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| 03:15.56 | koyote | eaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh |
| 03:16.20 | benplaut | was that the sound of your Z dying? |
| 03:18.12 | subdue | sound of him forgetting things gain |
| 03:18.15 | subdue | +a |
| 03:19.17 | koyote | no |
| 03:19.37 | koyote | trying to decide between pdaxrom and sharp |
| 03:20.07 | subdue | what does pdaXrom give you that sharp doesn't? |
| 03:20.12 | koyote | and an extra eargh for no working resume on the 720 |
| 03:21.15 | koyote | how about a terminal that doesnt suspend su and vi when you do poweroff and poweron? |
| 03:21.27 | koyote | sharp rom sucketh at that |
| 03:22.54 | subdue | shrug. minor issue for me |
| 03:24.02 | koyote | it"s pretty bad for me, i do a lot in concole |
| 03:24.24 | subdue | all you have to do is % to get it alive again |
| 03:24.51 | koyote | sometimes it locks up terminal |
| 03:25.01 | koyote | or konsole, or whatever |
| 03:25.11 | subdue | never happened to me yet |
| 03:25.32 | subdue | it's an inconveniece at times, yes, but not that terrible |
| 03:26.15 | koyote | x, of course |
| 03:26.24 | koyote | <- emacser |
| 03:26.26 | subdue | I've installed xqt. |
| 03:26.30 | subdue | works fine for me |
| 03:26.44 | subdue | the japanese have a nice port of all that |
| 03:26.48 | koyote | i havent got it happy yet, but i my try again |
| 03:26.55 | subdue | just follow the page I gave you |
| 03:27.02 | subdue | do it in that order and you'll be fine |
| 03:28.51 | koyote | ya, i will try it |
| 03:30.47 | koyote | man, i need a better bike for my wife |
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| 05:11.38 | raduga | koyote: hm. I'd say, "you could have the one I got for my wife" except that, in the end she didn't want a bike, so I didn't get her one. :/ |
| 05:12.13 | raduga | i think she decided she'd rather have a car. (though, at the moment, neither she nor I have one of those, either) |
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| 05:49.54 | koyote | oi |
| 05:50.30 | koyote | raduga: we have been carfrei for almost two years |
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| 06:20.19 | ljp | hi |
| 06:20.32 | chrget | Hi ljp :) |
| 06:28.53 | ljp | just waking up? |
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| 06:40.33 | Tomoe | How are you gentlemen |
| 06:42.23 | benplaut | hmm... the usual |
| 06:42.32 | benplaut | hardly a gentleman, but anyway :P |
| 06:44.10 | Tomoe | heh =) |
| 06:44.21 | Tomoe | I just woke up and it's almost 4PM |
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| 06:57.08 | ljp | weeeee.. zaurus trolling on /. |
| 06:57.15 | subdue | carfrei? |
| 06:57.38 | Tomoe | lol ljp |
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| 07:19.49 | Tomoe | yeah |
| 07:21.35 | ljp | naaa |
| 07:21.47 | ljp | usual /. banterings |
| 07:25.01 | Tomoe | yeah, just look at all the ircers =P |
| 07:25.03 | Tomoe | hey |
| 07:25.05 | Tomoe | chrget, |
| 07:25.57 | Tomoe | is Zten on C3k/3k1 any different than a regular one? |
| 07:25.59 | subdue | chrget: what were you using on the webcam server side? |
| 07:26.43 | subdue | dictionary |
| 07:28.07 | Tomoe | dictionary app |
| 07:28.18 | Tomoe | for epwing format dictionaries |
| 07:28.37 | chrget | subdue, VLC, what else? ;) |
| 07:28.50 | Tomoe | I'll get C3k dictionary files but I've read somewhere that they might not work with regular Zten |
| 07:28.51 | Tomoe | ah |
| 07:28.55 | subdue | chrget: that part I figured |
| 07:28.56 | Tomoe | back2roots |
| 07:29.00 | Tomoe | ermgoogling |
| 07:29.03 | subdue | chrget: it's the driver part I'm not sure about |
| 07:29.19 | subdue | Tomoe: I'm curious on the 3k dictionary too |
| 07:29.33 | subdue | mostly the eng<->jap part |
| 07:29.39 | subdue | I hear it's good |
| 07:29.42 | Tomoe | yeah |
| 07:29.49 | Tomoe | but the jap-jap is also awesome |
| 07:29.56 | chrget | Driver part ... ? |
| 07:29.56 | subdue | oh? |
| 07:30.01 | Tomoe | for example, it has kanji stroke orders |
| 07:30.06 | subdue | chrget: to get vlc to recognize the webcam itself? |
| 07:30.08 | Tomoe | and such |
| 07:30.18 | subdue | tome: what's the app that it uses? |
| 07:30.25 | Tomoe | Zten |
| 07:30.28 | subdue | hmm |
| 07:30.50 | subdue | saw that on the sharp page, but had no clue which was what |
| 07:31.00 | chrget | If the webcam has a video driver, not a problem. |
| 07:31.16 | subdue | is that zten 1.6.2? |
| 07:31.23 | chrget | If of course there is only a driver that produces stills, you're obviously doomed. |
| 07:31.58 | subdue | chrget: I have a creative webcam thing lying around |
| 07:32.08 | subdue | chrget: so I was wondering if it was worth playing with or not |
| 07:32.58 | chrget | Hmmm, I really wouldn't know |
| 07:33.14 | chrget | If you can do video capture with it, probably. |
| 07:33.22 | Tomoe | oh oh sources |
| 07:33.23 | Tomoe | http://developer.ezaurus.com/sl_j/source/source_dl_mmjisho.htm |
| 07:33.26 | Tomoe | well |
| 07:33.32 | Tomoe | that means no prob =) |
| 07:33.35 | subdue | Tomoe: yeah, those are the ones I saw |
| 07:33.49 | subdue | wanted to make sure 1.6.2 was the right version |
| 07:33.56 | subdue | and if it was worth playing with |
| 07:34.18 | Tomoe | subdue, you have any good dict files? |
| 07:34.26 | subdue | I use zbedic |
| 07:34.45 | subdue | which is great. but there is no eng->japanese file |
| 07:35.13 | Tomoe | there is |
| 07:35.20 | Tomoe | hold on |
| 07:35.26 | subdue | it's only 1 way |
| 07:35.34 | subdue | http://sourceforge.net/projects/bedic/ |
| 07:35.45 | subdue | japanese to english |
| 07:35.49 | subdue | not the other way around |
| 07:37.06 | Tomoe | oh |
| 07:37.07 | Tomoe | yeah sorry |
| 07:37.15 | Tomoe | I got it mixed with it-en dicts |
| 07:37.35 | subdue | which is why I'm interested in the 3k version of course :) |
| 07:38.04 | Tomoe | hm |
| 07:38.13 | Tomoe | why don't you get edict in fpw format? |
| 07:38.27 | Tomoe | and use it with zten |
| 07:38.29 | Tomoe | ? |
| 07:38.43 | subdue | haven't tried them yet |
| 07:39.31 | Tomoe | let me dig up teh linkz |
| 07:39.45 | subdue | I'm basing my thoughts on meanie's pages |
| 07:41.12 | subdue | http://www.users.on.net/~hluc/myZaurus/custom.html |
| 07:41.55 | Tomoe | http://www.vector.co.jp/download/file/data/writing/ff369320.html |
| 07:41.58 | subdue | "Zdict is the dictionary that comes with the Zaurus. It seems to be almost the same with Zten which is mentioned a lot on the internet. Personally I think Zdict is better than Zten." |
| 07:42.25 | Tomoe | well |
| 07:42.32 | subdue | personally, I have no clue |
| 07:42.38 | Tomoe | you should try by yourself and not let somebody other's preferences guide you |
| 07:42.39 | subdue | I can only go by what others say |
| 07:42.40 | Tomoe | as for me |
| 07:42.42 | Tomoe | I use them both |
| 07:42.48 | subdue | both zdict and zten? |
| 07:42.50 | Tomoe | yeah |
| 07:42.56 | Tomoe | <Tomoe> http://www.vector.co.jp/download/file/data/writing/ff369320.html |
| 07:42.57 | subdue | what can you say about each? |
| 07:42.57 | Tomoe | anyways |
| 07:42.59 | Tomoe | on this page |
| 07:43.14 | Tomoe | the first link is the download link |
| 07:43.15 | Tomoe | well |
| 07:43.24 | subdue | what am I downloading btw? |
| 07:43.27 | Tomoe | I'd say zten is more versatile |
| 07:43.36 | Tomoe | edict, a jap-eng dict |
| 07:43.39 | subdue | 19.7M :) |
| 07:43.39 | Tomoe | in fpwing format |
| 07:43.42 | subdue | ok |
| 07:43.46 | Tomoe | for use with zten |
| 07:43.48 | Tomoe | yeah |
| 07:43.51 | Tomoe | that's one of the things |
| 07:44.05 | Tomoe | dictionaries in fpwing format are a bit bigger than those in dic.dz |
| 07:44.20 | subdue | ok |
| 07:44.24 | Tomoe | subdue, you study japanese? |
| 07:44.43 | subdue | well, when I was younger :) |
| 07:44.49 | Tomoe | haha |
| 07:44.50 | Tomoe | =) |
| 07:45.03 | subdue | I've forgotten more than I've learned? is that the saying? |
| 07:45.26 | Tomoe | do you have the zten installed? |
| 07:45.30 | Tomoe | yeah |
| 07:45.31 | subdue | not yet |
| 07:45.34 | Tomoe | you can say it like that |
| 07:45.41 | Tomoe | you found it precompiled for download? |
| 07:46.08 | subdue | yes, 1.6.2 |
| 07:46.13 | subdue | if it's the right one |
| 07:46.14 | Tomoe | good |
| 07:46.22 | subdue | is that the version to use? |
| 07:46.33 | Tomoe | you can use any version, don't be so jumpy =P |
| 07:46.44 | Tomoe | anyways |
| 07:46.52 | subdue | ok. just had no idea is all |
| 07:46.58 | Tomoe | when you download the dictionary file |
| 07:47.11 | Tomoe | create a directory named 'dict' on your card |
| 07:47.18 | Tomoe | and extract the dict inside |
| 07:47.22 | subdue | ok. |
