| 00:31.21 | subdue | We are pleased to announce a new partnership with <a href=\"http://www.softmaker.com/english/\">Soft Maker</a> out of Germany, |
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| 00:44.55 | ljp | interesting, hey |
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| 01:32.15 | ljp | hmm. killefiz seems to be updating these days |
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| 01:39.37 | subdue | yes, said that yesterday :) |
| 01:40.30 | subdue | he hasnt update the changes I submitted 3 days ago yet though |
| 02:06.26 | ljp | he just did an update today though |
| 02:06.41 | ljp | or rather for wednesday |
| 02:12.32 | ljp | the email seems to have lag |
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| 02:45.33 | wayne | back, in case someone is alive, awake *and* not idle |
| 02:57.45 | subdue | I think my z has reached a point for me that a treo or blackberry doesn't interest me anymore |
| 02:58.04 | subdue | the next step of course for that is to have a cell phone connect to the z |
| 02:59.33 | wayne | yeah |
| 02:59.47 | wayne | the best bet for that would be the bluetooth version of the sl-6000 |
| 03:00.08 | wayne | btw, do you know how to script connections and disconnections of the wifi card ? |
| 03:00.34 | wayne | i'm trying things like "cardctl scheme something" but the card is always busy (while it's not). i also tred wlancfg which doesn't seem to be for the setup I have either |
| 03:04.20 | subdue | usbctl on 1 |
| 03:04.38 | subdue | wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_ifstate ifstate=enable |
| 03:04.45 | subdue | ifconfig wlan0 1.1.1.1 up |
| 03:05.05 | subdue | usbctl off 1 to turn it off of course |
| 03:05.23 | wayne | i don't even have "usbctl" |
| 03:05.27 | subdue | su |
| 03:05.41 | subdue | not using the sharp rom? |
| 03:05.45 | wayne | watapon |
| 03:05.51 | subdue | can't help you there then |
| 03:05.57 | wayne | he thanks anyway :) |
| 03:06.05 | subdue | probably is on the forums somewhere |
| 03:06.11 | wayne | but this is using the very standard "nwtork" thingy of sharp |
| 03:06.18 | wayne | i can just click the planet icon and choose one of my profiles |
| 03:06.25 | wayne | this should be fairly standard |
| 03:06.45 | wayne | yeah i've been skimming these forums for a bit now :/.. my search has stopped when i found something related to kismet! hehe i |
| 03:07.40 | wayne | hmm this package is 3 years old... that's not good for ya |
| 03:08.56 | subdue | I forget, you have a 6k? |
| 03:09.10 | subdue | wait I remember ... a 56k, right? |
| 03:09.43 | wayne | 5600 |
| 03:09.43 | wayne | 5.6k yeah :) |
| 03:11.26 | wayne | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.59 | subdue | no, I'm certain you can use kismet |
| 03:14.58 | subdue | http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Kismet_Working_on_3.10_ROM |
| 03:15.29 | subdue | if not that, browse around on the howtos...I'm sure it's somewhere |
| 03:17.41 | wayne | you bring me hope |
| 03:18.19 | wayne | the problem is not kismet in itself, by the way |
| 03:18.26 | wayne | it's the Socket low power wifi card |
| 03:18.45 | wayne | support for the required functionalities is apparently hard to find |
| 03:18.59 | wayne | it made it into the orinoco driver, bundled with OZ |
| 03:19.41 | wayne | last time i tried to get a "driver package" from this trusty web, i ended up fucking it so badly that i had to flash the rom back because i couldn't find (even with the inside of the IPK) the changes that had been made to make it all stop working right |
| 03:31.22 | subdue | ah, then it's easier to fix |
| 03:31.27 | subdue | look on the forums for your card |
| 03:31.37 | subdue | you need to make sure the driver is in place first |
| 03:39.03 | wayne | i've found a thread on that forum that seems to indicate i would need the "wireless extensions" into my kernel |
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| 03:48.14 | wayne | hmm, i may have found an even faster kernel that claims "pre-emptive" something |
| 03:50.02 | zip| | will it have my work done yesterday? |
| 03:50.17 | subdue | personally, I'd get things working first, then worry about speed and such ... |
| 03:50.48 | wayne | apparently, this new kernel travels back in time and executes the things i'm about to request, having them finish at the exact mnoment that I am thinking of doing it |
| 03:51.16 | wayne | subdue: well i've found that kernel as listed to contain the wireless extensions that could be required |
| 03:52.02 | subdue | shrug. I have no clue on the 56k |
| 03:52.11 | subdue | err...5600 |
| 03:53.30 | wayne | bah, according to further down posts in the thread, i'm already using that very kernel |
| 03:53.53 | wayne | therefore, my issue would only be with the driver and nothing else |
| 03:54.25 | wayne | well, time for bed. more on this later :) |
| 03:54.39 | wayne | night everyone |
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| 04:39.07 | koyote | oi |
| 04:45.26 | subdue | koyote: the drive came btw |
| 04:45.48 | subdue | koyote: reformated it for fat32, able to go back and forth between windoze and my z |
| 04:45.56 | koyote | cool |
| 04:45.57 | koyote | sweet |
| 04:46.00 | subdue | only downside is the darn card doesnt have a lip to remove |
| 04:46.09 | subdue | like cf cards have |
| 04:47.09 | subdue | used this howto do deal with it http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Formating_A_Microdrive_For_Use_With_Cxx0_And_Windows_Simultaneously |
