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| 05:32.38 | shik45 | whats the best zaurus distro |
| 05:32.47 | shik45 | and can it be a usb host |
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| 06:02.54 | bam_ | anything new on the horizon? |
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| 06:19.26 | ljp | yup |
| 06:19.45 | ljp | cool new stuff on the horizon |
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| 06:27.40 | bam_ | riggggth |
| 06:27.47 | bam_ | ht |
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| 06:29.32 | Homoe | how are you gentlemen |
| 06:29.55 | Homoe | pardon the nick |
| 06:30.12 | kendrick | sleepy |
| 06:30.28 | Homoe | me2 |
| 06:30.42 | Homoe | just got back from school |
| 06:30.45 | Homoe | yuck |
| 06:36.36 | ljp | I amserious |
| 06:36.46 | ljp | kickass kewl things.. |
| 06:37.51 | bam_ | you, you, homo |
| 06:37.55 | bam_ | :) |
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| 07:51.26 | licksjp | Homoe, helllllllllllllllllooooooooooooo |
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| 17:00.15 | Homoe | heh |
| 17:27.24 | licksjp | Homoe, hello |
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| 17:38.29 | ryoohki | ehlo ehlo |
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| 17:41.51 | ryoohki | anyone know if the ipod microdrive will work in a zaurus? what exactly is the difference? is it crippled in some way? not a real ide drive? |
| 17:41.57 | tpdd | anyone here using sylpheed on xqt? |
| 17:58.58 | ryoohki | tpdd, i'm not - it's very quiet in here |
| 17:59.11 | ryoohki | tpdd, it's like noone is around |
| 18:01.22 | raduga | mailx is my choice of mail client :/ |
| 18:01.43 | raduga | that, and pine for dealing with attachments |
| 18:01.56 | raduga | i cannot comprehend gui mailers |
| 18:03.58 | raduga | though, I admit, using a non-free mailer like pine may be morally reprehensible |
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| 18:06.45 | ryoohki | raduga, use mutt - everybody else does |
| 18:10.00 | raduga | this is terrible: |
| 18:10.02 | raduga | http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=13817&hed=AMD+Launches+Cheap+PC+in+U.S.§or=Industries&subsector=Computing |
| 18:10.26 | raduga | a $300 mini-desktop PC from AMD :/ |
| 18:10.30 | raduga | running WinCE |
| 18:10.53 | ryoohki | where are the fonts to fix this: http://www.bargainpda.com/assets/sharp/zaurus/nohelp.jpg |
| 18:11.01 | pgas | hi raduga |
| 18:11.05 | raduga | hi pgas |
| 18:11.37 | pgas | this pc it was for poor country at the beginning |
| 18:11.41 | raduga | ryoohki: the text will probably be in Japanese, even with the correct fonts |
| 18:12.22 | raduga | pgas: even so, running wince on it cripples the machine so much more than it would have been otherwise |
| 18:13.18 | raduga | pgas: cripples, and locks you in to software written only by the vendor. It seems very unlikely that it will run ARM bins |
| 18:13.31 | raduga | and there is... precious little wince software available for anything but ARM |
| 18:14.09 | pgas | and you can absolutely do nothing with it, you cannot even install linux or anything, there was a guy with one and he could not even exchange the disk with the original software on it... |
| 18:14.15 | raduga | pgas: from the specs described, I wonder if you even *can* load/run any outside apps on this. |
| 18:15.06 | raduga | pgas: I hear "industry leaders" say that the PC is dead, and the future will all be network appliances |
| 18:15.14 | raduga | pgas: that future worries me |
| 18:16.33 | raduga | appliances/xbox/ "entertainment centers/etc |
| 18:18.08 | pgas | some will have linux inside so it is not all bad ;) |
| 18:19.45 | ryoohki | raduga, i know |
| 18:20.10 | raduga | pgas,ryoohki: if you have children, teach them to code. |
| 18:20.20 | raduga | ryooohki,pgas: then, teach them to fight! |
| 18:20.23 | ryoohki | raduga, let them cripple it, intel will sell a xscale pc for the third world running linuc |
| 18:20.26 | ryoohki | raduga, let them cripple it, intel will sell a xscale pc for the third world running linux |
| 18:21.23 | raduga | the advantage to that is not "linux is better" for nebulous reasons, but that linux supports third-parties building and creating new applications to a far greater extent |
| 18:21.54 | ryoohki | here is a link off the page you, raduga, cited http://redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=13784&hed=MIT%e2%80%99s+%24100+PC+for+Poor+Kids |
| 18:22.06 | raduga | yes, there's a reason that even "third world" people need to be able to run software...different from what's bundled. |
| 18:22.34 | raduga | in countries where the government is not necessarily very nice to the people, for example |
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| 18:23.20 | ryoohki | they should take an off-the-shelf pc and make tons of them - like the zaurus or the nokia 9500 series phone |
| 18:23.31 | ryoohki | they would make cheap laptops |
| 18:23.37 | raduga | 95% of people in those places will be running the bundled apps (just like 95% of people in western industrial nations) |
