exactly |
| 07:45.08 | kendrick | i guess i never cared much about the ROM specs :) |
| 07:45.18 | kendrick | so yeah... 32MB on the 5000D, which I had first... it was _tight_, but worked |
| 07:45.20 | Hhhhh | how do I do it to have other apps and files I would like to keep in it? |
| 07:45.33 | kendrick | there was a version that gave you 24MB of RAM for running apps, leaving 8MB for files |
| 07:45.38 | kendrick | but i think by default it was 50/50 |
| 07:45.53 | kendrick | Hhhhh: i think you'd need to make your own ROM and flash it :) |
| 07:45.54 | Hhhhh | how do you store your own files then? |
| 07:46.12 | kendrick | in the other part of the RAM, on those models |
| 07:46.14 | Hhhhh | like, if I wanted to keep a couple of MP#s in there |
| 07:46.25 | Hhhhh | oh, so some of the RAM is volatile and some isn't? |
| 07:46.40 | kendrick | well, the zaurus never turns fully off |
| 07:46.43 | kendrick | unless the batter drains |
| 07:46.48 | Hhhhh | oh |
| 07:46.59 | kendrick | and if it does, there's a mini battery inside that will keep RAM alive for an additional 24hrs (but you obviously cannot turn the Z back on) |
| 07:47.23 | kendrick | (RAM == your files :) ) |
| 07:47.31 | kendrick | of course, CF card and SD card are quite useful,t oo |
| 07:47.37 | kendrick | i keep MP3s and photos on CF card |
| 07:47.47 | kendrick | i install apps (though some don't work if you try this) on SD card |
| 07:47.50 | Hhhhh | what's the diff between CF and SD? |
| 07:47.58 | kendrick | SD is a different form factor... |
| 07:48.04 | Hhhhh | oh, gotcha |
| 07:48.10 | kendrick | the CF on the Zaurus also allows other devices... modem, ethernet, wireless, camera.. |
| 07:48.42 | Hhhhh | so, for example, if I get a 5500, I could get a Wireless adapter in CF and a SD memory card? |
| 07:48.47 | kendrick | since i only have the one CF slot (i believe some Z's had two?), i can either do CF flash disk, _or_ ethernet, but not both |
| 07:48.57 | Hhhhh | oh |
| 07:48.58 | kendrick | Hhhhh: yes, that'd be a good combo :) |
| 07:49.06 | Hhhhh | so the 5500 has only CF> |
| 07:49.07 | Hhhhh | ? |
| 07:49.10 | Hhhhh | not SD? |
| 07:49.13 | kendrick | no, the 5500 has CF _and_ SD |
| 07:49.25 | kendrick | but what i'm saying is, if i want to use wireless, i suddenly can ONLY have SD for disk space |
| 07:49.27 | Hhhhh | why did you say you only had one CF slot? |
| 07:49.34 | kendrick | cuz it only has one CF slot ;) |
| 07:49.45 | Hhhhh | oh, gotcha, you have CF flash disk |
| 07:49.49 | kendrick | so if i have a 4GB CF HDD of MP3s, i can't stream them wirelessly ;) |
| 07:50.07 | kendrick | since if i want wireless, i can't have the CF disk in |
| 07:50.16 | kendrick | there are some Zs which include built-in wireless, of course |
| 07:50.23 | kendrick | in which case, hey, now you're an MP3 streaming server ;) |
| 07:50.23 | Hhhhh | wow, so RAM does't matter that much if you have an extra flash? |
| 07:50.29 | kendrick | pretty much |
| 07:50.38 | kendrick | though, like i said, some apps are fussy about where they get installed |
| 07:50.40 | Hhhhh | nice |
| 07:50.45 | Hhhhh | I see |
| 07:50.51 | kendrick | some _only_ work when installed in RAM, and not when installed on CF or SD |
| 07:50.58 | Hhhhh | ok |
| 07:51.00 | kendrick | and, of course, if you install apps on CF, you can't use them when you take out the CF card :) |
| 07:51.13 | kendrick | i _never_ take out my SD card, since i have no reason to, so it's a perfect place to install extra apps |
| 07:51.18 | Hhhhh | I was thinking, maybe I can put apps in RAM, and my files in SD, and have wireless CF |
| 07:51.39 | kendrick | Hhhhh: that'd work, too... but you'll will that 32MB up quick, if you install a lot of apps :) |