| 04:53.45 | subdue | anyway, all is well, I'm satisfied, thanks |
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| 05:34.52 | chrget | Wheeee ... made 150 downloads :) |
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| 06:34.53 | wallabee | hello |
| 06:36.39 | chrget | G'morning wallabee |
| 06:37.06 | wallabee | 'morning chrget |
| 06:39.09 | wallabee | today's off, let's toy with the zaurus ^o^/ |
| 06:40.48 | chrget | :) |
| 06:41.55 | zip| | i stoked that guyhelm is back |
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| 07:02.55 | Tomoe | How are you gentlemen |
| 07:03.02 | kendhome | tired :( |
| 07:03.10 | Tomoe | eh |
| 07:03.12 | Tomoe | me too |
| 07:03.32 | Tomoe | and yet I need to write 2 compositions in 3 and a half hours |
| 07:03.38 | Tomoe | blah =( |
| 07:04.13 | kendhome | ouch |
| 07:04.34 | Tomoe | IN JAPANESE |
| 07:05.07 | kendhome | PHP's much easier, i imagine ;) |
| 07:05.07 | Tomoe | and I'm off now |
| 07:05.10 | Tomoe | see you man |
| 07:05.14 | Tomoe | yes it is trust me |
| 07:05.15 | wallabee | tomoe: good luck ^o^ |
| 07:05.20 | Tomoe | lol |
| 07:05.36 | Tomoe | WATASHI NO ICHINICHI |
| 07:05.42 | Tomoe | ok see you gays |
| 07:06.03 | kendhome | hahaha |
| 07:06.12 | Tomoe | *guys |
| 07:06.14 | Tomoe | sorry |
| 07:06.15 | kendhome | yeah ;) |
| 07:06.30 | kendhome | since _SHE_ took some classes |
| 07:06.38 | Tomoe | kendhome, just a diary |
| 07:06.54 | Tomoe | 'one day of mine' |
| 07:19.01 | chrget | Hmmmm, TS encapsulation via HTTP is highly inefficient, me thinks |
| 07:31.05 | chrget | Hmmm, and rate control with theora/vorbis via OGG/HTTP seems a gamble at best |
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| 12:10.52 | wayne | morning' (for me) |
| 12:12.13 | wayne | chrget: i've tried your VLC binary yesterday. works very good, good framerate on my 5600. I don't really know which is faster between that and mplayer-w100, but i'll keep it to play some more |
| 12:15.18 | chrget | Hi wayne |
| 12:20.24 | chrget | I wonder if you were #150 ;) |
| 12:21.06 | wayne | would I win anything if I were? :) |
| 12:22.01 | chrget | Who knows ... possibly that $%&*# DVB adapter that's been crashing all day today |
| 12:22.49 | wayne | hehe |
| 12:25.03 | wayne | my clock problems are becoming annoying |
| 12:25.29 | wayne | during the night, the clock went back 45 minutes or so, effectively *not* triggering an alarm that i needed |
| 12:27.09 | chrget | Sounds like the RTC oscillator being seriously off |
| 12:29.35 | wayne | well, it'll stay on time for days after that! It just seems that, for some reason, spontaneously it'll roll back |
| 12:29.48 | wayne | like it doesn't get gradually off |
| 12:30.14 | chrget | Hmmm, in that case I'd regularly check RTC content |
| 12:30.31 | chrget | Maybe you can find something you're doing that whacks it off |
| 12:31.46 | wayne | i was sleeping :( |
| 12:32.50 | chrget | In all likelyhood it was off when you last suspended the Z |
| 12:33.28 | chrget | Since time is not written back to the RTC at suspend, AFAIK |
| 12:33.34 | wayne | i can honestly say that i witnessed for myself the insane hour at which i was going to bed, and i've confirme how insane I was by comparing the Z clock to my bedside alarm clock |
| 12:33.47 | wayne | so when i pressed Cancel, it was normal |
| 12:34.07 | chrget | Once again, the clock you see on the Z is _not_ the RTC |
| 12:34.11 | wayne | oh |
| 12:34.13 | wayne | right |
| 12:34.23 | wayne | i didn't know that's what you meant |
| 12:34.35 | chrget | That's why I said to check the _RTC_ |
| 12:34.46 | wayne | what should I do? regularly stop apd and check hwclock frequently? |
| 12:35.14 | wayne | i'm sorry i didn't catch that important part of your original message :/ it's early and i'm tired ;( |
| 12:35.32 | chrget | Might help you to at least get a better impression of the clock skews |
| 12:36.21 | chrget | And if the RTC is ok before you suspend and time is off at resume, you're doomed. |
| 12:36.55 | wayne | so you think maybe my rtc clock would be defective, drifting away in time slowly, and the next time the Z software loads the rtc clock into "that other clock", i get the hour shift?% |
| 12:37.09 | chrget | Yeah. |
| 12:37.18 | wayne | that would seriously suck |
| 12:37.24 | wayne | i just bought this :( |
| 12:38.03 | chrget | And since the RTC also handles wakeup via its alarm interrupt, it would explain missing out on those as well. |
| 12:39.48 | chrget | So the important question is does it indeed drift somehow by itself or is it whacked off by something that's being done. |
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| 12:44.46 | wayne | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 12:44.56 | wayne | i'll bee keeping a watchful eye :) |
| 12:50.18 | wayne | dang, it happens to be 45 minutes off right now ! |
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| 13:23.41 | wallabee | 'morning wayne |
| 13:25.24 | wayne | hey wallabee |
| 13:29.44 | Tomoe | ok guys see you later |
| 13:29.51 | wayne | Tomoe: later |
| 14:00.42 | wayne | good enough for what? |
| 14:01.35 | chrget | To convince the guy who was asking about how to view his home webcam with his Z when on the road |
| 14:01.43 | wayne | ah rigt |
| 14:01.55 | chrget | Don't remember who it was |
| 14:16.43 | pgas` | hi |
| 14:17.08 | chrget | Hi pgas :) |