| 18:24.13 | raduga | some of the other 5% may be running tunneling software that allows them to do things that people in "western" countries take for granted :/ |
| 18:24.53 | ryoohki | it's a struggle for newsbies to learn the office suite software and pima apps, forget bash or perl or python or ruby or java or c# |
| 18:25.07 | raduga | ryoohki: i like the MIT project. I like it a great deal; even if it weren't running linux. |
| 18:25.18 | raduga | ryoohki: a PC that can run without *any* external power source? |
| 18:25.48 | raduga | dual display for sunlight/dim light conditions? |
| 18:26.37 | raduga | ryoohki: if they can make them sufficiently rugged, and sufficiently cheaply, I think we may have a winner. |
| 18:26.39 | ryoohki | also, most kids will just want to do homework( calc, word, spreadsheet, chat, and webbrowse) they won't be kernel debugging - only the star trek club types will go on to that |
| 18:26.54 | gregarican | anyone here up for a Qt/Embedded question? |
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| 18:27.33 | raduga | ryoohki: there's a big difference between a PC targeted at general population (i.e. the AMD minis) and one targeted at students. |
| 18:27.43 | Tomoe | how are you gentlemen |
| 18:27.47 | ryoohki | biggest problem - how will they power them? how will they upgrade to new hardware - remember schools have crappy cast off hardware and even then they need to wring the most from 'em |
| 18:27.56 | Tomoe | hm |
| 18:28.17 | ryoohki | raduga, you need a cheap screen and it must be portable and it must be easy to power |
| 18:28.21 | Tomoe | so far ziciz is the most decent irc client for z that i was able tofind |
| 18:28.31 | Tomoe | any other recommendations? |
| 18:28.40 | ryoohki | is ziciz colorful? |
| 18:29.01 | Tomoe | colorful as in? |
| 18:29.14 | Tomoe | nicknames are in green |
| 18:29.25 | Tomoe | the rest is pretty much bw |
| 18:30.33 | Tomoe | cool |
| 18:30.49 | Tomoe | it has a button to hide/unhide nicklist |
| 18:33.15 | Tomoe | wtf |
| 18:33.25 | ryoohki | colorful like your nick is red so it jumps out at you |
| 18:33.30 | ryoohki | wtf? |
| 18:33.34 | Tomoe | ok |
| 18:33.54 | Tomoe | nobody typed anything for some time so i was wtf |
| 18:33.58 | ryoohki | anyone know if the 6gb ipod microdrive works in the zaurus? |
| 18:34.04 | Tomoe | nick is not red |
| 18:34.05 | ryoohki | Tomoe, oh |
| 18:34.22 | ryoohki | Tomoe, can that be fixed via a config file? |
| 18:34.38 | Tomoe | dunno lol |
| 18:34.42 | Tomoe | ive on |
| 18:35.01 | Tomoe | *only istalled it just now |
| 18:35.17 | pgas | ryoohki: It won t work, most probably |
| 18:35.24 | Tomoe | k checking zic too |
| 18:35.51 | Tomoe | yeah i guess they dont have cf emu rite? |
| 18:47.02 | ryoohki | cf emu? |
| 18:47.13 | ryoohki | the apple 6gb microdrive? |
| 18:47.36 | pgas | the microdrive |
| 18:49.10 | Tomoe | if im not wrong the z only supports cf flash? |
| 18:49.28 | Tomoe | and usually cf hds emulate flash memory? |
| 18:50.09 | ryoohki | really? |
| 18:50.26 | ryoohki | cf is a ide interface - only scaled down |
| 18:51.06 | Tomoe | *shrug* |
| 18:51.14 | ryoohki | i know the 6gb appple ipod microdrive won't work with some cameras |
| 18:51.42 | Tomoe | i remember that something like that was mentioned when the same question arose on oesf.org forums |
| 18:51.47 | Tomoe | checkc there |
| 18:51.48 | ryoohki | i heard some cf flash cards on implement a sub set of ide |
| 18:52.02 | pgas | ryoohki: they tend to modify the drives in the mp3 players do that they can't be used elswhere |
| 18:52.11 | ryoohki | so some falsh cards can't be used to boot single-board computers |
| 18:52.47 | pgas | from what I've read the muvo was an exception |
| 18:53.00 | ryoohki | so some hd aspects aren't implemented but i would think not the other way around |
| 19:14.10 | Tomoe | ok |
| 19:14.17 | Tomoe | =) |
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| 19:32.17 | licksjp | Tomoe, helllllllllllllooooooooooooooo |
| 19:33.03 | Tomoe | lol hy liks |
| 19:33.12 | Tomoe | im ircing on my zaurus |
| 19:38.11 | licksjp | Tomoe, r u connecting to ur Zaurus in IRC? |
| 19:48.01 | ljp | wow. yer l33t |
| 19:48.49 | tpdd | So can you guys suggest a good email client for the zaurus? |
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| 21:03.42 | *** topic/#zaurus is Zaurus Discussion - http://www.zaurus.com/ - http://myzaurus.com/ | OpenZaurus help in #openzaurus (george-) || /msg ibot orkut - then join the orkut zaurus group |
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| 21:28.45 | ljp | if you use the qtopia 2.1 roms, theres qtmail |
| 21:30.47 | tpdd | what about on the stock sharp roms? |
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| 21:56.47 | George | LJP! |
| 22:31.51 | ljp | can use thaty also |
| 22:31.57 | ljp | hey George.. |
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| 23:20.10 | *** topic/#zaurus is Zaurus Discussion - http://www.zaurus.com/ - http://myzaurus.com/ | OpenZaurus help in #openzaurus (george-) || /msg ibot orkut - then join the orkut zaurus group |
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| 23:51.47 | benplaut | eeeeeekkkkk!!!! |
| 23:51.52 | benplaut | my Z won't turn on!! |
