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| 00:24.44 | wayne | raduga: but is it forever? |
| 01:10.17 | subdue | hrm. I forget who was trying to get zgcc working |
| 01:10.30 | subdue | whoever it was, it does work fine on the 6k, including qt |
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| 01:34.56 | subdue | now to figure out (hopefully) how to get a woman talking instead of that guy in flite |
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| 01:37.02 | wayne | why would you want a woman's voice? *wink* :) |
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| 04:38.57 | subdue | ok, woman's voice would require too much work |
| 04:39.00 | subdue | nix that idea |
| 04:45.21 | chrget | Morning you two |
| 04:45.42 | subdue | 2u2 |
| 04:46.06 | subdue | killefiz's been updating his website again |
| 04:47.17 | wayne | processing 6 months of accumulated inbox? |
| 04:47.33 | wayne | maybe he/she went on some veeeery long trip |
| 04:47.45 | subdue | 7 months worth I think |
| 04:48.05 | subdue | has a few things that I've not seen |
| 04:50.34 | chrget | Poor subdue ... having to explain to people what mplayer options are :) |
| 04:51.02 | subdue | yeah. made me feel rather helpless there |
| 04:53.22 | subdue | I have to admit that zplayer does have a few things that kino is missing |
| 04:53.52 | subdue | playlists and exiting a video doesnt mess up the screen |
| 04:54.08 | subdue | supposedly the new kino2 fixes that, when he releases it |
| 04:56.05 | chrget | With things being the way they are, it is highly unlikely I will get to run either one anytime soon |
| 04:56.57 | subdue | I wonder if I can get it to compile? |
| 04:59.13 | chrget | But then again my VLC and frontend do everything I need |
| 05:02.32 | subdue | heh |
| 05:04.21 | subdue | I've never compiled anything before, so it's more curiousity than anything else |
| 05:05.09 | chrget | In general or for the Z? |
| 05:05.15 | subdue | in general |
| 05:05.23 | subdue | well ... in dos days I did |
| 05:06.13 | subdue | haha, japanese comments in the code |
| 05:06.52 | subdue | I should have expected it |
| 05:07.26 | subdue | just laughing at myself for missing the obvious :) |
| 05:10.44 | wayne | man you need gentoo |
| 05:10.54 | subdue | I'm clueless on this, but curious enough to at least take a look at it |
| 05:11.02 | wayne | that'll cure your curiosity for compiling things right off! |
| 05:11.41 | wayne | and reading bash.org effectively prevents me fro'm getting any sleep done |
| 05:12.04 | wayne | or accumulated or whatever this that sleepig increases |
| 05:12.36 | subdue | I probably wont get very far of course |
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| 05:17.11 | subdue | interesting |
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| 06:44.05 | chrget | That microsoft/linux guy is really starting to become an annoying little twit |
| 06:44.49 | ljp | whos that? |
| 06:47.12 | chrget | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showuser=7225 |
| 06:47.48 | chrget | First he starts this major discussion about which model Z to get ... |
| 06:48.48 | chrget | And in the end it turns out he's a 16-year old that can't even afford a used 5500 from eBay |
| 06:49.46 | chrget | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=13803 |
| 06:50.58 | chrget | Mind you, after this thread: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=13111 |
| 06:51.36 | ljp | ya, been reading his threads. heh |
| 06:52.06 | chrget | Just the way he asks questions clearly indicates he wants everything served on a silver platter |
| 06:52.38 | ljp | typical for a ~16 yr old |
| 06:53.05 | chrget | I wouldn't go as far as to say that |
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| 08:07.33 | chrget | Hmmm, 137 downloads in 16 days ... |
| 08:07.55 | chrget | 73 ipks and 64 zips |
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| 08:08.44 | chrget | For that there's amazingly few people giving any kind of feedback :) |
| 08:37.25 | ljp | download what? |
| 08:38.11 | chrget | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=13518 |
| 08:41.00 | chrget | "I don't find a (free) cross compile environment that is not difficult to use for Qtopia ..." Huh? What on earh is he talking about? ( http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=13774 ) |
| 08:41.14 | chrget | earth, even |
| 08:57.26 | ljp | best way to learn! |
| 08:59.34 | ljp | ;) |
| 09:02.43 | chrget | The best way to learn is to make yourself at least marginally knowledgeable about the basics before you tinker with something, and the learn from your mistakes while you continue to read up on what it exactly is you are doing -- and at the same time refrain from asking people obvious questions and making uninformed blanket statements, IMNSHO |
| 09:03.09 | chrget | then, even. Sheesh, my typing sucks today. |
| 09:14.57 | rmrfchik | chrget: u r cacko (sharp) guy, yeah? is there opie-pim ported to this rom? |
| 09:16.59 | chrget | Actually I do my own thing, butchering Sharp 3.13 ... and I have no idea about the OPIE PIMs, since I use PIM/PI |
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| 09:19.26 | wallabee | hello |
| 09:19.26 | chrget | Hi |
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| 09:20.56 | chrget | Nothing like a netsplit to brighten your morning :) |
| 09:21.30 | wallabee | hi, i'm just new in this place, found a ref to this channel on oesf.org and was just wondering what was happening here |