| 07:47.29 | Tomoe | so you get a /dict/edict/* |
| 07:47.31 | Tomoe | structure |
| 07:47.48 | Tomoe | and then fire up zten |
| 07:47.52 | subdue | ok |
| 07:47.55 | Tomoe | which Z do you have? |
| 07:48.02 | subdue | 6k |
| 07:48.07 | Tomoe | =) |
| 07:48.08 | Tomoe | ok |
| 07:48.13 | Tomoe | good luck with this, it's not too hard |
| 07:48.19 | subdue | ok |
| 07:48.25 | Tomoe | I'm back to reading, if you need anything, highlight me |
| 07:48.30 | subdue | ok. thanks |
| 07:49.32 | Tomoe | meh |
| 07:49.33 | Tomoe | http://www.wbcd.org/computing/zaurus/part_12.html |
| 07:49.41 | Tomoe | here's a step-by-step tutorial |
| 07:49.45 | Tomoe | , subdue |
| 07:49.56 | subdue | ok |
| 07:50.13 | Tomoe | oh yeah, you'll need the kakasi package too I think |
| 07:50.13 | subdue | this is my contribution btw http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Applications_that_run_on_the_6000L/Sharp_ROM |
| 07:50.18 | subdue | ok |
| 07:50.31 | subdue | I have 2.3.4-2 |
| 07:50.35 | subdue | that I downloaded |
| 07:50.57 | subdue | ah yes, I saw that page |
| 07:51.20 | subdue | my conclusion was that there were too many choices :) |
| 07:51.44 | subdue | well, there was another page like that |
| 07:51.51 | subdue | with a lot of dictionary choices |
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| 07:54.28 | subdue | seems strange that it needed card/dict/edict/edict/data (2 edicts) |
| 08:13.55 | subdue | Tomoe: "Create an folder named 'dict' on your SD-Card. Inside this folder create a new folder named 'edict' and copy the files 'catalogs','readme.pkg' and 'edict.txt' inside" |
| 08:14.08 | subdue | Tomoe: there was no "readme.pkg and "edict.txt" in the file |
| 08:14.12 | Tomoe | it's ok |
| 08:14.17 | Tomoe | follow my instructions |
| 08:14.25 | Tomoe | you have two folders inside the edict folder right? |
| 08:14.39 | subdue | yes |
| 08:14.56 | Tomoe | data and gaiji? |
| 08:14.57 | subdue | installed zten + kakase |
| 08:15.03 | subdue | gaiji? |
| 08:15.05 | subdue | no gaiji |
| 08:15.23 | Tomoe | ? |
| 08:15.26 | Tomoe | wtf |
| 08:15.36 | Tomoe | ok |
| 08:15.38 | Tomoe | it's cool |
| 08:15.39 | Tomoe | so |
| 08:15.43 | subdue | ? there was no gaiji in there |
| 08:15.48 | Tomoe | ok ok it |
| 08:15.50 | Tomoe | 's ok |
| 08:15.52 | Tomoe | never mind |
| 08:16.04 | Tomoe | so |
| 08:16.09 | Tomoe | on your sd/cf card |
| 08:16.09 | subdue | I created the directories as specified on that page |
| 08:16.12 | Tomoe | you have |
| 08:16.31 | Tomoe | /dict/edict/edict/data/ directory |
| 08:16.32 | subdue | it's /mnt/card/dict/edict/edict/data |
| 08:16.37 | Tomoe | cool |
| 08:16.45 | subdue | file is honmon |
| 08:16.48 | Tomoe | cool |
| 08:16.53 | Tomoe | what's the filesize btw |
| 08:16.55 | Tomoe | of honmon |
| 08:17.07 | subdue | 72800K |
| 08:17.35 | Tomoe | sheat |
| 08:17.39 | Tomoe | lol |
| 08:17.46 | Tomoe | wtf it's giant |
| 08:17.49 | Tomoe | ok |
| 08:17.50 | Tomoe | so |
| 08:17.53 | Tomoe | that's ok |
| 08:17.53 | Tomoe | now |
| 08:17.55 | Tomoe | fire up |
| 08:17.57 | Tomoe | zten |
| 08:18.08 | subdue | ok it sees it |
| 08:18.13 | subdue | (catalogs was the key) |
| 08:18.39 | Tomoe | ok |
| 08:18.53 | subdue | some font issues but I think I can deal with that |
| 08:19.04 | Tomoe | well |
| 08:19.18 | Tomoe | you can change the font easily |
| 08:19.22 | Tomoe | within zten |
| 08:19.31 | subdue | ok |
| 08:19.37 | subdue | I'm seeing if I can move it to my cf now |
| 08:19.43 | subdue | I had it on my sd |
| 08:19.53 | subdue | (as per the page) |
| 08:20.15 | Tomoe | it doesn't matter, you can hold it on both |
| 08:20.23 | subdue | cool. I'd prefer the cf |
| 08:20.33 | subdue | want to keep my sd free for zgcc |
| 08:21.05 | Tomoe | anyways there's a variety of dicts for zten |
| 08:21.21 | Tomoe | there's even wikipedia packed into that dictionary format heh |
| 08:21.45 | Tomoe | also, CIA World Factbook |
| 08:21.54 | Tomoe | http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA037273/img/screen_wfb5.gif |
| 08:22.41 | subdue | cute |
| 08:22.48 | subdue | I think I'll like it |
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| 08:34.24 | subdue | chrget: yeah, but I'm using the sharp rom |
| 08:34.31 | subdue | hmm... I should try that file |
| 08:34.37 | subdue | might be smaller since it's compressed |
| 08:35.14 | subdue | everyone likes pdaxrom and oz |
| 08:35.24 | subdue | (I think it's silly, but it's what they want) |
| 08:36.34 | chrget | Heh, OZ wouldn't be that silly if it actually worked and wasn't just the product of Open Source masturbation |
| 08:36.57 | subdue | oz was painful for me |
| 08:37.05 | subdue | thankfully I only used it on the 5500 |
| 08:37.13 | subdue | if I used it on the 6k I'd be ...not happy |
| 08:37.14 | wallabee | chrget: you're mean) |
| 08:37.24 | chrget | Not really |
| 08:37.42 | wallabee | aah, my parrot stole me a keyboard key |
| 08:37.45 | subdue | there's only a few things I can't use b/c it's not oz |
| 08:37.55 | subdue | and I have a heck of a lot of stuff I can use b/c it's sharp |
| 08:38.03 | subdue | my fav is zbedic of course (0.9.6) |
| 08:38.22 | subdue | Tomoe: 72800K vs 14857K |
| 08:38.43 | Tomoe | lol |
| 08:39.04 | chrget | As long as developers openly state that they make decisions based on what is 'fun' for them (since the poor buggers all have day jobs where they are forced to do such unfun things), I will certainly not stop referring to OZ as being on the same level as masturbation |
| 08:39.30 | Tomoe | well I guess this be a newer version *shrug* |
| 08:39.54 | Tomoe | subdue, would it be a problem for you to dcc me the bigger one, I'm trying to download it from that page now but it just stopped |
| 08:41.07 | wallabee | chrget: i have the same iz ;glè7 n '"! |
| 08:41.15 | wallabee | i have the same feeling about it |
| 08:41.36 | subdue | Tomoe: I can try, but it's not worth it from what I'm seeing |
| 08:41.44 | subdue | the lag is horrible with the compressed file |
| 08:42.03 | Tomoe | subdue, I don't mind |
| 08:42.05 | Tomoe | ok |
| 08:42.06 | Tomoe | hold on |
| 08:42.26 | wallabee | subdue: you're talking about compressed epwing dictionnaries ?-`çià |
| 08:42.51 | subdue | *.ebz? |
| 08:42.59 | subdue | it's really really slow |
| 08:43.09 | subdue | crawls when trying to type anything |
| 08:43.19 | subdue | not sure how to uncompress it |
| 08:43.20 | wallabee | I made several tests once and didn't see any unbearable lag on any of my units |
| 08:43.27 | wallabee | even at max compression |
| 08:43.28 | subdue | wallabee: really? |
| 08:43.31 | wallabee | just use ebzip |
| 08:43.37 | subdue | ebzip? |
| 08:44.10 | wallabee | i mean squeez sorry |
| 08:44.15 | subdue | wow. it's really unusable |
| 08:44.28 | wallabee | http://ebsnap.lkj.jp/ <- get the "ebutils" package |
| 08:44.34 | subdue | ok |
| 08:45.27 | subdue | hrm. not z stuff |
| 08:47.05 | wallabee | (er, sorry it was really ebzip after all -> http://www.sra.co.jp/people/m-kasahr/eb/) |
| 08:47.14 | subdue | ok |
| 08:47.17 | wallabee | 'have to clean my bookmarks |
| 08:47.46 | subdue | in this case ebunzip? |
| 08:48.31 | wallabee | right |
| 08:48.44 | wallabee | but both commands are linked |
| 08:48.50 | subdue | ok |
| 08:49.33 | wallabee | you got some user friendly interfaces too, but didn't worked for me -> http://homepage.mac.com/kzseki/SA/palm/ws/dcj.html |
| 08:49.56 | subdue | bleh. palm stuff! |
| 08:50.57 | wallabee | it's only a java frontend bundled with the ebzip binary |
| 08:52.26 | subdue | Tomoe: ah, found the right file |
| 08:52.36 | wallabee | you said you had lag issues with a dictionnary file ? could you telle me which one, i'd like to try too |
| 08:52.47 | subdue | edict_en.fpw.tar.gz |
| 08:52.54 | Tomoe | subdue, erm? |
| 08:53.00 | Tomoe | oh |
| 08:53.01 | subdue | the problem one was edict_en.fpwebz.tar |
| 08:53.33 | wallabee | the one kindly compiled by this hloeffler guy ? |
| 08:53.38 | wallabee | I have no problem with it |
| 08:53.38 | subdue | yes |
| 08:53.43 | subdue | wait |
| 08:53.48 | subdue | no, that was from the ftp site |
| 08:53.50 | Tomoe | subdue has problems with the one downloaded from |
| 08:54.01 | Tomoe | http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA037273/ |
| 08:54.19 | Tomoe | however I cannot download it from there atm so I'm asking subdue to dcc it to me |
| 08:54.23 | wallabee | subdue: it's the same |
| 08:54.37 | subdue | no, the ftp site |
| 08:54.48 | subdue | ftp://ftp.cc.monash.edu.au/pub/nihongo/edict_en.fpwebz.tar |
| 08:54.58 | Tomoe | meh |
| 08:55.23 | Tomoe | ok |
| 08:55.34 | Tomoe | but please send me the one downloaded from japanese site |
| 08:55.42 | subdue | ? |
