| 01:04.52 | subdue | http://www.users.on.net/~hluc/myZaurus/custom.html |
| 01:05.01 | subdue | he's got a crazy page full of modifications |
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| 01:36.21 | subdue | what's even more amazing is he's doing this all on the sharp rom from what I see |
| 01:37.09 | koyote | wow |
| 01:37.10 | koyote | nice |
| 01:37.16 | koyote | yeah, that might be worthwhile |
| 01:37.53 | subdue | dang pages are over 38 pages long |
| 01:38.36 | subdue | if you're going to dl his usbauto, it's 0.2 instead of 0.1 |
| 01:40.42 | koyote | this is nice, though i don't have a 3000 |
| 01:40.46 | koyote | i've been debating. |
| 01:41.11 | koyote | 3000 or 3100. the obsd port works on the 3000, and who knows when they will decide to port to 3100 after it comes out |
| 01:42.24 | koyote | i could stay with pdaxrom, but i'd have to accept the fact that i'm going to be running unsupported forever since i'll be recompiling my stuff |
| 01:44.18 | subdue | "For reading, I prefer Opie-reader by Tim Wentford, which can communicate with ZBedic by Latchesar Ionkov for very convenient lookup of unknown words." |
| 01:44.27 | subdue | wayne: any idea how one does this? |
| 01:50.20 | koyote | whoa. |
| 01:50.22 | koyote | qpose? |
| 01:50.40 | koyote | i can do my palm dev stuff on my z |
| 01:50.42 | koyote | wow |
| 01:50.59 | subdue | tell me you aren't impressed with this guy? |
| 01:51.08 | koyote | that's still obviously going to be limited to palmos4, but who cares |
| 01:51.18 | koyote | yeah, it's good good great effort and docco |
| 01:51.45 | subdue | it's taken me all afternoon to go through that page |
| 01:51.53 | koyote | i'm just skimming |
| 01:52.40 | subdue | my brain is tired from reading all of it |
| 01:53.24 | koyote | yeah |
| 01:58.06 | koyote | i would pick a 3000 over any others just for that. |
| 01:58.23 | koyote | but i could assume that any of this should work reasonably well with the 3100, of course |
| 01:58.52 | subdue | of course |
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| 02:20.42 | raduga | koyote: wait, and get a 3100 |
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| 02:46.57 | subdue | wayne: opiereader is indeed very nice. thanks |
| 02:49.48 | Luke-Jr | except that it needs opie... |
| 02:50.25 | subdue | um ... no ... ? |
| 02:51.01 | subdue | I'm using it on my sharp rom |
| 02:51.09 | subdue | no dependencies what so ever |
| 02:51.15 | Luke-Jr | opie, qtopia... same thing almost |
| 02:52.26 | subdue | he has versions for sharp, opie (gcc 2x and 3x) |
| 02:54.55 | Luke-Jr | still Qt/E junk |
| 02:55.18 | subdue | shrug |
| 02:56.05 | koyote | oi |
| 02:56.25 | koyote | raduga: if the only reason why is the case and the flash, is it worth the extra $75? |
| 02:57.16 | Luke-Jr | koyote: the flash size allows you to put most (if not all) of the OS in it |
| 02:57.52 | koyote | i'm not certain i am really desperately worried about that, though |
| 02:58.17 | Luke-Jr | Flash is faster than the HD |
| 02:58.27 | koyote | i will probably be very angry for a few months and ultimately eventually glad, but..... |
| 02:59.27 | koyote | those couple of months will be a pisser |
| 03:03.56 | subdue | let's put it this way |
| 03:04.07 | subdue | what's $75 compared to the entire price? |
| 03:04.18 | subdue | if it was half the cost, then yes, it's much |
| 03:04.19 | koyote | > 10% |
| 03:04.38 | koyote | it's the cost of a wireless card and a month of espresso |
| 03:04.55 | koyote | i'm undecided |
| 03:05.05 | subdue | either way, wait till it's out |
| 03:05.13 | subdue | it isn't out yet, right? |
| 03:05.31 | koyote | and i hear your arguments- and they make sense (well, except i don't run much off of flash because i compile all my own tools with manpages and other real linux stuff) |
| 03:05.52 | subdue | if you wait, when it comes out, the 3000 price will drop |
| 03:06.14 | subdue | so no matter what, I'd wait |
| 03:06.35 | koyote | well, i'm actually not buying for probably 3 more weeks |
| 03:06.38 | koyote | give or take |
| 03:06.52 | subdue | heh ... lots can happen in a month |
| 03:07.09 | koyote | oh, i know |
| 03:07.10 | subdue | maybe the nokia 770 will look juicer |
| 03:07.15 | koyote | i'm just debating. |
| 03:07.20 | subdue | as would I |
| 03:07.24 | koyote | no, the 770 will not be a laptop replacement |
| 03:07.30 | subdue | what that guy did with the 3000 is crazy |
| 03:07.33 | koyote | the 9500 is more tempting |
| 03:07.41 | subdue | well, $350 is cheap |
| 03:09.16 | koyote | yeah, it's just... it's a great pda for the zaurus, but not a zaurus replacer |
| 03:10.10 | koyote | i could seriously go fr a rex or something, though. |
| 03:10.55 | subdue | what makes it harder is the choices are increasing |
| 03:11.07 | subdue | for me, for now I'm satisfied with my 6k |
| 03:11.33 | koyote | i'm *almost* satisfied with the 6k |
| 03:11.40 | koyote | it's really delicious, but.... |
| 03:11.41 | subdue | which os? |
| 03:11.47 | koyote | pdaxrom |
| 03:11.49 | subdue | ah |
| 03:12.05 | koyote | it has native x, i can make emacs work |
| 03:12.09 | koyote | i'm mostly happy |
| 03:12.14 | subdue | I saw an emacs for the Z |
| 03:12.24 | subdue | dunno where though |
| 03:12.39 | subdue | but it does exist |
| 03:12.45 | koyote | uemacs |
| 03:13.00 | koyote | this is full version of 21.4 - which means all the regular stuff cna be done |
| 03:13.02 | subdue | http://elsix.org/index.php?w=project&p=790 |
| 03:13.22 | koyote | the 'pda' emacs stuff isn't capable of the full extendability |
| 03:13.34 | subdue | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=77149&release_id=149088 |
| 03:13.47 | koyote | yeah |
| 03:13.54 | koyote | ueamcs isn't quite emacs |
| 03:13.57 | subdue | ok |
| 03:14.00 | koyote | it's a good editor, though |
| 03:14.13 | koyote | but i'm after the full elisp extensibility |