| 09:22.02 | chrget | People idle ... all day long ;) |
| 09:23.31 | wallabee | that's interesting |
| 09:25.26 | wallabee | well if you don't mind i may just sit and idle along with you |
| 09:25.56 | chrget | Oh, be our guest, there's always room for one more ;) |
| 09:26.57 | wallabee | thank you very much ^^ |
| 09:27.44 | wallabee | chrget: do you, by any extraordinary chance, happen to possess if not regurlary use a zaurus computer... ? |
| 09:28.15 | chrget | Yeah, I have Collie (5500) |
| 09:29.20 | wallabee | oh, they even wear names |
| 09:30.12 | wallabee | then I guess I have a "Unassigned at the moment but I predict it will be Husky" |
| 09:30.50 | wallabee | not since long though and I don't know much about them yet |
| 09:32.15 | chrget | There's worse things in life ;) |
| 09:34.17 | wallabee | sometimes it's quite frustrating because I think I may have better things to do than digging the internet for (random pieces of) informations during this month of july |
| 09:34.38 | wallabee | but well |
| 09:34.46 | wallabee | and is your collie healthy ? |
| 09:34.54 | chrget | In that case you may have been expecting too much from the device. |
| 09:35.10 | chrget | Oh, it's doing quite well. |
| 09:35.28 | wallabee | maybe, i'm progressively being disappointed in fact |
| 09:36.46 | chrget | The Zauri are great little machines and can be taught virtually any trick. But if you expect them to sing and dance right when you take them out of the box, you'll be indeed disappointed. |
| 09:36.51 | wallabee | nice, and what kind of tricks did you learn him ? |
| 09:37.21 | wallabee | you're absolutely right |
| 09:38.05 | wallabee | well, I didn't exactly mean that |
| 09:38.41 | wallabee | I think it's a great little machine, and was probably expecting too much |
| 09:39.11 | chrget | The main things I want it to do on the road: Web access, IRC, EMail, play Media, offline reading and an occasional game, mostly. |
| 09:39.29 | chrget | And very rarely a bit of PIM :) |
| 09:40.01 | wallabee | I was in quest of determining precisely what kind of real world usage I could use it for, and the conclusion being that I will still need other devices in my pocket was what disappointed me a little |
| 09:40.52 | chrget | Understandable, especially if you paid an obscene amount of money like some people did (and do). |
| 09:41.27 | wallabee | same as you, I find it really great for web access. Not really convinced by email yet, thus got back with mutt but experience those annoying termcap issues |
| 09:42.04 | chrget | Annoying termcap issues? |
| 09:42.05 | wallabee | oh not that much, I found it was good deal actually |
| 09:42.35 | wallabee | inside various remote terms |
| 09:43.25 | chrget | You mean when logging on to the Z from an external host? |
| 09:43.27 | wallabee | don't remember exactly as I never really understood this termcap thing |
| 09:43.49 | wallabee | i mean when I log to a remote workstation where my mutt resides |
| 09:43.53 | wallabee | from my zaurus |
| 09:43.58 | chrget | Ah, ok. |
| 09:44.43 | chrget | I keep all of my email on the Z |
| 09:45.10 | wallabee | i'm not ready for this yet ^^ |
| 09:45.34 | chrget | Works quite well with a combination of masqmail, procmail, imap-server and mutt |
| 09:46.22 | chrget | And with the imap-server on the Z I can even access the mail easily using, say, Thunderbird from another network computer. |
| 09:46.38 | wallabee | interesting setup |
| 09:47.03 | wallabee | and where are your email stored ? on a SD memory ? |
| 09:47.32 | chrget | Yeah. |
| 09:48.04 | wallabee | what "imap-server" do you use ? |
| 09:48.28 | chrget | Oh sheesh, hold on, lemme check the source ... |
| 09:48.42 | wallabee | oh don't bother, that was just out of curiosity |
| 09:49.16 | chrget | "University of Washington IMAP toolkit" |
| 09:49.32 | wallabee | ok, usual one |
| 09:50.44 | wallabee | mmh |
| 09:52.14 | wallabee | you seem to have high trust on your zaurus device |
| 09:53.23 | chrget | Why wouldn't I? It's just another computer, nothing outlandish |
| 09:54.04 | wallabee | well because, er... |
| 09:55.01 | wallabee | I'm still considering it as a PDA right now |
| 09:55.18 | wallabee | I don't know much about it's reliability yet - but it's seem to be ok |
| 09:56.18 | wallabee | and since it's a handheld, it may still be lost or stolen |
| 09:57.01 | chrget | True. PGP or other crypted containers are your friend, obviously. |
| 09:57.31 | chrget | And just because it's in a PDA form factor doesn't mean it isn't a fully-blown computer. |
| 09:57.53 | chrget | Heck, I started out doing UNIX on machines a lot less powerful :) |
| 09:58.13 | chrget | Obviously you need to have a good backup strategy as well. |
| 09:59.51 | wallabee | when I said "PDA" i was mainly thinking about a device which will primarily serve as a "workstation" (or "pocket workstation"), rather than processing power issues |
| 10:01.06 | chrget | Well, PDA is a rather generic term, and can mean a lot of things to different people. |
| 10:01.18 | wallabee | I usually think of a workstation as something that may be lost/reinstalled/switched at any time, so that a disaster doesn't have much impact on my regular life |
| 10:01.40 | wallabee | but I admire your trust on your Z device ^^ |
| 10:01.52 | wallabee | s/on/toward/ |
| 10:02.57 | wallabee | right now I was thinking of working only from CVS checkout on the Z device, with regular commit to my primary remote workstation |
| 10:03.49 | wallabee | I was still concerned by the implications of a device loss though |
