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| 00:19.05 | khafra | I mean--the standard ipkg format is a valid, gzipped file. These aren't. It's like the file is corrupted--what I really need is a pointer to another ssh client. |
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| 01:23.41 | subdue | oz feeds are packaged differently, even though it uses a ipk extension |
| 01:23.51 | subdue | I'd expect pdaXrom might be different too |
| 01:24.11 | subdue | try another package, see if you can install it |
| 01:25.00 | khafra | I tried putty and putty-tools, from that feed. |
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| 01:25.13 | khafra | Neither worked; both the same "invalid archive" error |
| 01:25.38 | khafra | But packages from the regular pdaxrom feed work fine. |
| 01:26.59 | subdue | from the same feed? |
| 01:27.03 | benplaut | when flashing, are the flash files the only ones that can be on the SD/CF card, or can i have other files in a seperate folder |
| 01:27.29 | subdue | you really should ask the oz people if it's about oz flashing! |
| 01:27.42 | benplaut | any flashing... |
| 01:27.54 | benplaut | not getting any help from them, either |
| 01:28.15 | subdue | you can have other things on the card |
| 01:28.22 | benplaut | k, thanks |
| 01:28.24 | subdue | as long as the root doesnt contain anything that it can use to flash |
| 01:28.28 | khafra | subdue: The putty package is from that feed at beer.geek.nz. The main pdaxrom feed is at mirror1.pdaxrom.org/feed. But the author of the beer.geek.nz ipkgs says they're for pdaxrom |
| 01:28.31 | benplaut | my creative solution: |
| 01:28.46 | subdue | I still say you should get a card reader |
| 01:28.52 | subdue | your life will be happier |
| 01:29.00 | benplaut | put the files for flashing to pdaXrom on the card with the flash files for OZ |
| 01:29.10 | benplaut | i know it will, but i can't get one right now ;) |
| 01:29.10 | khafra | Eek. Zaurusing without a card reader? They're only about $10,you know. |
| 01:29.20 | benplaut | this is hawaii... |
| 01:29.23 | subdue | his other half wont let him get one |
| 01:29.26 | subdue | so am I |
| 01:29.33 | subdue | they're cheap |
| 01:29.45 | benplaut | $20 for the one that looks like crap, and $25 for a decent one |
| 01:29.45 | khafra | Gah. You know, when I lived in Hawaii, my other half wouldn't let me buy geeky toys either. |
| 01:29.50 | benplaut | you're in hawaii? |
| 01:29.59 | subdue | yes, I picked up the lexar |
| 01:29.59 | benplaut | it's actaully my parents... |
| 01:30.06 | benplaut | hmm |
| 01:30.08 | subdue | reads almost everything |
| 01:30.19 | khafra | Hah, guess you can't just split up, like I did. |
| 01:30.29 | benplaut | the one with a seperate cable or the one that looks like a jumpdrive? |
| 01:30.35 | subdue | it's not *worth* the trouble of trying to be creative |
| 01:30.50 | benplaut | it's summer... i've got nothing better to do :P |
| 01:30.51 | subdue | I got the RW022 |
| 01:31.27 | subdue | http://www.lexarmedia.com/readers/multi.html |
| 01:31.41 | khafra | subdue: Go up to Turtle Bay and ride the waves in, man--there's plenty to do! |
| 01:31.42 | subdue | CompactFlash, SmartMedia, Memory Stick, Memory Stick Duo, Memory Stick PRO Duo, Memory Stick Pro, MMC, SD and xD-Picture Card. |
| 01:31.47 | khafra | I mean, benplaut. |
| 01:31.54 | khafra | Heh, I trust my autocomplete too far. |
| 01:32.08 | subdue | I'm on another island from him |
| 01:32.17 | benplaut | what island? |
| 01:32.17 | subdue | he's got all the big stores on his island |
| 01:32.22 | subdue | lots of choices |
| 01:32.23 | benplaut | <big island |
| 01:32.37 | khafra | Oh, not Oahu? |
| 01:32.40 | subdue | you're on the big island? |
| 01:32.41 | benplaut | nope |
| 01:32.47 | benplaut | kona side, yeah |
| 01:32.52 | subdue | I'm in Hilo |
| 01:32.56 | subdue | you still have the big stores there |
| 01:33.03 | khafra | Hah, not exactly "big." |
| 01:33.09 | subdue | kmart, costco, walmart |
| 01:33.24 | subdue | it's a 2.5 hr drive at least to his side |
| 01:33.25 | benplaut | wallyworld's the only one with readers... |
| 01:33.40 | benplaut | wait... are you in BILUG? |
| 01:33.48 | subdue | um.... no? |
| 01:33.52 | subdue | no idea what that is |
| 01:33.57 | benplaut | Big Island LUG |
| 01:34.02 | subdue | what's a lug? |
| 01:34.09 | benplaut | Linux User Group |
| 01:34.12 | subdue | nope |
| 01:34.17 | subdue | I'm a freebsd person |
| 01:34.22 | benplaut | aaahhh |
| 01:34.42 | benplaut | probably the only one on the island :P |
| 01:35.03 | subdue | haha. freebsd is sooo much easier to maintain than linux |
| 01:35.41 | benplaut | well... i haven't done any maintenence (except for updating) in 3 months ;) |
| 01:35.52 | subdue | that's not good |
| 01:36.06 | subdue | better make sure you have patches or you'll be defaced |
| 01:36.12 | koyote | oi |
| 01:36.15 | khafra | If he's not running services, it should be ok |
| 01:36.27 | benplaut | yes, that's what i meant by updating :) |
| 01:36.31 | subdue | sockstat -4l |
| 01:36.36 | benplaut | 3 months ago was the last kernel update |
| 01:36.36 | subdue | (if you have that command) |
| 01:36.55 | benplaut | bash: sockstat: command not found |
| 01:37.20 | khafra | koyote: io! io Pan! |
| 01:37.27 | khafra | Oh, "oi." Sorry, got it backward. |
| 01:37.27 | benplaut | ? |
| 01:37.29 | subdue | wtf. my page got reversed |
| 01:37.39 | koyote | damn |
| 01:37.40 | benplaut | huh? |
| 01:38.02 | subdue | grrr |
| 01:38.03 | koyote | sharp roms biggest suck is backlight intensity control |
| 01:38.34 | khafra | < benplaut> ? < subdue> wtf. < koyote> damn < benplaut> huh? |
| 01:39.03 | benplaut | <subdue> grrr |
| 01:39.21 | subdue | koyote: guylhem supposedly fixed that |
| 01:39.38 | subdue | koyote: when he finally gets around to it, I'll figure out which part he did for that |
| 01:39.45 | benplaut | so... how do i do a factory reset? |
| 01:40.40 | subdue | when you ask something like that, you have to say for which z |
| 01:40.46 | benplaut | woops |
| 01:40.50 | benplaut | Akita, C1000 |
| 01:41.05 | subdue | let me piont you to something |
| 01:41.13 | subdue | http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Zaurus_How-To_Docs |