| 14:46.03 | chrget | Sheesh, why can't people just shut the $%&*# up when they haven't got a clue? |
| 14:47.59 | wayne | chrget: having some fun over at oesf forums? |
| 14:48.15 | chrget | Yeah, basically |
| 14:48.18 | pgas | maybe they just want to talk? |
| 14:48.22 | chrget | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=13309 |
| 14:48.45 | pgas | I don't know ;) maybe something else? |
| 14:48.53 | chrget | About as much fun as open heart surgery :) |
| 14:51.16 | chrget | Hell, I've been doing data communications for 20 years now |
| 14:51.30 | wayne | ahh yes |
| 14:51.31 | wayne | as usual |
| 14:51.38 | wayne | the hilarity does ensue in web forums |
| 14:54.14 | chrget | Must be the aftereffects from that stupid crashing card |
| 14:54.43 | wayne | probably yeah :) |
| 14:57.11 | chrget | And someone should whack that Cresho guy with a piece of railway track |
| 14:58.08 | wayne | the wooden ones, or the steel ones? |
| 14:58.33 | chrget | I'll leave that to you |
| 14:58.46 | wayne | allright, creativity, i like that. |
| 15:00.27 | chrget | Good lad |
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| 15:00.38 | wayne | "Yes i'd like to rent a train engine." "Sure thing sir. What weight do you need to pull?" - "Actually, it's more of a push." |
| 15:03.06 | chrget | Arrrgh |
| 15:03.29 | wallabee | ^^ |
| 15:03.41 | wallabee | well, 'night guys |
| 15:04.54 | wayne | But how will you type? |
| 15:05.06 | chrget | That _is_ why I should sit on my hands. |
| 15:05.34 | wayne | but but but |
| 15:05.39 | wayne | BUTT, right, okay |
| 15:05.40 | wayne | :) |
| 15:05.50 | chrget | "sorry guys. i can connect my cellphone to my zaurus in 2 ways irda bluetooth unlimited data access through cellphone is 24 dollars a month. i also have bluetooth to my laptop which i use my laptop from school to access the net right through the cellphone." |
| 15:05.53 | wayne | you're strained, i'm bored. bad combination |
| 15:06.09 | wayne | 2 ways IrDA, that'S a new hack |
| 15:06.31 | chrget | I'm _so_ proud of him. |
| 15:07.13 | chrget | I mean, doesn't _anybody_ _read_ the posts they are replying to? |
| 15:07.33 | wayne | no i think it's just you |
| 15:07.57 | wayne | typically people read the ver last line of the very last post, and throw 2 bags of fresh shit based on that, out of context |
| 15:08.59 | chrget | Hmmm, you know ... that sounds perfectly right. Using this as a guideline, everything suddenly makes sense. |
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| 15:09.16 | wayne | You should write your posts in reverse. |
| 15:09.28 | wayne | Start with the explanation, and finish the a line that states your point |
| 15:09.32 | NoRemorse | hi I am trying to format a cf card on my zaurus and it gets io errors, but the cards work fine on other systems? |
| 15:09.59 | NoRemorse | and I consequently cant do a OZ upgrade. |
| 15:10.41 | NoRemorse | checked the cf socket pins all looks ok any ideas pls? |
| 15:11.04 | chrget | Well, not being able to flash OZ could be considered a feature, not a bug. But then again that's just me. |
| 15:11.12 | wayne | NoRemorse: what if you format the card on other system, can you access it in yor zaurus? |
| 15:11.25 | wayne | chrget: youhave a point |
| 15:11.38 | wayne | NoRemorse: Maybe the divinity of the processor is trying to send you a message here |
| 15:11.42 | NoRemorse | a fat cf should mount? |
| 15:11.47 | chrget | Sure |
| 15:11.53 | NoRemorse | hmm |
| 15:11.57 | rmrfchik | is there some minimal debian/arm distro, so I can unpack it to SD card and do chroot /mnt/card? |
| 15:12.00 | NoRemorse | might be time for the trashcan |
| 15:12.12 | chrget | Uhm, FAT what? |
| 15:12.13 | NoRemorse | so what u guys run if not OZ? |
| 15:12.23 | chrget | FAT12, 16 or 32? |
| 15:12.38 | wayne | NoRemorse: sharp based roms that were since enhanced |
| 15:12.57 | NoRemorse | oh I ahve a 5500 so no option |
| 15:12.58 | chrget | Gotta be careful there. FAT32 won't work. |
| 15:13.16 | NoRemorse | ah ok that could be it... |
| 15:13.36 | NoRemorse | ah when I format the card it just says fat no other options, its xp |
| 15:13.44 | wayne | NoRemorse: no option? There's cacko rom for your device, if i am not mistakne. |
| 15:14.16 | NoRemorse | ah ok, never heard of it, have just alwyas used (and been happy) with OZ |
| 15:14.52 | wayne | NoRemorse: which user interface to you use? Gnome or Opie ? |
| 15:15.00 | NoRemorse | opie |
| 15:15.59 | chrget | Hmmmm, lemme guess ... you formatted it in ext2 sometime? |
| 15:16.03 | wayne | good. i tried to do that on my unit but OZ/OPIE would consistently crash |
| 15:16.16 | NoRemorse | just gonna boot into linux on my laptop and see if the cf card formats in ext2 on that back soon |
| 15:16.36 | NoRemorse | they have been ext2 at some stage but fat when I try the upgrade |
| 15:16.48 | NoRemorse | just checked, its fat not fat32 |
| 15:17.02 | NoRemorse | so ok back soon, suspect BOTH my cf cards may be fubar.... |
| 15:17.44 | chrget | Either that or he fucked up the partition table |
| 15:18.22 | wayne | more likely the latter |
| 15:18.55 | chrget | Formatting CF under XP ... wouldn't be surprised if it sees it as a Superfloppy |
| 15:19.13 | wayne | haha |
| 15:20.00 | chrget | Could be, you know. If it does, it'll wipe the partition table |
| 15:20.25 | chrget | You have a perfectly good medium, but obviously the Z won't really like it. |
| 15:21.23 | wayne | can't linux's fdisk nuke the partition table entries and start ove? |