| 07:51.48 | kendrick | s/you'll will/you will/ :) |
| 07:52.15 | Hhhhh | are there some ROMS that come with a good PDF reader and some office-like suite? |
| 07:52.51 | kendrick | the Sharp ROM used to come with Hancom Office... dunno about it any more |
| 07:52.52 | Hhhhh | I mainly want a 5500 for 1)reading PDF e-books, 2)taking notes in class, 3)listening to MP3s |
| 07:52.59 | Hhhhh | and internet |
| 07:53.07 | Hhhhh | and maybe tinkering/programming? |
| 07:53.13 | kendrick | you will love it as an MP3 player... it's at least as good as the iPod i just bought for my wife :) |
| 07:53.18 | Hhhhh | nice |
| 07:53.22 | Hhhhh | what about ebooks? |
| 07:53.28 | Hhhhh | that's my main concern |
| 07:53.33 | kendrick | i didn't do much ebooks, but the PDF reader i used was quite nice... good UI |
| 07:53.37 | kendrick | of course, i forget which it was ;) |
| 07:53.39 | Hhhhh | I have lots of ebook and I'd like to read them wherever |
| 07:53.45 | Hhhhh | nice |
| 07:53.57 | kendrick | you've seen www.elsix.org ? |
| 07:54.02 | Hhhhh | is the 5500 too behind the newer models? |
| 07:54.06 | Hhhhh | not yet |
| 07:54.13 | kendrick | Hhhhh: hehe, probably... but it'd be cheap, in comparison :) |
| 07:54.20 | kendrick | i dunno how much Z's go for these days |
| 07:54.27 | Hhhhh | but it would functional enough for what I want |
| 07:54.35 | Hhhhh | how's user community support, software for 5500? |
| 07:54.44 | kendrick | hrm, no idea |
| 07:55.16 | kendrick | i kinda dropped out when (1) sharp dropped the Z in the US, (2) i got a full time job again and (3) the mailing lists Sharp ran disappeared, and they opened web forums... i hate web-based forums :( |
| 07:55.31 | kendrick | but www.zaurususergroup.org seems active, from what i've seen |
| 07:56.06 | Hhhhh | also, is software compatible among all zaurus? |
| 07:56.16 | kendrick | no |
| 07:56.24 | kendrick | some zauruses have larger screens (640x480 or 480x680) |
| 07:56.37 | kendrick | earlier ones had smaller screens (but huge at the time :^) ) (240x320) |
| 07:56.53 | kendrick | also, some apps prefer running under different ROMs than others |
| 07:57.14 | kendrick | in some cases, it's very obvious why... some are not based on the Trolltech Qtopia GUI, but rather straight X-Window or the GTK-based embedded stuff |
| 07:57.25 | kendrick | in others, it's probably more related to some library issues |
| 07:57.48 | kendrick | i think the ELSI site (www.elsix.org) tries to list ROM and device compatibilities for each app |
| 07:58.50 | Hhhhh | nice |
| 07:58.55 | Hhhhh | I was just checking thrm out |
| 07:58.58 | Hhhhh | them* |
| 07:59.35 | kendrick | enjoy :) |
| 07:59.39 | kendrick | i should get to bed soon |
| 07:59.48 | kendrick | welcome to the world of Zauruses. :) feel free to grab some of my games, when you get one: |
| 07:59.52 | Hhhhh | you know much about the C7x0 |
| 07:59.53 | Hhhhh | ? |
| 07:59.54 | kendrick | http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus/ |
| 08:00.00 | Hhhhh | oh, I think I will |
| 08:00.03 | kendrick | not too much, except they're awesome looking :) |
| 08:00.21 | kendrick | if i had bigger pockets... and more money ;) |
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| 09:02.14 | Hhhhh | kendrick, you still there? |
| 09:02.18 | kendrick | kinda :) |
| 09:02.33 | Hhhhh | hey, how;s the battery life on the 5500? |
| 09:04.28 | kendrick | um |
| 09:04.31 | kendrick | depends :) |
| 09:04.42 | Hhhhh | hmm, with ethernet? |
| 09:04.46 | kendrick | .. on backlight... whether i'm using my cheap, battery-hungry wireless |
| 09:04.48 | kendrick | ethernet isn't so bad |