| 03:14.21 | subdue | to do devel stuff? |
| 03:14.21 | koyote | planner-mode, calendar, bbdb, gnus |
| 03:14.27 | koyote | pim stuff :) |
| 03:14.32 | subdue | ah. the huge stuff |
| 03:14.34 | koyote | emacs doesa lot |
| 03:15.26 | koyote | but yeah, the huge stuff |
| 03:15.35 | subdue | heh .. almost like a kde |
| 03:15.37 | koyote | emacs makes a very good pda os, and is fast :) |
| 03:17.39 | subdue | http://xqt.sourceforge.jp/screenshot.html |
| 03:18.15 | subdue | All screen shots are on Sharp Zaurus SL-C760. |
| 03:18.32 | koyote | i was reading about that on the 3000 page |
| 03:18.57 | koyote | assuming compiling emacs locally would work, i might even consider using the sharp rom..... |
| 03:19.04 | subdue | it's amazing the work on that stuff |
| 03:19.21 | koyote | yeah |
| 03:19.23 | koyote | i am, too |
| 03:23.26 | koyote | i am amazed, that is |
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| 03:37.46 | euphem | how does c3k batter life compare to c1k ? |
| 03:37.59 | koyote | we don't know :) |
| 03:38.19 | koyote | unless someone here has both and isn't talking about it. |
| 03:38.36 | euphem | haha |
| 03:38.42 | euphem | i thought the pdaxrom guys had both |
| 03:39.21 | euphem | anyone here from phoenix? |
| 03:40.11 | euphem | is the screen the greatest battery drainer |
| 03:40.13 | euphem | or wifi? |
| 03:42.06 | koyote | what wifi card? |
| 03:42.10 | koyote | and which model? |
| 03:42.15 | koyote | and what about the hard drive? |
| 03:42.23 | koyote | i used to live in phoenix, why? |
| 03:42.30 | koyote | what usage style? |
| 03:42.42 | koyote | mplayer or vi? are you running swap? |
| 03:43.09 | koyote | are you using an sd card acitively, usb wifi or cf wifi? is infrared on? |
| 03:43.57 | koyote | how many charge cycles? |
| 03:44.02 | koyote | what's the ambient temperature? |
| 03:44.04 | koyote | what rom? |
| 03:44.33 | koyote | you are asking for people to give you off the cuff answers to things that aren't very easy to answer without a LOT of work. |
| 03:44.57 | euphem | i need someone to check up on an address for me in phoenix |
| 03:45.03 | koyote | check up on? |
| 03:45.07 | euphem | yeah |
| 03:45.16 | euphem | i need to know if it's an apartment or a house |
| 03:45.32 | koyote | dude, i've been avoiding saying this, but you might have better results if you didn't go stalker mode *24* *hours* after an auction ends |
| 03:45.47 | koyote | and then keep it up day in day out for over a week |
| 03:45.49 | euphem | it's not 24 hours after the end of the auction |
| 03:46.03 | euphem | it's about 2 weeks after the auction |
| 03:46.09 | koyote | that's when you started freaking out and trying to cancel money orders and stuff |
| 03:46.18 | euphem | yeah |
| 03:46.20 | euphem | and i really should have |
| 03:46.28 | euphem | well, actually i couldn't |
| 03:46.35 | euphem | it's not like i was wrong |
| 03:46.58 | euphem | the seller said they shipped priority mail last saturday |
| 03:48.16 | koyote | no delivery confirmation, though |
| 03:48.19 | koyote | ? |
| 03:48.23 | koyote | no insurance? |
| 03:48.28 | euphem | yes they refused to provide a tracking number |
| 03:48.37 | koyote | that's not *quite* the same thing |
| 03:48.51 | euphem | they said they would refund my money, and then never did |
| 03:48.52 | koyote | was there or was there not either delivery confirmation or insurance? |
| 03:48.57 | euphem | they won't answer e-mail or phone anymore |
| 03:49.03 | koyote | well, honestly |
| 03:49.12 | koyote | i dunno if i would, either. |
| 03:49.19 | koyote | you scare me as an ebay seller |
| 03:49.25 | euphem | on a $500 item, if you're seller, you have tracking |
| 03:49.33 | koyote | not necessarily. |
| 03:49.36 | euphem | ok |
| 03:49.38 | euphem | if you're a dumbass |
| 03:49.41 | euphem | you don't have tracking |
| 03:49.46 | koyote | *Shrug* |
| 03:49.46 | euphem | but any responsible seller has tracking |
| 03:49.59 | koyote | that's your interpretation of responsible |
| 03:50.10 | koyote | *mine* is to automatically insure ANYTHING over $100 |
| 03:50.24 | koyote | but you *still* scare me, as a seller |
| 03:50.27 | euphem | well, there's no point in insuring it if they never sent it |
| 03:50.35 | koyote | that's a big if |
| 03:50.40 | euphem | if they sent it? |
| 03:50.48 | euphem | priority mail takes 7+ days to arrive? |
| 03:50.56 | koyote | i've had it take longer. |
| 03:51.02 | euphem | and today they reversed position again saying they wolud give me a refund |
| 03:51.04 | koyote | the post office isn't perfect. |
| 03:51.09 | euphem | after they already lied about sending it? |
| 03:51.16 | koyote | you need to slow down and LET them refund. |
| 03:51.31 | euphem | i've given them over a week to refund my money |
| 03:51.37 | koyote | you spina round so fast i'd never be able to get to the bank between harassments |
| 03:52.07 | euphem | spin? |
| 03:52.21 | koyote | spin, agitate, dance, frustrated action. |
| 03:52.28 | euphem | for the last 10 days i've been asking for 1 thing - a refund |
| 03:52.29 | koyote | look at your irc logs. |
| 03:52.32 | euphem | i'm not the one spinning |
| 03:52.49 | koyote | okay, you are the calm and ratinal one. |
| 03:52.52 | koyote | that's fine. |
| 03:52.56 | koyote | i've got to go now. |
| 03:54.14 | koyote | i've got one negative feedback in two years |
| 03:54.20 | koyote | because of a case like that. |
| 03:55.28 | koyote | emailed me 6 times in 30 minutes and left negative feedback for not responding fast enough, tracked down my cellphone and started calling me for tracking updates 4 times a day. *after* leaving me negative feedback |
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| 04:28.02 | koyote | geeez, this is almost enough to tempt me to try reloading the sharp rom on my 6000 |
| 04:30.56 | subdue | ? |