| 01:41.21 | benplaut | the only answer i've found is that it's in the service menu, which is in japanese |
| 01:41.21 | subdue | if you look down the page .... |
| 01:41.34 | benplaut | ahhh |
| 01:41.40 | benplaut | i was looking in the FAQ :P |
| 01:42.06 | subdue | if the 1k page is sparse, it's partially b/c I dont have one |
| 01:42.31 | benplaut | you should get a C3000 |
| 01:42.39 | benplaut | (if you don't have one allready) |
| 01:42.41 | koyote | 3100 |
| 01:42.50 | benplaut | OpenBSD runs on C3000 ;) |
| 01:42.53 | subdue | well, being that I'm happy with my 6k ... |
| 01:42.57 | koyote | yes |
| 01:43.03 | koyote | ack, bbq, afk |
| 01:43.07 | subdue | http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=C1000_ROMs_%26_Backups |
| 01:43.30 | benplaut | i was just looking at that... |
| 01:43.33 | subdue | oh great. it's empty |
| 01:43.48 | benplaut | exactly |
| 01:44.32 | benplaut | option 3, then option one it looks like |
| 01:44.40 | benplaut | (C3000, but it should apply) |
| 01:45.21 | subdue | I have no idea |
| 01:46.49 | benplaut | well, that didn't work |
| 01:46.55 | benplaut | booting back into OZ :P |
| 01:47.54 | subdue | stick to sharp |
| 01:47.59 | subdue | life will be easier |
| 01:48.15 | benplaut | that's what i'm trying to switch back to, ATM |
| 01:48.48 | benplaut | so... how do you rate Cacko against Sharp? |
| 01:50.05 | subdue | I have a different philosophy from yours |
| 01:50.17 | subdue | I will try out something until I'm certain it can't give me what I need |
| 01:50.29 | subdue | that there are no hacks around an issue |
| 01:50.33 | subdue | if it's minor, I'll live with it |
| 01:50.48 | subdue | so in the case of the sharp rom, I've managed to solve most issues |
| 01:50.55 | benplaut | hmm |
| 01:50.56 | subdue | including using opera 7.55 |
| 01:51.09 | benplaut | to each his own... |
| 01:51.23 | subdue | what I'm saying is that's what I have now |
| 01:51.40 | subdue | I was patient, and so I'm now able to use the later opera |
| 01:51.50 | subdue | I have xqt installed if I want x11 |
| 01:52.11 | subdue | in fact, this is what I have: http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Applications_that_run_on_the_6000L/Sharp_ROM |
| 01:52.35 | subdue | most issues I've worked through |
| 01:53.06 | benplaut | i'm going by the philosophy of why mess with adapting it to fit your needs if something else appears to already fit |
| 02:00.08 | subdue | btw, the lexar reader is pretty cool, as it's usb2.0, reads most things |
| 02:02.38 | benplaut | i guess i'll get one next time i'm in Kailua |
| 02:02.57 | benplaut | heh... my friend has that one :) |
| 02:03.11 | subdue | borrow his |
| 02:03.32 | benplaut | in Kauai :( |
| 02:04.09 | subdue | I'd lend you one, but the funny part is the gas would cost you more to come here than th buy one |
| 02:05.12 | benplaut | true... |
| 02:05.58 | benplaut | i'll just get one next tim i go to town... my mom owes me $20 from a resteraunt that she didn't know was cash only :P |
| 02:06.15 | subdue | try to make sure it's usb2.0 |
| 02:06.36 | benplaut | i know it is... i was on the edge of buying it a week ago |
| 02:06.42 | subdue | ok |
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| 04:16.28 | subdue | http://downloads.conics.net/pda/zaurus-sl-c700/service-menus/ |
| 04:21.05 | subdue | http://downloads.conics.net/pda/zaurus-sl-c700/service-menus/original-backups/ |
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| 04:41.14 | yook12 | hello |
| 04:49.49 | koyote | yiiiiiiiiiiii |
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| 05:29.43 | Camui | how long does the initial boot take ona 5500? |
| 05:30.19 | Camui | I've been staring at it for 4 minutes and nothing |
| 05:39.30 | raduga | koyote: *ting* |
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| 05:51.03 | arrummzen | Do any of you have tips on how to secure a Zaurus by encrypting /? |
| 05:54.00 | arrummzen | I know how to do this on a Linux Desktop or Laptop, but I don't have any experence doing it on non-x86 machines. |
| 06:10.35 | ljp | camui: not that long :) |
| 06:11.07 | Camui | i'm trying it again |
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| 06:20.33 | Tomoe | How are you gentlemen |
| 06:21.10 | Camui | all your base arebelongto us |
| 06:21.26 | Tomoe | no yuo |
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| 06:41.07 | raduga | all my base is belong to my cats :[ |
| 06:41.19 | kendrick | haha |
| 07:05.54 | Tomoe | gents, I'm having problems with installing screen, any advices? |
| 07:29.51 | Tomoe | lol |
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| 08:03.06 | subdue | I installed the screen manually |
| 08:03.10 | subdue | works fine |
| 08:03.29 | subdue | :/usr/bin/screen && /etc/screenrc or whatever it was called |
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| 08:05.51 | subdue | of course, I just started it, knowing little of how to run it |
| 08:06.26 | ljp | better read the man page :) |
| 08:07.11 | subdue | I just installed it b/c tomoe said he had problems |
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| 08:16.01 | Tomoe | How are you gentlemen |
| 08:17.39 | benplaut | same as always |
| 08:21.15 | Tomoe | eh |
| 08:21.18 | Tomoe | tough life |
| 08:21.32 | Tomoe | subdue, any luck with screen? |
| 08:22.17 | benplaut | quote: |
| 08:22.18 | benplaut | subdue I installed the screen manually |
| 08:22.18 | benplaut | subdue works fine |
| 08:22.18 | benplaut | subdue :/usr/bin/screen && /etc/screenrc or whatever it was called |
| 08:22.18 | benplaut | * ljp hugs screen |
| 08:22.45 | Tomoe | just those two files? |
| 08:23.42 | Tomoe | pls2halp |
| 08:23.50 | subdue | yes, just those 2 files |
| 08:23.55 | Tomoe | aewsom |
| 08:23.56 | subdue | that's all that's needed |
| 08:24.00 | subdue | extract it manually |
| 08:24.40 | Tomoe | ah yeah |
| 08:24.45 | Tomoe | I checked the .ipk now |
| 08:24.46 | Tomoe | erm |
| 08:24.56 | Tomoe | should I leave the etcscreenrc filename as it is? |
| 08:25.17 | subdue | whatever it's called, yes |
| 08:25.26 | subdue | just put that in /etc |
| 08:25.38 | Tomoe | yeah got it |
| 08:25.45 | Tomoe | was too slow to remember to check myself lol |