| 09:04.53 | kendrick | wireless drains it, though |
| 09:04.57 | Hhhhh | really? |
| 09:05.02 | Hhhhh | how long does it last? |
| 09:05.03 | kendrick | i eventually looked, and the card i have eats mA, though :) |
| 09:05.11 | kendrick | maybe an hour or two? |
| 09:05.17 | Hhhhh | ack |
| 09:05.23 | kendrick | it's also old, and i leave it charging a long time, so the battery's probably not as good as it used to be |
| 09:05.36 | kendrick | well, get a _decent_ wireless, and you should be good for a lot longer |
| 09:05.43 | kendrick | but, i have no specs... someone might, somewhere :) |
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| 20:37.42 | Hhhhh | hello guys, I have a few questions regarding the SL-5500 |
| 20:38.01 | Hhhhh | are the batteries really as bad as some forums or reviews say? |
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| 20:38.53 | Hhhhh | also, how is the 5500 memory-wise? is it too small? |
| 20:40.05 | [lt]zach | I have a 1 gig sd card in mine but all my apps are on the ram and its fine |
| 20:40.22 | Hhhhh | how are the batteries? |
| 20:40.59 | [lt]zach | it depends |
| 20:41.08 | [lt]zach | are you going to be using wifi? |
| 20:41.18 | [lt]zach | listening to music? ect? |
| 20:41.21 | Hhhhh | I would like to |
| 20:41.28 | Hhhhh | both, wifi and music |
| 20:41.42 | wayne | Hhhhh: yes, the batteries of the 5500 are horrible |
| 20:42.05 | [lt]zach | I get about an hour with wifi and music |
| 20:42.24 | Hhhhh | [lt]zach, with both on at the same time, or one hour with either? |
| 20:42.25 | wayne | i have a 5600, and listening to streaming music over wifi, i can go with close to 3 hours |
| 20:42.27 | [lt]zach | maybe a little more |
| 20:42.41 | [lt]zach | wow |
| 20:42.46 | [lt]zach | maybe I need a new battery |
| 20:42.56 | wayne | the 5600 has DOUBLE the battery capacity of the 5500 |
| 20:43.01 | [lt]zach | ah |
| 20:43.04 | wayne | also, i have a low power wifi card |
| 20:43.22 | [lt]zach | yeah, I have one but its a newer one and there are no drivers |
| 20:43.30 | [lt]zach | so I have to use my linksys |
| 20:44.03 | Hhhhh | really? the 5600's battery last twice as much? I thought they had same battery |
| 20:44.21 | wayne | 1700mAh instead of 800 something |
| 20:44.23 | Hhhhh | http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=General says they're the same battery |
| 20:44.30 | Hhhhh | 950 |
| 20:44.33 | Hhhhh | mA |
| 20:44.59 | [lt]zach | what do you use to stream music? |
| 20:45.51 | wayne | Hhhhh: only the first units, it's 1700mAh on most, including mine |
| 20:46.03 | Hhhhh | oh nice |
| 20:46.05 | wayne | [lt]zach: mplayer |
| 20:46.32 | Hhhhh | wayne, how's the community support for the 5600? I've heard it was better for the 5500 |
| 20:47.04 | wayne | can't really say, but i did fix up my 5600 to what i needed |
| 20:47.17 | wayne | maybe there's less of them |
| 20:48.32 | Hhhhh | pgas, are you there? |
| 20:49.59 | Hhhhh | wayne, which low power wifi card do you have? |
| 20:50.22 | wayne | the Symbol one (LA-4137) |
| 20:50.30 | wayne | actually, it's the OLD symbol one |
| 20:51.20 | Hhhhh | question: are those wifi cards for zaurii only or they work for most other PDAs? |
| 20:53.23 | wayne | most cards will work on most pdas |
| 20:56.39 | Hhhhh | wayne, do you know a lot about other PDAs? |
| 20:57.08 | Hhhhh | I'm just looking for something in the $100-$180 price range (lame, I know, but I won't be able to squeeze more money out of my wife) :/ |
| 20:57.18 | Hhhhh | and I tend to be partial to linux |
| 20:57.45 | Hhhhh | I want mainly something to read PDF ebooks, use wi-fi internet, listen to mp3, etc |