| 08:55.45 | wallabee | tomoe: i could download the file with no problem, 500kB/s |
| 08:55.48 | subdue | that's the problem one I downloaded |
| 08:55.57 | subdue | you want me to send it to you? |
| 08:56.03 | Tomoe | the one from |
| 08:56.05 | Tomoe | http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA037273/ |
| 08:56.06 | Tomoe | ? |
| 08:56.09 | Tomoe | I want that one |
| 08:56.15 | subdue | oh, never tried that one yet |
| 08:56.15 | Tomoe | I can't get it off the page |
| 08:56.34 | ljp | *yawn* |
| 08:56.36 | wallabee | tomoe: there's a lot on this page, you're speaking about the "new" compile for edict ? |
| 08:56.37 | subdue | which one do you want? |
| 08:56.47 | Tomoe | http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA037273/ |
| 08:56.48 | Tomoe | http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA037273/ |
| 08:56.54 | Tomoe | the one you got from here wtf |
| 08:56.57 | subdue | I have the link, but there's many on there |
| 08:57.18 | Tomoe | http://www.vector.co.jp/soft/dl/data/writing/se369320.html |
| 08:57.20 | Tomoe | http://www.vector.co.jp/soft/dl/data/writing/se369320.html |
| 08:57.26 | subdue | ok |
| 08:57.53 | subdue | (havent tried that one yet, hang on) |
| 08:58.38 | subdue | hmm... that's the same file you told me about earlier |
| 08:58.46 | subdue | I can email that one if you like |
| 08:58.56 | subdue | the ed0503m1.zip |
| 08:58.59 | Tomoe | yeah, the same file I told you about |
| 08:59.00 | Tomoe | yeah |
| 08:59.02 | Tomoe | can you dcc? |
| 08:59.06 | subdue | I can try |
| 08:59.10 | Tomoe | ok |
| 08:59.17 | Tomoe | send to the other nick |
| 08:59.29 | subdue | other nick? |
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| 09:00.30 | Tomoe | ah |
| 09:00.33 | Tomoe | wrong button |
| 09:01.22 | wallabee | subdue: I'm a little lost now, so do you still have a problem with a dictionnary file ? |
| 09:01.43 | Tomoe | lol |
| 09:01.52 | Tomoe | it's because subdue is a bit lost himself =P |
| 09:02.50 | subdue | wallabee: yes, the edict_en.fpwebz.tar one |
| 09:03.06 | wallabee | subdue: I have it loaded on my zaurus and it works fine |
| 09:04.48 | subdue | wallabee: dunno. all I can say is when I was typing "house" as a search word, it crawled on each letter typed |
| 09:05.04 | subdue | wallabee: when I used the uncompressed file, it popped up right away |
| 09:05.45 | subdue | Tomoe: just downloaded that file from that link, was able to download it |
| 09:06.25 | Tomoe | hm |
| 09:06.30 | Tomoe | doesn't work for me for some reason |
| 09:06.31 | subdue | hrm. holy bible. to grab or not to grab? |
| 09:06.37 | Tomoe | maybe he's blocking .jp access |
| 09:06.39 | Tomoe | =/ |
| 09:07.02 | wallabee | tomoe: don't know exactly why yet, but the file you're trying to get looks better than the previous one |
| 09:07.17 | subdue | Tomoe: I can email it if you like |
| 09:07.26 | subdue | or try re downloading |
| 09:07.35 | Tomoe | ok |
| 09:07.37 | Tomoe | email |
| 09:07.47 | Tomoe | how big is it compressed? |
| 09:08.03 | subdue | 19.7M |
| 09:08.08 | Tomoe | hmmm |
| 09:08.14 | subdue | dunno if you can accept that size |
| 09:08.22 | Tomoe | gmail accepts up to 15 megz |
| 09:08.29 | Tomoe | can you split it in 2? |
| 09:08.36 | subdue | uh ... I dont think so |
| 09:08.49 | subdue | it's mostly just honmon |
| 09:08.54 | subdue | not much to split |
| 09:09.09 | Tomoe | no no |
| 09:09.11 | Tomoe | split the archive |
| 09:09.21 | subdue | can we really do that? |
| 09:09.26 | subdue | never tried spliting a single file |
| 09:09.35 | Tomoe | what os are you using atm? |
| 09:10.42 | wallabee | tomoe: that's ok, i'll upload |
| 09:11.27 | subdue | uploading would be fine too |
| 09:13.20 | Tomoe | haha |
| 09:13.21 | Tomoe | ok |
| 09:13.36 | subdue | wallabee: are you uploading to him? |
| 09:13.42 | Tomoe | sorry for troubling you gents |
| 09:13.45 | wallabee | subdue: i was but the upload crashed |
| 09:13.46 | Tomoe | brb |
| 09:13.53 | Tomoe | off2get zaurus' cd |
| 09:14.04 | subdue | Tomoe: I need an email to send it to |
| 09:14.18 | wallabee | so i'm uploading no more here |
| 09:15.13 | Tomoe | wallabee, ? |
| 09:15.33 | subdue | ? |
| 09:16.13 | subdue | "yes, I'm confused now" |
| 09:16.15 | wallabee | tomoe: the upload server cut at 75% |
| 09:16.24 | Tomoe | lol |
| 09:16.28 | Tomoe | sry |
| 09:21.09 | wallabee | tomoe: done, grab it here -> http://wallabee2.free.fr/epwing/ed0503m1.zip |
| 09:21.36 | subdue | ah, that'd be faster than my emailing it |
| 09:21.50 | subdue | shall I stop the email? |
| 09:22.06 | wallabee | subdue: i've just compared again both dictionnaries loading time on my ztenv, I really don't notice anything wrong with the hloeffer version |
| 09:22.17 | subdue | wallabee: dunno, maybe it's me |
| 09:22.32 | wallabee | oh, sorry for the upload |
| 09:22.42 | subdue | chrget knows it was me last time! |
| 09:22.56 | wallabee | subdue: the other one has much improved indexes however |
| 09:23.13 | subdue | which one? |
| 09:24.10 | wallabee | the one tomoe's desesperately tries to get |
| 09:24.31 | subdue | ok |
| 09:24.35 | subdue | that might explain it |
| 09:24.59 | Tomoe | wallabee, yeah, that one is indexed by jis not by 50kana |
| 09:25.15 | subdue | Tomoe: I'm going to stop the email for the moment |
| 09:25.22 | Tomoe | however I want to check is the increase in size due only to the change of indexing |
| 09:25.24 | subdue | if you still need it, I'll email it to you |
| 09:25.30 | Tomoe | or there are additional words |
| 09:25.33 | wallabee | tomoe: not only that but |
| 09:25.45 | Tomoe | subdue, it's ok, I'm wgetting it from wallabee |
| 09:25.59 | subdue | let me know if you still cant get it |
| 09:26.09 | wallabee | I found this kind of answer was not very helpful from the older edict -> http://wallabee.free.fr/forumjapon/e-jisyo/edict_2.png |
| 09:27.00 | wallabee | the new one has a distinct entry for each words in the reverse side |
| 09:28.49 | Tomoe | yeah |
| 09:28.54 | Tomoe | that's what's been bugging me too |
| 09:28.54 | Tomoe | =) |
| 09:29.02 | wallabee | ^ ^ |
| 09:29.09 | benplaut | w00t! third time's a charm! |
| 09:29.18 | benplaut | successfully installed OZ Opie! |
| 09:29.25 | subdue | what's been bugging you? |
| 09:29.27 | benplaut | (after 2 corrupt downloads) |
| 09:29.29 | wallabee | but.. I think you got a much better dictionnary |
| 09:29.32 | wallabee | didn't you tried yet ? |
| 09:30.07 | Tomoe | tried koujien so far |
| 09:30.07 | Tomoe | =) |
| 09:31.11 | Tomoe | lol wallabee I'm browsing your pics |
| 09:31.12 | Tomoe | =P |
| 09:31.21 | Tomoe | kinokuniya heh |
| 09:31.27 | Tomoe | I've bought a couple of books there too |
| 09:31.40 | wallabee | how, these were not linked |
| 09:31.50 | wallabee | oh, you mean these ones |
| 09:32.22 | chrget | Oh, that is rich ... "(* We kindly ask you not to consider this letter to be Spam. E-mailing is not forbidden on the territory of our country)" |
| 09:32.31 | Tomoe | lol |
| 09:32.32 | Tomoe | hahahahah |
| 09:32.35 | subdue | ? |
| 09:32.45 | wallabee | chrget: nice ^^ |
| 09:33.23 | Tomoe | wallabee, is there any way to get the dictionaries out of denshijishos? |
| 09:33.43 | Tomoe | lol |
| 09:34.00 | subdue | chrget: I really have little clue to what tomoe and wallabee are saying |
| 09:34.01 | wallabee | tomoe: I think this may be hard |
| 09:34.16 | Tomoe | me2 |
| 09:34.27 | wallabee | but I don't care either |
| 09:34.31 | Tomoe | subdue, what is troubling you? |
| 09:34.31 | chrget | Sorry, can't help you there, never touched a dictionary |
| 09:34.52 | wallabee | tomoe: i'd just grab from here if i need -> http://wallabee.free.fr/forumjapon/e-jisyo/yodobashi_jisyo_1_500.jpg |
| 09:35.39 | Tomoe | I'm a freeloader =P |
| 09:35.39 | subdue | kinokuniya? denshijishos? |
| 09:35.55 | subdue | hmm... the ed0503m1.zip is both ways, right? |
| 09:36.25 | Tomoe | yeah |
| 09:36.36 | Tomoe | subdue, kinokuniya is a big japanese bookstore chain |
| 09:36.47 | Tomoe | denshijisho, well, you can look it up in your dictionary |
| 09:36.53 | Tomoe | but it means electronic dictionary |
| 09:37.00 | subdue | ah. ok |
| 09:37.31 | subdue | now it makes more sense |
| 09:37.38 | subdue | a LOT more sense |
| 09:38.30 | chrget | Hmmm, better start thinking about buying new disks ... they're getting to be half full |
| 09:41.46 | subdue | this is getting interesting |
| 09:45.08 | wallabee | i've put an ebzip'd version of the "new edict" dictionnary, which takes only 20MB on the card instead of 70 -> http://wallabee2.free.fr/epwing/ed0503m1_ebz.zip |
| 09:45.14 | wallabee | subdue: could you try on your device ? |
| 09:45.19 | subdue | sure |
| 09:46.20 | subdue | now meanie's dictionary section makes sense |