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| 08:31.30 | Tomoe_ | lol hy |
| 08:37.26 | Tomoe_ | good, screen works |
| 08:37.40 | Tomoe | now to set up net connection |
| 08:40.03 | subdue | I'm so glad I'm not on oz |
| 08:40.15 | subdue | they get stuck too much on the forums |
| 08:40.28 | subdue | scares me |
| 08:40.28 | Tomoe | ok that works too now |
| 08:40.51 | ljp | oz needs better qa |
| 08:41.19 | ljp | and more people helping :) |
| 08:41.32 | subdue | well, they do seem to fix things. they just dont seem to update the basic starting point with the fixes |
| 08:42.19 | Tomoe | hm |
| 08:42.28 | Tomoe | what are the proxy-related variables in irssi? |
| 08:42.29 | subdue | I wanted to help them, but boy, it was hard to even get started |
| 08:42.45 | Tomoe | is use_proxy |
| 08:42.47 | subdue | see irssi.org |
| 08:43.01 | subdue | they have lots of stuff there |
| 08:43.02 | Tomoe | for using the built-in irssi's proxy function |
| 08:43.08 | Tomoe | or for using an external proxy? |
| 08:43.13 | Tomoe | oh |
| 08:43.18 | Tomoe | it seems it's for external |
| 08:43.31 | ljp | ya, and that the hurdle to start helping is too high |
| 08:43.56 | subdue | http://www.irssi.org/?page=docs |
| 08:44.38 | subdue | I think I'm also bothered by the idea of just tossing all the existing things |
| 08:44.48 | subdue | all the legacy apps |
| 08:45.03 | subdue | the ones on killefiz and stuff |
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| 08:48.09 | Tomoe | hy wallabee |
| 08:48.25 | wallabee | good morning people |
| 08:48.42 | wallabee | hi tomoe ^^ |
| 08:48.48 | Tomoe | bloody firewall |
| 08:48.57 | Tomoe | I thought I set up something wrong |
| 08:49.06 | Tomoe | and the damn thing was blocking outgoing udp |
| 08:49.08 | Tomoe | blah |
| 08:50.23 | wallabee | this shouldn't cause that much harm |
| 08:51.01 | Tomoe | no it's ok now I've set it up |
| 08:51.15 | Tomoe | but the firewall didn't let dns queries from zaurus go out |
| 08:51.20 | Tomoe | so I thought something is wrong |
| 08:51.46 | wallabee | ha, this can be annoying |
| 08:52.59 | wallabee | firmware 2.0 for psp is out at last ^o^/ |
| 09:12.15 | Tomoe | blah |
| 09:12.22 | Tomoe | unable_to_make_irssi_connect =( |
| 09:12.40 | wallabee | really ? when i tried it worked fine |
| 09:13.08 | wallabee | the built didn't included utf-8 and ssl however, but it doesn't matter |
| 09:13.33 | Tomoe | the thing is that my uni's nat blocks almost everything except ports 80, 22 and 21 |
| 09:13.37 | Tomoe | https too |
| 09:13.41 | Tomoe | that's 443 right |
| 09:13.49 | Tomoe | so I need to use a proxy in order to irc |
| 09:15.48 | wallabee | oh, bad luck |
| 09:23.13 | ljp | http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/africa/07/27/clinton.kenya.ap/index.html |
| 09:24.12 | wallabee | ^^ |
| 09:29.11 | Tomoe | hm |
| 09:30.28 | Tomoe | anyone here uses nmap? |
| 09:40.43 | Tomoe | wallabee, |
| 09:45.49 | Tomoe | never mind, sorry |
| 09:45.54 | wallabee | tomoe: yes, it works |
| 09:51.20 | Tomoe | wallabee, I needed a link to libstdc++ but I've found it |
| 09:57.20 | Tomoe | awesome <3 |
| 11:11.43 | Tomoe | wallabee, you here? |
| 11:26.20 | wallabee | tomoe: yes, back from dinner |
| 11:26.30 | Tomoe | great |
| 11:26.36 | Tomoe | what did you have? =) |
| 11:27.44 | wallabee | rice and usual okazu |
| 11:38.54 | wayne | Googe is great |
| 11:39.18 | wayne | I have no idea what "okazu" is, i assume it's food. So i head over to google image, and the first 2 matches are people having sex |
| 11:39.33 | Tomoe | LOL |
| 11:39.37 | Tomoe | yeah |
| 11:39.39 | Tomoe | hey |
| 11:39.40 | wallabee | wayne: hey! |
| 11:39.47 | Tomoe | I had some rice and usual goatse |
| 11:39.55 | wayne | Tomoe: ahaha right :) |
| 11:40.03 | wallabee | you're misunderstanding (>_<) |
| 11:40.03 | wayne | i didn't just drop from the last rain |
| 11:40.06 | Tomoe | lol =) |
| 11:40.19 | wayne | yeah so my friend, tubgirl, did something amusing the other day |
| 11:40.29 | Tomoe | lol |
| 11:40.34 | Tomoe | amateur =P |
| 11:40.45 | wallabee | wayne: that's the common denomination for food that accompany rice on a japanese table |
| 11:41.32 | wayne | wallabee: interesting. in the west, it's usually rice that accompanies the food, not the other way around |
| 11:41.40 | wayne | but we eat crap so heh |
| 11:41.53 | wallabee | wayne: well... ^o^ |
| 11:43.30 | Tomoe | in Soviet Russia, the rice cooks you |
| 11:44.01 | wayne | to make a proper Sovia Russia joke, you must omit "the", and end with exclamations |
| 11:44.08 | wayne | In Soviet Russia, rice cooks you!! |
| 11:44.25 | wallabee | wayne: hehe |
| 11:44.34 | wayne | there's a good article on wikipedia about it :) |
| 11:46.22 | Tomoe | =) |
| 11:51.41 | Tomoe | <when> 227356799: my boyfriend and i usually don't have good conversation, but he is good in the bedroom. we haven't had sex yet but i'm sure it will be good when it happens. i want to break up with him, but i think i secretly hope that things will get better. i hope they do. |
| 11:52.47 | wayne | uuhh |
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| 13:13.54 | Tomoe | see you guys |
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| 13:30.10 | ViV | hmmm why i'm not into rice jokes? |
| 13:34.09 | wayne | there was no rice jokes |
| 13:34.36 | ViV | <wayne> to make a proper Sovia Russia joke, you must omit "the", and end with exclamations |
| 13:34.53 | ViV | i think it was related to rice joke |
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| 13:35.48 | wayne | ah yeah but it aws not very good... |
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| 14:50.38 | raduga | viv: soviet russia jokes are an artifact of Slashdot |
| 14:50.52 | raduga | viv: some old troll |
| 14:50.55 | ViV | ah |
| 14:51.43 | raduga | viv: in the jokes, you invert the normal cause and effect, for humor value. |
| 14:52.12 | wayne | Like in the simpsons: "In soviet russia, car drives you!!" |
| 14:52.12 | raduga | viv: the implication that, in the soviet days, everything was 'backwards' from the way they are now |
| 14:52.46 | raduga | viv: what makes the joke "funny" is the ambiguity in some cases, about which is properly backwards and which is properly forwards. |