| 04:33.21 | koyote | to see if all this stuff can be done on the 6k |
| 04:33.23 | koyote | :) |
| 04:34.36 | subdue | ah |
| 04:34.41 | subdue | yes, it's a bit tempting |
| 04:34.48 | subdue | the more I read, the more I wanted |
| 04:44.40 | koyote | yeah. i'd have to reformat, of course. |
| 04:44.50 | koyote | and find the latest sharp rom for the 6k |
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| 04:49.38 | subdue | http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=6000_ROMs&PHPSESSID=dd5804d0bc9c8da8a5e8f1e05b477666 |
| 04:56.32 | koyote | hrm |
| 04:57.06 | koyote | cool |
| 04:57.23 | koyote | well, since i probably eventually have to sell the thing anyway |
| 04:59.48 | koyote | okay, there's a lot going on there |
| 05:00.36 | koyote | let's see... back in the old sharp rom days, what could i not initially do? |
| 05:00.52 | koyote | usb storage. emacs. |
| 05:00.55 | koyote | kismet. |
| 05:01.02 | koyote | gcc |
| 05:01.18 | koyote | this was also like, 2 weeks after the 6k came out |
| 05:02.37 | koyote | i do kinda miss a few of the bilt in apps |
| 05:10.55 | Luke-Jr | koyote: I don't see anything on that website particularly amazing... |
| 05:11.20 | koyote | which website? |
| 05:11.49 | koyote | (there's 3 in question, you see) |
| 05:11.51 | Luke-Jr | the one you're talking about, I presume |
| 05:11.58 | Luke-Jr | I don't remember which one I saw |
| 05:12.29 | koyote | the big 38 page list of stuff a guy manaed on his 3000? |
| 05:13.13 | Luke-Jr | that sounds about right |
| 05:13.16 | koyote | well, you don't have to see anything amazing about it :) i'm sure it's just the basic production of what the average user does. |
| 05:14.00 | koyote | but i still find it quite cool and 6000% more helpful and useful than most zaurus pages |
| 05:14.15 | koyote | that's just my opinion, it's not something you are required to share, though |
| 05:14.16 | Luke-Jr | there are Zaurus pages other than OESF and ZUG? =p |
| 05:14.45 | koyote | well, obviously |
| 05:14.56 | koyote | http://www.users.on.net/~hluc/myZaurus/custom.html |
| 05:15.50 | pgas | well, it is a nice compilation of what can be found on oesf.org/forums |
| 05:15.57 | pgas | ;) |
| 05:16.47 | koyote | i am not fond of forums as a technical howto archive, but i've been over that :) |
| 05:20.34 | pgas | koyote: I think everything can be done on your 6000 with a micro-hd |
| 05:20.52 | koyote | i have the 2gb microdrives, yeah |
| 05:21.30 | koyote | it's.. tempting to try. not that i am really unsatisfied with pdaxrom, but. well, i'd like to se stock emacs 21 on the sharp rom, too |
| 05:21.49 | koyote | handwriting recognition and emacs.... |
| 05:22.06 | pgas | I've seen it ;) |
| 05:22.11 | pgas | it works well |
| 05:22.33 | pgas | not as smooth as in pdaxrom, but it works well |
| 05:22.59 | koyote | it is really smooth in pdaxrom. |
| 05:23.02 | pgas | bot that oz/gpe has a nice handwriting recognition: rosetta |
| 05:23.16 | pgas | s/bot/note/ |
| 05:23.21 | koyote | i've been working on a better menu setup for the zaurus, too |
| 05:23.41 | koyote | because you really need a larger font and less stuff in it |
| 05:23.42 | pgas | http://www.handhelds.org/project/rosetta/ |
| 05:23.54 | Luke-Jr | koyote: font size is too big, if anything... |
| 05:24.10 | koyote | in my emacs menu? |
| 05:24.13 | koyote | oh |
| 05:24.14 | Luke-Jr | dunno |
| 05:24.17 | Luke-Jr | in general on Z |
| 05:24.17 | koyote | well, what font size is it? |
| 05:24.20 | koyote | ah |
| 05:24.22 | koyote | okay. |
| 05:24.27 | Luke-Jr | 10 or 12 by default |
| 05:24.31 | Luke-Jr | I usually set mine to 8 |
| 05:24.58 | pgas | Luke-Jr: you use oz/gpe? |
| 05:25.03 | koyote | well, the thing is, with menuing, you also need to be able to rapidly select the options with a stylus |
| 05:25.11 | Luke-Jr | pgas: I use my fork of oz/gpe |
| 05:25.18 | koyote | that's easier with a large enugh font to give you more than 7 pixels to hit |
| 05:25.23 | Luke-Jr | koyote: hence why I don't use menus |
| 05:25.51 | koyote | i don't often, but having a 6000, with emacs 21.4, i sometimes find that some menu options are desirable |
| 05:25.59 | Luke-Jr | pgas: http://utopios.org/~luke-jr/programs/oz-ljr/ |
| 05:26.14 | koyote | since this is the case, i would prefer to rework the menu options and font size to make it easier to use. |
| 05:26.28 | Luke-Jr | can't be overly good an interface if it requires mouse usage |
| 05:26.36 | koyote | it does not. |
| 05:26.48 | koyote | as you said, you don't know what the interface is like |
| 05:27.03 | Luke-Jr | so why not use the kb? |
| 05:27.08 | pgas | Luke-Jr: on/off button is working? |
| 05:27.09 | koyote | *optional* mouse/stylus capabilities don't really equate to *required* |
| 05:27.18 | Luke-Jr | pgas: always has... tho I hear not on C750 |
| 05:27.19 | koyote | oh, satan's nuts |
| 05:27.42 | koyote | because sometimes. it is easier. when performing certain quick tasks. to use the stylus. |
| 05:27.44 | pgas | koyote: wait for your clamshell, you will hate the stylus :) |
| 05:27.46 | Luke-Jr | pgas: Mic doesn't work with 2.6 kernels, tho |
| 05:28.05 | pgas | Luke-Jr: never tried the mic so it's ok ;) |
| 05:28.07 | koyote | fanatics and their fascism! ayi |
| 05:28.21 | koyote | pgas: heh. i have a touchscreen on my laptop ;) |
| 05:28.53 | koyote | you assign values of useless and evil universally an awful lot. |
| 05:29.04 | pgas | koyote: I'm no fanatic ie don't use ratpoison an such |
| 05:29.16 | koyote | don't try to be god, kay? |
| 05:29.27 | koyote | pgas: heh. i won't touch ratpoison :) |
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| 05:29.44 | koyote | but you weren't telling me menus were useless, either |
| 05:29.46 | Luke-Jr | koyote: evil is part of the universal truth |
| 05:29.55 | Luke-Jr | koyote: regardless of whether I know it properly |
