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| 01:34.56 | foo | koyote: Going to try those cd's now. I got everything |
| 01:35.02 | koyote | cool |
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| 01:43.19 | foo | koyote: SWEET |
| 01:43.24 | foo | The driver is on this cd |
| 01:43.25 | foo | woohoo |
| 01:43.31 | koyote | cool |
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| 01:51.32 | koyote | ²/n |
| 01:51.34 | koyote | oops |
| 01:55.47 | foo | During the sync I get: Unexpected error found (case unknown) |
| 01:55.49 | foo | How vague |
| 02:07.18 | koyote | yeah |
| 02:07.37 | koyote | i dunno, sync always seems wrong to me, i keep stuff in txt format and copy |
| 02:11.08 | foo | koyote: Yeah. I am going to start doing that... so many pda's, all in this special format. You store a bunch of crap, get a new one, and all the data on your old one is pointless. |
| 02:11.16 | foo | Hmm, this file transfer works |
| 02:14.01 | foo | Sweet, just instaled bash. |
| 02:14.05 | foo | Well, qte term |
| 02:15.52 | koyote | cool |
| 02:15.55 | koyote | now yu are setr |
| 02:20.12 | foo | koyote: Hmm, anything else I should install while I'm on this thing? Hmm, a terminal.. /me scratches head |
| 02:20.28 | foo | I will install more internet stuff like nmap and stuff when I get the wifi card |
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| 02:23.21 | koyote | konsole. kde/pi |
| 02:23.27 | koyote | the default addressbok suxors |
| 02:23.31 | koyote | some games? |
| 02:25.25 | foo | koyote: Is kde a memory hog like on the esktop? |
| 02:25.44 | koyote | this is the kde pim thing ported to the zaurus |
| 02:25.49 | koyote | and it is indeed a bit bloaty |
| 02:25.57 | koyote | but it's a LOT better than the sharp supplied stuff |
| 02:26.15 | koyote | it's not like, the kde project entirely or anything |
| 02:26.51 | koyote | i'd get something else- links and html docco, or something, so you can use it for manpage reference and zaurus reference |
| 02:26.55 | koyote | but... |
| 02:26.58 | koyote | you need memory cards |
| 02:27.08 | koyote | take some photos, play with that camera thing |
| 02:27.13 | koyote | I always wanted ne f those. |
| 02:31.53 | foo | koyote: Hmm "Zaurus port of the KDE version" - is this it? Hmm, it's under games. Don't know if that's it. |
| 02:44.06 | koyote | kde/pi? |
| 02:44.08 | koyote | no idea |
| 02:44.12 | koyote | stella might be fun, too |
| 02:44.15 | koyote | atari 2600 |
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| 03:21.16 | koyote | wheeeeee |
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| 03:32.16 | foo | koyote: Trying to get apache with php working on the device, and doom :) |
| 03:33.14 | foo | koyote: Can I delete the install file after I install it? Pretty sure I can |
| 03:40.28 | koyote | yeaH |
| 03:40.38 | koyote | THE IPKG FILES CAN BE DELETED |
| 03:40.41 | koyote | oops |
| 03:40.43 | koyote | :) |
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| 04:01.50 | foo | koyote: Nice. Hmm, you get doom working? |
| 04:02.09 | foo | During install of Freedoom I get "The extract of some files are failed. This application may not execute normally. When you cannot operate the application, please remove it. |
| 04:02.12 | foo | Kind of interesting |
| 04:02.55 | koyote | haven't tried doom |
| 04:03.49 | foo | koyote: I see. hmm, I'll try kde. Bummer, doom looked fun |
| 04:04.47 | foo | Hmm, I need to get some screen protectors for my zuaurs |
| 04:06.45 | koyote | yeah |