| 10:05.49 | wallabee | oh, maybe you have some hints, I was wondering whether there are some encrypted filesystems containers where I could store my work available for the zaurus ? |
| 10:06.02 | wallabee | I don't know much about linux either |
| 10:11.08 | wallabee | ...but that doesn't really matter ^^ |
| 10:12.24 | chrget | Sorry, customer phonecall |
| 10:13.32 | wallabee | no probs, what's your timezone ? |
| 10:13.41 | chrget | CEST |
| 10:14.12 | wallabee | oh |
| 10:14.28 | wallabee | like in France (<- home country) |
| 10:14.38 | chrget | No, more like in Germany ;) |
| 10:16.07 | wallabee | well it's evening here (JST), business hours are over |
| 10:16.19 | chrget | Anyway, haven't tried encrypted filesystems yet, might be worth a try using loop-AES on the Z though |
| 10:17.08 | wallabee | interesting, i take good note |
| 10:17.30 | chrget | Actually, I really should try that sometime soon |
| 10:17.55 | subdue | chrget: I usually try to give feedback in whatever I test if it's desired |
| 10:18.41 | chrget | Hi subdue ... that's you, yes, and what's with the other 134 people? ;) |
| 10:18.47 | subdue | no idea |
| 10:19.08 | subdue | however, if you have something, be assured if I play with it, I'd give some feedback :) |
| 10:19.18 | wallabee | hello subdue |
| 10:20.10 | chrget | Want to play with those? |
| 10:20.57 | subdue | actually, I have a dos program I'd like on my z |
| 10:21.02 | subdue | (family tree program) |
| 10:21.19 | subdue | so one day I'll definitely be playing with one of the emulators |
| 10:21.38 | chrget | Nothing wrong with liking old apps |
| 10:22.04 | subdue | there's no z substitute unfortunately |
| 10:22.06 | chrget | But if I really need to work with those, I should think about how to best do it. |
| 10:22.10 | subdue | and the linux ones I saw aren't that great |
| 10:22.39 | subdue | there's one on handago that has potential, but the author stopped working on it |
| 10:22.52 | chrget | And today that would be a good virtualization solution like VMWare et. al. |
| 10:23.08 | subdue | as for dos on the laptops, there's some distros that will work good |
| 10:23.18 | subdue | I believe it's called freedos |
| 10:24.03 | subdue | http://www.freedos.org/ |
| 10:24.05 | subdue | even has usb |
| 10:24.24 | chrget | I'm aware of freedos, but it still is probably a better solution to find a more permanent solution. |
| 10:24.47 | subdue | what do they need? |
| 10:25.43 | subdue | there's http://www.nu2.nu/bootdisk/network/ and http://www.bootdisk.com/ and so forth |
| 10:26.08 | subdue | http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ |
| 10:26.33 | subdue | etc etc etc |
| 10:26.56 | subdue | sorry, I'll stop :) |
| 10:27.20 | subdue | I looked into those things at one point is all |
| 10:27.50 | wallabee | ^^ |
| 10:29.37 | chrget | So there. :P |
| 10:29.44 | subdue | people keep telling me about pxe, but I never tried yet |
| 10:30.39 | chrget | I never was so amazed by it. Decent workstations have had the capability to boot via the network for almost decades now |
| 10:30.55 | chrget | But it works, and can be a neat trick :) |
| 10:30.59 | subdue | oh boy. another zplayer question again |
| 10:31.45 | subdue | sigh. maybe this guy will get it this time |
| 10:33.06 | chrget | That's the moment when I usually think "Me and my big mouth." :) |
| 10:33.22 | subdue | btw. batman begins I thought was the best of the batman movies |
| 10:35.44 | subdue | heh |
| 10:35.44 | chrget | Lemme see ... the last two movies I saw were Shrek 2 and My Big Fat Greek Wedding |
| 10:35.52 | chrget | That should tell you something :) |
| 10:37.12 | subdue | yup |
| 10:39.16 | chrget | And if I think about it, the last CD I bought was "30 + Kati" by Giannis Kotsiras |
| 10:39.47 | chrget | Which, incidentally, was one of two CDs I have bought so far this year. |
| 10:41.25 | chrget | So I'm completely outside of the mainstream, anyway. |
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| 10:45.12 | chrget | WTF ...? "I have setup this cross compiler already. With some scripts, which I wrote for me, its usable but not really comfortable or easy to use." |
| 10:46.26 | chrget | What do these people expect? Probably a compiler with speech recognition and artificial intelligence, i.e. the famed "Do as I mean"-UI |
| 10:52.31 | chrget | "Compiler!" "Yes, master?" (obviously in a female voice with a sexy lilt) "Build me ... uhm ... email for my Z!" "Yes master. Building arm ipks of masqmail, procmail, imapd and mutt now ..." |
| 10:59.59 | rmrfchik | compiler is not female. he is rough, unshaven guy |
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| 11:31.08 | wallabee | you may need a nap after all |
| 11:31.25 | chrget | Could be :) |
| 11:31.44 | ViV | remember "moon is a harsch mistress" by heinlein, compiler should be an androgyn 8) |
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| 12:02.44 | wayne | morning |
| 12:03.22 | chrget | Good afternoon wayne |
| 12:04.18 | wallabee | night |
| 12:04.33 | chrget | G'night wallabee |
| 12:05.16 | wallabee | oh I mean, it's only night |
| 12:05.21 | chrget | Ah, ok :) |
| 12:06.00 | wallabee | nighttime and sleeptime and not as related as it was once, i think |
| 12:06.17 | chrget | Not necessarily, true. |
| 12:06.36 | wallabee | and about your idea of tying to build a loop-aes for the Z, i agree with you it's a goot time ^^ |
| 12:09.11 | wayne | wallabee: a few years ago, i reunited slep and nighttime.. they haven't seen each other for q while |