| 09:47.45 | wallabee | ? |
| 09:48.04 | subdue | he talks about the various dictionaries |
| 09:49.14 | wallabee | oh, ok |
| 09:49.21 | wallabee | "meanie" |
| 09:49.32 | subdue | yeah |
| 09:49.56 | Tomoe | heh |
| 09:50.17 | subdue | I'm a little confused |
| 09:50.55 | wallabee | what's the matter ? |
| 09:51.13 | subdue | these other dictionaries, I'm not sure at what level they go in |
| 09:51.18 | subdue | they each have "catalogs" |
| 09:51.33 | wallabee | that's the base dir |
| 09:52.13 | subdue | so /mnt/card/dict is the main base? |
| 09:52.34 | wallabee | yes, put your ed0503m1/<catalogs>.. in |
| 09:53.36 | Tomoe | come on chrget, this is fun too =P |
| 09:53.48 | wallabee | I mean like /mnt/card/dict/ed0503m of course |
| 09:53.55 | subdue | haha, cute. you have a jpg of the directories |
| 09:54.00 | chrget | Maybe so, but it sounds way too complicated for me :) |
| 09:54.31 | Tomoe | it isn't actually |
| 09:54.33 | subdue | you have ed0503m1_ebz, which I assume is ok, too, right? |
| 09:54.44 | Tomoe | there's one open standard for dictionaries |
| 09:54.49 | Tomoe | which is most common in use |
| 09:54.52 | Tomoe | on zaurii |
| 09:56.11 | chrget | Besides, I'll think about it once there's a greek dictionary ;) |
| 09:57.04 | Tomoe | I'm sure there is one =) |
| 09:57.50 | Tomoe | greek as in modern greek or? |
| 09:57.57 | chrget | Yeah |
| 09:58.06 | Tomoe | uhoh |
| 09:58.12 | Tomoe | =) |
| 09:59.50 | subdue | Strong's Greek Bible Dictionary |
| 09:59.58 | subdue | sword-strongs-greek_1.3_noarch.ipk |
| 10:00.46 | chrget | Interesting definition of 'modern' you got there, subdue ;) |
| 10:01.05 | subdue | well, that was the first thing that popped out :) |
| 10:02.23 | subdue | http://freedict.de/Download_Table_View.shtml |
| 10:02.26 | Tomoe | gents, which irc app would you recommend? |
| 10:02.40 | subdue | I like irssi |
| 10:03.13 | chrget | I'll have to look at that sometime |
| 10:03.33 | Tomoe | yeah, irssi is cool |
| 10:03.37 | Tomoe | how about gui ones? =) |
| 10:03.47 | subdue | they have greek to german |
| 10:04.02 | subdue | Tomoe: the gui ones dont give enough lines for my taste |
| 10:04.17 | subdue | you lose too much real estate to the gui |
| 10:04.18 | jdh41 | irssi |
| 10:04.28 | jdh41 | it runs in screen |
| 10:04.36 | Tomoe | ah well |
| 10:04.43 | Tomoe | I think I'll stick with irssi too |
| 10:04.51 | Tomoe | however I'm too used to xchat I think =) |
| 10:05.19 | Tomoe | anybody tried centericq? |
| 10:05.37 | chrget | subdue, you should try installing that one |
| 10:05.43 | jdh41 | its a nice ICQ/MSN/AIM client |
| 10:05.47 | subdue | which one? |
| 10:05.51 | jdh41 | but it doesn't grab me as an IRC client |
| 10:05.52 | chrget | -rw-r--r-- 1 chris users 879 2002-06-16 11:03 gre-deu.tar.gz |
| 10:06.04 | chrget | Any questions? ;) |
| 10:06.07 | subdue | nah, I dont know german or greek |
| 10:06.46 | Tomoe | yeah |
| 10:06.47 | Tomoe | jdh41, |
| 10:06.55 | subdue | wallabee: it comes up fast |
| 10:07.01 | Tomoe | I think I'll continue with irc client + bitlbee combo |
| 10:07.16 | Tomoe | however it seems I'll have to switch from xchat heh |
| 10:07.18 | chrget | In other words, just because a page claims it exists and references a file doesn't necessarily mean that it's really so |
| 10:08.10 | Tomoe | lol |
| 10:08.20 | Tomoe | well kinda hard to have two monitors on a zaurus =P |
| 10:08.33 | jdh41 | yeah, sadly |
| 10:08.45 | subdue | wallabee: i'm only puzzles as to the date - 6/10/05? |
| 10:08.49 | jdh41 | however they alk run over ssh and inside screen, so its not that much of a problem |
| 10:09.04 | Tomoe | jdh41, tried bitlbee? |
| 10:09.08 | jdh41 | no |
| 10:09.35 | Tomoe | irc server that acts as an IM gateway |
| 10:09.38 | Tomoe | neat idea |
| 10:09.49 | jdh41 | I keep meaning to try an IRC proxy thingy at some stage |
| 10:10.07 | Tomoe | I like it very much |
| 10:10.11 | jdh41 | but I generally just leave IRC on all the time anyhow |
| 10:10.27 | Tomoe | so much that I actually _started_ to use IM only after trying it heh |
| 10:10.46 | Tomoe | that's not IM-only |
| 10:11.14 | jdh41 | I'll have to play with it |
| 10:11.55 | Tomoe | you can use public servers too if you want to check it |
| 10:11.57 | Tomoe | anyways |
| 10:12.08 | Tomoe | anyone can recommend a good voip provider? |
| 10:22.04 | Tomoe | http://www.ba-stuttgart.de/~it03009/files/zaurus/ |
| 10:24.03 | subdue | most of those are on sourceforge |
| 10:24.30 | subdue | not sure on the sep11 one |
| 10:25.37 | subdue | 0.9.6 btw, handles the wikipedia a lot better |
| 10:26.21 | subdue | I'm also not sure on 'textbook' |
| 10:27.56 | Tomoe | subdue, |
| 10:28.07 | Tomoe | where'd you get irssi ipk? |
| 10:28.21 | Tomoe | I mean |
| 10:28.28 | Tomoe | argh |
| 10:28.31 | Tomoe | google > * |
| 10:28.46 | subdue | http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Applications_that_run_on_the_6000L/Sharp_ROM |
| 10:28.53 | subdue | I have the link on my page |
| 10:29.06 | subdue | his website has been defaced, but his files are still intact |
| 10:30.08 | Tomoe | hm |
| 10:30.25 | Tomoe | I see that you give the advice to uncheck the zoom option for kanjinirvana |
| 10:30.29 | Tomoe | how does it look for you then? |
| 10:30.36 | subdue | if you want to read his page, I recreated it here http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Mulesex.port5.com |
| 10:30.45 | subdue | it reads fine |
| 10:31.12 | Tomoe | hm =/ |
| 10:31.38 | subdue | you can leave it checked if you like |
| 10:31.42 | subdue | it's just as good |
| 10:34.28 | Tomoe | I'd prefer to have it unchecked |
| 10:34.41 | Tomoe | cuz when I switch to other app which is in vga mode it takes some time |
| 10:35.11 | subdue | that's fine |
| 10:35.12 | chrget | Just had to tinker 10 minutes to get my tv schedule download script working again |
| 10:35.15 | subdue | either way works ok |
| 10:37.14 | subdue | it mostly depends on the size of the fonts you want |
| 10:40.35 | Tomoe | hm |
| 10:40.36 | Tomoe | http://conversationswithmyself.com/maps/tracker/gmapTracker.html |
| 10:40.47 | Tomoe | this would be k-rad with zaurus and a gps card |
| 10:40.52 | Tomoe | how much do they cost anyway? |
| 10:42.01 | subdue | gps devices? |
| 10:42.09 | subdue | between $100-$200 |
| 10:42.18 | subdue | the fancier ones cost more, but I wouldnt bother |
| 10:42.31 | Tomoe | well the size is all that matters to me |
| 10:42.36 | Tomoe | heh now I sound like a woman |
| 10:42.36 | chrget | Actually you can find them on eBay for under $100 |
| 10:42.42 | Tomoe | no no |
| 10:42.48 | Tomoe | <- no intarnet shopping |
| 10:42.58 | subdue | chrget: the problem is deciding which one |
| 10:43.07 | Tomoe | well actually I'll check yahoo.jp auctions |
| 10:43.15 | Tomoe | ok there are more projects |
| 10:43.16 | Tomoe | http://gmap.glenmurphy.com/ |
| 10:43.16 | subdue | I cant even decide on the brand yet |
| 10:43.23 | subdue | qpegps works pretty good |
| 10:43.32 | subdue | try it (I have the info on my page) |
| 10:43.43 | subdue | I've been testing it without a gps device |
| 10:46.40 | Tomoe | yeah, this would need an internet connection all the time |
| 10:48.20 | Tomoe | subdue, brief me in on the getmaps |
| 10:48.24 | Tomoe | how well does it work |
| 10:49.27 | subdue | works great |
| 10:49.31 | subdue | just install it |
| 10:49.37 | subdue | without it you can't grab maps |
| 10:49.51 | subdue | (which is why they keep saying that qpegps doesnt work) |
| 10:49.53 | Tomoe | and how precise do the maps get? |
| 10:50.28 | subdue | that's up to you |
| 10:50.42 | subdue | the higher the res, the more maps you grab |
| 10:50.58 | Tomoe | no no |
| 10:51.10 | subdue | as precise as you make it |
| 10:51.12 | Tomoe | on maptuit |
| 10:51.27 | Tomoe | ok I'll check it |
| 10:51.32 | subdue | I can't compare it to the actual gps b/c I dont have a device |
| 10:51.45 | subdue | however, I have put in coordinates and they work well |
| 10:52.31 | Tomoe | hm |
| 10:52.40 | Tomoe | http://maps.google.com/maps?q=chofu,+japan&ll=35.670999,139.523642&spn=0.004786,0.008307&hl=en |
| 10:52.52 | subdue | google maps btw, arent that accurate |
| 10:52.57 | Tomoe | can those maps go to this detail? |
| 10:53.20 | subdue | probably more |
| 10:53.25 | subdue | depends if the maps are available |
| 10:53.25 | Tomoe | good |
| 10:54.18 | subdue | it's not the program that's the key, but the sources of the maps |
| 10:54.26 | subdue | http://gps.pazu.info/ |
| 10:54.31 | subdue | try that to see how it'd look |
| 10:55.35 | subdue | on the right side, he has some japan places |
| 10:56.06 | Tomoe | yeah I know it's not the program I read that the getmaps gets the maps from maptuit |