| 05:29.59 | pgas | but the fact is i find it ennoying to have to take my stylus |
| 05:31.18 | pgas | lucky you, I can't do that.... |
| 05:31.37 | pgas | allways select half of the screen |
| 05:31.48 | Luke-Jr | heh, I don't do it for selection =p |
| 05:32.05 | pgas | me neither! :) |
| 05:32.08 | Luke-Jr | just for quicklaunching and such |
| 05:32.10 | Luke-Jr | lol |
| 05:32.45 | pgas | for quick launching I prefer Menu key + arrow keys |
| 05:33.13 | koyote | yeah |
| 05:33.28 | koyote | i don't lke to use the stylus often, but there are times when it is good |
| 05:33.42 | koyote | and it's much better when you tweak ui to make it work nicely |
| 05:34.16 | koyote | i also have developed a nice chopstick stylus holding technique that doesn't uinterfere with my typing |
| 05:34.25 | koyote | since i have a touchscreen laptop |
| 05:34.37 | Luke-Jr | I thumb-type |
| 05:34.41 | pgas | yep but for instance I find it rather difficult to click on links with the stylus while browsing, with whatever browser I tried on the Zaurus |
| 05:35.48 | raduga | yes. I tend to use <tab> to navigate through links, wherever possible |
| 05:37.13 | Luke-Jr | with Konq, press Ctrl and it will number links :) |
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| 05:37.26 | Luke-Jr | that might only work in HEAD tho, dunn |
| 05:37.27 | Luke-Jr | dunno |
| 05:38.03 | koyote | i use links for browsing a lot |
| 05:38.13 | Luke-Jr | console or X? |
| 05:38.22 | koyote | (which also helps explain why ai find forums to be too busybusy and blaoted) |
| 05:38.24 | koyote | both |
| 05:38.28 | koyote | it depends on the page |
| 05:38.54 | Luke-Jr | my problem with Links (and most browsers on Z) is the lack of tabs |
| 05:39.12 | Luke-Jr | if Links had tabs, I would consider it for primary browser |
| 05:39.51 | koyote | i don't mind so much with links because it's easy to tab through the windows. |
| 05:40.05 | Luke-Jr | what windows? |
| 05:40.16 | pgas | links -g |
| 05:40.16 | koyote | links can open a new window. |
| 05:40.33 | Luke-Jr | koyote: but it's just like a new window of any other browser... |
| 05:41.06 | pgas | w3m has tab iirc or is it just in emacs-w3m |
| 05:41.18 | Luke-Jr | also, that only works well when the browser is maximised |
| 05:42.53 | koyote | well, on a 640x480 display, if i need to use links -g, i keep it maximized |
| 05:43.14 | koyote | and being able to select the windows from within links is nice. |
| 05:43.26 | Luke-Jr | how do you do that? |
| 05:43.42 | koyote | look in the keys helpfile |
| 05:44.05 | Luke-Jr | Links has documentation? =p |
| 05:44.26 | Luke-Jr | (I never RTFM ;) |
| 05:44.43 | koyote | heeee |
| 05:45.02 | koyote | it's a bit of a bitch to make everything work with everything else, though |
| 05:46.54 | koyote | half of my browser windows are links in screen via ssh to my colo server |
| 05:46.58 | koyote | which is obscene |
| 05:47.24 | Luke-Jr | I should learn to use screen windows sometime |
| 05:47.35 | koyote | screen is really useful |
| 05:47.45 | Luke-Jr | I know. Even without the windowing stuff |
| 05:48.35 | Luke-Jr | screen -S oe; screen -S irc; etc |
| 05:48.49 | Luke-Jr | screen -r irc |
| 05:52.30 | pgas | hey koyote what colo means in "colo server" ? |
| 05:52.49 | Luke-Jr | pgas: colocation, usually |
| 05:52.59 | pgas | in greek "kolo server" is meant for my "ass server" |
| 05:53.12 | Luke-Jr | ... |
| 05:53.41 | pgas | ie my not so good server |
| 05:54.01 | Luke-Jr | colocation is where the system is on someone else's property, generally |
| 05:54.11 | Luke-Jr | eg, at a hosting company |
| 06:07.58 | koyote | heh |
| 06:08.10 | koyote | pgas:yeah, i have a fbsd server in texas |
| 06:08.16 | koyote | that's what i irc from, even |
| 06:09.06 | koyote | it's in some basement in dallas |
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| 06:50.32 | koyote | hrm |
| 06:50.47 | koyote | but do i have to re repartition to flash the sharp rom back on? |
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| 15:31.14 | Domber | can anybody help me with programming software for the zaurus in java? |
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| 15:42.40 | Domber | can anybody help me with programming software for the zaurus in java? |
| 15:49.24 | pgas | seems not...maybe you'll find your answer here: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showforum=79 |
| 15:51.45 | pgas | but you can still expose your problem... |
| 15:53.16 | koyote | bon jour |
| 15:53.22 | koyote | i haven't done any java programming |
| 15:53.28 | pgas | salut |
| 15:54.00 | pgas | koyote: I think to return to sharp rom you'll need to do a nand backup.. |
| 15:56.50 | koyote | restore? |
| 15:56.58 | Domber | thx pgas i will check this link out |
| 15:57.57 | pgas | koyote: I think so yes |
| 15:58.33 | pgas | you can try the guylhem-rom: http://externe.net/zaurus/guylhem-rom/ |
| 15:58.39 | koyote | i will make sure i have pdaxrom necessaries on an sd card so that if things go weird... |
| 15:58.51 | koyote | i have never used the guylhem rom. |
| 15:58.53 | pgas | Domber: maybe this also http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Zaurus_Java_FAQ |
| 15:59.13 | koyote | people talk about it, but i'm not sure what i want it for |
| 15:59.14 | pgas | koyote: neither do I it's for 6k only |
| 15:59.40 | pgas | koyote: I think it's like cacko, it's a tweaked sharp rom |
| 16:00.01 | koyote | hrm |
| 16:00.35 | pgas | there is also a special kernel http://externe.net/zaurus/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=18&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 |
| 16:01.09 | koyote | which one is that, the fast ot the tetsu? |
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| 16:01.52 | pgas | no idea ;) |
| 16:01.59 | koyote | okay |
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| 16:02.16 | koyote | let me log out for a sec and get a bigger screen session going so i can get the link |