| 14:53.13 | raduga | viv: at least, for english speakers. they may not be funny at all for native russian speakers, or for anyone who survived the Soviet times... |
| 14:53.36 | raduga | wayne: did it originate on the Simpsons? |
| 14:53.56 | wayne | raduga: it's also about the fact that devices/thins/concepts can act on you while you are normally supposed to have control on them |
| 14:53.59 | wayne | like government votes you, etc |
| 14:54.11 | raduga | wayne: yes |
| 14:54.16 | wayne | raduga: in the episode where homer buys a new car and tests a very small russian built car in some auto dealer |
| 14:54.48 | raduga | wayne: i didn't know that it originated on the Simpsons. I first heard it (and mostly heard it since) on Slashdot :/ |
| 14:54.53 | raduga | wayne: thanks! |
| 14:55.03 | wayne | raduga: actually, neither the simpsons or slashdot are the origin |
| 14:55.08 | raduga | interesting |
| 14:55.45 | wayne | also, futurama made a reference to the joke |
| 14:56.05 | wayne | when fry goes on the planet to harvest ice with the giant ice machien |
| 14:56.13 | wayne | it's attributed to Yakov Smirnoff |
| 14:56.21 | wayne | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Soviet_Russia |
| 14:56.22 | wayne | read this |
| 15:02.08 | ViV | poor english speakers - you have to follow words order 8) |
| 15:02.51 | wayne | waht do you mean? |
| 15:04.15 | ViV | if i change words' order in 'you cook rice' in russian i won't get different meaning 8) |
| 15:05.17 | wayne | so? i wouldn't say "poor english speakers" for that. Having syntaxical signification is nice, you can do all sorts of lyrical prowess |
| 15:06.41 | koyote | oi |
| 15:06.43 | koyote | again |
| 15:06.52 | wayne | hi koyote |
| 15:06.55 | ViV | in russian words' order mostly defines emotional signification |
| 15:07.37 | pgas | hi, being able to change the order is quite effective, like when you ask "what do you cook", you can answer "rice I cook" the important piece of info is given right away |
| 15:08.06 | koyote | or you can beusian and just say |
| 15:08.08 | koyote | rice |
| 15:08.24 | koyote | be USian |
| 15:08.40 | wayne | "In my pots is bubbling water in which the plant's seeds are boiling, which are rice" |
| 15:10.16 | ViV | arbitrary words' order isn't so typical for english |
| 15:12.04 | koyote | wayne- you are basque? |
| 15:12.21 | wayne | koyote: i'm french |
| 15:13.02 | koyote | ah. |
| 15:13.09 | wayne | why? |
| 15:13.42 | koyote | sounded like a word for word translation into english of how a basque would answer |
| 15:13.55 | raduga | koyote: a query |
| 15:14.02 | koyote | damn. why wont gaim work for me on sharp rom |
| 15:14.10 | koyote | rrraaaddduuuugggaaa |
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| 15:14.40 | koyote | is here, safe, working. man, that is one buggy linux distro :) |
| 15:14.46 | raduga | good :) |
| 15:14.57 | raduga | i wanted to make sure it arrived! |
| 15:14.58 | koyote | will mail you something next post office trip |
| 15:15.04 | raduga | koyote: no rush |
| 15:15.11 | raduga | koyote: but that would be nice :) |
| 15:15.45 | ViV | someone, mail me a parcel |
| 15:15.54 | raduga | koyote: you should be able to upgrade to at least OE familiar |
| 15:15.59 | wayne | koyote: really? I don't even know what basque's are, other than they'd be from spain? |
| 15:17.02 | raduga | basque syntax is... pretty much unique |
| 15:17.07 | koyote | yeah |
| 15:17.20 | raduga | there's some question over what its relation is to other european languages. |
| 15:17.54 | raduga | Its not at all clear, as Romance, Germanic, Balto-Slavic, and mixtures of others go |
| 15:18.25 | wayne | with this kind of conversation on IRC, i'll *never* finish my report function |
| 15:18.38 | koyote | i.e. anyone who isnt religiously tied to indoeuropean supremacy believes the basque are.... other |
| 15:18.38 | raduga | koyote: I don't really know much at all of Basque, but some ETA-affilated group has been putting up posters on campus. |
| 15:18.41 | raduga | a few years ago. |
| 15:19.13 | wayne | i know they want to separate from spain |
| 15:19.17 | wayne | or something |
| 15:19.27 | raduga | koyote: which is... very interesting, as they seem to be the most *other* that we know of, in Europe |
| 15:19.47 | koyote | well, they have been there a few millenia longer than any other residents of spain |
| 15:20.49 | raduga | is there much written history from pre-roman times? |
| 15:21.51 | koyote | like, some basque dude's great^500 grandfather painted cavess |
| 15:22.21 | raduga | they're pre-Kurgan??! |
| 15:22.24 | koyote | um, there is argument about what writing is...... |
| 15:22.29 | raduga | that would be... quite a feat. |
| 15:22.54 | pgas | there also basque in france, not only in spain |
| 15:23.46 | raduga | pgas: yes. they don't necessarily have a "spanish" identity at all. |
| 15:24.00 | koyote | i think basque is pre all ie, which would include kurgan |
| 15:24.11 | raduga | koyote: *nod* |
| 15:25.24 | koyote | there is a LOT of religious fighting about this because it can be detrimental to the fertile crescent centrism |
| 15:26.41 | raduga | the fertile crescent is where the indo-europeans 'discovered' civilization, after they'd finished raping and pillaging (read: pacifying the barbarians) the rest of their outlying regions. |
| 15:27.39 | raduga | koyote: I don't suppose there's any trace of pre-christian religion in the region. I wonder if any of it survived until the Inquisition. |
| 15:29.17 | koyote | hrm. dunno. i just got some light 'browsing' type people watching when i was there |
| 15:44.37 | koyote | hrm, i need a serial terminal to flash the 720? |
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| 15:49.42 | raduga | ugh! sorry :/ I guess that wasn't clear in my email |
| 15:49.49 | raduga | yes :/ |
| 15:50.42 | raduga | the total number of users of this beastie is/was at most, in the few tens. There are some things that were never fully polished. |
| 15:51.33 | raduga | the bootloader has a gui interface, but it was only ported to Ipaq and Jornada 560. |
| 15:52.03 | koyote | i remember trying to find the flash board a few yeArs ago and failing |
| 15:52.20 | raduga | the principal J720 developers didn't need the GUI for themselves, so they never got around to patching it |