| 10:56.12 | subdue | as long as it's in png, it's cool |
| 10:57.07 | subdue | you can even use google maps if you can 1) know the scale 2) have it in png and 3) know the coordinates |
| 10:57.13 | subdue | it doesnt care what you use |
| 10:57.45 | subdue | http://map.yahoo.co.jp/pl?nl=33.5833&el=130.4&sc=3&width=900&height=900 |
| 10:58.02 | subdue | in that case, it shows the scale, the coordinates are listed, and the download would be png |
| 10:58.05 | subdue | so it'd work |
| 10:58.48 | subdue | (example I grabbed from the bottom) |
| 11:04.53 | Tomoe | heh |
| 11:04.58 | Tomoe | I'll play around with it |
| 11:05.45 | subdue | strange. zten doesnt have some very simple words |
| 11:06.04 | Tomoe | it's not about zten, it's about the dict files |
| 11:06.05 | Tomoe | hehe |
| 11:06.06 | Tomoe | =P |
| 11:06.11 | Tomoe | cool |
| 11:06.15 | Tomoe | gps cards |
| 11:06.18 | Tomoe | 8500 yen |
| 11:06.20 | Tomoe | that'd be |
| 11:06.27 | subdue | I thought it goes both ways? |
| 11:06.39 | Tomoe | 76 dollars |
| 11:08.15 | subdue | how come it doesn't know japanese? |
| 11:08.34 | Tomoe | ? |
| 11:08.36 | Tomoe | hm |
| 11:08.49 | Tomoe | from which language are you translating? |
| 11:09.12 | subdue | well, I thought it went both ways (japanese<->english) |
| 11:09.18 | Tomoe | it does |
| 11:09.26 | Tomoe | now answer =P |
| 11:09.35 | subdue | ue |
| 11:09.39 | subdue | comes up blank |
| 11:10.10 | Tomoe | ue |
| 11:10.16 | Tomoe | hm |
| 11:10.21 | Tomoe | tried entering in kana? |
| 11:10.26 | subdue | nope |
| 11:11.20 | subdue | it understand kanji |
| 11:11.27 | subdue | guess I need some fonts for it though |
| 11:12.09 | subdue | ok, I can deal with this |
| 11:12.10 | subdue | thanks |
| 11:12.52 | Tomoe | sry |
| 11:12.55 | Tomoe | it works for me |
| 11:13.02 | Tomoe | I'll check which font I am using later |
| 11:13.04 | Tomoe | anyays |
| 11:13.15 | subdue | it's ok, I'll edit the zten.conf |
| 11:13.16 | Tomoe | it seems none of these maps is as precise as gmaps |
| 11:13.28 | subdue | you can use the gmaps if you like |
| 11:13.32 | subdue | just have to know the 3 things |
| 11:28.30 | Tomoe | it seems usb gpses work fine |
| 11:28.37 | Tomoe | that's good, I'd prefer that I think |
| 11:30.31 | subdue | go serial |
| 11:30.35 | subdue | uses less power is my guess |
| 11:34.29 | Tomoe | hm |
| 11:34.36 | Tomoe | is serial functional on new zaurii? |
| 11:35.41 | subdue | http://www.serialio.com/products/adaptors/ZThinCable.htm |
| 11:36.48 | Tomoe | notice that they don't mention c1k =) |
| 11:38.14 | Tomoe | good |
| 11:38.19 | Tomoe | sharp's original cable works |
| 11:39.57 | subdue | & |
| 11:40.09 | Tomoe | howevr low voltage |
| 11:43.06 | wallabee | subdue: it should work with the default lcfont |
| 11:43.48 | wallabee | you may want to try the ayu or shinonome fonts as they look much better with zten |
| 11:44.37 | wallabee | oh, you're using zten, not ztenv ? |
| 11:46.06 | Tomoe | what's the difference? |
| 11:46.42 | wallabee | I didn't tried zten yet so I can't tell |
| 11:48.44 | wallabee | however the latest snapshop of ztenv was released three days ago while the latest zten has two years now |
| 11:49.25 | wallabee | subdue: this may be why looking up in compressed dictionary files was so long |
| 11:51.40 | Tomoe | hm |
| 11:51.48 | Tomoe | heywtf |
| 11:51.59 | Tomoe | wallabee, what is that map app you called |
| 11:52.05 | Tomoe | *you bought called |
| 11:53.27 | wallabee | oh, it was mobile map navi |
| 11:53.58 | wallabee | homepage: http://www.spacetown.ne.jp/map/ |
| 11:54.23 | wallabee | review: http://mobile.j-speed.net/windowsce/linuxzaurus/mapnavi.htm |
| 11:55.34 | wallabee | i've checked and it seems the only commercial map app available |
| 11:56.04 | wallabee | as the one from alpsmap seems to run on MI-series only -> http://www.alpsmap.co.jp/consumer/pcsw/mobile/ |
| 11:57.24 | Tomoe | it seems cool |
| 11:57.26 | wallabee | the CD edition (same as the one preinstalled on C3100 devices) comes with detailed maps for the cities of tokyo, osaka and nagoya -> http://www.spacetown.ne.jp/map/cd.html |
| 11:57.40 | Tomoe | you are able to use it with a gps device? |
| 11:57.51 | wallabee | and much less detailed (1/200,000) maps for the rest of the country |
| 11:58.11 | wallabee | we may be able to download additional maps with a paid service |
| 11:58.34 | wallabee | it seems so, but I didn't tried as gps devices are very expensive (i think) |
| 11:58.53 | Tomoe | *haven't =) |
| 11:58.54 | wallabee | moreover my CF slot is already filled with wifi |
| 11:58.55 | Tomoe | well |
| 11:59.02 | Tomoe | I think I'll get |
| 11:59.07 | Tomoe | a serial or an usb one |
| 11:59.17 | wallabee | this might be troublesome to carry |
| 11:59.26 | Tomoe | why? |
| 11:59.48 | wallabee | because of cables, and serial adaptater if any ? |
| 12:00.32 | Tomoe | uhm |
| 12:02.57 | wallabee | tomoe: the 1.6.2 branch, as the dev 1.9.2 sometimes have trouble running |
| 12:03.14 | Tomoe | lol |
| 12:03.18 | Tomoe | ok downloading that |
| 12:03.40 | wallabee | but the latest popup applet running on 1.9.2 seems quite cool -> http://ebsnap.lkj.jp/zaurus/images/scrn001.png |
| 12:04.32 | wallabee | setup of ztenv is quite troublesome with it's handling of dictionnaries groups |
| 12:05.04 | Tomoe | heh |
| 12:05.11 | Tomoe | what additional packages do I need? |
| 12:05.34 | wallabee | the required are zlib-eb and eb-4.2 |
| 12:05.51 | wallabee | ebsup too will be useful for the kenkyusha |
| 12:06.17 | wallabee | and if you still have some space try the shnm16 (which they recommend) or the ayu18 (which i recommend) fonts |
| 12:06.51 | wallabee | I think you won't need kakasi if you only plan to read EPWING dics |
| 12:07.38 | wallabee | http://wallabee.uu-link.net/drafts/Zaurus.html <- I wrote some additional instructions on my setup somewhere here, at around 25% of the page |
| 12:08.01 | Tomoe | oh cool |
| 12:08.03 | Tomoe | http://ebsnap.lkj.jp/zaurus/ztenv-c3000_001_none.ipk |
| 12:08.13 | Tomoe | with this you can use c3k's built in dics with it |
| 12:09.07 | wallabee | one feature i find neat is it's "core" group used incrementally looked up as soon as you input and the main group lookup up only when you hit search |
| 12:09.56 | wallabee | this way I can have answers coming from the common dictionnary and fine tune the thorough research with my additional groups setup |
| 12:10.38 | Tomoe | cool |
| 12:10.47 | wallabee | tomoe: but that only runs on c3000 right ? thus not that useful i think |
| 12:10.56 | Tomoe | hm |
| 12:11.02 | Tomoe | why would it run only on c3k? |
| 12:11.35 | wallabee | because it's written ? |
| 12:11.41 | Tomoe | lol |
| 12:12.02 | Tomoe | it's probably written because on no other system you can find those dictionaries |
| 12:12.08 | Tomoe | well except c3k1 |
| 12:12.11 | Tomoe | so |
| 12:12.17 | Tomoe | I guess it'd work on c1k too |
| 12:12.19 | wallabee | google said the c3000 dictionnary app (zdict) use some libraries not available on other units |
| 12:12.33 | wallabee | partly because it's dictionnaries are encrypted |
| 12:12.34 | Tomoe | hm |
| 12:12.37 | Tomoe | yeah |
| 12:12.47 | Tomoe | some headers related to security |
| 12:12.49 | Tomoe | well |
| 12:12.55 | Tomoe | either this |
| 12:13.00 | wallabee | well, maybe you'll have more luck with your c1000 device |
| 12:13.05 | Tomoe | maybe |
| 12:13.08 | Tomoe | I'll let you know |
| 12:13.14 | wallabee | yes please |
| 12:13.23 | Tomoe | sir yes sir |
| 12:13.28 | wallabee | ^o^ |
| 12:13.34 | Tomoe | lol |
| 12:13.35 | Tomoe | ok |
| 12:13.40 | Tomoe | brb off2get that zaurus cd finally |
| 12:13.45 | wallabee | i'm not willing to insist but you should really try the kenkyusha |
| 12:14.01 | wallabee | you know you can read it on windows with the very good "ebwin" reader ? |
| 12:14.49 | wallabee | http://www31.ocn.ne.jp/~h_ishida/EBPocket.html (there's a xp built on the same page too) |
| 12:19.50 | Tomoe | I know man |
| 12:19.51 | Tomoe | =) |
| 12:20.17 | Tomoe | now |
| 12:25.44 | Tomoe | subdue, |
| 12:25.48 | Tomoe | you here? |
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| 13:00.40 | Tomoe | ok gents by |
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| 15:10.45 | koyote | wheeeeeee |
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| 15:57.12 | koyote | n |
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| 15:59.25 | wallabee | p |
| 15:59.42 | wayne | é |
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| 17:08.20 | TaZ| | hello |
| 17:08.39 | TaZ| | someone have a GPS on Zaurus? |
| 17:11.33 | jdh41 | I think its been done, don't know by whom however. |
| 17:12.08 | TaZ| | ^^ |