| 15:21.26 | wayne | over |
| 15:21.55 | chrget | It should, yeah. |
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| 15:37.09 | pgas | rmrfchik: http://www.pocketworkstation.org |
| 15:40.25 | rmrfchik | 10x! |
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| 15:53.26 | rmrfchik | hmmm, qpkg doesnt show /mnt/usr as option to install to |
| 15:54.21 | pgas | /mnt/user? |
| 15:54.47 | pgas | rmrfchik: what Z do you have? |
| 15:54.56 | rmrfchik | 860 + pdaxrom |
| 15:55.21 | pgas | hey mine neither ;) |
| 15:55.30 | pgas | it's new in RC10 |
| 15:56.11 | rmrfchik | rc10 leaves too small room in / |
| 15:56.34 | zip| | resize the partition |
| 15:56.57 | pgas | or use ipkg -d /mnt/user install pkg on a terminal |
| 15:57.20 | pgas | resizing might prevent you to flash something else |
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| 16:02.08 | pgas | hmm I think it's a new bug in qpkg, most probably it as to do with the fact that it now shows the space available |
| 16:03.46 | pgas | I tend ot use the command line these days: I didn't notice it :) |
| 16:04.41 | rmrfchik | how to refresh GUI after ipkg? |
| 16:12.07 | pgas | hmm quit and restart? |
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| 17:17.36 | subdue | chrget: got a question foryou |
| 17:18.08 | subdue | if I say "qtopia environment", is that an accurate statement for the sharp rom? |
| 17:28.37 | chrget | I'd say so, yes. |
| 17:29.30 | chrget | Albeit a rather, uhm, antiquated Qtopia environment |
| 17:29.39 | subdue | ok, thanks |
| 17:30.03 | subdue | I was reading the thread on which developer direction to go and I felt they were degrading, so I had to reply |
| 17:33.01 | chrget | Well, I already gave my vote :) |
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| 17:34.02 | subdue | on the cell phone thing, I was wondering a few things |
| 17:34.24 | subdue | I understand some models have modem functions built in, and other don't |
| 17:34.31 | subdue | +s |
| 17:34.55 | chrget | Which is mainly a firmware question |
| 17:35.25 | subdue | and then there's the cell phone company who only want you to do what they want you to have |
| 17:35.51 | subdue | ie, verizon and their "get it now" thing |
| 17:36.11 | chrget | AFAIK there are virtually no more phones out there that don't have data functionality |
| 17:36.14 | subdue | so a number of people have bypassed it and use public um ... wap? to do that |
| 17:36.25 | subdue | ok |
| 17:36.53 | subdue | essentially, those that use that public wap only use their voice time, and not data time |
| 17:37.55 | subdue | so in theory, if I understand this correctly, I could have my Z connect to my phone, dial out that way with the same results? |
| 17:38.04 | chrget | Still has nothing to do with doing something the provider doesn't let you |
| 17:38.26 | subdue | hmm |
| 17:38.54 | chrget | I don't know the details for verizon |
| 17:39.00 | subdue | ok |
| 17:39.08 | subdue | I understand gsm is a little different |
| 17:39.17 | subdue | verizonwireless == cdma |
| 17:39.33 | subdue | vw is rather restrictive |
| 17:39.50 | subdue | I hear gsm providers give you a lot more leeway in terms of data |
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| 17:40.07 | chrget | But many providers do offer CSD at the same conditions as voice |
| 17:40.20 | subdue | csd? |
| 17:40.29 | chrget | circuit switched data |
| 17:40.35 | subdue | ah |
| 17:40.54 | chrget | as opposed to GPRS |
| 17:41.03 | subdue | well, in verizon's case, people got upset that they'd have to 1) pay more and 2) only do what verizon wanted |
| 17:41.36 | subdue | I think the bottom line is doing email/browsing through my cell phone's connection |
| 17:41.57 | subdue | whether it be vw or a gsm provider |
| 17:42.02 | chrget | Well that problem is that all providers are to some degree like that |
| 17:42.11 | subdue | yeah |
| 17:42.15 | chrget | example |
| 17:42.15 | subdue | read that too |
| 17:42.52 | chrget | My plan has sinking charges depending on usage time |
| 17:43.44 | chrget | first 5 minutes are 59 cent, next 5 29 and any after that 9 |
| 17:44.19 | chrget | unfortunately just for voice |
| 17:44.49 | subdue | ouch |
| 17:45.10 | chrget | data calls not only don't count towards calltime but are constantly charged at 39/19 cent |
| 17:47.07 | chrget | on another plan I have calls to one selectable number at 19c during the week and 7c on weekends |
| 17:47.31 | chrget | incidentally, this also works for data |
| 17:48.08 | chrget | even though it's the same provider ;) |
| 17:48.52 | subdue | ok |
| 17:49.33 | chrget | so i set up my own dialin, and specified its number :) |
| 17:49.49 | subdue | I guess that's one of my next step for my z |
| 17:49.53 | subdue | +s |
| 17:51.47 | chrget | it's nice to be able to go online whenever you want |
| 17:52.12 | subdue | yeah |
| 17:52.13 | chrget | but the prices are still a bit prohibitive |
| 17:52.22 | subdue | they can be |
| 17:52.36 | subdue | my thought is more of for semi emergencies |
| 17:52.59 | subdue | ie, send a long message out when traveling |
| 17:53.09 | subdue | I'm still going to have to work on getting efax to work too |
| 17:53.22 | subdue | haven't spent enough time there |
| 17:53.40 | chrget | i've been thinking about that, too |
| 17:53.45 | subdue | I guess I'll need to get a usb cable first |
| 17:54.11 | chrget | but that would imho require a way to produce decent documents on the Z |
