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05:49.49subdueFor one day only, you can get an ad-free version of Opera. Simply e-mail registerme@opera.com to obtain a registration code. This offer is valid from 12 a.m. Tuesday, August 30 to 12 a.m. Wednesday, August 31 2005 (PDT).
05:58.07wallabeemmh
05:59.45benplauti'll do it...
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06:04.25benplautsubdue: what's the source of that?
06:11.05subduego to download.com, choose opera, 8.02
06:12.19subdueit's opera's 10th anniversary
06:12.48benplautahh
06:12.54subdueso in about an 48 minutes you can send the email
06:14.02benplautahh
06:14.14benplautgot to remember to do that
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07:36.04subdueit's time
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08:23.32Tomoehow are you gentlemen
08:25.28licksjp|"-;)tira
08:25.36licksjpTomoe, Hello
08:25.41Tomoehy licksjp
08:25.45Tomoeyour op skillz suck
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08:39.08wallabeehello tomoe
08:39.14Tomoehy wallabee
08:39.16Tomoe=)
08:39.37Tomoehave you seen how licksjp fucked up the jp channel? =)))
08:40.24wallabeemmh, what was the name already ?
08:40.36Tomoe#zaurus-jp
08:41.36wallabeebtw
08:41.46licksjpTomoe ,I want to make putting on the chanServ in #zaurus-jp
08:41.47wallabeemy apologies you were right the other day
08:42.02Tomoeright about what?
08:42.12wallabeehttp://wallabee2.free.fr/pics/?album=zaurus&img=DSC05990 <- the koujien which comes with the C3000 and C3100 indeed shows kanji stroke orders
08:42.33wallabeeand is thus very different than mine
08:42.58Tomoeyeah
08:43.05TomoeI only didn't know if they were animated
08:43.32Piranha-we
08:45.19Tomoewallabee, and what do you think of it?
08:45.39wallabeethis definitely rocks
08:46.04Tomoehehe
08:46.04Tomoe=)
08:48.16wallabeeI'd like to why this edition contains stroke orders
08:50.07Tomoe?
08:50.43subdueare all arare baked?
08:50.49subdueI used to think it was deep fried
08:51.24Tomoewallabee, you'd like to <know> why?
08:51.48Tomoeno idea subdue
08:51.50wallabeeer... right I'd like to <know> why
08:52.14Tomoeabout the only contact I have with japanese cuisine is rice and soy sauce
08:52.22Tomoeand tofu too since it's much cheaper than milk cream heh
08:52.31wallabeearare ?
08:52.32Tomoerice as in cooked rice
08:52.52Tomoewallabee, I think those are rice crackers or something like that
08:52.54subduemochi crunch
08:52.56Tomoesubdue, ?
08:53.02Tomoehm
08:53.12Tomoewallabee, well these are like 'multimedia edition'
08:53.15subduethey take old pieces of mochi, baked em, and dip them in soy sauce
08:53.31Tomoeah
08:54.42Tomoeshit I have a shitload of homework and only a day and half to finish it before the school starts lol
08:58.53wallabeetomoe: well, it appears there are lot of different editions of the electronic koujien 5th -> http://hiki.cre.jp/dict/?Koujien
08:59.13Tomoeyeah
09:00.05wallabeehttp://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005OFJD/trpgnet0e-22/ref%3Dnosim/250-2550188-9773849 <- this one is said to have "multimedia content" as well, so maybe it contains the stroke orders just like the one from the C3000
09:00.57wallabee7,000Y is not a bad price, but I'd like to get sure first
09:01.51TomoeI think we ought to try to get this to work in near future
09:01.58Tomoeit's better than spending 7000 yen =P
09:02.25wallabeeyes, but even it would be zaurus-only
09:02.32wallabeeeven if it worked
09:03.03Tomoecouldn't you compile zten on other unixoid platforms?
09:03.05Tomoehm
09:03.10TomoeI don't think so lol
09:04.52wallabeeanyway, good luck for late work ^o^
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09:24.49Tomoewallabee, there are other programs with stroke order for pc platform
09:24.53Tomoeeven web apps
09:25.10Tomoeso I'm interested in this purely for the zaurus
09:27.56subduekanji nirvana?