| 12:10.32 | chrget | Well, so much for the kernel and the module |
| 12:11.22 | wallabee | wayne: for a long time I tried to, but i'm no more trying (given up ^^) |
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| 12:23.34 | chrget | Tsk, completely forgot that I was IRCing from the Z ;) |
| 12:24.57 | wayne | wallabee: why, do you work at night? |
| 12:24.59 | wallabee | that's what happens when hacking on your mission-critical workstation ^o^ |
| 12:25.22 | wayne | chrget: should setup a screen session on a server somewhere so that you can irc from anywhere without ever disconnecting irc :) That's what i do |
| 12:25.25 | chrget | #6 Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:19:26 +0200 ... looks like the new kernel flashed ok. |
| 12:25.36 | wayne | from home, from work, from my Z, all the same screen session |
| 12:26.31 | chrget | wayne, usually I do it the other way round :) |
| 12:26.47 | chrget | irc is running in a screen session on the Z :) |
| 12:26.50 | wallabee | wayne: that's what I wanted to do but I had charset issues because of the zaurus |
| 12:27.29 | wayne | chrget: heh but by doing the opposite, you end up with a perpetual session running that never gets disconnected! Same for my Instant Messaging, it's all running in a screen session of mey server, so i'm perpetually online :) |
| 12:27.48 | wallabee | chrget: I like your way of using your zaurus ^^ |
| 12:27.51 | wayne | wallabee: charset ?! what kind of problem? I'm french so i know a little about accents |
| 12:28.22 | wallabee | wayne: basically and being french too I wanted my accents to display properly |
| 12:29.33 | chrget | Problem with the Z is that AFAIK there is no decent console that really handles encodings |
| 12:29.33 | wayne | chrget: 1) get mesages from people who can't email 2) contribute to the semi-offline conversation si'm having on irc with my friends, we respond to tihng s others said when they're not there and vice-versa |
| 12:30.09 | wayne | wallabee: you know that's weird, i never noticed if the accents were there on the terminal or not |
| 12:30.15 | wayne | i don'T type them on the Z |
| 12:30.21 | chrget | wayne, I know why people do it. It's just not something for me |
| 12:32.04 | chrget | So far, so good. The new kernel no longer has loop built in. |
| 12:32.15 | wayne | loop? |
| 12:33.38 | wallabee | wayne: well actually it's mainly because of the term as stated by chrget. I at most could get it understand UTF-8 (not Latin1), and don't have a single font able to display both latin and japanese characters |
| 12:34.25 | wayne | heh |
| 12:34.30 | wayne | like a friend of mine always says |
| 12:34.43 | wayne | it's 2005, and we can'T get out fonts to render accents properly |
| 12:34.51 | wayne | civilisation is doomed |
| 12:36.43 | wallabee | well, I can but the setup is bothersome |
| 12:37.52 | chrget | Basically the Z is doing everything right, it being all UTF-8 |
| 12:38.10 | chrget | But all the console programs so far suck |
| 12:38.18 | chrget | None actually does UTF-8 |
| 12:38.33 | wayne | heh |
| 12:38.38 | wayne | i saaw worse |
| 12:38.49 | wallabee | I think I could get UTF-8 using qpe-embeddedkonsole-ja from http://kimux.org/liza/ |
| 12:38.52 | chrget | On top of that, AFAIK there is no console IRC program that will do UTF-8 |
| 12:39.08 | wallabee | what about irssi ? |
| 12:40.03 | chrget | Dunno ... you tell me. |
| 12:40.18 | wallabee | well, I think it can too |
| 12:40.19 | wayne | for windows, i have PieTTY over PuTTY, and these guys (authorsÉ) are chinese |
| 12:40.30 | wayne | so you have no idea the amount of hacks they went though to break everything up properly |
| 12:40.43 | wayne | irssi does utf-8 |
| 12:40.52 | chrget | Hmmm. Last time I checked, use of UTF-8 wasn't even in the IRC RFC ;) |
| 12:40.54 | wayne | it's a one line parameter |
| 12:41.18 | wayne | irc doesn't have anything to do with the data that it carries, no? |
| 12:41.29 | wayne | it's client to client encodings |
| 12:42.15 | chrget | That wasn't the impression I got from attempting to convince ircII to do UTF-8 |
| 12:42.31 | chrget | But I didn't delve into that |
| 12:42.42 | wayne | well as a test, me and a few friends all switched to utf-8 on this network |
| 12:42.45 | wayne | it was working fine |
| 12:42.53 | wayne | until someone that did not switch to utf-8 come along |
| 12:43.50 | chrget | Ok, so now I once again have an unencrypted loop device mounted ... |
| 12:44.39 | wallabee | wayne: didn't you said you had resolved your display of accents on your zaurus' term ? |
| 12:44.52 | chrget | Probably have to build more recent utils as well ... |
| 12:45.09 | wayne | wallabee: initially i think i said something like that, but then i revised myself remembering that since i don'T typer accents, i never noticed if i can see other people'S accents :/ |
| 12:45.25 | wayne | this whole utf-8 drift of the conversation was on non-aurus |
| 12:45.43 | wallabee | how unfortunate |
| 12:46.48 | wayne | hjave you tried qKonsole? |
| 12:47.07 | wallabee | I think I did, but was not really convinced |
| 12:47.19 | chrget | qKonsole sucks |
| 12:47.44 | wayne | hehe why ? |
| 12:48.05 | wayne | besides the default color i didn't see much difference between that and "terminal" |
| 12:48.07 | chrget | Its sequence handling is broken. |
| 12:48.19 | rmrfchik | anybody use pdaxrom rc10? |
| 12:48.48 | rmrfchik | should I do "Fix sharp loader NAND..."? |
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| 12:53.15 | chrget | Yup, definitely need to build patched util-linux |