| 17:54.49 | chrget | I was thinking about putting TeX on my Z for that |
| 17:55.09 | subdue | no need |
| 17:55.16 | subdue | zfax converts it to pdf |
| 17:55.24 | subdue | wait |
| 17:55.26 | subdue | tiff I mean |
| 17:55.33 | subdue | or was it efax that did that? |
| 17:55.44 | subdue | something like that |
| 17:55.55 | chrget | incoming fax on the Z is of no interest to me |
| 17:56.12 | chrget | just outgoing |
| 17:56.14 | subdue | outgoing is the same |
| 17:56.23 | subdue | it prepares the text -> tiff |
| 17:56.29 | subdue | I think |
| 17:56.43 | subdue | or did you need something more robust than text? |
| 17:56.45 | chrget | yeah, but that looks like ... uhm ... |
| 17:56.52 | subdue | 'crap'? |
| 17:58.38 | chrget | i've run efax on the desktop, feeding it with TeX output |
| 17:58.58 | chrget | That produces really nice output. |
| 17:59.05 | subdue | really? |
| 18:00.05 | chrget | Really really ;) |
| 18:00.37 | subdue | I wonder if you could just use any app, and if efax would understand it? |
| 18:00.45 | chrget | No |
| 18:00.46 | subdue | like the hancom apps? |
| 18:01.08 | zip| | well u could save your hancom word file as a rtf or something |
| 18:01.10 | subdue | or textmaker |
| 18:01.32 | subdue | oh well |
| 18:01.37 | chrget | But you still need something that eventually produces raster data |
| 18:02.22 | subdue | The efax package includes ``efix,'' a program to convert between various image file formats. To fax Postscript files you will need Ghostscript. To view faxes you can use any program tha displays PGM files (e.g. xloadimage or xv). efix can also convert received files to Postscript or HP Laserjet formats for printing. |
| 18:02.39 | subdue | hmm |
| 18:02.49 | chrget | yup |
| 18:03.08 | subdue | http://www.cce.com/efax/relatedsoftware.html |
| 18:03.09 | chrget | in that combination ghostscript produces the raster data for you |
| 18:04.33 | subdue | I like how windoze uses it as a printer driver ... why can't it be that simple? |
| 18:05.11 | chrget | Because printing is not designed into the Z |
| 18:05.34 | chrget | Unless of course you install pdaxrom |
| 18:05.59 | chrget | including openoffice, ghostscript and the like |
| 18:06.47 | subdue | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=2045 |
| 18:06.58 | subdue | what's this "dvi" format thing? |
| 18:07.59 | chrget | TeX's DeViceIndependent document format |
| 18:08.03 | subdue | (I'm reading about it, but it doesnt get very clear) |
| 18:08.39 | subdue | I guess it gets a little confusing when they say "watch" |
| 18:08.48 | subdue | watch to me implies like an avi |
| 18:08.54 | subdue | a video of some sort |
| 18:09.45 | chrget | Well, not everyone is a native english speaker ;) |
| 18:09.55 | subdue | ah, ok, I can get that |
| 18:10.24 | subdue | so it's more like "view dvi files" |
| 18:10.27 | subdue | ok |
| 18:10.31 | chrget | yup |
| 18:10.57 | chrget | think of dvi like the granddaddy of pdf |
| 18:11.12 | subdue | ok, I can dig that |
| 18:13.03 | chrget | I really should install TeX on my Z |
| 18:13.45 | subdue | make an ipk? |
| 18:14.10 | chrget | If I think about it, I've done excellent typesetting with it on machines with a fraction of the Z's power |
| 18:15.24 | chrget | So it should be more than reasonable to use the Z for it |
| 18:16.08 | subdue | (philip): I know all that <= this kind of response always turns me off in helping others |
| 18:16.38 | chrget | Hehehe |
| 18:17.01 | chrget | Depends on the context, really |
| 18:17.39 | subdue | I offered some links b/c he said he used his z very little and I had asked him to explain what he meant by so little |
| 18:17.51 | subdue | he replied battery life and apps |
| 18:17.58 | subdue | and synching |
| 18:20.09 | chrget | In that case every word typed is too much |
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| 18:23.05 | chrget | Re pgas |
| 18:26.02 | subdue | heh |
| 18:26.09 | chrget | Oh, btw., you still haven't given me feedback about yesterday's webcam-experiment, subdue |
| 18:26.24 | subdue | I replied, but you disappeared |
| 18:26.30 | subdue | wanted to test it again |
| 18:27.59 | subdue | there's a bunch of options on vlc |
| 18:31.40 | subdue | what was the ip again? |
| 18:32.08 | zip| | it didnt work when i tryed to view it |
| 18:32.42 | chrget | Huh? I had outgoing data towards your IP for minutes |
| 18:32.43 | subdue | I'll try it from my z |
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| 18:33.16 | philip | anyone running the new trolltech rom 2.1.2? |
| 18:33.27 | chrget | subdue: http://dolmadakia.homeip.net:9999/ |
| 18:33.35 | subdue | ok |
| 18:33.38 | subdue | I'm ready |
| 18:33.59 | zip| | philip: if ljp is here he is |
| 18:34.38 | subdue | mpeg_audio decoder: MPGA channels:1 samplerate:8000 bitrate:16 |
| 18:34.57 | subdue | no video displayed (this is from my z) |
| 18:35.09 | chrget | It'll take a while |
| 18:35.24 | subdue | ok, I'll restart it |
| 18:35.42 | zip| | yeah took like a min |
| 18:38.56 | subdue | (nothing yet, but a lot of traffic) |
| 18:40.54 | philip | hmm, it doesn't seem to want to flash on mine - maybe it needs a CF card bigger than 16mb - I think the sharp rom needed 32mb for some reason. |
| 18:41.32 | subdue | it? |
| 18:42.01 | philip | the TT 2.1.2 |
| 18:42.04 | subdue | ah |
| 18:42.29 | philip | can anyone remember if that's right about the sharp rom needing >16mb CF on the 5500? |
| 18:43.39 | subdue | initrd.bin: 14,336KB + zImage = 896KB |