09:30.10wallabeetomoe: I'm interested in the fact the Koujien may stand as a more serious reference than most other random programs
09:30.45Tomoe*shrug*
09:30.46Tomoe=)
09:33.11wallabeewell, no offense to the other programs though
09:33.31wallabeeI found taka.sf.net and it's integration to PADict (for PalmOS) very interesting
09:34.27Tomoeyeah that's one of them
09:36.40wallabeesubdue: I've just checked, but kanjinirvana doesn't seem to include drawing stroke orders
09:36.56Tomoelol it does include checking those but not showing them
09:36.56Tomoe=P
09:48.16subduehrm. that's strange. thought it did
09:48.25subdueoh well
09:48.35Tomoeok by off2eat and clean the room
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10:22.48licksjp|"-;)tira
10:23.00licksjpGeorge, Hello
10:24.30Georgehey
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13:10.31TomoeHow are you gentlemen
13:10.34Tomoelicksjp, you here?
13:12.49licksjpya
13:14.56Tomoelicksjp, are you into wifi?
13:15.51licksjpwhat is wifi?
13:16.06licksjpIs it wiki?
13:18.34Tomoewireless
13:19.17licksjpTomoe, Nop,I don't use wireless LAN
13:20.51Tomoetoo bad
13:20.51Tomoe=)
13:21.19licksjpare u trying to get wireless LAN?
13:21.55Tomoeno, I want to hack my router so I have more power
13:22.01Tomoeand bigger range
13:24.28Tomoelicksjp, can you check something for me
13:24.32Tomoehttp://www.kccs.co.jp/cgi-bin/Map1_txt.cgi?Mprf=13
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13:25.59licksjpTomoe, What should I see?
13:26.29Tomoewhat does pink area mean?
13:26.32Tomoe2005$BG/(B6$B7nKv8=:_MxMQ2DG=$J%(%j%"(B
13:28.25licksjpI don't know who u r living area
13:29.33TomoeI'm near tachikawa
13:29.37Tomoemy area is in pink
13:29.47Tomoe<Tomoe> 2005$BG/(B6$B7nKv8=:_MxMQ2DG=$J%(%j%"(B
13:29.50Tomoewhat does this mean?
13:30.27licksjp2005.June available area
13:31.30Tomoeok
13:31.33Tomoethanks =)
13:32.15licksjpTomoe,  btw,u r rich?
13:32.22Tomoeno, why?
13:32.55licksjpu came Japan and live in Tokyo,alone
13:33.10Tomoe=)
13:33.22licksjpand u don't have job
13:35.52Tomoeyes
13:39.12licksjpTomoe,Have u got scholership student?
13:39.29Tomoeyes
13:41.17licksjpbtw Tomoe Which is right get-got-got or get-got-gotten?
13:42.17Tomoeget-got-got
13:42.41licksjpoh,Thank you!
13:57.39DeathWo1fi wish i had a scholarship/money to stay in tokyo^^
13:58.15DeathWo1fi could stay at my uncle's in kawasaki or far away at my aunt's in oizumi though i guess:)
14:27.46licksjpDeathWo1f, Did u used to live in Japan?
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15:44.30DeathWo1flicksjp, i live 1/2 of my life in japan, although in many bits
15:44.42DeathWo1fthat's the result of being a hanbun
15:46.30Tomoelol $B%O!<%U(B
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15:54.15Tomoe=P
16:02.11licksjpDeathWo1f, half
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16:04.36licksjpTomoe, r u debian now?
16:05.48Tomoeno
16:06.39licksjpTomoe,  Gaits OS?
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16:07.20wallabeewhat's that ?
16:07.33licksjpIt is Windows
16:08.53licksjpwallabee, Gaits OS is windows ,Debian is Linux
16:09.04wallabeewho calls windows "Gaits OS" ?
16:09.10wallabeeoh...
16:09.14wallabee"Gates OS" ?
16:09.37licksjpBill Gaits's OS
16:10.01wallabeeI see... ^ ^
16:10.21Tomoewallabee, you still haven't got used to japglish right
16:10.22Tomoe=)
16:11.44licksjpTomoe, What japaglish?