| 13:01.20 | chrget | Now I'm not a big fan of autoconf/automake ... |
| 13:01.57 | chrget | But it's certainly better than people without a clue trying to whip up their own configure scripts. |
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| 13:20.16 | wayne | chrget: would you know (or any one else) of a way to map some hardware keys to a function that would act like an "alt-tab", bringing a different applicationg to the front and cycling tghrough then? |
| 13:20.48 | chrget | Nope. |
| 13:21.21 | wayne | allright :) I want find it annoying to have to get out the stylus only to switch to another application, i want more keybaord control! :) |
| 13:21.37 | rmrfchik | next try.... |
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| 13:33.11 | subdue | wayne: doesnt the middle key do that? |
| 13:33.22 | subdue | oh, you mean opened apps? |
| 13:33.50 | wayne | subdue: yeah! I often find myself with a few open apps that i was using with the keys, and to switch i have to open the lid, get the stylus... |
| 13:34.35 | chrget | http://www.langmaker.com/db/eng_thwap.htm |
| 13:35.11 | wayne | interesting dictionary |
| 13:35.16 | Wallabee | thanks |
| 13:36.19 | Wallabee | mmh |
| 13:37.09 | chrget | Now that I built that silly thing, I feel obliged to use it, too :) |
| 13:37.49 | chrget | That means reorganizing my entire Z ;) |
| 13:38.39 | chrget | And I was doing so well just with RAMdisk and gpg :) |
| 13:38.47 | wayne | haha :) |
| 13:43.29 | chrget | But yup, it's definitely working. |
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| 14:08.02 | Wallabee | sorry, phone call |
| 14:08.18 | Wallabee | chrget: so it's working ? that's great ^^ |
| 14:08.42 | chrget | Yup, working just fine. Even faster than I originally expected |
| 14:11.59 | Wallabee | i'll give it a try then |
| 14:12.10 | Wallabee | thanks for your efforts ^^ |
| 14:12.28 | chrget | No problem |
| 14:23.37 | wayne | Hours of fun. A friend of mine is trying to scam a scammer |
| 14:23.59 | wayne | the nigerian/zimbabwe investment money transfer 419 thingy |
| 14:24.04 | wayne | lots of fun :) |
| 14:24.10 | wayne | we apparently have his picture now |
| 14:24.18 | chrget | Heh |
| 14:24.19 | jdh41 | heh |
| 14:24.36 | chrget | With friends like that, who needs television? |
| 14:24.44 | jdh41 | gotta be careful that their friends don't get pissed off at you and come for a visit |
| 14:24.49 | wayne | chrget: exactly! :) |
| 14:25.25 | wayne | jdh41: it'S have to be worth the plane tickets |
| 14:29.28 | chrget | Well, that went horribly wrong. |
| 14:29.59 | wayne | chrget: what, you ended up with windows? |
| 14:30.08 | chrget | Yeah :) |
| 14:31.01 | chrget | Obviously I'm missing something w/regard to the mount command |
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| 14:40.05 | chrget | For some reason the Z is really annoyed if you replace the busybox-mount with a real one |
| 14:44.18 | chrget | Ah, looks like that silly mount command doesn't like /etc to be ro |
| 14:44.54 | chrget | Drat, should have read the docs :) |
| 14:45.07 | chrget | -n is my friend, it seems :) |
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| 14:57.04 | wayne | Baroque :) |
| 14:57.11 | wayne | /usr/bin/clavecin |
| 14:57.20 | wayne | no wait |
| 14:57.23 | wayne | that was french |
| 14:57.30 | wayne | harpsichord? |
| 14:59.18 | chrget | That reminds me ... haven't flashed my mobile in ages :) |
| 14:59.39 | chrget | I'm sure it feels left out :) |
| 15:00.13 | wayne | your mobile? mobile what? |
| 15:00.28 | chrget | phone |
| 15:00.56 | wayne | heh. I sent mine back to have them reflash it (with the same software) which apparently did fix the problem i was having (maybe) |
| 15:01.16 | chrget | Sounds like a Siemens ;) |
| 15:01.38 | wayne | sony ericsson |
| 15:01.45 | chrget | Close enough ;) |
| 15:01.46 | wayne | it'S actualy a vrey very good phone, the best i've had |
| 15:01.50 | wayne | i just had ONE little problem |
| 15:02.05 | wayne | the clock shown on the desktop and screensaver would stop randomly |
| 15:02.07 | Wallabee | (you guys do flash your mobile phone... ?) |
| 15:02.13 | wayne | this cost me two movies |
| 15:02.18 | wayne | Wallabee: if required |
| 15:02.36 | wayne | Wallabee: but you often need a cable which is a useless expensive if it's *just* to flash your phone |
| 15:03.14 | chrget | Set-Top-Boxes, phones, DVD-players, you name it :) |
| 15:03.26 | wayne | heh |
| 15:03.42 | wayne | i write software for embedded devices, which i flash myself, sinec i also design the flashing of it |
| 15:04.16 | chrget | Obviously, then :) |
| 15:04.23 | Wallabee | wayne: ok, this must explain why |
| 15:04.38 | wayne | chrget: makes sense doesn't it :) |
| 15:04.51 | Wallabee | chrget: still, I think you're crazy ^^ |
| 15:04.55 | chrget | Yeah, sleeping with a JTAG under your pillow, huh? |
| 15:05.43 | wayne | nah it's not jtag |
| 15:06.04 | wayne | i'm doing things much smaller |
| 15:06.28 | chrget | Hmmm, even AVRs can do JTAG these days |
| 15:06.37 | chrget | PICs? |
| 15:07.27 | wayne | Yup, good old fashioned grandma style country flavored pics |
| 15:07.31 | wayne | i love these thins |
| 15:07.50 | chrget | Never could get the hang of those |
| 15:08.01 | chrget | I have always been an AVR kinda guy |
| 15:08.12 | wayne | gotta get a good compiler and emulator for any fun |
| 15:08.28 | wayne | i bought ccs' pic-c and rfsolution's icepic emulator |
| 15:08.40 | chrget | COMPILER? BLASPHEMY! |