| 18:43.51 | chrget | If you're flashing it as OSPACK, yes |
| 18:44.04 | subdue | that's SharpROM3.13 I think |
| 18:44.10 | philip | oh okay, not sure why the tt rom didn't |
| 18:44.13 | subdue | chrget: still no image |
| 18:44.38 | chrget | That's odd |
| 18:44.55 | subdue | ./vlc http://etc |
| 18:45.30 | chrget | Uhm, try selecting a video output |
| 18:45.58 | chrget | 6000, right& |
| 18:46.40 | subdue | udp:? |
| 18:47.27 | chrget | Your Z, it's a 6000, right? |
| 18:47.31 | subdue | yes |
| 18:47.36 | subdue | guess it's not udb |
| 18:47.39 | subdue | udp even |
| 18:47.51 | chrget | No, obviously |
| 18:48.17 | chrget | then run vlc as root with -V fb |
| 18:49.23 | chrget | Or you could create a file test.pls containing: |
| 18:49.40 | chrget | # vlc playlist file version 0.5 |
| 18:50.04 | chrget | http://dolmadakia.homeip.net:9999/ |
| 18:50.15 | chrget | vlc:quit |
| 18:50.42 | chrget | You should be able to run that from the frontend :) |
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| 18:53.27 | subdue | ./vlc -V fb http://dolmadakia.homeip.net:9999/ <= trying that |
| 18:53.38 | subdue | (I'm probably wrong again) |
| 18:57.02 | chrget | Dunno what your problem might be, then |
| 18:57.14 | subdue | my problem is ignorance |
| 18:58.51 | chrget | You're obviously receiving the stream and most likely can hear the audio ... |
| 18:59.19 | subdue | yes I can hear the audio |
| 18:59.22 | subdue | try talking |
| 19:00.00 | chrget | So the problem is video output at your end, for some reason |
| 19:00.02 | subdue | say something (I think its a tv in the background) |
| 19:00.30 | chrget | Yeah, it's the TV |
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| 19:00.41 | subdue | some news thing |
| 19:00.43 | subdue | ok |
| 19:00.56 | chrget | are you running as root |
| 19:01.09 | subdue | yes |
| 19:01.18 | chrget | hmmm, strange then |
| 19:01.27 | subdue | mpeg_audio decoder: MPGA channels:1 samplerate:8000 bitrate:15 |
| 19:01.43 | subdue | ./vlc -V fb http://dolmadakia.homeip.net:9999/ <= that's what I typed in |
| 19:01.53 | subdue | stopping it now |
| 19:02.03 | chrget | weird |
| 19:02.11 | subdue | the audio came in decently (a little soft, but that's ok) |
| 19:03.14 | chrget | you might want to try increasing verbosity then |
| 19:03.28 | subdue | I'll type anything you want me to try on it |
| 19:03.29 | chrget | -v -vv or even -vvv |
| 19:05.08 | subdue | ./vlc -V fb -vvv http://dolmadakia.homeip.net:9999/ |
| 19:05.30 | chrget | probably too much for a start |
| 19:05.31 | subdue | ok, it doesnt like that. lots of debug messages |
| 19:06.21 | subdue | last message: main audio output debug: audio output is starving (129241), playing silence |
| 19:06.25 | subdue | (that's funny) |
| 19:06.41 | subdue | volume is the same btw |
| 19:07.33 | chrget | You'ld have to check the first messages for video output stuff |
| 19:07.56 | chrget | Because that's where the problem seems to be |
| 19:08.48 | chrget | No idea why, since it does play other stuff I suppose |
| 19:09.11 | philip | woo, I got the tt rom on there. anyone know how the hand writing input works? how to you cycle through possible word matches |
| 19:14.07 | subdue | ok, first error was it didnt have a /home/root/.vlc/vlcrc (I touched it to get rid of that error) |
| 19:14.21 | subdue | I'm using -v now, bc -vvv goes too fast |
| 19:14.39 | subdue | main demuxer warning: no access_demux module matched "http" |
| 19:15.00 | subdue | mp4 demuxer warning: MP4 plugin discarded (not a valid file) |
| 19:15.19 | subdue | avi demuxer => invalid header |
| 19:15.32 | subdue | asf demuxer => not a valid file |
| 19:15.36 | subdue | etc |
| 19:16.01 | subdue | it goes through the list, then ends up at mpeg_audio decoder |
| 19:16.34 | subdue | I guess it doesnt like the format? |
| 19:17.21 | chrget | You _are_ running the latest release, right? |
| 19:17.41 | subdue | 0.8.2 |
| 19:17.50 | subdue | 0.8.2-svn Janus |
| 19:18.09 | chrget | SVN? |
| 19:18.28 | subdue | shrug |
| 19:18.38 | subdue | ./vlc --version |
| 19:18.50 | subdue | VLC media player 0.8.2-svn Janus |
| 19:18.59 | subdue | 0.8.2-svn Janus |
| 19:19.11 | subdue | This program comes with NO WARRANTY ... etc etc etc |
| 19:19.32 | chrget | This is _not_ the latest version I posted |
| 19:19.45 | subdue | uh ... I have no clue. I just download what you put up |
| 19:19.55 | subdue | I'll dl it again |
| 19:20.02 | chrget | Hold it |
| 19:20.03 | subdue | (you're the only one that makes the binary) |
| 19:20.16 | subdue | afaik |
| 19:20.17 | chrget | md5sum |
| 19:20.49 | chrget | 6885d4453e654f5c4707708c8e2a6e42 |
| 19:21.12 | subdue | e47d856148008c28a85b9fdcb572bf15 |
| 19:21.35 | subdue | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=13518&hl=vlc |
| 19:21.53 | subdue | grabbing it again |
| 19:23.13 | subdue | ? |
| 19:23.43 | subdue | I've been using your vlc since you first dropped it on the forums |
| 19:23.56 | subdue | it's probable I screwed up somewhere |
| 19:25.18 | chrget | Looks like it |
| 19:25.42 | subdue | this one doesnt have the -svn this time |
| 19:26.02 | chrget | You're most likely having an old or even multiple vlc executables on your system |
| 19:29.11 | subdue | md5sum matches this time btw |
| 19:30.10 | subdue | trying with just -V fb first |
| 19:30.24 | subdue | no audio message so far (that's good) |
| 19:30.39 | subdue | ah, there we go |
| 19:30.52 | subdue | a 480x640 screen |
