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| 07:49.57 | licksjp | ^^\2[[s |
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| 12:37.53 | SubNuke | can someone point me toward documentation/help/tutorial that might help me establish communications between fc4 desktop and sharp sl-c1000 via usb port? |
| 12:40.49 | rmrfchik | look at oesf.org |
| 12:41.03 | rmrfchik | i see a faq |
| 12:41.25 | wayne | ahha man |
| 12:41.41 | wayne | initially, i read rmrfchik's nickname as "rtfm chick" which would have been hilarious given the context of the question |
| 12:41.54 | rmrfchik | =) |
| 12:42.09 | rmrfchik | rm -rf chik |
| 12:42.47 | wayne | ooh :) |
| 12:42.56 | wayne | rmrfslash :) |
| 12:46.41 | rmrfchik | suicide |
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| 12:51.41 | Tomoe | lol hy |
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| 12:55.34 | SubNuke | rmrfchik: are you referring to the Qtopia desktop references? |
| 13:06.18 | licksjp | Tomoe, Helllllllllllooooooooooo |
| 13:06.30 | Tomoe | HY |
| 13:20.23 | rmrfchik | SubNuke: http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Generic_%28USB%29 |
| 13:20.31 | rmrfchik | http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Red_Hat_%28USB%29 |
| 13:20.59 | Tomoe | argh |
| 13:21.15 | Tomoe | when's the cacko 1.23 for c1k/c3k1 gonna be out? |
| 13:21.19 | Tomoe | =( |
| 13:21.39 | SubNuke | rmrfchik: yeah, I've read that. thanks! :) |
| 13:22.35 | SubNuke | s/that/those |
| 13:44.08 | rmrfchik | do someone use pdaxrom? |
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| 15:02.49 | Sess | anyone used any of the SNES emu's in OZ? |
| 15:21.43 | xfxf | heh, i'd like to find a snes emulator that wasn't buggy under any rom on the Z |
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| 15:42.49 | Sess | xfxf: gotta say that zsnes9x runs full speed on my spitz |
| 15:42.56 | Sess | I just can't save games |
| 15:43.04 | Sess | well I save tehm, they just aren't there after I exit the emulator |
| 15:43.06 | Sess | :( |
| 15:43.20 | Sess | well, Im gonna flash GPE onto my c3000 now |
| 15:43.57 | xfxf | spitz? |
| 15:44.15 | xfxf | and nod, some work ok, but they all seem to have bugs some way or the other |
| 16:04.43 | Sess | yea, xfxf, this is true, I think its just because each project is only now becoming mature |
| 16:05.01 | Sess | and sharps original rom was built to be a stable PDA platform, not a palmtop |
| 16:05.11 | xfxf | oh, i can understand why |
| 16:05.17 | xfxf | i mean, getting this sort of thing working is a lot of work |
| 16:05.36 | xfxf | i'm just on the verge of sticking my Z on ebay; i haven't used it at all for the last 6 months, and never used it at all, really |
| 16:05.55 | xfxf | as much as i hate to admit it, and as much of a linux head i am, i'm tempted to get a windows pda :( |
| 16:06.10 | xfxf | things are just too buggy/slow/unstable |
| 16:06.20 | xfxf | i wish it wasn't the case; i'm hoping i'm doing something severely wrong |
| 16:06.28 | xfxf | i love the Z itself, just, the software seems to lack |
| 16:06.44 | zuery | xfxf: what software are u talking about? |
| 16:06.49 | xfxf | any software, really |
| 16:06.55 | xfxf | i'm yet to find a rom i'm happy with, with the applications i want to use |
| 16:07.02 | zuery | xfxf: Z can run almost any linux apps... |
| 16:07.41 | xfxf | original plan for my pda was to use it as my pda (and decent syncing back to linux/OS X), a bit of emulation gaming (snes, gba, scummvm), etc |
| 16:07.43 | zuery | xfxf: windows pda sux... reboot... reboot .. reboot |
| 16:07.47 | xfxf | i realise in theory it can, yes |
| 16:07.53 | xfxf | but, i'm finding so many things are buggy |
| 16:08.19 | xfxf | and i've tried all sorts.. cacko, pdaxrom (inc. various rc's), sharp rom with third party additions, even oz |