| 17:12.12 | TaZ| | I have a GPS |
| 17:12.20 | TaZ| | but it doesn't works |
| 17:30.26 | subdue | koyote: I've used gaim. didnt care for it for irc |
| 17:30.42 | subdue | koyote: lost too much real estate |
| 17:32.10 | wayne | as far as im/irc goes, i think a good solution is to have an outside linux server, on which you run irssi + screen + bitlbee (or naim) and just ssh to it |
| 17:32.14 | wayne | just a thought. |
| 17:32.47 | wayne | liunx is great because we can do the same thing like 200 different ways :) |
| 17:32.55 | subdue | I prefer irssi, yes |
| 17:33.41 | subdue | never tried bitlbee |
| 17:33.57 | wayne | bitlbee integrates all IM clients into irc |
| 17:34.09 | wayne | sofrom within irssi, your Im buddies are just nicks into channels |
| 17:34.10 | subdue | I see |
| 17:34.20 | subdue | cute |
| 17:34.20 | wayne | i must say that it entirely OMG ROXORZ LOLOLOL |
| 17:34.32 | subdue | is there an ipk? |
| 17:34.53 | wayne | i run all that on my linux server at home, on which I simply SSH to wether i'm at work, at home or on the road with my zaurus |
| 17:35.08 | subdue | ok |
| 17:35.10 | wayne | that's perhaps the whole point of having such a setup, "one central place, clients from everywhere" |
| 17:35.23 | wayne | i just resume the same session from anywhere i connect to |
| 17:35.31 | wayne | i could be finishing this sentence once i get home if i want to |
| 17:35.39 | wayne | that's the beauty of screen |
| 17:36.35 | subdue | I'll have to think about it |
| 17:37.03 | subdue | there's issues regarding the servers |
| 17:37.05 | wayne | if you want to give it a shot, I could give you an account on my box with which you could test the whole irssi/bitlbee/screen setup |
| 17:37.25 | wayne | or you could even use my server for all I care, i gave several accounts to friends over the past few years |
| 17:38.19 | subdue | (reading about bitlbee now) |
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| 17:41.37 | subdue | cute. |
| 17:41.58 | subdue | my brain wants to get back to the conversation they were talking about the dictionaries |
| 17:42.55 | subdue | I'll revisit this in a few .... want to make sure I'm not missing something in the dictionary conversation last night! |
| 17:49.54 | subdue | augh. seems I did miss a lot |
| 17:54.55 | subdue | wallabee: might want to add <a href=" "/> to the code so the links can be clickable on the page |
| 17:55.21 | subdue | wallabee: yeah, had installed ztenv, not zten (didnt know about ztenv) |
| 17:56.26 | benplaut | is there a way to split up initrd.bin into two files, rejoin them in Opie, and then still usccessfully flash? |
| 17:56.49 | subdue | try #openzaurus ? |
| 17:56.58 | benplaut | my camera, AKA SD reader, keeps complaining of insfficient memory to complete the operation |
| 17:57.09 | benplaut | good point :P |
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| 18:14.09 | subdue | wayne: bitlbee seems useful. looks like they even did a yahoo thing |
| 18:15.11 | wayne | subdue: yes, they can connect to icq with the 2000a protocol (server-side buddy list), MSN (server side buddy list as well), yahoo and jabber (server side buddy list) |
| 18:15.20 | wayne | it works very well, i've been using this setup for years |
| 18:16.12 | wayne | at work, i have a very stealthy setup :) iuse PieTTY which is a plugin for PuTTY which makes it transparent, borderless |
| 18:16.23 | wayne | and i use an irssi theme that makes my chat window look like bash shell |
| 18:16.45 | subdue | cute |
| 18:18.50 | wayne | yes, i hide in my my code window :) |
| 18:19.14 | subdue | haha |
| 18:19.46 | wayne | want to see? i have a screenshot nearby |
| 18:20.06 | subdue | sure |
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| 18:24.38 | wayne | http://laurent.ca/temp/stealhy_irc.jpg |
| 18:24.41 | wayne | here we are |
| 18:26.32 | subdue | so this is a screen session into your xp box? |
| 18:27.14 | wallabee | wayne: wheee, that's stealth! |
| 18:27.17 | subdue | oh, there it is |
| 18:27.22 | wayne | in my XP box, i run PieTTY. That's an SSH client |
| 18:27.25 | subdue | haha cute |
| 18:27.33 | wayne | that ssh client connects to my home server, running a screen session with irssi+bitlbee in it |
| 18:27.37 | wayne | :) |
| 18:27.38 | subdue | can't even tell unless you look carefully |
| 18:27.44 | wayne | yeah! |
| 18:27.56 | wallabee | wayne: your PieTTY thing seems very interesting too, thanks for the tip |
| 18:27.56 | wayne | sometimes i make the window a bit bigger, or smaller, according to the needs |
| 18:28.38 | wayne | wallabee: sure thing :) It's chinese-based though, so lots of "hacks" for their codepage and keyboard stuff... it entirely craps my french accents but i don't mind |
| 18:29.46 | wallabee | wayne: that's especially why I'd like to try it but.. oh, too bad if latin1 doesn't work here again |
| 18:30.33 | wayne | wallabee: heh... there's a weird bug, when you load it up, the default codepage makes the text black on black and no way to change that, but if you go in the menys and pick unicode or something, it pops back on |
| 18:30.37 | wayne | weird stuff |
| 18:31.15 | wallabee | wayne: this can be annoying |
| 18:31.34 | wallabee | I don't have any windows machine to try right now anyway |
| 18:31.34 | wayne | not really, once you'ev saved your sessioon you never had to do it again |
| 18:31.43 | wallabee | oh, ok |
| 18:31.44 | subdue | http://www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov/kscpao/videos/metafiles/ksc_072605_rtf_launch.ram |
| 18:31.55 | subdue | (the launch!) |
| 18:32.33 | wallabee | subdue: you're right for the links, but can't help right now |
| 18:32.43 | wayne | subdue: thanks, i've been wanting to see it today but couldn't spare the time to find it |
| 18:32.52 | wayne | although, the webside appears to be down at the moment |
| 18:33.06 | wallabee | launch of.. ? |
| 18:33.21 | subdue | the shuttle silly |
| 18:34.03 | subdue | wayne: the website is probably slammed |
| 18:34.21 | wayne | they should put bittorrent feeds :) |
| 18:34.52 | subdue | you can try nasa tv |
| 18:35.11 | wayne | i don't have a tv at work |
| 18:35.13 | wayne | :) |
| 18:35.24 | wayne | but cnn.omc offers it so i'm seeing the awful ads |
| 18:35.35 | subdue | nasa tv is via the internet |
| 18:35.38 | wayne | oh |
| 18:36.03 | subdue | saw the deep impact stuff via that |
| 18:36.35 | subdue | need real player or quicktime though |
| 18:36.51 | subdue | http://www.nasa.gov/ram/35037main_portal.ram |
| 18:37.15 | wayne | t'sokay i saw the cnn clip |
| 18:37.51 | wayne | ahh okay |
| 18:37.58 | wayne | busy workers |
| 18:38.11 | wayne | i'm at working, watching people work |
| 18:38.13 | subdue | (subdue): http://www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov/kscpao/videos/metafiles/ksc_072605_rtf_launch.ram <= this was the launch though |
| 18:38.16 | wayne | best waste of my time ever |
| 18:38.18 | subdue | just a clip |
| 18:40.15 | subdue | I have to admit, that's a pretty stealthy window. the boss wouldnt know you were even on the internet |
| 18:40.36 | wayne | yeah |
| 18:40.45 | wayne | i tweaked the stuff to a very good setup |
| 18:41.12 | subdue | it doesnt buffer the conversation, does it? |
| 18:41.23 | subdue | not like the bnc stuff right? |
| 18:41.46 | wayne | yes it does |
| 18:41.50 | wayne | it buffers for like, weeks |
| 18:41.55 | subdue | really? |
| 18:41.58 | subdue | didnt know that |
| 18:42.06 | wayne | it's irssi that buffers |
| 18:42.12 | wayne | i just pageup to whenever |
| 18:42.15 | subdue | oh ....! |
| 18:42.25 | subdue | I thought it was screen that was doing that |
| 18:42.28 | wayne | since this is a session running in my server at home, it's *always* there, it buffers everything, ever. |
| 18:42.31 | subdue | ok, that makes sense |
| 18:42.41 | wayne | well screen has a buffer too, considerably smaller |
| 18:42.59 | wayne | but it works for linear stuff, not ansi-drawn |
| 18:43.04 | subdue | ok |
| 18:43.06 | wayne | like a long cat/ls/grep |
| 18:43.18 | wayne | with screen you can go back at the beginning of it even if it's thousands of lines |
| 18:43.39 | subdue | ok |
| 18:44.14 | subdue | LOL |
| 18:44.28 | subdue | I was opening a wiki page on pietty |
| 18:44.35 | subdue | and it's all in ...chinese? |
| 18:44.38 | wayne | yes :) |
| 18:44.53 | wayne | fish for the link for the .exe file and you'll be fine |
| 18:45.02 | wayne | the program has english menus |
| 18:45.05 | subdue | I thought, oh cool, you found an englihs page of it |
| 18:45.16 | wayne | nope :) I guessed most of how it works |
| 18:45.33 | subdue | what version are you using? |
| 18:45.45 | wayne | 0.3.27 |
| 18:45.57 | subdue | ok |