| 19:31.21 | subdue | some guy tinkering |
| 19:31.32 | subdue | playing with his fingers now |
| 19:32.02 | subdue | typing on something (probably a z) |
| 19:32.11 | chrget | Oh really |
| 19:32.16 | subdue | hunching down now |
| 19:32.17 | chrget | :p |
| 19:32.21 | subdue | now stretching |
| 19:32.29 | subdue | such white shorts! |
| 19:32.39 | subdue | (just teasing) |
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| 19:33.31 | subdue | and now, thoroughly bored, he walks off leaving the audience to watch a dining room table, silence and solitude being the only comfort! |
| 19:33.44 | chrget | So what do we learn from this? |
| 19:33.49 | subdue | comment: the image is a bit tall |
| 19:34.25 | subdue | "dont assume that if chrget says it's 0.82 that it's the same version you downloaded from his other messages on the forum" |
| 19:35.16 | chrget | Well since it's a 6000, you'll need to add the --transform stuff from the posting |
| 19:35.40 | chrget | I think 270 would be right |
| 19:37.48 | subdue | warning: option --filter is deprecated. You should use --vout-filter instead. |
| 19:38.28 | subdue | ok, now we got a landscape image |
| 19:38.40 | chrget | Heh, I hate it when they do that ;) |
| 19:39.00 | subdue | is it frozen? |
| 19:39.19 | subdue | no movement |
| 19:39.52 | subdue | trying without --filter transform |
| 19:40.21 | chrget | Well if nobody is in the picture, what should move? |
| 19:40.30 | subdue | there was a big black thing on the right |
| 19:40.37 | subdue | to the right of the wine bottle |
| 19:40.52 | chrget | Wine bottle? |
| 19:41.04 | subdue | errr.. bottle |
| 19:41.17 | chrget | You're watching the wrong channel ;) |
| 19:41.20 | subdue | haha |
| 19:41.40 | subdue | now you look fat |
| 19:41.55 | chrget | Thanks |
| 19:42.10 | subdue | this is with the --filter transform --transform 270 |
| 19:42.21 | subdue | everything is scrunched in landscape |
| 19:42.58 | subdue | the wine bottle has become a shorter bottle |
| 19:43.34 | subdue | can you hold up a 8.5x11 paper? |
| 19:43.35 | chrget | Well as long as it's fullscreen it should be correct |
| 19:43.50 | subdue | so I can see how skewed it is? |
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| 19:44.20 | chrget | Sorry, that format is unavailable here. |
| 19:44.27 | subdue | um |
| 19:44.30 | subdue | a book? |
| 19:44.35 | subdue | a paperback book? |
| 19:44.48 | subdue | a coin? |
| 19:45.01 | subdue | or something that is square |
| 19:45.08 | subdue | a square thing is best |
| 19:45.31 | subdue | the lighting is a bit dark. I know, hang on |
| 19:46.00 | subdue | darn. I thought I could take a screenshot |
| 19:46.20 | subdue | but it's the same keys as ending vlc I think |
| 19:46.49 | subdue | what you're holding up is at the top of the screen |
| 19:47.01 | subdue | the center of the table is the center of the screen |
| 19:47.34 | subdue | the table is well lit |
| 19:47.36 | chrget | round |
| 19:47.45 | subdue | but you're darker, |
| 19:47.59 | subdue | so it's hard to make you out at this time |
| 19:48.23 | chrget | well this is not a tv studio |
| 19:48.23 | subdue | in the shadows, you look like an alien! |
| 19:48.39 | subdue | well, yeah |
| 19:49.08 | subdue | if I was in the gui, will I be able to do a screenshot? |
| 19:49.09 | chrget | roughly square |
| 19:49.18 | chrget | no |
| 19:49.21 | subdue | darn |
| 19:49.36 | subdue | wanted to show you what I see |
| 19:49.45 | subdue | hmm...maybe i can. hold on |
| 19:51.42 | chrget | doesn't really matter |
| 19:52.13 | chrget | if it's full screen, the aspect ratio should be correct |
| 19:55.36 | subdue | can you accept a dcc? |
| 19:55.50 | chrget | good question |
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| 19:56.26 | subdue | ok trying |
| 19:57.14 | chrget | *** No file (chrget.jpg) offered in +SEND mode by subdue |
| 19:57.27 | subdue | "awaiting reply" |
| 19:57.35 | chrget | guess not |
| 19:57.47 | subdue | what's your email? |
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| 19:58.12 | chrget | ftp it to dolmadakia.homeip.net into incoming |
| 19:58.23 | philip | I can ftp and get a prompt, but no password seems to work (5500, trolltech 2.1.2 rom) |
| 19:58.26 | subdue | ok |
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| 20:01.43 | subdue | is it viewable? |
| 20:03.15 | subdue | ok resent it (the first time it did it in ascii mode apparently |
| 20:04.42 | chrget | It looks about right |
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| 20:05.40 | chrget | What are the exact display dimensions of the 6k anyway? |
| 20:05.42 | subdue | so the bottle is the right shape now? |
| 20:05.48 | subdue | 480x640 |
| 20:05.54 | subdue | or in this case, 640x480 |
| 20:06.12 | chrget | Uhm, I didn't mean the resolution |
| 20:06.17 | subdue | sorry? |
| 20:06.29 | subdue | it's doing a full screen, not sure what you're asking |
| 20:06.44 | chrget | I was talking physical screen dimensions |
| 20:06.44 | subdue | I heard a laugh |
| 20:06.48 | subdue | oh |
| 20:07.26 | chrget | More like a cough, but oh well ;) |
| 20:08.25 | subdue | does 80cm x 60cm sound right? |
| 20:08.33 | subdue | err |
| 20:08.37 | subdue | 80mm x 60mm |
| 20:08.56 | subdue | 4-inch semi-transmissive CGS color LCD (with backlight) |
| 20:09.46 | subdue | (not used to the metric system, we use inches and stuff here) |
| 20:10.28 | chrget | Yeah sounds right. |