| 04:06.58 | koyote | you cn always figure out what the deal is with doom. *Shrug* |
| 04:07.11 | koyote | someone wiull have written something about getting it running on a 5600 |
| 04:07.33 | foo | I see. Hmm, I do see what your saying about memory issues though. |
| 04:07.41 | foo | I've already filled it up, having to delete some stuff and what not |
| 04:09.35 | koyote | an ipk is a package, yeah |
| 04:09.55 | koyote | command line you can do ipk -d install remove etc package_name |
| 04:09.59 | koyote | ipkg, even |
| 04:10.01 | koyote | not ipk |
| 04:10.04 | foo | I see, nice. |
| 04:10.07 | koyote | ipk is the thing, ipkg is the command |
| 04:10.12 | foo | I am installing xmms ATM |
| 04:10.15 | foo | Yeah |
| 04:13.00 | koyote | cool |
| 04:21.45 | Luke-Jr | I don't image XMMS being very usable with such a large DPI |
| 04:22.54 | koyote | my xmms on the 6k takes up about... what..... 240x120 or so |
| 04:23.05 | koyote | unless you mean xmms as an image viewer or something |
| 04:23.05 | Luke-Jr | exactly |
| 04:23.23 | koyote | xview is good for images :p |
| 04:23.28 | Luke-Jr | 240x120 with a high DPI is quite small |
| 04:23.38 | Luke-Jr | hard to read, click on buttons, etc |
| 04:23.45 | koyote | sure. |
| 04:23.53 | Luke-Jr | gpe-nmf is much better, I imagine |
| 04:23.54 | koyote | with a large dpi- like you said- it would be fine |
| 04:24.00 | Luke-Jr | tho I don't play music much on my Z |
| 04:24.07 | Luke-Jr | no, with a small DPI =p |
| 04:24.16 | koyote | ah. |
| 04:24.27 | Luke-Jr | gpe-nmf kind fits in nicely w/ GPE |
| 04:24.30 | koyote | but the 5600 has a large dpi |
| 04:24.40 | Luke-Jr | not a very large one |
| 04:24.53 | Luke-Jr | C* is larger |
| 04:24.58 | koyote | well, compared to mine. |
| 04:25.05 | Luke-Jr | 6000 too, IIRC |
| 04:25.09 | koyote | yeah |
| 04:25.35 | koyote | i like xmms |
| 04:25.37 | Luke-Jr | larger the DPI, the harder to see stuff |
| 04:25.46 | koyote | doh |
| 04:25.56 | koyote | i was thinking larger dots |
| 04:25.59 | Luke-Jr | no |
| 04:26.04 | koyote | i'm tired, too |
| 04:26.11 | Luke-Jr | Z is like what? 200 DPI? |
| 04:26.19 | koyote | which one? |
| 04:26.20 | Luke-Jr | XMMS and such are designed for 75-100 DPI |
| 04:26.25 | Luke-Jr | 640x480s |
| 04:26.32 | Luke-Jr | C*, 6000 |
| 04:26.36 | koyote | yeah, but foo has a 5600 |
| 04:26.40 | Luke-Jr | o |
| 04:26.55 | Luke-Jr | I guess that'd be a better DPI for XMMS |
| 04:27.02 | koyote | xmms is almost invisible on my 6000, but i use keys to control it |
| 04:27.07 | Luke-Jr | ah |
| 04:27.26 | Luke-Jr | There is a command-line xmms, you know |
| 04:27.30 | Luke-Jr | might be more useful for you |
| 04:27.47 | koyote | yeah, that's on my list |
| 04:28.13 | koyote | i need to read enough about mplayer to make it work, too |
| 04:30.17 | foo | xmms - the audio player |
| 04:30.23 | foo | Hmm, I couldn't get it to work |
| 04:30.43 | koyote | really? |
| 04:30.55 | foo | Nope. It didn't even install ... |
| 04:31.12 | koyote | huh |
| 04:31.18 | koyote | maybe a bad version for you |
| 04:31.26 | Luke-Jr | koyote: what does mplayer have to do with it? O.o |
| 04:31.41 | Luke-Jr | foo: You have an X server? |
| 04:31.47 | koyote | nothing, just prioritizing |
| 04:32.04 | foo | Luke-Jr: Hmm, I don't know. How do I know? I got qtopia |
| 04:32.34 | Luke-Jr | foo: Then no |
| 04:32.47 | Luke-Jr | foo: Qtopia isn't really compatible w/ X servers |
| 04:33.27 | koyote | madplay should work, though, or something |
| 04:33.30 | Luke-Jr | nor is there any reason to use Qtopia... not that Opie is any more compatible |