| 15:09.41 | wayne | my assembly collegue didn't trust what a compiler could do, so we spent a bit of time at the beginning to analyse how it all works out |
| 15:09.45 | wayne | and it's very, very good |
| 15:10.02 | wayne | besides, i'm doing ansi C, not anything fancy like c++ |
| 15:10.20 | wayne | which i prefer (c) for this type of application |
| 15:10.38 | chrget | c++ isn't fancy, it's a disease |
| 15:10.43 | chrget | But C is ok. |
| 15:10.48 | wayne | haha :) |
| 15:10.52 | wayne | i'll agree to that |
| 15:11.15 | wayne | yeh and given that the above mentioned compiler isn't being bloaty or insane, it gets the job well done |
| 15:12.17 | chrget | Still, anything with less than 64k of memory, I rather torture in assembler |
| 15:12.42 | wayne | hehe i'm not asm expert so I couldn't argue/agree with you |
| 15:12.56 | chrget | Past that, C is indeed the language of choice. |
| 15:13.21 | wayne | but my collegeu's has been plagued with scalability problems with his designs, and he has begun to learn C |
| 15:13.25 | wayne | recently |
| 15:14.03 | chrget | Well, make sure he stays on the right track |
| 15:14.16 | wayne | perhaps it's because he didn't do them the Good Assembly Way(tm), that's possible, but at least with my half-assed C programs we can get decent results in a good timeframe, and other coders can actually read it and understand what the code does (which is my biggest complaint about assembly) |
| 15:15.15 | chrget | _Any_ code should obviously be well-commented and -documented |
| 15:15.21 | wayne | jumping in an unkown asm program can take hours just to grasp the general concept of snippets of code, while C gives an easier learning curve to the new programmer |
| 15:15.29 | wayne | yeah well, yeah :) commetn and document |
| 15:15.33 | wayne | the sin of every programmer |
| 15:15.59 | chrget | I've seen C code that made stuff from the Obfuscated C Contest look ridiculous |
| 15:16.27 | wayne | yeah that's true |
| 15:16.36 | wayne | bad coders can mess up any structured language |
| 15:16.48 | wayne | do you read "the daily wtf" ? |
| 15:16.52 | chrget | There have been times where I have played with the idea of disassembling executables to find out that the §$*+# the code is actually doing |
| 15:17.15 | chrget | what the, even |
| 15:17.21 | chrget | Uhm, no I don't |
| 15:17.37 | wayne | you should, it's a good read for any programmer :) |
| 15:17.54 | wayne | http://thedailywtf.com/ |
| 15:18.12 | chrget | Reading ... lemme see ... isn't that something for people with time on their hands? ;) |
| 15:18.18 | chrget | Thanks. |
| 15:18.56 | wayne | no, it's for people who procrastinate :) |
| 15:19.37 | chrget | Well, Z's finally back on the right track. |
| 15:19.43 | chrget | That's good. |
| 15:20.22 | chrget | I knew there was a reason why I haven't upgraded busybox to 1.0.0 yet :) |
| 15:21.19 | chrget | If I ever decide to do that, I'll probably have to rewrite all of Sharp's scripts myself :) |
| 15:29.07 | chrget | Darn, I really should get that 2GB SD-Card |
| 15:29.59 | chrget | But it's still EUR 169 |
| 15:30.40 | wayne | omg i have to email pictures to a client to show him how to plug a connector |
| 15:31.09 | wayne | step 1: If leftie, use left hand, otherwise default to right hand. Approach the unit in a non-threatening way. Touch the wire gently, then firmlt |
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| 15:32.11 | chrget | You're doomed, wayne |
| 15:34.40 | Wallabee | chrget: isn't that "cheap" for such a card ? |
| 15:35.17 | chrget | Yeah, but still ... |
| 15:35.43 | chrget | Can't really justify that expense |
| 15:37.25 | Wallabee | i didn't knew 2GB SD cards were available, none of my local retailers seem to have them |
| 15:38.29 | chrget | That's odd, really. There's quite a few manufacturers making them these days. |
| 15:41.35 | Wallabee | i found one at last --> ~212eur |
| 15:41.52 | chrget | AFAIK at least Panasonic, PNY, Sandisk, Extrememory |
| 15:42.05 | chrget | Probably Kingston and Lexar, too. |
| 15:42.49 | Wallabee | that's odd |
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| 18:05.41 | TheMaskedUnit | good day all |
| 18:06.25 | TheMaskedUnit | ive been looking for a way to get some video on to my 5500 with the 3.13 rom, no luck. can anyone throw me a friggin bone here? |
| 18:08.49 | wayne | try ino2 |
| 18:08.55 | wayne | kino2 |
| 18:09.04 | wayne | comes with mplayer-w100 |
| 18:09.17 | wayne | should work with your unit, don'T know about speed though |
| 18:09.56 | TheMaskedUnit | i installed mplayer-w100 and kino2 mplayer would say illegal instruction, and kino2 said it doesnt support my model |
| 18:10.21 | wayne | oh, right, i think it has to do with some processor commands that are not supported on non-xscale units |
| 18:10.34 | wayne | hrm, i don'T really know then |
| 18:10.42 | wayne | have you tried chrget's vlc binaries? |
| 18:10.50 | TheMaskedUnit | nope |
| 18:11.41 | TheMaskedUnit | is it text based? |
| 18:12.18 | wayne | no idea |
| 18:12.22 | wayne | i guess so |
| 18:13.19 | zip| | yeah it is |
| 18:13.27 | raduga | the 5500 doesn't have a w100 |
| 18:13.47 | TheMaskedUnit | not sure what a w100 is |
| 18:14.04 | zip| | well i dont know about chrget's but the one from vlc themselves is |
| 18:15.09 | TheMaskedUnit | cool ill try it out, wish me luck! |
| 18:15.29 | wayne | Godspeed, nibbles. Godspeed. |
| 18:16.17 | TheMaskedUnit | when sharp released their 5500, saying it played mpeg 1 files, they sure didnt include any info on where to get files that would play on the device, or how to make files play on the stock rom >:| |