| 16:02.42 | pgas | ehe, or i can use tinyurl.. |
| 16:03.01 | koyote | no i got it |
| 16:03.09 | koyote | i'm just cooking, hard to do a lot :) |
| 16:03.11 | pgas | http://tinyurl.com/crszv |
| 16:04.27 | koyote | i am stuck in teh dark ages, and i should adapt |
| 16:04.42 | koyote | okay, that's fastkernel |
| 16:07.23 | koyote | which may be something to try, yeah |
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| 16:09.16 | koyote | debating |
| 16:10.54 | koyote | eh, i've got two micridrives |
| 16:11.15 | koyote | i can just back up etc and home and reflash later someday if i want to go back |
| 16:11.58 | pgas | well, yes backup is usually a good idea :) |
| 16:13.40 | subdue | btw, he has a second page |
| 16:13.46 | subdue | http://www.users.on.net/~hluc/myZaurus/ |
| 16:14.43 | koyote | well, my data is already backed up |
| 16:15.08 | subdue | this is just another link to an different part of his pages |
| 16:15.14 | subdue | the 3k guy |
| 16:15.30 | koyote | sweet |
| 16:16.04 | pgas | the good thing with the guylhem rom is that it use a repartition flash, so that you won't have to do it again to flash pdaxrom |
| 16:16.23 | koyote | so, all the Cxx00 stuff is a different sharp os distro, it seems |
| 16:17.02 | pgas | different from what? |
| 16:17.10 | pgas | all what? |
| 16:17.59 | koyote | so, the c1000, c3000, and c3100 (cxx00) (Cnn00) stuff is based on a 2.4.20 kernel tree? |
| 16:18.09 | koyote | and is a different distribution? |
| 16:18.17 | koyote | lineo versus whoever? |
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| 16:19.17 | pgas | ah yes you are right |
| 16:19.51 | pgas | but in the end there are not that much differences i think |
| 16:20.43 | subdue | my my my ... his links on the bottom are useful |
| 16:21.24 | pgas | the guy from this page is Meanie in the forums just in case |
| 16:22.46 | koyote | i want a completemirror locally |
| 16:22.57 | koyote | so often this sort of stuff disappears quietly one night |
| 16:24.49 | pgas | subdue: if you want some links: http://zaurus.spy.org/ |
| 16:25.52 | subdue | yes, I've known about his links |
| 16:25.54 | subdue | thanks |
| 16:26.44 | subdue | it's just that his stuff is unique and detailed |
| 16:27.50 | pgas | yeah, that's true, he has done and documented all the most wanted things ...for sharp rom |
| 16:32.54 | koyote | yes |
| 16:33.03 | koyote | that's really a very large benefit |
| 16:33.09 | koyote | and a pretty decent effort, too |
| 16:36.24 | koyote | though reactions to it make me understand to a greater degree the problems with documentation in linux as a whole |
| 16:41.35 | subdue | I've been slowly trying to update things, but it takes time |
| 16:42.12 | koyote | it does |
| 16:42.57 | koyote | but you and i seem to be the only really enthusiastic respnses to this guy. everyone else seems to be saying that someone else, somewhere on the web, however cryptically and poorly written, has done each of the things this guy has |
| 16:43.04 | koyote | thus, it's no big deal |
| 16:43.21 | subdue | pth. their loss |
| 16:43.29 | koyote | yet- the vast majority of 'new visitors' i see in the channel come in with what are really farily simple questions |
| 16:43.45 | koyote | the fact that they have to be told to figure out a forum site and search patterns? |
| 16:43.50 | koyote | not good docco. |
| 16:44.25 | subdue | this is the one I've been working on the last few days http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Applications_that_run_on_the_6000L/Sharp_ROM |
| 16:44.26 | koyote | i can't point someone to a page linked off the homepage of any of the main sites that has the basic HAVE TO KNOW stuff, model by model |
| 16:44.52 | subdue | the information there is not unique, but it's a guide for me (I keep forgetting things) |
| 16:45.21 | subdue | certianly not as compreshensive as his is |
| 16:45.23 | koyote | *nods* |
| 16:45.34 | subdue | sorry, what was that? did a clear as you typed |
| 16:46.36 | koyote | nothing, just *nods* |
| 16:46.41 | subdue | ah |
| 16:47.16 | subdue | I'm amazed at how much I take for granted. it's taking time now to find certain things on the web |
| 16:47.28 | pgas | koyote: this one maybe:http://www.zaurususergroup.org/ |
| 16:50.30 | pgas | I think also that sharp maybe a bit responsible for the situation there was something like a community site from sharp that they took down |
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| 16:59.39 | koyote | i am fighting inertia |
| 16:59.55 | koyote | sharp is totally sharing responsibility, too |
| 17:00.08 | koyote | but zug doesn't seem to help much |
| 17:00.40 | koyote | people keep pointing me to the sites i know about :/ |
| 17:01.12 | koyote | news isn't going to help me *easily* explain to a 5000 user (a model i've never used), how to flash |
| 17:01.20 | koyote | or where to find the better ipks |
| 17:01.25 | koyote | or how to tweak whatever |
| 17:03.28 | pgas | well you have link to the howto and to the faq |
| 17:04.28 | pgas | ie you follow howtos-> 5x00 roms -> rom flashing |
| 17:05.29 | pgas | the problem is that the forums receive the big part of the efforts and that the faqs/howtos are not updated so often |
| 17:06.56 | pgas | another part is that a good share of advanced zaurus users are not using sharp/qtopia so much |
| 17:11.48 | koyote | that's true |
| 17:12.01 | koyote | but sharp rm isnt' the main source of concern for me |
| 17:12.04 | koyote | rom |
| 17:18.36 | Mask_cucumber | Does anyone know if we can get skype for the Zqurus ? |
| 17:21.23 | pgas | there are rumour about skype on the zaurus but afaik nothing exists yet |
| 17:21.30 | subdue | for the 5500 rom/flash question http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=5x00_ROMs&PHPSESSID=bdba09cf69146c7d0130e80d02a77e2b |