| 04:34.06 | koyote | well, on a 5600, there's not realyl any convincing argument either way, i don't think |
| 04:34.28 | koyote | except that if you stick with a sharp based rom and qtopia you can still do a chroot debian, i think |
| 04:34.54 | foo | koyote: Once I get a SD card I'll switch roms |
| 04:35.17 | koyote | sure, but give them all at least a few days to see :) |
| 04:35.19 | Luke-Jr | koyote: um.. other than Qtopia being inferior? =p |
| 04:35.29 | koyote | *shrug* |
| 04:35.41 | Luke-Jr | foo: can the 5600 upgrade from SD? |
| 04:35.53 | koyote | it cna be inferior as you want, if the apps that do what you want are there for is..... |
| 04:36.16 | Luke-Jr | koyote: There is nothing Qtopia can do that Opie cannot, AFAIK |
| 04:36.37 | koyote | foo: if that's true, you want a nice 32-64mb cf card and a big fat 512mb sd card |
| 04:36.46 | koyote | sd for data, cf for flashing |
| 04:37.37 | foo | Gocha |
| 04:38.30 | koyote | you need a cf wifi card. with budget issues, be patient and wait for online orders if you can |
| 04:45.55 | Luke-Jr | make sure it's true before you spend the $ tho |
| 04:46.03 | Luke-Jr | I'm no more than 60% sure ;) |
| 04:46.22 | koyote | 60% sure what? |
| 04:46.30 | Luke-Jr | that it needs to be CF for an upgrade on 5600 |
| 04:46.51 | koyote | well, at the current price for a 32mb or 64mb cf, it's worth having the spare storage :p |
| 04:46.56 | Luke-Jr | =p |
| 04:47.11 | koyote | if you can even buy them still |
| 04:47.11 | Luke-Jr | I got my Wifi for $20 at HSN |
| 04:47.27 | foo | Luke-Jr: HSN? |
| 04:47.34 | Luke-Jr | .com |
| 04:47.58 | Luke-Jr | I think they ran out |
| 04:48.03 | foo | Luke-Jr: What kind? Like it ? I saw one for 38 on amazon.com |
| 04:48.08 | koyote | yeah |
| 04:48.13 | koyote | 128MB cf is $15 |
| 04:48.14 | Luke-Jr | Protec using orinoco_cs |
| 04:48.20 | koyote | 512MB SD is $40 |
| 04:48.26 | Luke-Jr | $20 needs a coupon code on the OESF |
| 04:49.26 | foo | Luke-Jr: OESF? Orinoco_cs? Nice, I believe that's what I run on my laptop with my classic orinoco gold card |
| 04:50.07 | Luke-Jr | OESF is a Zaurus/OpenEmbedded forum |
| 04:50.40 | Luke-Jr | It has a section for good Z deals and such |
| 04:52.27 | Luke-Jr | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=3572 |
| 04:54.17 | foo | Luke-Jr: Ah, ok. That's already expired though |
| 04:54.54 | Luke-Jr | can likely find an updated one on the net with a bit of googling |
| 04:55.02 | foo | Luke-Jr: Thanks |
| 04:55.05 | Luke-Jr | it's been going on for > 1 year |
| 04:55.07 | Luke-Jr | :) |
| 04:55.09 | Luke-Jr | yw |
| 04:55.37 | foo | ahhh |
| 04:56.15 | Luke-Jr | When/if you do find one, perhaps post it |
| 04:56.31 | Luke-Jr | I got the last one in some spam |
| 04:57.57 | foo | Luke-Jr: Hmm, HSN doesn't even have it anymore. I searched for 802.11b |
| 04:58.12 | Luke-Jr | Still out of stock maybe |
| 04:59.23 | koyote | sear ch for wi-fi or wireless or wifi |
| 04:59.42 | foo | Hmm, just to confirm, this isn't the same as a pcmcia card is it? |
| 04:59.47 | Luke-Jr | out of stock dont seem to be listed in searches |
| 04:59.54 | Luke-Jr | It comes with an adaptor |
| 05:00.11 | Luke-Jr | It's CF w/ a CF-to-PCMCIA adaptor |
| 05:00.38 | foo | I see. |
| 05:00.55 | foo | I do a linksys 802.11b card that I'm not using |
| 05:01.07 | foo | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.11 | foo | Hmm, that was copied from the forum. |
| 05:01.24 | koyote | the 128mb cf+wifi looks interesting |
| 05:01.43 | Luke-Jr | koyote: check driver support |