| 18:17.08 | wayne | just encode yourself a 320x240 mpeg1 file at 12~15fps |
| 18:17.34 | TheMaskedUnit | easier said then done, well i havent tried it yet, not sure even how to. |
| 18:17.37 | wayne | you can try taht along with the original sharp Mpeg Player or something |
| 18:17.39 | zip| | with no compression |
| 18:18.22 | wayne | a quick google should take care of that |
| 18:18.56 | zip| | no its just as easy to say as it is to do, tho doin it takes about 2 hrs longer than saying it |
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| 18:19.40 | TheMaskedUnit | lol. |
| 18:22.08 | subdue | zplayer for the front end might work |
| 18:22.14 | subdue | just get mplayer going |
| 18:22.20 | subdue | if not, then get vlc going |
| 18:22.51 | subdue | run mplayer or vlc from the command line first |
| 18:24.32 | zip| | vlc only runs from command line |
| 18:24.39 | zip| | they didnt compile a gui in |
| 18:27.19 | wayne | oh i know |
| 18:27.26 | wayne | get the old version 0.92 of mplayer |
| 18:27.43 | wayne | slower, but works without w100 |
| 18:28.00 | wayne | lots of ideas! you're set for the afternoon i'd say |
| 18:34.25 | subdue | zip|: actually he made one |
| 18:34.34 | subdue | zip|: chrget that is |
| 18:34.44 | zip| | oh yeah where? |
| 18:35.16 | wayne | zip|: oesf forums |
| 18:35.20 | subdue | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=13518&hl=vlc |
| 18:35.58 | zip| | i like subdue'S answer better |
| 18:37.08 | subdue | fortunately, I recalled the topic he started |
| 18:37.26 | subdue | it's not a fancy gui, but it's functional |
| 18:39.31 | subdue | I keep seeing this kind of thing: |
| 18:39.32 | subdue | (markt_): i'm trying to get the updated collie kernel working on my Z |
| 18:39.33 | subdue | (markt_): but i'm not having much success |
| 18:43.23 | zip| | someone should post screenshots of vlcplay in the thread |
| 18:45.03 | wayne | can the screenshot utility grab the framebuffer? |
| 18:45.23 | zip| | dont know |
| 18:46.22 | TheMaskedUnit | got vlcplay installed, tried out a couple of different mpeg's, wmv's and an uncompressed video, none of them really played, a couple frames here and there, that was about it. i guess this hardware just really isnt video playback material. |
| 18:47.03 | wayne | it is insanely important to make sure your original video files are compatible |
| 18:47.06 | subdue | not much of a screenshot |
| 18:47.16 | subdue | just the word "File" in the upper left corner |
| 18:47.22 | wayne | grabbing wmv's here and there might be worth nothing if they take too much juice to decompress |
| 18:47.23 | zip| | oh heh |
| 18:47.26 | TheMaskedUnit | yes, great gui! :) |
| 18:47.34 | wayne | to get video in the Zaurus, one *must* consider encoding it properly |
| 18:47.37 | subdue | I'd try zplayer if he can get mplayer going |
| 18:47.42 | wayne | i've done just that monday night and it works perfectly |
| 18:47.53 | TheMaskedUnit | i reencoded them to 320x240 at 500kbs |
| 18:48.01 | wayne | 500kbs is insane |
| 18:48.23 | wayne | i mean, 5000kbs s too great of a value :) |
| 18:48.31 | TheMaskedUnit | should i go lower? |
| 18:48.34 | wayne | (i must watch my adjectives) |
| 18:48.34 | zip| | 128 |
| 18:48.39 | wayne | much, MUCH lwoer |
| 18:48.48 | wayne | what framerate did you use ? |
| 18:48.52 | TheMaskedUnit | oh wow, that isnt going to be good quality |
| 18:49.02 | TheMaskedUnit | i tried from 15 to 29 |
| 18:49.24 | wayne | actually, it can be pretty good |
| 18:49.29 | wayne | lower that to 12.5 fps |
| 18:49.41 | wayne | or 15 if the source is ntsc |
| 18:50.01 | subdue | I have some stuff at 32. haven't tested it yet |
| 18:50.05 | subdue | lots of action |
| 18:50.09 | TheMaskedUnit | i can play a dvd vob from from my 1gb sd card on my laptop just fine |
| 18:50.29 | zip| | your zaurus is _not_ your laptop |
| 18:50.31 | subdue | that's a laptop |
| 18:50.50 | subdue | different video chip, different cache, different bandwidth |
| 18:51.06 | subdue | your laptop can handle more fps than a pda type device |
| 18:51.17 | TheMaskedUnit | i know :) |
| 18:51.49 | TheMaskedUnit | ill try bringing the quality way down, way way down. |
| 18:51.58 | wayne | TheMaskedUnit: try encoding in XviD at a low bitrate, 12.5fps, 320x240 with a quick audio codec, should get something very nice. |
| 18:52.20 | wayne | i did a 6 minutes clip and watched it entirely on the Z |
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| 18:57.32 | chrget | Guess I missed something having dinner :) |
| 18:57.34 | subdue | blame chrget! |
| 18:57.44 | subdue | he's in charge of the gui :) |
| 18:57.53 | chrget | :p |
| 18:57.56 | subdue | chrget: they said you should have a screenshot there |
| 18:58.03 | chrget | Yeah, right :) |
| 19:00.51 | chrget | Sometimes I really wonder what people expect from a 206 MHz CPU that doesn't even have a floating point unit |
| 19:01.26 | chrget | And no SIMD instructions worth talking about |
| 19:01.49 | subdue | a fpu fast library? |
| 19:01.54 | wayne | I wish KDEPIM/pi was just a weeeeeeeeeeee bit faster though |
| 19:02.01 | wayne | overthing else is just fine the way it is |
| 19:02.15 | subdue | not everything |
| 19:02.15 | wayne | with my pxa250 "riced" unit |
| 19:02.22 | subdue | need more juice! |
| 19:02.27 | wayne | :) |
| 19:02.42 | chrget | Obviously people expect it to play Apples HDTV movie trailers in real time |
| 19:02.58 | subdue | more like a fast load without chewing up the memory |