| 15:52.29 | koyote | probably would have been more popular is 5000 of them were ebayed :) |
| 15:52.39 | raduga | koyote: there's only one reliable source of flash boards |
| 15:52.41 | raduga | is or was. |
| 15:52.48 | koyote | yeah |
| 15:52.48 | raduga | jca@hp.com |
| 15:52.58 | raduga | who is probably if not now unemployed, soon to be. |
| 15:53.02 | JRlinux | New 5500, plugged in wireless card first time. it blinks green, BUT screen frozen. What do I do now? |
| 15:53.48 | JRlinux | Won't even turn off. |
| 15:54.15 | raduga | jr: try removing the card? |
| 15:54.25 | JRlinux | ok |
| 15:54.54 | JRlinux | card renoved... |
| 15:55.23 | JRlinux | Still frozen. Screen not even dimming with non use. |
| 15:55.49 | JRlinux | reset? |
| 15:56.18 | raduga | koyote: if you're interested, there's a netbsd port that is pretty stable, and afaik runs fine. It even has a working text console ;) |
| 15:56.44 | raduga | only problem- the boot loader only runs from wince |
| 15:57.00 | raduga | so it runs off CF and ram, with no flash. |
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| 15:59.37 | wayne | JRlinux: which OS, which wifi card? |
| 16:00.26 | koyote | ahhhhhh |
| 16:00.44 | wayne | brb |
| 16:00.45 | JRlinux | wayne Sharp OS and Spectrum 24 |
| 16:00.47 | koyote | so the bootloader could be modified, probably |
| 16:01.01 | JRlinux | looking for reset button.... |
| 16:01.16 | wayne | JRlinux: hmm, my Spectrum24 did this but only with openzaurus. |
| 16:01.24 | wayne | perhaps after the reset it could work, but it's doubtful |
| 16:01.29 | wayne | the reset buttin is under the battery cover |
| 16:01.52 | raduga | koyote: actually, the netbsd bootloader (modified) is what people use to boot Linux on machines without flash |
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| 16:02.28 | raduga | koyote: whether the linux bootloader can be modded to boot netbsd on machines with flash is...possible but I don't know if its been tried |
| 16:02.32 | JRlinux | It finally turned off. I clicked the on button again. and it is back up (without doing the reset) |
| 16:02.39 | raduga | perhaps no mod needed |
| 16:03.36 | JRlinux | So am I screwed? No chance this wireless card will work? |
| 16:04.07 | raduga | have you tried again, and did it repeat the behavior? |
| 16:04.33 | JRlinux | raduga, nope. Here I go, plugging in the card and starting it again... |
| 16:04.53 | raduga | if it did, then you may need to update something in the configuration. Its likely that you may be able to get it working, but "some assembly required" is also possible. |
| 16:05.38 | JRlinux | No blinking now, and the screen is not frozen. |
| 16:05.49 | raduga | solid green, or off? |
| 16:06.00 | JRlinux | off |
| 16:06.44 | raduga | card not being detected apparently. |
| 16:06.50 | raduga | what do the logs say? |
| 16:07.06 | JRlinux | How do I get to the log? |
| 16:09.33 | raduga | from a terminal shell? |
| 16:09.47 | JRlinux | From anywhere? |
| 16:10.27 | noonecares | hey there |
| 16:14.03 | JRlinux | I am totally new to handhelds and totally new to this one. I know I found the terminal shell once, but not finding it now. Not finding the repository of logs, either. |
| 16:28.08 | JRlinux | Is my IRC dead-- or is it just that no one is able to help me? |
| 16:28.38 | wallabee | ? |
| 16:29.15 | wayne | JRlinux: ok i'm back |
| 16:29.44 | JRlinux | wayne, great. I guess the terminal should show as an icon choice. I just need to look more carefully. |
| 16:30.06 | wayne | JRlinux: allright, i suggest you start by resetting your unit. We'll start "frsh" to make sure it's not something half-broken getting in the way |
| 16:30.30 | JRlinux | OK. that is with the unit on or off? |
| 16:31.30 | wayne | whichever |
| 16:33.51 | JRlinux | ok. reset and now turned back on. |
| 16:34.13 | wayne | allright, pop the card in and overse the light. will it go on, off, blink, explode? |
| 16:36.11 | wayne | huh somehow i attempted to say "observe" .. :) overse.. nce |
| 16:36.14 | wayne | niec. |
| 16:36.17 | wayne | I AHTE THIS KEYBAORD |
| 16:37.04 | JRlinux | uh oh. I left the card in during all this.... Was that wrong? |
| 16:38.24 | JRlinux | Should I remove the card and reset all over again? |
| 16:38.50 | wayne | mhmmmmmm |
| 16:38.59 | wayne | yes |
| 16:39.02 | JRlinux | ok |
| 16:39.45 | raduga | wayne: if it disagrees with you, don't eat it! |
| 16:40.17 | wayne | raduga: uh.. what? |
| 16:40.24 | JRlinux | "version 2.78 booting." |
| 16:43.15 | JRlinux | OK, finished the routine. Now turn it off, insert the wireless card, and turn it back on? |
| 16:45.04 | JRlinux | ?? |
| 16:45.37 | JRlinux | OK, wayne --finished the routine. Now turn it off, insert the wireless card, and turn it back on? |
| 16:47.16 | wayne | no just pop it in while it's on |
| 16:47.22 | JRlinux | OK |
| 16:47.34 | wayne | sorry if i'm slow, i'm at work so i'm not always in front of irc |
| 16:48.12 | JRlinux | wayne I appreciate your help. OK, it blinked once when I shoved it in. Then went dead. |
| 16:48.24 | wayne | okay |
| 16:48.25 | wayne | now |
| 16:48.31 | wayne | open a terminal window |
| 16:49.28 | JRlinux | I do not see an icon on the main window for terminal... Where the heck is it? |
| 16:49.43 | wayne | in utilities? |
| 16:51.40 | JRlinux | I do not know the meanings of the little icons atop and below. Damn, I hate this... |
| 16:53.04 | wayne | which icons? |
| 16:53.40 | JRlinux | I just clicked on called :"settings" and cannot cancel it. Sheesh. |
| 16:53.55 | wayne | it's not cancellable |
| 16:53.57 | wayne | it's a tab |
| 16:54.11 | wayne | it'S not a window that opened, it's just tabs in the qtopia desktop |
| 16:54.22 | wayne | you just toggle from tab to tab |
| 16:55.04 | JRlinux | OK, found the main menu again. |
| 16:56.21 | JRlinux | But where is the terminal?????? damn. |
| 16:56.58 | wayne | which tab are you looking at right now? |
| 16:57.18 | JRlinux | looking up and down the main menu. |
| 16:57.32 | wayne | decribe me what you see, from the top of the screen |
| 16:59.54 | JRlinux | Menu says "Applications" and I get Calendar, Address Book, ToDo List, Image Pad, Text Editor, Calculator,Email, Opera Browser, Clock, Media Player, Voice Recorder, City Time and ?? |