| 20:58.23 | [lt]zach | the zaurus has come down so far in price and its good for all of that |
| 20:58.28 | Hhhhh | is there anything other than a 5x00 that I might find in that price range? |
| 20:58.45 | [lt]zach | I don't know about that |
| 20:58.56 | [lt]zach | I would look on ebay |
| 21:01.05 | wayne | wlel not for zauruses |
| 21:01.15 | wayne | some pocketpc devices like dell axims could do for you maybe |
| 21:03.34 | [lt]zach | I got my 5500 on ebay for about 150 |
| 21:03.51 | wayne | got my 5600 for 200$ but that was last year, prices fell :/ |
| 21:03.59 | [lt]zach | yeah |
| 21:04.02 | wayne | wel the 5600 is also worth more |
| 21:21.09 | Hhhhh | wayne, would you recommend an axim over a zaurus? |
| 21:21.30 | Hhhhh | just your own opinion |
| 21:22.41 | wayne | i love the built in keyboard, i love running linux and hacking my device, i hate pocketpc |
| 21:22.44 | wayne | do your math :) |
| 21:23.38 | Hhhhh | why do you hate pocketpc? |
| 21:24.24 | wayne | 1) programs can't be closed, you have to wait until your ram is full to ahve some closed, or you can try the annoying task manager which closes what it wants |
| 21:24.50 | wayne | 2) the "desktop" and the "start menu" are an unintuitive mess, i found myself searching for stuff too often (when it was obvious) |
| 21:25.18 | wayne | 3) I don't like installing software on my desktop so that IT can install software on the PDA. with zaurus you can download your apps FROM the Z and install them right there |
| 21:25.49 | Hhhhh | what do you mean download from the Z? |
| 21:25.54 | Hhhhh | from the zaurus back to your desktop? |
| 21:26.20 | wayne | from the internet |
| 21:26.24 | wayne | through wifi or whatever |
| 21:26.28 | Hhhhh | oh |
| 21:26.32 | Hhhhh | why do you call it the Z? |
| 21:26.33 | wayne | or you copy the software file on your next sync |
| 21:26.36 | wayne | like Palm OS does |
| 21:26.46 | wayne | Z is short for zaurus, simply :) |
| 21:26.53 | Hhhhh | oh, gotcha |
| 21:27.20 | Hhhhh | what do you mean by not being able to close your programs in a PocketPC? I haven't used one |
| 21:27.43 | wayne | if you click the close icon of a program, it doesn't close and release memory. It hides. |
| 21:27.56 | Hhhhh | argh |
| 21:28.00 | Hhhhh | what about Palm? |
| 21:28.04 | wayne | it's like all you have is a minimize button |
| 21:28.08 | Hhhhh | have you tried Palm? |
| 21:28.20 | wayne | yes i've had a few palm devices (one palm and one sony) and love it very much |
| 21:28.25 | wayne | the os is awesome |
| 21:28.36 | wayne | you can have a 33mhz 1998 device outperform today's standards |
| 21:28.48 | wayne | but it's not multitask, which makes it unusable for internet |
| 21:29.03 | Hhhhh | oh |
| 21:29.10 | wayne | the newer ones are nice through, but expensive |
| 21:29.21 | wayne | through = though |
| 21:29.49 | Hhhhh | I was thinking of this one: http://www.palm.com/us/products/handhelds/z22/specs.epl but it might be too basic |
| 21:30.01 | wayne | the new palm TX is very nice |
| 21:30.14 | Hhhhh | or maybe this one: http://www.palm.com/us/products/handhelds/tungsten-e2/specs.epl but the rest escape my budget |
| 21:30.21 | wayne | i'd stay away of the Z lines |
| 21:30.40 | Hhhhh | what about the E2? |
| 21:30.43 | wayne | that one is bluetooth, what you probably want it wifi |
| 21:30.45 | wayne | try the TX |
| 21:30.50 | wayne | anyway, i gotta run |
| 21:30.51 | wayne | later ! |
| 21:30.55 | Hhhhh | thx man |
| 21:31.49 | wayne | if you like tinkering with your stuff, Z are great |
| 21:31.53 | wayne | if you DON'T, avoid it. |
| 21:32.53 | Hhhhh | you mean Zaurus, or Palm Z? |
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