| 18:46.12 | wayne | oh yeah, clickable urls :) That's another very niec feature of that program |
| 18:46.22 | wayne | i was so sick of copy/pasting from irssi to my browser |
| 18:46.26 | subdue | heh |
| 18:46.43 | subdue | ah, he has english pages |
| 18:46.44 | subdue | http://w.csie.org/~piaip/pietty/download |
| 18:46.56 | benplaut | ARGG! |
| 18:47.14 | wayne | the english stuff is half-complete half-outdated half-wrong (that's 1.5 i know) |
| 18:47.43 | benplaut | the camera won't accept big files, the Z won't connect to a jumpdrive, it won't connect to the desktop (either one), and it won't accept files via IR |
| 18:47.51 | benplaut | what a mess |
| 18:47.58 | wayne | benplaut: which model? |
| 18:48.03 | benplaut | C1000 |
| 18:48.03 | wayne | and what os currently? |
| 18:48.10 | subdue | he wants opie |
| 18:48.13 | benplaut | OZ/Opie |
| 18:48.17 | benplaut | no, i want pdaXrom |
| 18:48.18 | wallabee | benplaut: so far so good then |
| 18:48.21 | wayne | you don't have wifi? |
| 18:48.33 | benplaut | but i have to flash to OZ first, to get the partitioning |
| 18:48.42 | benplaut | wayne: nope... being shipped ATM |
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| 18:52.29 | benplaut | so i have it for 2 days |
| 18:52.34 | subdue | I connect fine to my desktop |
| 18:52.39 | benplaut | Windows? |
| 18:52.42 | wayne | that she stole? |
| 18:52.49 | subdue | plus I synch up with a palm desktop too |
| 18:52.49 | benplaut | yes |
| 18:52.52 | benplaut | from me |
| 18:53.00 | wayne | family :) |
| 18:53.14 | benplaut | i let her borrow my camers, and them she decided that the SD card was part of the camera |
| 18:53.20 | subdue | people bash the sharp rom, but there are a lot of advantages I think |
| 18:53.52 | wallabee | subdue: we all agree on that |
| 18:53.58 | benplaut | it's too much PDA like for me... |
| 18:54.13 | subdue | shrug |
| 18:54.24 | benplaut | i bought a Z to be a mini-laptop :) |
| 18:54.29 | wayne | either is good, depends on what you want your unit for |
| 18:54.36 | benplaut | agreed |
| 18:54.36 | subdue | I use it as a mini laptop |
| 18:54.43 | wayne | but yeah me too, mini-laptop |
| 18:55.00 | subdue | everything I'm doing on it is geared in that direction |
| 18:55.04 | wayne | it's just that we feel thatthere is a general rjection of the sharp based rom by the users just because it feels yucky |
| 18:55.21 | wayne | even though no one actually bothers to see what they can achieve with it |
| 18:55.34 | subdue | yes! |
| 18:55.49 | subdue | it depends where you want to struggle with |
| 18:55.54 | wayne | haha |
| 18:56.05 | subdue | oz to me was too much of a struggle to get to this point |
| 18:56.30 | subdue | I'd rather the os to be stable so I can concentrate on the other aspects |
| 18:56.42 | benplaut | for me, the last straw was that the Files tab couldn't access the filesystem, and Tree!Explorer, although a great app, couldn't access it with su |
| 18:56.57 | subdue | eh? |
| 18:57.02 | subdue | sure you can |
| 18:57.10 | benplaut | kept erroring out |
| 18:57.29 | subdue | "execute with root privilege" |
| 18:57.38 | benplaut | ... |
| 18:57.48 | wayne | the "Files" tab is not meant to be a system wide tool. there's a truckload of great file explorers for that |
| 18:57.50 | benplaut | $ su |
| 18:58.01 | subdue | oh, is that what he wanted? |
| 18:58.03 | benplaut | $ treeexplorer (i forget what it was) |
| 18:58.13 | subdue | pth. I use kconsole or whatever |
| 18:58.28 | wayne | File Manager is good for me |
| 18:58.28 | subdue | then midnight commander to move around |
| 18:58.47 | subdue | qconsole even |
| 18:58.57 | benplaut | installing packages was hell, since i didn't have any networking |
| 18:58.59 | subdue | and su |
| 18:59.07 | subdue | pth. that's easy |
| 18:59.12 | subdue | just get a card reader if you're stuck |
| 18:59.20 | benplaut | i had to manually transfer to a jumpdrive, then manually mount, then hope that i had the edpendencies |
| 18:59.21 | subdue | and pop the cf/sd card in it |
| 18:59.30 | subdue | that's b/c you didnt get a card reader |
| 18:59.34 | benplaut | i know |
| 18:59.40 | subdue | that's like $20 |
| 18:59.47 | benplaut | i didn't have a card, either :P |
| 19:00.08 | benplaut | that's $20 that is considered by a higher power to be "Wasted" |
| 19:00.10 | subdue | even if that's all the case, I connect easily with my desktop via the sharp apps |
| 19:00.29 | wayne | i don't mean to raise the debate, but it seems that your dislike of sharp rom is because of things you couldn't do right beause you didn't have the right tools for the job, not because it was sharp rom to begin with. Just a thought. |
| 19:00.31 | subdue | zaurus file transfer |
| 19:00.41 | wayne | subdue: windows machines only... |
| 19:00.52 | subdue | I've heard people connect via linux too |
| 19:00.54 | wayne | unless there's something for linux i didn't know of? |
| 19:00.57 | wayne | oh cool then |
| 19:01.02 | subdue | there's howtos on that |
| 19:01.05 | wayne | in any case: wifi :) |
| 19:01.09 | benplaut | true |
| 19:01.12 | subdue | wifi will solve that too |
| 19:01.19 | wayne | pda should not have wires. it's pointless, purposeless |
| 19:01.24 | wayne | i like my portables portable. |
| 19:01.27 | subdue | anyway, that's all unrelated totally to the rom |
| 19:01.49 | wayne | benplaut: what if you spliut the files in half and rejoin them on the zaurus to write on your SD card? |
| 19:02.01 | subdue | and you can justify the card reader by saying it's for the camera |
| 19:02.14 | benplaut | i don't personally have anything against the Sharp ROM (except for networking and file manager), but it made sense to me that since i use Abiword, XFCE, etc on my desktop, might as well on the Z, too |
| 19:02.50 | benplaut | wayne: i asked in #ubuntu... they didn't seem very hopeful it would work |
| 19:03.20 | wayne | benplaut: i don'T even know about how file compatibility would be, but i found that HancomWord is very nice on the Z for writing stuff. Maybe it's nowhere near abiword anbd maybe it's insufficient for you. I just write notes eh |
| 19:03.35 | subdue | (somehow it seems he's struggling more to get to even a starting point) |
| 19:03.51 | benplaut | starting point on what? |
| 19:03.53 | wallabee | wayne: does your hancomword accepts accentuated characters ? |
| 19:03.58 | subdue | to even point A |
| 19:04.01 | benplaut | (a bit dazed, just woke up) |
| 19:04.04 | wayne | wallabee: let me try |
| 19:04.18 | subdue | you're not even at a point where you're dealing with the apps themselves |
| 19:04.18 | benplaut | well, i flashed to OZ/Opie to get the partitioning, that's step one :) |
| 19:04.23 | subdue | that's my point |
| 19:04.29 | subdue | you're stuck on the os part |
| 19:04.31 | wayne | wallabee: yes it does |
| 19:04.36 | benplaut | yes |
| 19:04.38 | wallabee | how come |
| 19:04.42 | subdue | I'd rather concentrate on the apps part |
| 19:04.44 | subdue | not the os itself |
| 19:04.53 | wayne | benplaut: what about my suggestion? split the files and rejoin them |
| 19:05.10 | benplaut | what's he command? |
| 19:05.18 | subdue | (that's a huge effort to even get to the starting gate!) |
| 19:05.34 | subdue | wallabee: is ztenv worth trying over zten? |
| 19:05.42 | wallabee | I don't know about zten |
| 19:05.48 | wayne | benplaut: no clue, i'm no using guru. try tar? or gzip? one of them must be able to make volumes |
| 19:05.51 | benplaut | subdue: as soon as i'm in a familiar environment (Xserver, X apps that i've used for a while), i'm at home :) |
| 19:05.51 | subdue | ok |
| 19:06.04 | wallabee | subdue: I though you were using ztenv |
| 19:06.22 | subdue | wallabee: yeah, that's why we had some communication confusion |
| 19:06.22 | benplaut | k |
| 19:06.42 | subdue | tomoe had pointed me to zten, not ztenv |
| 19:07.22 | wallabee | benplaut: for my part, I think i'll probably try pdaxrom too if I didn't found some critical applications which I couldn't replace on my sharp rom |
| 19:07.32 | wallabee | I don't see much point in OZ however |
| 19:07.47 | subdue | oz is for his partitioning |
| 19:07.48 | wallabee | subdue: ztenv is still under development |
| 19:08.04 | subdue | ok |
| 19:08.24 | subdue | to me that's way too much work - I've found workarounds in the sharp rom fairly easily |
| 19:08.32 | benplaut | wallabee: there's a big userbase with OZ... it seems to be somewhere inbetween Sharp and pdaXrom |
| 19:08.46 | subdue | yes, but it's a moving target |
| 19:09.22 | wayne | it's like linux distributions. There's so many people |
| 19:09.25 | benplaut | well, i'm seriously hoping that the transfer limit on the camera is 39mb |
| 19:09.29 | wallabee | I don't know about OZ at all but |