16:11.46wallabeeyeah, you made me remember how helpless I was the first time someone asked me whether I was "haafu"
16:12.01licksjpIs it "$BOB@=1Q8l(B"?
16:12.56Tomoelicksjp, that and more =)
16:13.09Tomoewallabee, how come you got that question?
16:14.03wallabeetomoe: when I say I'm french with my japanese-looking face, I often trigger this kind of question
16:14.26Tomoeyou have a japanese looking face? =)
16:16.08licksjpTomoe, me or wallabee?<you have a japanese looking face? =)>
16:16.26Tomoewallabee,
16:16.35licksjpTomoe,sorry
16:16.51wallabeeI got a korean face
16:17.06Tomoeoh, you have korean ancestors or?
16:17.46wallabeeI was born in korea, but raised in france
16:18.44licksjpwallabee, r u asian person?
16:19.08licksjpwallabee, when I called u,I thought u r asian face
16:19.33wallabeelicks: well, you were right
16:20.45Tomoeno wonder you're so obsessed with games then =P
16:21.12licksjpTomoe, Have u ever called phone to wallabee?
16:21.14wallabeehehe, this one was easy
16:21.28Tomoeno, I don't have his phone number
16:22.11wallabeei've bough a new vaio, a u70 ^^/
16:22.27wallabeecan do all I was doing on my previous u50 (http://wallabee2.free.fr/pics/?album=u50), and more ^o^/
16:23.11TomoeI'm considering buying a phs card for my z
16:23.16wallabeelicks: I tried debian this full last month. Definitely don't like it
16:23.40wallabeelicks: I'm getting back to "Gaits OS" now
16:23.56Tomoegoddamn wallabee you definitely spend too much money on gadgets =P
16:23.59wallabeetomoe: you should have it for free with your isp contract
16:24.09Tomoewallabee, ?
16:24.17wallabeethe phs card ?
16:24.21Tomoeoh
16:24.25Tomoeyeah, of course, I meant that
16:24.39Tomoehowever I'll get a flatrate prepaid
16:24.44licksjpwallabee, You r Mac,aren't u?
16:24.47Tomoeso it's about as same as paying for the card
16:24.47Tomoe=)
16:25.35wallabeetomoe: oh, right. You plans to get the new KWINS ?
16:25.56Tomoekwins pda or bitwarp pda
16:26.03Tomoenot sure which one is cheaper yet
16:26.43licksjpwallabee, Do u have tablet PC?
16:26.54wallabeelicks: I bought an ibook 1 year and a "haafu" ago, just to see, and happen to like it a lot. but it's very slow and doesn't fit all my needs
16:27.38Tomoelol I got an ancient powerbook for free wallabee
16:27.50wallabeetomoe: don't know, I found prices from b-mobile and docomo were not bad
16:27.58wallabeecompared to what I paid for AirH"
16:28.07licksjpwallabee, which do u like better gaits OS or ibook?
16:28.07wallabeetomoe: so, how does it work ? ^^
16:28.21Tomoewallabee, decent
16:28.28Tomoedidn't play too much with it tho
16:28.37Tomoeand the sad fact is I will be unable to run decent linux on it
16:28.50Tomoesince linux doesn't support NuBus on powermacs
16:28.57wallabeelicksjp: OSX is a winner. But I miss some features from "gaits os"
16:28.57Tomoewhich means no pcmcia
16:29.07Tomoelinux > *
16:29.09Tomoe=P
16:29.35wallabeetomoe: oh, too bad
16:29.52Tomoewallabee, nvm, I'll just run some ssh client on macos
16:29.53Tomoe=)
16:30.16wallabee^^bitwarp uses AirH" network
16:30.20wallabeeright ?
16:30.24Tomoehm
16:30.38Tomoethey rent both docomo and ddi I think
16:30.42Tomoeresources
16:31.00Tomoeanyways I was just checking the coverage today and my area is covered pretty well
16:31.01Tomoe<3
16:31.13wallabeelicksjp: virtual pc just sucks on OSX, while coLinux and VMware are total winners on gaits os, among others things
16:31.53licksjpwallabee, but Does it need cpu power?