| 16:08.29 | xfxf | i sometimes find one rom that does one thing well, but not all |
| 16:08.44 | xfxf | and, finding packages is a headache |
| 16:08.56 | xfxf | the official feeds for roms seem to usually only have basic things in them |
| 16:09.01 | xfxf | and it's hard to locate packages that do work |
| 16:09.22 | zuery | xfxf: if you want a gaming platform... u can get PSP or Zodiac2 or Nintendo DS or GP32 |
| 16:09.30 | xfxf | not just gaming, though |
| 16:09.33 | xfxf | a pda too, of course |
| 16:09.38 | xfxf | and, the keyboard for things like ssh, web browsing |
| 16:09.38 | zuery | xfxf: compile yourself... |
| 16:09.49 | xfxf | i've tried, it's usually library hell |
| 16:10.13 | zuery | xfxf: and i'm 100% sure that the program i'm running don't have backdoor... |
| 16:10.15 | xfxf | unless, of course, i really am doing something wrong |
| 16:10.22 | xfxf | are you? |
| 16:10.31 | xfxf | i mean, most the packages you run will be from precompiled binary packages |
| 16:10.43 | xfxf | with usually specific ports for the Z, and the sourcecode not available |
| 16:10.51 | xfxf | even though it might be GPL licensed; i'm talking more availability |
| 16:11.07 | xfxf | i've tried getting source packages before for various things and have had no luck |
| 16:11.09 | zuery | xfxf: i never encounter that problem... u must have missing some procedure... |
| 16:11.12 | xfxf | i can't recall what for exactly, though |
| 16:11.44 | xfxf | ok, what rom / apps do you use? |
| 16:12.02 | zuery | try pdaxrom... OZ is also ok... |
| 16:12.08 | xfxf | and, where do you get your apps from? the offical feed for that rom, or elsewhere (and how does one dertermine what packages will work on what rom, apart from trial and error?) |
| 16:12.20 | xfxf | yeah, i've got pdaxrom rc11 on my z now |
| 16:12.21 | zuery | pdaxrom.. can learn better in crosscompiling.. stuff... |
| 16:12.30 | xfxf | what snes emulator should i use? |
| 16:12.35 | xfxf | i can't see snes9x at all, for example |
| 16:12.48 | xfxf | is the crosscompiling enviroment decent for pdaxrom? |
| 16:13.02 | xfxf | i'm sure i've tried before, and it worked, but it did require a fair bit of mucking around to get stuff to compile |
| 16:13.18 | zuery | snes9x ... yes... SDL is still slow... unless its using bvdd... but yet to be ported.. to OZ and pdaxrom.. |
| 16:13.21 | xfxf | to be honest, i'd like to see a standardised base agreed on |
| 16:13.30 | xfxf | it seems the package development cycle is too rapid, the roms keep changing, older packages don't work |
| 16:13.37 | zuery | sahz is working on it... |
| 16:13.40 | xfxf | right. yeah, see what i mean? |
| 16:13.51 | xfxf | don't get me wrong; i'm a FOSS developer myself, i understand completely the work and time this takes |
| 16:13.59 | xfxf | just, id unno, i can't seem to find a solution on the Z i'm happy with |
| 16:14.06 | xfxf | things only 'sort of' work |
| 16:14.51 | xfxf | when you say pdaxrom, you running stable or an rc (which one)? |
| 16:15.06 | xfxf | stable seems far slower, but i assume that's because of no soft-float stuff, and older libraries/apps/etc |
| 16:15.09 | zuery | xfxf: rc11 |
| 16:15.36 | zuery | xfxf: ya... without soft-float .. apps is very very slow... |
| 16:16.19 | zuery | iwmmxt optimize is the next step.. for newer Z.. |
| 16:17.01 | xfxf | cool |
| 16:17.09 | xfxf | i might sell mine and get a newer Z in the future, maybe |
| 16:17.16 | zuery | by the time CXk Z get 2.6 ... i hope sharp produce one Z that got 128Mb and a 2700g 3d accelerator.. |
| 16:17.20 | xfxf | i look forward to when things are running well, certainly |
| 16:17.26 | xfxf | yeah, that'd be nice |
| 16:17.54 | zuery | ask OZ dev people... they run 2.6 test version in CXk... |
| 16:18.57 | zuery | iwmmxt optimize apps... runs 20%-30% better than xscale optimize... |