| 17:21.50 | Mask_cucumber | pgas, what about using a deb package ? |
| 17:21.58 | Luke-Jr | Skype is immoral software *and* not standards-compliant |
| 17:22.05 | pgas | there is a deb package for arm? |
| 17:22.10 | pgas | i doubt |
| 17:22.16 | Luke-Jr | 2 reasons for Skype being horribly crappy |
| 17:22.19 | pgas | skype is not open source |
| 17:22.19 | Mask_cucumber | don'T know !! |
| 17:22.31 | subdue | as far as the howtos, I've been doing for the 5500/6K |
| 17:22.40 | Luke-Jr | Mask_cucumber: Skype is useless |
| 17:22.41 | subdue | the other Z's I dont know so I can't update |
| 17:22.57 | pgas | hence the only people able to provide skype for the zaurus is skype |
| 17:22.59 | Luke-Jr | Mask_cucumber: Use real VoIP, like KPhone |
| 17:23.03 | Mask_cucumber | Luke-Jr, useless ? please precise ... |
| 17:23.18 | Luke-Jr | Mask_cucumber: Skype does not work with most VoIP programs |
| 17:23.25 | Luke-Jr | Mask_cucumber: and it is immoral software |
| 17:23.30 | subdue | dont bother with skype for now |
| 17:23.36 | subdue | kphone does work |
| 17:23.39 | subdue | try that |
| 17:23.50 | Luke-Jr | I just wish MiniSIP worked :) |
| 17:23.54 | Mask_cucumber | ok but did kphone work with skype ?? |
| 17:24.10 | Luke-Jr | Mask_cucumber: I just told you-- Skype is not standards-compliant and does not work with ANYTHING |
| 17:24.24 | subdue | kphone is a skype replacement |
| 17:24.24 | Luke-Jr | Mask_cucumber: the fault is with the person using Skype |
| 17:24.41 | Mask_cucumber | Luke-Jr, ok but if all my friends is using skype... :( |
| 17:24.49 | Luke-Jr | Mask_cucumber: so tell them to use normal VoIP? |
| 17:24.51 | subdue | there's a bunch of info on the zug forums |
| 17:25.07 | subdue | http://www.oesf.org/forums/ |
| 17:25.13 | subdue | please look there for more info |
| 17:25.18 | subdue | you can search for skype if you like |
| 17:26.05 | Mask_cucumber | okay, i'm also a opensource enthousiastic, con't be so agressive... |
| 17:26.13 | subdue | ? |
| 17:26.27 | Luke-Jr | Mask_cucumber: You're not. You tolerate immoral software. =p |
| 17:26.29 | Mask_cucumber | i just use what me old fox can use easely |
| 17:26.51 | Luke-Jr | not an opensource enthusiastic, that is |
| 17:26.54 | Mask_cucumber | i'm tolerante, that's different |
| 17:27.05 | subdue | I dont care what I use as long as it works and it's fast |
| 17:27.07 | Luke-Jr | Immorality should not be tolerated |
| 17:27.33 | subdue | (which lots of ms stuff ends up being slow) |
| 17:27.40 | Mask_cucumber | Luke-Jr, you are a kind of opensource ayatollah |
| 17:27.49 | Luke-Jr | wtf is an ayatollah? |
| 17:28.08 | Mask_cucumber | get some culture, then !!! |
| 17:28.12 | Luke-Jr | ... |
| 17:28.19 | Luke-Jr | learn some english, then !!! |
| 17:28.21 | Mask_cucumber | it's a religious extremist... |
| 17:28.32 | Mask_cucumber | sorry to be french |
| 17:28.37 | subdue | he's that iranian leader |
| 17:28.44 | subdue | khomeni or something |
| 17:28.49 | Mask_cucumber | yup |
| 17:28.51 | Luke-Jr | um |
| 17:29.01 | Luke-Jr | I just don't tolerate immorality |
| 17:29.01 | pgas | hmm |
| 17:29.04 | Luke-Jr | nobody should |
| 17:29.16 | pgas | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayatollah |
| 17:29.17 | Mask_cucumber | Luke-Jr, can you speak french as well as i speak english ??? |
| 17:29.20 | Luke-Jr | no |
| 17:29.36 | Luke-Jr | the only thing I tolerate less than immorality is stupidity ;) |
| 17:29.45 | Mask_cucumber | so don't tell me to learn some english, okay |
| 17:30.06 | Luke-Jr | fine. learn some japanese |
| 17:30.07 | koyote | cuke: luke is the resident fanatic from the office of the inquisition. he's not very tolerant :) |
| 17:30.31 | Luke-Jr | or korean |
| 17:30.34 | Mask_cucumber | koyote, i cqn see that |
| 17:30.36 | Luke-Jr | or latin |
| 17:30.46 | pgas | greek! |
| 17:30.49 | Mask_cucumber | oh i know latin, and greek, and spanish |
| 17:30.54 | Luke-Jr | greek is fun |
| 17:30.57 | Mask_cucumber | you ?? |
| 17:31.21 | Luke-Jr | Et cum spirittu tuo |
| 17:31.25 | Luke-Jr | I'm working on it =p |
| 17:31.35 | pgas | I am the best yeah! |
| 17:31.46 | koyote | surrender! |
| 17:31.48 | Luke-Jr | Let's have a pi contest! |
| 17:31.56 | Luke-Jr | who wants to start? |
| 17:32.26 | Mask_cucumber | pi=3.1415.... |
| 17:32.31 | Luke-Jr | 926... |
| 17:33.03 | Luke-Jr | 53589793238462643383279502884197169399 |
| 17:33.08 | Luke-Jr | (memory only) |
| 17:33.33 | Mask_cucumber | ok guys, i don't hime to lose, my son is crying |
| 17:33.44 | koyote | how old? |
| 17:33.53 | Mask_cucumber | i'll come bqck when some tolerqnce will be in this place.... |
| 17:33.54 | koyote | mine will e 2 next week |
| 17:33.56 | Mask_cucumber | 3m |
| 17:34.07 | koyote | i'm tolerant! for an american |
| 17:34.08 | pgas | 4 y, again I win |
| 17:34.16 | koyote | surrender! |
| 17:34.19 | Luke-Jr | I tolerate anything but stupidity and immorality... maybe |
| 17:34.28 | Luke-Jr | -3 mo, I win |
| 17:34.36 | koyote | but, of course, luke defines stupid and immoral. |
| 17:34.40 | Luke-Jr | no I don't |
| 17:34.44 | Luke-Jr | I only define stupid |
| 17:34.44 | Mask_cucumber | pgas, your my master... ;) |
| 17:35.10 | koyote | i want a french study program on my zaurus. that wuld be nice. |
| 17:35.20 | koyote | i suppose there must be some dos based ones i could run |
| 17:35.22 | Luke-Jr | I want Kiten on my Z =p |
| 17:35.37 | Mask_cucumber | how old are you Luke-Jr ???? |
| 17:35.40 | Luke-Jr | 20 |
| 17:35.44 | Luke-Jr | why? |
| 17:35.53 | Mask_cucumber | that why |
| 17:35.56 | Luke-Jr | ... |
| 17:36.00 | Mask_cucumber | so intolerant |
| 17:36.03 | Mask_cucumber | so young |
| 17:36.07 | Luke-Jr | Nobody should tolerate immorality |
| 17:36.08 | Mask_cucumber | you'll change |
| 17:36.13 | koyote | indeed |
| 17:36.24 | pgas | well Luke-Jr has a point though |