16:32.04wallabeetomoe: I remembered trying my airh" near Kunitachi, and it was really awful
16:32.30Tomoewallabee, colinux and vmware are winnars because of the same architecture
16:32.47Tomoetry running them on mac arch
16:32.47Tomoe=P
16:33.18wallabeelicks: it rather needs native x86 hardware. So no new apple hardware until x86-based OSX ("retail") laptops for me
16:33.31Tomoelol
16:33.40Tomoewallabee, there's one thing I dislike with apple powerbooks
16:33.51Tomoethe nipples are on d and k instead of f and j
16:33.58Tomoeis it like that on newer models too?
16:33.59wallabeereally ?
16:34.23TomoeNO NOT REALLY I'M JUST BULLSHITTING YOU
16:34.24Tomoe=P
16:34.25wallabeei only have an ibook, but these are placed on regular 'f' and 'j' keys
16:34.30Tomoeof course it's really
16:34.35Tomoeah well this is very old
16:34.39Tomoelike 10 years old
16:34.46Tomoefirst laptop to have builtin cdrom lol
16:34.47wallabeewell, that's quite suprising so...
16:35.46Tomoehehe
16:36.00TomoeI think I'll just use it as coolness apparel
16:36.00licksjpI am hugry
16:36.16Tomoerun tcpdump in sshclient and let it run
16:36.21Tomoeso it looks l33t =P
16:36.55wallabeehehe ^^
16:36.58Tomoeno other use for it lol
16:38.39Tomoesince I can't even touchtype =/
16:38.57Tomoewallabee, you know of any decent eyecandies for mac or ssh?
16:39.08licksjpwallabee, How about Linux?
16:39.21Tomoeor I might put linux and run xcreensaver lol
16:39.24wallabeetomoe: "eyecandies" ?
16:39.30wallabeeoh, i see...
16:39.44Tomoewallabee, things that look cool but have no specific use
16:39.56Tomoealthough they might have
16:39.56Tomoe=)
16:40.38wallabeelicks: dislike, I'm a long time FreeBSD user
16:40.46Tomoelol
16:40.49Tomoe=)
16:41.38licksjpFreeBSD is difficult for me how to think
16:41.53licksjpmore than linux
16:41.54Tomoelol
16:42.07Tomoe/nick BSDisDEAD
16:42.08Tomoe=P
16:42.44licksjpTomoe, why dead?
16:42.50Tomoejoke, licksjp
16:44.00licksjpTomoe I know
16:45.30licksjplol
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16:46.59licksjpTomoe and wallabee Are there many user for FreeBSD in oversea?
16:48.33Tomoeno, it's dead
16:50.02wallabeelicks: well, much less than linux users that's a fact
16:50.37Tomoehehe
16:50.37Tomoe=)
16:50.51licksjpTomoe ,How about "$B=@=Q(B"?
16:51.13Tomoewhat about it
16:51.14Tomoe?
16:51.42wallabeetomoe: how does it scales under high load ?
16:51.56Tomoewhat?
16:52.07wallabeesorry tried to make a joke
16:52.14wallabee(T_T)
16:52.14licksjpare u practise the "$B=@=Q(B" every day?
16:52.20Tomoeno licksjp, busy now
16:52.24TomoeI will restart soon
16:54.29licksjpTomoe Do u understando how to use "$B=u;l(B"?
16:56.35Tomoea bit
16:56.36Tomoe=)
16:58.05licksjpTomoe, When do u start ,next class?
16:58.38Tomoein couple days
16:59.09wallabeeganbare ^o^/
16:59.24Tomoeganbarou
16:59.35Tomoefailurou lol
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17:00.41licksjpTomoe, what "in couple days"?
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17:01.11wallabeehis new phs service subscription in a couple of days
17:02.30Tomoeno
17:02.38Tomoemy class starts in a couple of days
17:04.24licksjpTomoe, oic
17:05.35licksjpTomoe, my Japanese is "$B4X@>J[(B"
17:05.39licksjplol!!!!!
17:06.04wallabeeyes, noticed that
17:06.46wallabee*tears* my pocky's chocolate have melt (T_T)
17:08.04licksjpwallabee, keep out "$B4X@>J[(B" in this channel?