| 16:20.16 | zuery | and when fuel cell and PXA .. tiger comes... we are going to throw the laptop away... :) |
| 16:21.01 | DeathWo1f | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.17 | DeathWo1f | cant even play 640x480 video without getting framedrops:/ display eats up too much cpu |
| 16:21.24 | xfxf | well, given bigger internal storage, it'd be nice to have a full blown non-embedded distro running on the Z |
| 16:21.56 | xfxf | well, sort of non-embedded |
| 16:22.03 | xfxf | you'd still have to optimise the wm, etc, for pda usage |
| 16:22.24 | xfxf | pdaxrom style approaches do work surprisingly well, though, which is kind of a hybrid pda/pc |
| 16:22.27 | zuery | DeathWo1f: bvdd and iwmmxt or ATI W100 can solve this framedrops problem... |
| 16:24.37 | zuery | xfxf: maybe we should show the windoze Mobi user... full flown KDE 4... and openoffice 2.. then they will impress.. |
| 16:25.17 | xfxf | heh :) |
| 16:25.51 | zuery | xfxf: pdaxrom... looks like brute force hacking ... OE system is a more nicer way to hack i guess... |
| 16:26.46 | zuery | pdaxrom and cacho have very similar development environment... if u download the sdk before.. |
| 16:28.54 | Sess | pdaXrom and cacko are however nothing alike |
| 16:29.18 | zuery | just like opie and gpe... |
| 16:29.26 | Sess | and Ithink every rom can use the onboard Gcc packages |
| 16:29.46 | zuery | sess: yup... you're right... |
| 16:29.58 | Sess | have you tried Xqt inside of cacko/opie? |
| 16:30.23 | Sess | terribly slow, but it gives pseudo pdaXrom app support if you have installed the other appropriate shared libraries |
| 16:30.37 | zuery | sess: nop... but i think.. i don't like it |
| 16:30.46 | Sess | :) |
| 16:31.06 | zuery | X server already need at least 5Mb to run... |
| 16:31.19 | zuery | some more u run it on top of QT... |
| 16:31.26 | zuery | whats the point... |
| 16:31.54 | zuery | choose either QT or GTK ... |
| 16:32.26 | Sess | Im sure there are times when it could be useful |
| 16:32.38 | Sess | I just installed gpe on my spitz |
| 16:32.49 | Sess | Im a true X man :) |
| 16:32.54 | zuery | but i do compile QT stuff to work in pdaxrom... |
| 16:33.10 | zuery | ya... X got lots of apps :) |
| 16:33.37 | Sess | I was wondering if dynamically linked qtopia qt apps can run in pdaXrom or GPE with a regular X Qt shared library |
| 16:33.43 | Sess | if all the otehr dependancies are met |
| 16:33.58 | Sess | unless building the app in qtopia requires other special qtopia libraries |
| 16:34.17 | zuery | i think should be able... |
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| 16:35.41 | zuery | i'm still figuring out how to compile QTE apps... it needs some extra libraries not included in standard pdaxrom.. |
| 16:36.02 | zuery | but QT apps.. compile n run just fine.. in pdaxrom.. |
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| 16:37.28 | zuery | sess: if you are refering to apps that use sharp qtopia library ... i think tough luck... ask sharp to release source codes.. |
| 16:38.36 | zuery | QPE not QTE ... sorry... |
| 17:05.09 | Sess | lol, not particularly sharps apps, but there are an assload of qt apps |
| 17:05.28 | Sess | it would be nice if you could run them even when using GPE |
| 17:05.37 | Sess | which by the way I just got working on the spitz. |
| 17:05.40 | Sess | perfectly |
| 17:05.41 | Sess | thanks to noodles |
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| 22:48.22 | mhz | hi, there |
| 22:48.39 | mhz | how do I get the /dev/root be bigger than 1360 kb available after just flashing the rom?? |
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| 23:44.23 | euphem | how do i save changes and quit vi ? |
| 23:45.29 | euphem | i don't seem to have an escape key |
| 23:45.59 | euphem | anyone? |