| 17:00.41 | wayne | ok, at the very top, where you see Applications, that's one of the available tabs |
| 17:00.50 | wayne | there should be "settings" and "utilities" and possibly "games" as well |
| 17:01.08 | koyote | see. aim and easy to access baclight controls are severely hurting my sharp rom usability |
| 17:01.08 | JRlinux | Yes, I have clicked into them... I can again... |
| 17:01.11 | wayne | click on the one that says "utilities" |
| 17:02.25 | koyote | i want aim |
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| 17:02.53 | JRlinux | None say that. I get settings, games,files,applications |
| 17:03.16 | wayne | JRlinux: and you can'T find "Termional" is any of them? |
| 17:03.26 | wayne | How about Qkonsole? can you see that somewhere? |
| 17:05.27 | JRlinux | nope |
| 17:05.40 | wayne | what kind of rom is this? |
| 17:06.32 | JRlinux | Sharp |
| 17:06.43 | koyote | huh.has anyone got gaim working in sharp rom? |
| 17:07.23 | subdue | yes, had it going |
| 17:07.30 | wayne | JRlinux: do you have a windows computer ? |
| 17:07.35 | JRlinux | yes |
| 17:07.37 | subdue | no biggie, followed something that was on the forums to get it going |
| 17:07.45 | wayne | JRlinux: SL-5500 ? |
| 17:07.51 | JRlinux | yes |
| 17:08.05 | wayne | you probably should update your ROM to the latest sharp rom |
| 17:08.11 | wayne | i can't see why you're missing terminal |
| 17:08.24 | wayne | it's like *the* only app to ever have at all |
| 17:08.46 | JRlinux | wayne, OK. Well, the terminal was there when I first turned the unit on after unwrapping the package. Somehow it seems to have disappeared. |
| 17:08.56 | JRlinux | I will contact the seller about it. Thank you. |
| 17:09.07 | wayne | JRlinux: bah just flash it: http://www.myzaurus.com/ROMupdate3.asp |
| 17:09.22 | JRlinux | I have never flashed anything.... |
| 17:09.44 | wayne | connect usb cradle, press go, wait, that's it |
| 17:09.50 | JRlinux | or anybody... |
| 17:09.57 | wayne | or you could maybe try to hack the qtopia menus to get back terminal |
| 17:10.13 | wayne | somewhere in /etc |
| 17:10.48 | JRlinux | wayne, thank you for your patience. I have to go make breakfast for my dogs. I will be back on tomorrow. |
| 17:11.01 | wayne | allright |
| 17:11.25 | wayne | my dog ate the brown dry balls of copmacted whatever |
| 17:12.20 | JRlinux | Yeah, mine too, but I have spoiled them by sharing my breakfast with them... And they get concerned about my skipping my breakfast. Bye. |
| 17:13.13 | wayne | :) |
| 17:13.35 | wayne | concerned as "We want eggs bacon sausages dammit! We want it now! BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK" |
| 17:28.26 | koyote | see, i sold the laptop |
| 17:29.43 | koyote | so this is important :) |
| 17:29.54 | wayne | btw |
| 17:30.07 | wayne | would you, or anyone else, know is there's a way to control the backlight more precisely? |
| 17:30.20 | wayne | i would love to have a setting between "off" and the 1st level of brightness |
| 17:31.08 | wayne | i wonder if it's a software limitation (qtopia app) or hardware limitation (the transistor driven output is controlled with only 2 or 3 bits) |
| 17:31.56 | koyote | i need a subdue feed |
| 17:32.24 | wayne | subdue feed ?! |
| 17:33.26 | wallabee | feed subdue before he dies |
| 17:34.32 | koyote | heh |
| 17:36.07 | koyote | hrm |
| 17:36.46 | koyote | controlkey? i never could figure out the control key in sharprom |
| 17:36.48 | koyote | or alt |
| 17:36.58 | wayne | fn + shift |
| 17:37.07 | wayne | mot letters work out as ctrl-that letter |
| 17:37.10 | wayne | except, x,c,v |
| 17:37.14 | wayne | fn+letter for these |
| 17:38.05 | koyote | oh |
| 17:39.04 | wayne | i think there's also: cancel THEN fn+number for alt combinations |
| 17:39.07 | wayne | not sure, i did it once |
| 17:39.24 | koyote | uh |
| 17:40.47 | koyote | hrm |
| 17:42.27 | koyote | man, that is annoying |
| 17:44.20 | koyote | okaaaaaaaaay, the gaim howto is wrong |
| 17:44.25 | koyote | but, lets see |
| 17:46.44 | koyote | okay, manually installing the libpng nd libopie and gaim comes up |
| 17:46.57 | koyote | no.... controls. no.....stuff |
| 17:47.00 | koyote | no menus |
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| 18:00.04 | koyote | wow |
| 18:00.12 | koyote | that is....broken |
| 18:08.37 | subdue | ? |
| 18:08.52 | subdue | control == function key |
| 18:08.59 | subdue | that's in the FAQ |
| 18:09.33 | subdue | when I use midnight commander, I press the cancel key, then function # for the F9, etc key |
| 18:11.10 | subdue | hrm. I'd better check if I documented that |
| 18:11.46 | subdue | yup. wrote that all on the pag |
| 18:11.47 | subdue | e |
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| 21:15.28 | benplaut | to restore the Sharp ROM from Trisoft's images, i need the NAND restore, correct? |
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| 21:26.50 | subdue | probably |
| 21:27.01 | subdue | that last post by trisoft was funny |
| 21:27.15 | subdue | anyway, you can't do squat without the power supply |
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| 21:29.40 | benplaut | i just tried it again... |
| 21:29.49 | benplaut | the power supply was in... |
| 21:29.54 | benplaut | did the same thing :P |
| 21:31.02 | benplaut | right now, i can't do anything |
| 21:31.21 | benplaut | the file to restore the backup is wel over my transfer limit |
| 21:31.33 | benplaut | and Hentges was my last hope, but it too is too big |
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| 21:35.35 | subdue | the sharp stuff is small |
| 21:35.38 | subdue | lots of tiny files |
| 21:36.19 | subdue | at least on the 6k it is |
| 21:36.39 | subdue | or, you could use winrar and split up the large files into tiny chunks |
| 21:36.49 | subdue | then use some unix pgm to put it back |
| 21:37.28 | benplaut | supposedly it's not going to work on a binary... |
| 21:37.30 | benplaut | but i dunno |
| 21:38.00 | subdue | http://www.trisoft.de/en_c1000howto.htm |
| 21:38.05 | benplaut | i got some very vaugue instructions in #ubuntu, but nothing that made much sense |
| 21:38.08 | benplaut | i know |
| 21:38.16 | benplaut | i've been puzzling over that |