| 19:02.58 | wayne | yeah |
| 19:03.07 | wayne | did you hear about my latest hack? |
| 19:03.24 | wayne | Through some clever function aclls, i can output DVI through the headphones connector |
| 19:04.00 | subdue | that'd be cool |
| 19:04.43 | subdue | now if you can just get a video cable to fit in the headphone jack ... |
| 19:05.40 | chrget | Heh |
| 19:09.05 | chrget | I think the next version of the GUI will force the user to read what to expect the first time he runs it |
| 19:09.31 | zip| | how many frames u get out of that wayne? |
| 19:09.50 | chrget | And once he's done, he has to answer random questions before every file played :) |
| 19:10.08 | subdue | I wonder how zbedic did the directory search? |
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| 19:18.52 | wayne | find | grep maybe? |
| 19:19.31 | wayne | As an admin who's frustrated about users not reading stuff from the screen, we shoould make programs like: |
| 19:19.49 | wayne | "Answering YES indicates you're an idiot." -> [Yes] [Cancel] |
| 19:19.55 | wayne | and then run stats on the results of this dialog |
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| 19:21.20 | Bam-BamIR | morning |
| 19:22.06 | Bam-BamIR | anyone know how to change the color of qtopia's taskbar? and tabs? I hate this grey whatever m$ color |
| 19:22.43 | subdue | settings, themes |
| 19:22.50 | subdue | or appearance |
| 19:22.57 | subdue | depending on your distro |
| 19:23.40 | Bam-BamIR | appearance seems to not...change anything |
| 19:23.57 | Bam-BamIR | maybe have to manually change the color |
| 19:33.51 | TheMaskedUnit | has anyone paid $10 for the WorldCam Earth Voyer? thats a bit spendy for a webcam viewer, is there an alternative? |
| 19:35.34 | subdue | sounds weird to want a webcam on the z |
| 19:35.44 | subdue | esp since you'd need a network connection too |
| 19:37.21 | TheMaskedUnit | well what if you had a webcam setup of you appartment, and you wanted to check in on it somewhere with a wifi connetion? :) |
| 19:38.33 | subdue | too much work |
| 19:39.11 | chrget | Naaah. Nothing that VLC can't do at both ends |
| 19:41.11 | TheMaskedUnit | viewing a webcam with vlc? how about with vlcplayer? |
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| 19:43.03 | TheMaskedUnit | how would one go about viewing a webcam with vlc at the command prompt? |
| 19:43.48 | TheMaskedUnit | heh. damn. |
| 19:44.38 | chrget | Use VLC on the cam side to stream live video, and on the viewer side to connect to and display the resulting stream. |
| 19:45.22 | chrget | The docs on http://www.videolan.org/ have all the details about it. |
| 19:45.24 | wayne | i'D just publish the webcam on a webpage and use my webbrowser to view the webimages |
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| 19:45.42 | wayne | (for something simple) |
| 19:46.28 | TheMaskedUnit | take a look at this! someones trying to sell sharp sl-5500's for $900!! http://ishinemax.com.sg/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=40 |
| 19:47.25 | TheMaskedUnit | maybe i can sell them mine for $500 :) |
| 19:48.21 | subdue | shrug if that's the case, then just use a web browser to find the webcam |
| 19:49.10 | wayne | only 899,99$ |
| 19:49.12 | wayne | let's groupbuy |
| 19:49.58 | wayne | we should calculate the exchange rate with singapore dollars though |
| 19:50.24 | wayne | 531$US |
| 19:54.02 | TheMaskedUnit | well thats not as extreme as $900us but thats still robbery :) |
| 19:55.41 | wayne | i guess it's worth a lot in singapore.. checkout the Visor Edge :) |
| 19:55.54 | wayne | or the treo at what, 1200$SGD |
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| 20:05.03 | chrget | Well, anybody wants to try can point their VLC at http://dolmadakia.homeip.net:9999/ |
| 20:05.33 | wayne | i'l try in an hour, if you'Re still there |
| 20:05.56 | chrget | Keep in mind that it's night and thus the nasty Logitech monster produces lotsa noise |
| 20:06.04 | TheMaskedUnit | havent really used vlc, how would i go about doing this in the terminal? |
| 20:06.40 | chrget | Depends. In the simplest case just vlc <URL> |
| 20:07.32 | zip|_ | yeah that didnt work |
| 20:10.14 | chrget | Well, seems to work for _someone_ |
| 20:10.16 | wayne | i know the food industry is aggressive in the marketing |
| 20:10.25 | wayne | but having a buffet assimilate us all, that's a bit over the top |
| 20:11.33 | chrget | Whoever is at 198.79.109.131 is getting a lot of data |
| 20:13.19 | chrget | Ah, that's subdue |
| 20:13.26 | chrget | Gotcha :) |
| 20:15.12 | TheMaskedUnit | cool it works |
| 20:15.38 | TheMaskedUnit | nice webcam setup on the zaurus..for me to poop on! |
| 20:16.05 | chrget | ? |
| 20:16.44 | TheMaskedUnit | couldnt help quote the great Triumph insult comic dog. |
| 20:19.39 | chrget | Should even be some audio in there |
| 20:21.13 | wayne | will we get to see your yawn? |
| 20:21.39 | wayne | =) |
| 20:23.31 | chrget | Well, enough peep show for now |
| 20:25.50 | chrget | Especially since subdue seems completely enraptured by the moving images ;) |
| 20:26.52 | wayne | ehehehehe |
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| 20:42.50 | subdue | pop it up again please? |
| 20:45.51 | subdue | guess he went to bed :) |
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| 21:41.20 | subdue | just found out from the other channel that tkc is selling textmaker |
| 21:41.28 | subdue | plus it's at the 24.95 price |
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