| 19:09.35 | wayne | err, so many people doing DIFFERENT distributions that no one is left to make one *good* |
| 19:09.42 | benplaut | compressing it brought it from 40.1 to 39 :P |
| 19:09.42 | wayne | it'S all scattered shit, mostly |
| 19:09.58 | wallabee | ok, wayne answered for me |
| 19:10.03 | wallabee | ^^ |
| 19:10.46 | benplaut | brb |
| 19:10.46 | subdue | oz for me sufficiently broke enough times for me to say ok, that was fun |
| 19:11.12 | wayne | heh, in my case, OZ crashed the thing within seconds. |
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| 19:12.28 | subdue | it broke on me in many places |
| 19:12.36 | subdue | most commonly was the ipk update |
| 19:12.43 | subdue | +g |
| 19:12.49 | subdue | then the right arrow bug |
| 19:12.56 | subdue | and a bunch of other places |
| 19:13.22 | wayne | of course, it's still under development. Maybe in some future timeframe it'll be really good and bugfree and all |
| 19:13.25 | subdue | it bugged me when zbedic was limited to older versions too |
| 19:13.31 | wayne | i might try it again, in a few versions, maybe |
| 19:13.52 | wayne | i wish linux developpers would join together instead of splitting up teams all the time |
| 19:14.00 | wayne | we'd be so far ahead, as a collectivity |
| 19:14.07 | subdue | actually, I'd have been happy if they left the packages the same |
| 19:14.16 | subdue | then we could all use whichever ones |
| 19:14.57 | subdue | so effectively we're locked out of oz packages |
| 19:15.13 | subdue | and they're mostly locked out of sharp ones (unless the use compat libs, etc) |
| 19:15.21 | wallabee | wayne: that's not the linux way |
| 19:16.00 | wayne | subdue: true |
| 19:16.02 | subdue | well, at least we have the japanese developers working on things |
| 19:16.02 | wayne | wallabee: heh |
| 19:16.11 | subdue | lots of interesting things there |
| 19:16.22 | subdue | I'm happy with mplayer development |
| 19:16.29 | subdue | (as an example) |
| 19:16.35 | wayne | i played a fullscreen video on my Z, that was like *it* for me |
| 19:16.43 | wayne | proof that there is hope in this world :) |
| 19:16.48 | subdue | heh |
| 19:17.00 | subdue | I was pleased it played m4a files! |
| 19:18.02 | wayne | if only i could get kismet to work, i think i 'd have it all |
| 19:18.20 | subdue | it does work |
| 19:18.44 | wayne | i know, but not for me |
| 19:18.55 | wallabee | not for me either |
| 19:18.57 | subdue | I'm using 2005-4-R1 |
| 19:19.05 | wayne | the drivers supporting my card do not allow the special modes that kismet requires |
| 19:19.18 | subdue | which z? |
| 19:19.26 | subdue | (bad memory) |
| 19:19.30 | wayne | 5600 with a socket/symbol low power card |
| 19:19.58 | subdue | ok |
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| 19:20.07 | wayne | this card is so good for power consumption and signal strength that i don't care if kismet doesn't work. i'm keeping it |
| 19:20.19 | subdue | that's the combo card, right? |
| 19:20.23 | wayne | no |
| 19:20.33 | subdue | just wifi? |
| 19:20.35 | wayne | yes |
| 19:20.50 | subdue | ok, you use wireless, so that's no issue |
| 19:21.02 | subdue | just have the config issues in kismet then, right? |
| 19:21.16 | wayne | no, kismet works fine |
| 19:21.28 | wayne | but it can't access the extended functionalities of the wifi card |
| 19:21.35 | wayne | like channel hopping and whatnot |
| 19:21.43 | subdue | oh, that's not kismet |
| 19:21.47 | wayne | i know it'S not kismet |
| 19:21.51 | wayne | it'S the drivers |
| 19:22.03 | subdue | I think it's command line stuff to do that |
| 19:22.08 | wayne | nope |
| 19:22.19 | wayne | there has been some weird attempts at patching the drivers for it |
| 19:22.25 | wayne | but it's outdated and doesn't work |
| 19:22.30 | subdue | I've not channel hopped in kismet either |
| 19:22.41 | wayne | the writers of the orinoco driver have since included the patch in their drivers |
| 19:22.46 | wayne | and the OZ folks are using orinoco |
| 19:22.51 | subdue | at least the gui doesnt allow that I think |
| 19:22.55 | wayne | so if i were to switch to OZ, it would work for me |
| 19:23.07 | benplaut | well, that didn't work |
| 19:23.32 | subdue | hrm. I did want to try that stuff later, but what I read was it's all command line driven |
| 19:23.57 | wayne | subdue: yes i know, i don't actually use the GUI for kismet |
| 19:24.19 | wayne | but upon starting, the kismet server stops with errors regarding driver extentions and whatnot |
| 19:24.36 | wayne | from what i've read on forums and other sources, it's the drivers fault |
| 19:24.46 | subdue | ah |
| 19:25.12 | subdue | I got up to a point on kismet from the command line, but didnt know how to go from there |
| 19:25.36 | wayne | it doesn't work if you use the script? |
| 19:25.45 | wayne | kismet.sh or somethign |
| 19:26.09 | subdue | hang on, gotta dig up where I'm at |
| 19:26.40 | subdue | ok, this part works: |
| 19:26.41 | subdue | usbctl on 1 (turn on wireless) |
| 19:26.41 | subdue | sleep 1 |
| 19:26.41 | subdue | wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_ifstate ifstate=enable |
| 19:26.41 | subdue | ifconfig wlan0 1.1.1.1 up |
| 19:28.02 | subdue | export TERMINFO=/usr/share/terminfo |
| 19:28.03 | subdue | export TERM=linux |
| 19:28.21 | subdue | I think that's where I was at roughly |
| 19:28.30 | subdue | not sure how to make it jump |
| 19:28.52 | subdue | I was stuck on what commands to use for the next step |
| 19:29.03 | subdue | (figured it was just a matter of time later) |
| 19:36.08 | subdue | ok, there was no kismet_hopper file |
| 19:36.13 | subdue | that's why I was stuck there |
| 19:41.59 | subdue | wayne: http://www.timekiller.org/howtos/kismet-5600.html?22-DEC-2003 |
| 19:42.59 | wayne | subdue: i don't understand, why are you showing me this? |
| 19:43.46 | subdue | oh. sorry, thought it'd help |
| 19:44.17 | wayne | nah, i have a problem with the drivers of my card with respect to kismet requirements |
| 19:44.23 | subdue | ok |
| 19:44.37 | wayne | so solve it, i can either buy a new card (but i love this one!) or try OpenZaurus |
| 19:44.50 | subdue | heh |
| 19:45.10 | wallabee | tough choice |
| 19:45.15 | wayne | hehe yeah |
| 19:45.20 | wayne | so far the choice is "no kismet" :) |
| 19:45.43 | subdue | heh |
| 19:45.58 | wallabee | ^^ |
| 19:46.05 | subdue | hmm... a new binary on kismet |
| 19:46.11 | subdue | 2005-07-R1 |
| 19:46.42 | subdue | uploaded 2 days ago! |
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| 21:34.39 | subdue | if anyone knows how to contact the right people for zaurususergroup.org, please let them know that the front page got hacked |
| 21:34.56 | subdue | ibot: zaurususergroup.org |
| 21:35.16 | subdue | ibot zaurus |
| 21:35.16 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, zaurus is at http://developer.sharpsec.com/index.cfm or the closest thing to sex I can get in the palm of ibot's hand. or the Sharp PDA brand name. The SL-5000, SL-5500 and A300 run Linux. There are also other Japanese models running a proprietary operating system. or there are 12 screws holding it together - pop off th ekeyboard ... |
| 21:35.22 | subdue | ibot zaurususergroup.org |
| 21:35.35 | subdue | ibot zaurususergroup.com |
| 21:38.38 | George | wibble. WIBBLE I SAY. WIBBLE |
| 21:43.57 | benplaut | wibble? |
| 21:44.28 | George | yes. |
| 21:44.50 | benplaut | btw, how do you get bold text? |
| 21:46.44 | George | hahaha |
| 21:46.46 | George | I'm amazing. |
| 21:49.50 | benplaut | OK, then i'll figure it out on my own :P |
| 21:50.38 | George | :P |
| 21:53.34 | benplaut | [b]testing[/b] |
| 21:53.40 | benplaut | -testing- |
| 21:53.53 | benplaut | <b>testing</b> |
| 21:53.59 | benplaut | OK, i'll google it :P |
| 21:56.01 | George | heh |
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| 22:09.50 | benplaut | hehe... bold text! |
| 22:10.00 | benplaut | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.02 | benplaut | woops |
| 22:10.04 | wallabee | benplaut: haha |
| 22:10.32 | benplaut | now for italic... |
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| 23:46.51 | khafra | I need pdaxrom putty, or at the very least irssi--but the putty ipkg at http://beer.geek.nz/software/zaurus/feed/unstable doesn't even seem to be in .gz format. That's a bit beyond unstable. |
| 23:52.24 | subdue | maybe it's not a pdaXrom feed |
| 23:54.05 | khafra | The forums, www.oesf.org, say it's a pdaXrom feed. |
| 23:54.22 | khafra | And even if it was for another platform, it'd at least be gzipped, wouldn't it? |
| 23:58.10 | wallabee | and what if you gzip it yourself ? |
| 23:58.31 | wallabee | i don't know much about your problem however |