| 17:36.26 | Luke-Jr | Yes, I will grow in my understanding of reality and tolerate immorality less |
| 17:36.27 | Mask_cucumber | go pray my friend |
| 17:36.35 | koyote | wont' work |
| 17:36.42 | koyote | his god is hateful, not tolerant |
| 17:36.55 | Luke-Jr | God is not hateful |
| 17:36.56 | pgas | skype being closed source cannot be ported by anyone to the zaurus |
| 17:36.57 | Mask_cucumber | if you think that the world is moral ?? |
| 17:37.00 | Luke-Jr | But He is holy, holy, holy |
| 17:37.09 | koyote | which one? |
| 17:37.25 | pgas | hence it would have been better that skype use a standard protocol |
| 17:37.33 | Luke-Jr | Mask_cucumber: No, the world is mostly immoral. Hence why we are called to live IN the world, not OF it |
| 17:38.27 | koyote | you overriding concern shown by very oft-voiced intolerance, shows that your are living IN the world |
| 17:38.43 | Luke-Jr | koyote: I suppose you will be joining the anti-Christ when you figure out who he is? |
| 17:39.01 | pgas | damn here we go again... |
| 17:39.08 | koyote | ew, no. slave religions are all counter productive |
| 17:39.13 | Mask_cucumber | ok i don't follow you anymore |
| 17:39.17 | koyote | you know my religious views |
| 17:39.43 | subdue | there are a few french dictionary type things on the Z |
| 17:39.47 | subdue | even a commercial one |
| 17:39.49 | Mask_cucumber | btw, kphone don't work on my zaurus, Why ??? |
| 17:39.52 | koyote | yeah. |
| 17:39.57 | Luke-Jr | Mask_cucumber: why not? |
| 17:40.05 | subdue | it does work. you just have to read the docs |
| 17:40.07 | Mask_cucumber | don't start.... |
| 17:40.08 | koyote | i would love something like the cd based living language tutor stuff |
| 17:40.19 | subdue | it's not an instant software |
| 17:40.39 | Mask_cucumber | so... something to configure |
| 17:41.07 | subdue | READ the docs |
| 17:41.14 | subdue | read the forums |
| 17:41.17 | subdue | read read read of course |
| 17:41.31 | Mask_cucumber | ok, ok |
| 17:41.34 | koyote | yeah. |
| 17:41.41 | koyote | but, i accept that it is frustrating |
| 17:41.48 | Mask_cucumber | if it doesn't work, you'll heart from me |
| 17:41.52 | Mask_cucumber | so see you then |
| 17:41.57 | Luke-Jr | koyote: would it help you accept reality if predictions come true? |
| 17:42.05 | koyote | because, it is sometimes hard to rtfm when there are 56 conflicting parts of tfm |
| 17:42.31 | koyote | luke-jr: mine do, when i choose to scry. i thought your religion frowned on such activities |
| 17:42.46 | Luke-Jr | koyote: in particular, regarding future attacks from Anti-Pope Benedict XVI |
| 17:43.04 | koyote | ah, so clearly described in the holy word of god, yes |
| 17:43.07 | koyote | hah |
| 17:43.37 | Luke-Jr | http://www.novusordowatch.org/whattoexpect.htm |
| 17:43.49 | koyote | and this is straight from god's mouth? |
| 17:43.55 | Luke-Jr | of course not |
| 17:43.58 | koyote | oh? |
| 17:44.03 | koyote | but you know it is right? |
| 17:44.09 | Luke-Jr | no |
| 17:44.13 | koyote | oh? |
| 17:44.14 | Luke-Jr | it could be wrong |
| 17:44.17 | Luke-Jr | not likely, tho |
| 17:44.23 | koyote | you accuse very freely. |
| 17:44.48 | koyote | in fact, you accuse so often and fervently, that you haven't a chance of approaching god, log boy. |
| 17:44.49 | Luke-Jr | accuse? |
| 17:44.53 | koyote | accuse |
| 17:44.55 | Luke-Jr | who have I accused? |
| 17:44.59 | koyote | you decide people or things are wrong |
| 17:45.00 | koyote | bad |
| 17:45.02 | koyote | immoral |
| 17:45.03 | koyote | stupid |
| 17:45.22 | Luke-Jr | It is quite possible to objectively determine that an action is immoral |
| 17:45.49 | koyote | no, it isn't. not for you. unless you have the power to see inside a person's soul |
| 17:46.05 | koyote | everything you see or take in is inherently subjective |
| 17:46.13 | koyote | you cannot access objectivity |
| 17:46.16 | Luke-Jr | but morality is not subjective |
| 17:46.22 | koyote | but you are. |
| 17:46.26 | koyote | you are judging |
| 17:46.37 | koyote | you are the man with the log in his eye, young one |
| 17:46.47 | Luke-Jr | God gave us logic and natural law such that we are capable of objective learning |
| 17:48.02 | koyote | okay, and the holy text where this logic is defined so that it isn't a subjective product of individual understanding? |
| 17:48.53 | Luke-Jr | ... |
| 17:49.02 | Luke-Jr | logic is defined in the soul of every human |
| 17:49.16 | koyote | very logical argument. yes |
| 17:49.25 | koyote | now, since that's obviously crap |
| 17:49.27 | koyote | natural law. |
| 17:49.38 | koyote | you claim to have an objective understanding of natural law |
| 17:49.47 | subdue | this sounds like bored people |
| 17:49.49 | koyote | now, tell me the final objective value of absolute zero |
| 17:50.08 | Luke-Jr | 0 |
| 17:50.12 | koyote | subdue: half of it is boredom, half is amusement, half is utter and total shock that a person can think this way |
| 17:50.13 | Luke-Jr | abs(0) == 0 |
| 17:50.27 | koyote | absolute zero the temperature. |
| 17:50.35 | koyote | don't play dumb |
| 17:50.36 | Luke-Jr | oh |
| 17:50.44 | Luke-Jr | 0x0 |
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| 17:50.52 | subdue | everyone is different, partly due to govt |
| 17:51.02 | koyote | ahahahahahaha |
| 17:51.06 | koyote | oh, this is good |
| 17:51.18 | Luke-Jr | I don't know in F or C |
| 17:51.23 | Luke-Jr | 0 in hextemp; 0 in kelvin |
| 17:51.36 | koyote | you don't know the first thing about natural law, boyo |
| 17:51.44 | Luke-Jr | ... |
| 17:51.52 | koyote | objective! satans right AND left crotch |
| 17:51.59 | Luke-Jr | sure I do |
| 17:52.04 | koyote | no, you don't |
| 17:52.16 | koyote | sorry, everyone |
| 17:52.19 | koyote | i got carried away |
| 17:52.47 | subdue | dunno, seriously, one has to define what they mean by natural law |
| 17:52.58 | subdue | natural implies nature |