| 21:38.37 | benplaut | the first one, it appears, is to restore the settings of the ROM, but the rom has to be there already |
| 21:38.38 | subdue | Please note the file size is about 67.9 MB. |
| 21:38.41 | benplaut | yeah |
| 21:38.48 | benplaut | and that one... |
| 21:38.56 | benplaut | my filesize limit is going to complain |
| 21:39.28 | benplaut | maybe i _should_ get a memory card reader :P |
| 21:39.33 | subdue | duh |
| 21:39.36 | benplaut | (i am, but haven't had a chance) |
| 21:39.53 | subdue | (notice how it keeps going back to that) |
| 21:40.27 | benplaut | yes, i notice |
| 21:40.55 | benplaut | maybe in a few days :( |
| 21:41.23 | benplaut | hmm |
| 21:41.31 | subdue | http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=General#Where_else_can_I_buy_a_Zaurus.3F |
| 21:41.39 | subdue | go to each site, see if you can find more info |
| 21:42.48 | benplaut | it may be possible to transfer a split-with-winrar file to the Z, and then recreate it on the same computer, using the camera as a reader, except manipulate the files already on the card |
| 21:42.54 | benplaut | might work... |
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| 21:44.19 | grem_work | Where can i find an ssh client for my zaurus, I tried http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=5 but the link to sourceforge is broken... any ideas? |
| 21:44.56 | subdue | I go back to the idea of amount of work ... |
| 21:45.16 | subdue | I'd rather spend the time learning something else, then visit that when it makes sense |
| 21:45.30 | benplaut | @me or at grem? |
| 21:45.31 | subdue | use killefiz to find something, then elsix to grab it |
| 21:46.40 | subdue | and ifyou dont find it there, give me a day and I'll make sure it's up |
| 21:47.06 | subdue | and if it's oz, dont expect it to be found there |
| 21:47.34 | subdue | just tested it. it downloads fine from elsix.org |
| 21:47.40 | grem_work | just to let you know, apparently there is a broken link and a working one... 2 listed openssh downloads... the sourceforge one is broken |
| 21:54.43 | subdue | well now, this is interesting |
| 21:54.45 | subdue | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050727-5141.html |
| 21:56.16 | benplaut | very innteresting |
| 21:56.34 | benplaut | Familiar on an iPod... |
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| 22:06.48 | raduga | well, I don't *really* see how that's a quantum leap from the existing state-of-linux-on-ipod |
| 22:07.00 | raduga | http://www.ipodlinux.org |
| 22:07.12 | raduga | which uses uclinux core. |
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| 22:07.40 | benplaut | well |
| 22:07.52 | raduga | sure, ARM922 probably has some compatibility with other ARM cores, but just how compatible is unclear |
| 22:07.54 | benplaut | it's a color screen, and ?more powerful? |
| 22:08.01 | raduga | and what the instruction set looks like is unclear. |
| 22:08.21 | benplaut | somebody will consider it a big deal :P |
| 22:09.03 | raduga | i.e. ARM7 runs fine. SA (arm1100) runs fine. ARM3 has problems. ARM5 has... other problems. |
| 22:09.47 | raduga | ARM-710 doesn't support the entire ARM7 instruction set, so ARM7-linux generally won't work on it too well. |
| 22:10.08 | benplaut | is there an ARM9 linux? |
| 22:10.21 | raduga | er. ARM710 = ARM7TDMI |
| 22:10.43 | benplaut | over my head... |
| 22:10.45 | raduga | benplaut: that's my question. I'm not sure the chipset is in wide use yet. |
| 22:11.20 | raduga | benplaut: the bottom line is, Linux on the Video iPod may be more of a curiosity than a useful system |
| 22:11.48 | raduga | "hey dood! I can run linux on my toaster! and it burns an outline of Tux into the bread!!" |
| 22:12.35 | raduga | benplaut: linux on the standard ipod is... mostly a curiosity. It uses ucLinux which is an evil ugly hack |
| 22:13.48 | raduga | you can think of it as something like, running linux in an emulator. |
| 22:16.53 | raduga | haha :( |
| 22:17.26 | raduga | ipodlinux reports John The Ripper runs, and some rudimentary sound apps, but no mp3 player! |
| 22:18.17 | raduga | I guess the ability to generate crypt hashes is of greater use to the community, than playing music :/ |
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| 22:22.24 | TheMaskedUnit | evening guys |
| 22:23.01 | wallabee | morning |
| 22:24.44 | TheMaskedUnit | 2:25pm here :) |
| 22:25.02 | EnceloAMD | 1:24am here :) |
| 22:25.03 | wallabee | it's afternoon then |
| 22:25.11 | wallabee | 7:25 here ^.^/ |
| 22:26.03 | TheMaskedUnit | in the morning? |
| 22:26.28 | wallabee | yes am sorry |
| 22:26.55 | TheMaskedUnit | wow, are you in east asia? |
| 22:27.17 | wallabee | right |
| 22:27.21 | wallabee | you should be in the far west then |
| 22:27.39 | TheMaskedUnit | Alaska :) |
| 22:28.10 | TheMaskedUnit | are they really limited to what wifi channels they can use over there? |
| 22:29.00 | wallabee | they are, but that's not a big deal |
| 22:29.59 | TheMaskedUnit | you would think it would be, with the population and all |
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| 22:31.00 | wallabee | there's only 3 non-overlapping channels anyway |
| 22:31.56 | TheMaskedUnit | wow |
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| 22:35.48 | wallabee | (er.. just for the record i've checked since something bugged me, and actually it's the US that are restricted not japan) |
| 22:35.53 | wallabee | (but doesn't matter anyway) |
| 22:37.12 | TheMaskedUnit | US restricted with what channels we can use, compared to Japan? (i thought it was the other way around) |
| 22:37.31 | wallabee | us have 1-11, jp has 1-13 (+14 for earlier implementations) |
| 22:41.02 | TheMaskedUnit | "What channels are available? The 802.11b standard defines a total of 14 frequency channels. The FCC allows channels 1 through 11 within the U.S.; whereas, most of Europe can use channels 1 through 13. In Japan, you have only one choice: channel 14" |
| 22:41.30 | TheMaskedUnit | --www.wifi-planet.com |
| 22:41.42 | wallabee | that's outdated |
| 22:42.50 | wallabee | in it's very earlier implementation back from 1999 japan could only use channel 14, as mentionned somewhere in this document: http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/download/802.11b-1999.pdf |