17:09.02wallabeeI don't mind, I find kansaiben amusing myself  ^^
17:09.08wallabeeoh tell me
17:09.27wallabeeare you good at asking for rebates when buying stuffs ?
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17:09.50radugai'm ok at asking for rebates, when I can speak the language.
17:10.00Tomoelicksjp, lol
17:10.07wallabeelike all people living in kansai do
17:10.09radugaI had an absolutely terrible time at akihabra for that reason :(
17:11.10wallabeeraduga: I heard it's difficult to ask for rebates in akiba, where prices are already low
17:11.35wallabee(don't have much experience in akiba though)
17:11.46radugaits even more difficult, if the only people you can talk to are those who speak english,a nd recognise that you're a stupid gaijin
17:11.47licksjpraduga, akiba is electric city in Japan
17:12.09radugalicksjp: i know :)
17:12.24radugaI have been to japan a couple times. I'm still very ignorant, though!
17:12.59wallabeeraduga: indeed
17:13.07Tomoelol
17:13.16Tomoeakihabara isn't actually a cheap buy
17:13.25Tomoebest prices you'll find on net =/
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17:13.49radugaI know that now!
17:13.55licksjpraduga, Do u like junk PCs?
17:13.59raduga(i did not know that when I first was there)
17:14.00radugajunk?
17:14.19radugahello george
17:14.23radugafine day to you!
17:16.01licksjpIt is not garentee PCs <junk>
17:17.16radugaI don't understand
17:17.56radugaI usually build PCs out of separate components, rather than buying full packaged computers
17:18.10radugaI don't quite have the skill to build my own zaurus, however
17:18.26radugais that a "junk" pc? or do you mean something different?
17:18.32wallabeeraduga: really ? You disappoint me
17:19.38radugawallabee: there are two problems
17:19.44radugaA) I do not work for Sharp
17:19.48radugaB) I am not Japanese
17:20.26wallabeeraduga: you can buy trash hardware with no guarantee that it actually work, but if you possess superior soldering iron skills like tomoe do, you can get working stuffs for real bargains
17:21.25licksjpraduga, The PCs which is not guaranteed at all <jank mean>
17:21.39Tomoelol@superior
17:21.48radugaI can do (minor) electronic repair, if the components are large enough for me to see
17:22.20radugaif the parts are too tiny (like Zaurus parts) I would just be guessing at what I was soldering.  And the result would probably be worse junk than it began
17:23.10radugaI can fix a toaster
17:23.14TomoeLOL
17:24.23radugaanyway, if i had the ability to fix zauruses, I probably would not have sold my C760 to pgas
17:24.34radugapgas got a junk zaurus, from me! :(
17:24.40wallabeeI'm not a big fan of junk hardware, I rather like second hand branded stuffs.. ^^
17:25.00wallabeeraduga: oh, and it works now ?
17:25.05radugawallabee: then do not buy any hardware from me. ever.
17:25.12radugawallabee: hehe. It works a little bit.
17:25.24wallabeeraduga: I'll make sure to remember
17:25.34radugaactually, the system board is fine. I think there's a problem with the connector to the LCD
17:25.57radugait got wet, and the connector got somewhat corroded, and I wasn't able to clean it well enough to make it work again
17:26.16radugabacklight turns on, and there's *some* activity on the LCD (and no visible damage) but... no real display
17:26.21radugaotherwise, the zaurus works great :/
17:27.09radugawallabee: want to buy a C1000? cheap?? :)
17:27.09TomoeI like junk if it's free
17:27.16wallabeeheadless zaurus, half the size
17:27.28radugawallabee: that's actually an interesting idea
17:27.39Tomoeraduga, how much? =)
17:27.56radugatomoe: not seriously
17:28.08radugamy C1000 still works. I'll sell it to you, when it's broken :)
17:28.17Tomoelol
17:28.25Tomoeno, when it's broken, give it to me for free
17:28.26Tomoe=P
17:28.31radugano :)
17:28.45radugaunless you are a developer of OZ, cacko, or pdaXrom
17:29.00Tomoewallabee, my 'superior soldering skills' consist of 10yr experience with fixing a half-dead c64
17:29.01radugaor unless you're tetsu
17:29.05Tomoeand that's about it
17:29.33Tomoeraduga, so
17:29.35Tomoeyou're so nice
17:29.43radugavery nice :)
17:29.46radugaactually,
17:29.58Tomoeto give a broken piece of equipment to people who spent countless hours of work to give you something working?