| 17:53.08 | subdue | which is pretty rough on humans |
| 18:05.31 | subdue | on the weirder side http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4622743.stm |
| 18:06.14 | subdue | tragic, of course |
| 18:11.30 | koyote | hrm? |
| 18:11.47 | koyote | yow |
| 18:11.48 | koyote | ouch |
| 18:12.01 | koyote | fortunately, my home brewing is holy |
| 18:13.46 | Domber | guys ... when is it good to drop all ICMP packets? |
| 18:14.26 | Luke-Jr | never |
| 18:15.26 | Domber | is there really no situation? i mean, i try to understand why |
| 18:16.30 | Luke-Jr | I guess it would work when you're dropping all packets... |
| 18:16.39 | Luke-Jr | like if you're too lazy to unplug the network cable |
| 18:17.03 | koyote | objectively, god says never |
| 18:17.14 | koyote | but, well, why do you want them? |
| 18:17.27 | Domber | which protocols do need ICMP packets? |
| 18:17.38 | zip|6kL | ping |
| 18:17.48 | Domber | yes ... |
| 18:17.56 | Domber | ;-) but thats it |
| 18:18.04 | Domber | isn't it ? |
| 18:18.07 | Luke-Jr | no |
| 18:18.08 | Luke-Jr | UDP |
| 18:18.10 | koyote | ICMP messages are sent in several situations: for example, when a |
| 18:18.10 | koyote | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.10 | koyote | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.10 | Luke-Jr | maybe TCP |
| 18:18.11 | koyote | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:18.47 | koyote | icmp is a protocol, btw |
| 18:18.48 | Domber | alright, good argument, but if there's only one route? |
| 18:18.53 | Domber | switched LAN |
| 18:19.05 | Luke-Jr | Domber: if you can guaratee there is always a route... |
| 18:19.25 | Luke-Jr | ICMP is used if you try to connect to a non-existent IP, tho |
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| 18:19.50 | koyote | well, i can keep pasting the rfc. |
| 18:20.19 | koyote | but if you are on a switched lan with only one route, and a firewall? then why bother? |
| 18:20.33 | koyote | what's the traffic % and cpu time being used? |
| 18:20.49 | koyote | The ICMP messages typically report errors in the processing of |
| 18:20.49 | koyote | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.49 | koyote | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.49 | koyote | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.51 | koyote | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.56 | koyote | so it's a bit limited, that way |
| 18:21.22 | Domber | i don't bother about packets from outside ... more from inside |
| 18:21.38 | Domber | but it's more or less just interest |
| 18:21.42 | koyote | ah |
| 18:21.42 | Domber | thx anyway |
| 18:21.50 | koyote | well, it's very useful for network debugging |
| 18:22.07 | Luke-Jr | koyote: you're giving reasons to not block it =p |
| 18:22.27 | koyote | when something breaks, icmp packets will often tell you something useful about why |
| 18:22.27 | Luke-Jr | koyote: the question was asking if there is ever a reason *to* block it |
| 18:22.49 | zip|6kL | cause ppl could use it to tunnel heh |
| 18:23.01 | koyote | well, if it's internal only? |
| 18:23.10 | zip|6kL | oh then yeah doesnt matter |
| 18:23.35 | zip|6kL | enless there is another form of traffic you dont want to be able to use internaly |
| 18:23.45 | zip|6kL | cause then they can tunnel like i said |
| 18:23.56 | koyote | yes. |
| 18:24.14 | koyote | though that requires enough effort that communication and consensus are better |
| 18:24.22 | koyote | even if that's immoral |
| 18:27.46 | koyote | man, this page was almost totally stolen from a few other conspiracy sites. |
| 18:37.57 | subdue | ? |
| 18:38.47 | licksjp | morning!>guys |
| 18:41.56 | koyote | oi |
| 18:42.40 | koyote | subdue, nothing, i was reading a site that wgot linked to me |
| 18:42.46 | koyote | half a wrong channel thing. |
| 18:43.04 | koyote | my wife is really into cataloguing conspiracy theory sites |
| 18:49.44 | koyote | well, an old bike |
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| 20:27.06 | subdue | ok |
| 20:28.42 | subdue | she probably has this http://www.opensecrets.org/ |
| 20:31.11 | subdue | and this http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/?lid=344 |
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| 20:32.12 | subdue | http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/dec2000/elec-d19.shtml |
| 20:32.52 | subdue | http://www.udayton.edu/~grandjur/faq/faq7.htm |
| 20:32.59 | subdue | ( a few that I saved from before ) |
| 20:40.19 | pgas | ? |
| 20:54.13 | koyote | bread! |
| 20:55.00 | subdue | (conspiracy stuff) |
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| 21:34.42 | koyote | foo: how is it? |
| 21:36.18 | foo | koyote: Nice. I got a 256 mb pny card for it... it's really nice, only thing I'd like for it is a keyboard. I have a keyboard with my visor, but I'd prefer to have everything on one pda rather than switching :) |
| 21:36.31 | koyote | yeah |
| 21:36.44 | koyote | how's the windows ce stuff these days? |
| 21:37.21 | foo | koyote: Not that bad... I thought about putting linux on it, but since it's not made for linux, I'm going to leave windows CE on it. Should be getting my wifi card for the zaurus soon. |
| 21:37.34 | koyote | *nods* |
| 21:38.03 | foo | eh, I've got a deadline for a site soon. Better put my toys aside and start working :) |
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| 22:02.11 | foo | koyote: What distro do you use on your desktop pc? |
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| 22:12.47 | koyote | hrm |
| 22:12.53 | koyote | foo: mostly gentoo, and netbsd |
| 22:13.01 | koyote | one fbsd server |
| 22:14.47 | foo | koyote: Nice, care for a private message? |
| 22:34.46 | koyote | sure |
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| 23:06.10 | mandala | anybody using cacko3k? |
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