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| 20:10.43 | chrget | In that case the aspect ratio is ok |
| 20:11.15 | subdue | ok |
| 20:11.46 | subdue | sorry about the fat comment earlier - I was really saying you look fat in that direction compared to the skewed portrait mode |
| 20:12.12 | subdue | actually, you're about the same fatness of myself |
| 20:12.48 | chrget | Open mouth, insert foot ); |
| 20:12.53 | subdue | yup |
| 20:13.07 | chrget | ;), even |
| 20:13.52 | chrget | Well, too late for perfect Z keyboard coordination ;) |
| 20:14.20 | subdue | I'm adding the parameters that you suggested to the 6k webpage that I've been doing |
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| 20:16.27 | chrget | Anyway, it's working. |
| 20:16.42 | chrget | You had me going there for a while. |
| 20:16.43 | subdue | yes, it wasn't due to me screwing up |
| 20:17.10 | chrget | Rrrrrright :) |
| 20:17.34 | subdue | well, I had the wrong version |
| 20:17.37 | subdue | so that's my screwup |
| 20:18.10 | flexorama | is it just ne or is it impossible to hilight text on opera? |
| 20:18.13 | chrget | But vlc is nasty that way |
| 20:18.47 | chrget | version mismatches between sender and receiver can give you hours of fun |
| 20:19.50 | chrget | But it does make for a neat quick streaming solution |
| 20:20.24 | subdue | yes, it's not bad |
| 20:20.26 | chrget | Since it can do H.264, you can do extremely low bitrate video |
| 20:21.28 | chrget | If you leave off the audio, the 320x240@7.5fps you saw go as low as 1-2 kByte/s |
| 20:21.44 | chrget | Low enough even to work from a mobile |
| 20:22.00 | subdue | now that is low |
| 20:23.15 | subdue | what fps/etc were you using on the webcam? |
| 20:23.17 | chrget | Yeah, H.264 rocks |
| 20:23.53 | chrget | 320x240@7.5fps, as I said |
| 20:24.32 | subdue | ah, didnt know you were doing it at that setting |
| 20:24.37 | chrget | Half of the traffic of that stream was audio :) |
| 20:26.37 | subdue | you know, that makes me wonder |
| 20:26.49 | subdue | why is it webcams aren't set up that way? |
| 20:27.03 | subdue | at least from what I understand |
| 20:27.47 | chrget | Because H.264 is really really new |
| 20:27.52 | subdue | ah |
| 20:28.42 | subdue | ok, I've documented it on the page |
| 20:28.56 | subdue | if anyone asks me about it, I'm pointing to you |
| 20:29.10 | chrget | Then there's not that many people knowledgeable about stuff like live video streaming |
| 20:29.30 | subdue | I'm one of them |
| 20:29.40 | subdue | but you've piqued my curiosity |
| 20:29.55 | subdue | have you tried to hook up a webcam to the z? |
| 20:30.18 | chrget | No, since there is no simple way |
| 20:30.32 | chrget | The 5500 has no USB host |
| 20:30.59 | subdue | good point |
| 20:31.28 | subdue | hmm.. there was a guy that made something ...hmmm |
| 20:31.58 | chrget | I wouldn't expect it to be too productive, anyway |
| 20:32.21 | chrget | Video encoding needs a _lot_ of computing power |
| 20:32.27 | subdue | ok |
| 20:33.39 | subdue | WorldCam Viewer is NOT a streaming video player but it can display several frames per second using high speed connections. The speed at which images are displayed depends on your connection. |
| 20:33.52 | subdue | Earth Voyeur is NOT a streaming video player although it can display several frames per second provided that both the sender and receiver have high speed Internet connections. |
| 20:33.54 | chrget | With optimized code I would expect recent IWMMX enabled PXAs to possibly do H.263@10-15fps |
| 20:34.17 | subdue | looks like you're ahead of the game here |
| 20:34.47 | subdue | unfortunately, the source videos probably wouldnt be in H.264 |
| 20:34.49 | subdue | or whatever it was |
| 20:35.10 | chrget | Well, if you don't need compression, you can do with little CPU |
| 20:35.33 | chrget | But, as you said, then you need lots of bandwidth |
| 20:36.16 | subdue | might be fun to hook up a webcam via H.264 using vlc on both ends |
| 20:36.30 | subdue | such a tiny trickle |
| 20:37.22 | subdue | sheesh, so many issues with oz I keep reading on the forums |
| 20:39.03 | subdue | this guy is nuts http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=13852&pid=88380&st=0 |
| 20:39.31 | subdue | I guess as long as it works |
| 20:39.52 | subdue | would have preferred a less-sticking-out-connecter mod |
| 20:40.01 | subdue | the antenna, I understand |
| 20:41.46 | chrget | Well, I guess he needs his to be biggest |
| 20:44.50 | chrget | It's late ... I'm gonna call it a night |
| 20:45.11 | subdue | nite, thanks for the fun :) |
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| 21:26.01 | philip | has anyone got the trolltech rom working? I finally got mine flashed but I can't seem to install ipks |
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| 21:27.59 | subdue | same issue all of us had |
| 21:28.53 | subdue | I ended up using tkcrom for the 5500 |
| 21:29.06 | subdue | it's like a prune downed sharp rom |
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| 21:29.59 | philip | other than that it looks like a nice rom |
| 21:30.31 | philip | I'm sure TT will sort the package thing out, it's something to do with missing directories |
| 21:30.52 | subdue | if you manage to figure out why ipk's dont install, I'm sure many will be happy |
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| 21:35.19 | TheMaskedUnit | now thats a split |
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