17:30.09radugaat the time I sold my C760, I was strongly considering just giving it to maslovsky, or sash
17:30.17Tomoe=P
17:30.53radugatomoe: other things I *do* give away though
17:31.02Tomoehehe
17:31.04radugaI sent my Jornada to koyote
17:31.26radugahopefully he will do something interesting with it
17:31.42radugaI have some very good iced tea.
17:31.44radugawant some?
17:32.22Tomoewallabee, and realising that no matter how complex the system is, 50% of malfunctions will be related to power circuits
17:33.31radugatomoe: in my experience, 70% of malfunctions are related to user error
17:33.38wallabeeraduga: he'll probably use it as a remote controller to his ingeniously built trap to capture once and for all this so called "meep meep"
17:33.50radugamaybe 20% to power issues, and 10% to other things
17:33.55Tomoeraduga, well
17:33.59wallabeetomoe: that's interesting
17:34.20Tomoethat depends on the user and that's why IMO user errors are 2% and IYO 70%
17:34.22Tomoe*ducks*
17:35.01subduehttp://my.opera.com/community/party/reg.dml
17:35.02wallabee^^
17:35.29wallabeesubdue: hey, i've send a mail finally, but had no answer
17:35.32wallabeewhat about you ?
17:36.10Tomoelol they'll be like APRIL 1RST!
17:36.59Tomoe*1ST
17:37.02Tomoelol
17:37.08Tomoegod I'm really hungry
17:37.09wallabeehow, the form works instantly
17:37.19Tomoeback2chicken
17:37.25subdueuse the link for an instant registration
17:37.27wallabeesubdue: thanks for the link!
17:37.31TomoeI left it in the fridge for too long so it smells weird now
17:37.35Tomoe=/
17:37.40wallabeeI mean s/how/ow/
17:37.50radugatomoe: Mark Twain said-
17:37.53raduga"The first of April is the day we remember what we are the other 364 days of the year."
17:38.24radugatomoe: how long was the chicken there?
17:38.40TomoeI'd say 4 days
17:38.58Tomoeand it should have been max 2 days
17:39.21Tomoebut I left the apartment to visit my friends who came from croatia to watch Mirko fight
17:39.27Tomoeand stayed over at their hotel
17:39.35Tomoenot coming back home for another 2 days
17:39.45radugaI have chicken that's sat in the fridge for 13 hours now.
17:40.00radugaby the time I get home, it will be 18 hours
17:40.39radugaI have other chicken that's 5 days old
17:40.42radugabut its in the freezer
17:41.29Tomoeyeah I have one more pack in the freezer too
17:41.33radugaI had some cow that was a few weeks old, but it looked scary, and so I put it in the pile with all my junk pc's
17:41.41Tomoeeww
17:41.42Tomoelol
17:41.56radugai.e. TRASH
17:42.06Tomoeok gotta get back to cutting this or it will smell up my room
17:42.18radugathe proper place for junk is trash!
17:42.38radugatomoe: unfortunately, my room already smells
17:42.42radugabecause I am inside it
17:48.04wallabeeok people
17:48.06wallabeegood night
17:48.42radugagood morning.
17:48.54TomoeNIGHT
17:52.44licksjpnight!
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17:58.21licksjpTomoe, what r ur speciality?
18:04.38Tomoeanalsecx
18:08.05licksjpTomoe, analects?
18:15.56Tomoeyeah
18:18.35licksjpoic
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19:20.03phraganyone know why i get "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" when trying to compile anything on openzaurus ?
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19:25.12Tomoelol wtf
19:25.17Tomoekill me if I know
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21:02.21jdh41phrag: suggest you poke the log file form the configure - at a guess it can't find the C compiler or something - it should tell you more
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