| 22:43.32 | wallabee | a later correction (2001) extended the range to channels 1-13, + 14 for backward compatibility -> http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/download/802.11b-1999_Cor1-2001.pdf |
| 22:44.44 | TheMaskedUnit | hmm that wifiplanet article was dated 2002 |
| 22:45.47 | wallabee | they probably don't care much about japan |
| 22:46.16 | wallabee | some o'reilly books on wifi contains this same error too |
| 22:46.51 | wallabee | we still have harder power throughput limitations however |
| 22:48.26 | TheMaskedUnit | Im missing out on 3 other channels (doh!) |
| 22:49.34 | TheMaskedUnit | thats a good idea actually, so your neighbors cant access those other three channels (here in the US) never thought of that, wardrivers would never see those other channels |
| 22:52.06 | zip| | http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000740051939/ <-- what u guys think of that? |
| 22:52.42 | wallabee | that i'm sick of crusoe |
| 22:53.36 | TheMaskedUnit | i cant fit that in my pocket are you crazy! |
| 22:54.02 | TheMaskedUnit | and its way overpriced |
| 22:57.07 | wallabee | zip: second look: no exceptional specs, not pretty, and not cheap |
| 22:58.29 | zip| | yeah i just took a glance and video out and wifi peeked intrest |
| 23:02.55 | TheMaskedUnit | if you've got $1100 to throw into a tablet, im not stoppping ya ;) |
| 23:03.50 | wallabee | tmu: well, it seems difficult to get one for less |
| 23:04.53 | raduga | dell came by at a vendor fair on campus a few weeks ago, and demoed their latest/greatest new tablets |
| 23:05.08 | raduga | i think the lightest of them was ~ 5 or 6 pounds |
| 23:05.12 | raduga | 5.75 |
| 23:05.15 | TheMaskedUnit | ouch |
| 23:05.20 | wallabee | how much's pound ? |
| 23:05.30 | raduga | wallabee 2.5kg |
| 23:05.50 | raduga | 5.75 pounds = 2.5kg |
| 23:06.01 | wallabee | aah, ok |
| 23:06.31 | wallabee | (not 1 pound = 2.5kg) |
| 23:07.18 | raduga | I pointed out to the rep, that this was... pretty ridiculous. he flashed his shiney teeth at me, and cheerfully explained that a 2.5-3kg tablet was what consumers were demanding |
| 23:07.42 | raduga | consumers were afraid that the smaller, thinner ones would be "underpowered" with a slow CPU or limited battery life |
| 23:07.58 | raduga | so he said he'd expect the dimensions and weight of tablets to... mostly increase over time |
| 23:08.07 | wallabee | these consumers don't look very smart |
| 23:08.13 | raduga | heh |
| 23:08.14 | benplaut | Dell- where the customers are our first priority (sorta) |
| 23:08.56 | wallabee | but i'm afraid he's not that wrong |
| 23:09.04 | wallabee | (about what consumers demand) |
| 23:09.09 | benplaut | true |
| 23:09.13 | raduga | I showed him my C1k. He thought it was a "neat toy" but didn't think you could get any work done on one. |
| 23:09.42 | benplaut | and then you put a live CD in the demo, and showed how much more work can be done? :P |
| 23:10.13 | benplaut | brb |
| 23:10.21 | raduga | ben: I didna want to touch their icky tablets |
| 23:10.32 | raduga | I did touch them. It wasn't pleasant. |
| 23:11.00 | raduga | hrm. |
| 23:11.14 | raduga | when Apple gets back(?) into the pda/tablet market, I just might get one |
| 23:11.29 | raduga | its not so much that I love Apple's style personally, |
| 23:11.49 | raduga | but they tend to overengineer, and build systems that... work. |
| 23:11.57 | wallabee | raduga: same opinion |
| 23:12.28 | wallabee | meanwhile, I think sony's doing some good work too |
| 23:13.17 | raduga | well, I don't mind their hardware, but Sony software bits haven't really worked for me |
| 23:13.33 | raduga | I was considering a UX40/50 at the time I got my C760 |
| 23:14.03 | raduga | but the things they did to PalmOS were sucky, and I found the device cumbersome and annoying |
| 23:14.14 | raduga | though, backlit *keys* are nice |
| 23:14.23 | wallabee | raduga: exact opposite opinion |
| 23:14.25 | raduga | embedded camera is nice |
| 23:14.29 | raduga | wallabee: interesting. |
| 23:15.34 | wallabee | I really think sony clié's lineup had very good improvements over basic PalmOS |
| 23:15.53 | wallabee | targetting user-usability |
| 23:15.59 | wallabee | like apple does |
| 23:16.03 | raduga | I've used several different PalmOS machines, but the Clies in general (and the newer Clies in particular) didn't seem to do the job as well as Palm/other clones |
| 23:17.21 | wallabee | well, I think the UX50 was a failure, didn't like it |
| 23:17.36 | raduga | okay, maybe it was just the UX50 :/ |
| 23:17.47 | raduga | (its the only Clie I've really spent time with) |
| 23:17.53 | wallabee | no there were other wrong |
| 23:18.29 | wallabee | since they always build a lot of products in their various lineups, there's always a not-so-good part |
| 23:19.00 | raduga | I liked individual features of the UX50. I just didn't like the sum total of all them put together. |
| 23:19.38 | raduga | anyway, I like my Zauruses better :) |
| 23:19.44 | wallabee | ^.^ |
| 23:19.56 | wallabee | I wanted to buy a th55 last month |
| 23:20.01 | raduga | er. have liked. |
| 23:20.15 | raduga | I liked my C760 so much that I sold it to pgas :/ |
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| 23:20.45 | wallabee | bough a zaurus instead since I already had a clié |
| 23:20.58 | raduga | zaurus is a special beast |
| 23:21.04 | raduga | it has quirks |
| 23:21.08 | wallabee | i don't regret it since new experiences are always profitable |
| 23:21.21 | raduga | it has warts (plenty) |
| 23:21.24 | wallabee | but these are two different things |
| 23:21.29 | wallabee | yes, and yes |
| 23:21.36 | raduga | it has a keyboard, and it has linux, and these alone are almost enough to make up for any other failing |
| 23:21.47 | wallabee | and absolutely true |
| 23:23.29 | wallabee | this makes me remember |
| 23:23.44 | wallabee | the latest sony device I've bought was running on linux |
| 23:23.58 | wallabee | but with a nice looking software interface |
| 23:24.14 | wallabee | sony's look and feel |
| 23:24.34 | wallabee | (but linux' feel in regard to responsiveness) |
| 23:24.56 | wallabee | (which is why i dumped it a few days later) |
| 23:46.58 | benplaut | linux is fast :/ |