| 05:02.15 | Luke-Jr | foo: the last code on the thread goes till May 31 |
| 05:02.29 | foo | Luke-Jr: That's the coupon code, first I need to find the product on their site :) |
| 05:02.32 | foo | I can't do that |
| 05:02.45 | Luke-Jr | probably still out of stock, then :( |
| 05:03.15 | koyote | luke: oh, i won't get it. |
| 05:03.20 | koyote | i have built in |
| 05:06.39 | Luke-Jr | hmm... this SD WiFi claims to support C760... |
| 05:07.11 | Luke-Jr | http://www.c-guysusa.com/SD-Link 11b.html |
| 05:08.51 | koyote | yeah, could be interesting |
| 05:09.06 | koyote | I've found that the palm one i have on the tungsten is REALLY limited in power, though |
| 05:10.23 | foo | Hmm, either of you two got xmms? I got it install but am having problems adding a song |
| 05:10.40 | koyote | i'm on a totally different machine |
| 05:10.44 | koyote | but yeah, i have it |
| 05:11.35 | foo | When you click + File .. you just select the file and click the check mark righht? |
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| 05:22.08 | koyote | you have to click add |
| 05:23.07 | foo | koyote: I click the + File and it brings up the XMMS File Manager.. On top I have an arrow pointing to the left, one pointing up, a blank page, and a check mark ... where is add? |
| 05:33.56 | koyote | hrm |
| 05:34.35 | koyote | okay, not the same |
| 05:34.38 | foo | weird |
| 05:34.47 | koyote | on the bottom of mine i have add, play, and close buttons |
| 05:35.51 | foo | koyote: And that's in the XMMS File Manager, right? |
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| 05:42.58 | koyote | yeah |
| 05:45.44 | Luke-Jr | XMMS has a file manager? o.O |
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| 05:49.19 | foo | koyote: hmm, what do you have at the top? |
| 05:52.44 | koyote | all sorts of stuff. |
| 05:53.21 | foo | hmm, I wonder if the bar at the bottom is covering it up |
| 05:53.34 | koyote | create dir |
| 05:53.36 | koyote | delete file |
| 05:53.40 | koyote | renamce file |
| 05:53.51 | koyote | current directory display |
| 05:56.38 | foo | I'm out |
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| 07:01.13 | ljp | hmm. should I play with the 6000 or the 3000... |
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| 17:13.03 | foo | koyote: Man, I would totally buy a card for $20 if I could find one. |
| 17:23.13 | TaZ | hello foo =) |
| 17:23.57 | TaZ | foo ths USB connexion doesn't works ? |
| 17:24.02 | TaZ | the* |
| 17:24.13 | TaZ | (to transfer files) |
| 17:30.01 | foo | TaZ: Yeah, I got that working. I know I could get online that way... but Luke-Jr said he got his wifi card for $20 |
| 17:30.06 | foo | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=3572 |
| 17:34.14 | TaZ | ok |
| 17:34.15 | TaZ | :) |
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| 18:49.49 | tpdd | hello, has anyone found way to have working alarms on 6000 running any of the non-sharp roms (OZ, pdaxrom, etc)? |
| 18:50.21 | zip|6kL | ko/pi's alarms done work? |
| 18:51.08 | tpdd | not while suspended, unless I missing someting. |
| 18:54.46 | tpdd | zip|6kL: what rom are you running? |
| 18:55.06 | zip|6kL | sharp mostly. but i run pdaxrom sometimes |
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| 19:32.46 | arrummzen | What are the other 3 options on the Zaurus flash screen? I know 4 is for new ROMs, what about the other 3. |
| 19:32.50 | arrummzen | Im on a SL-C760 |
| 19:35.04 | Luke-Jr | arrummzen: got a screenshot? don't want to reboot my Z right now... |
| 19:35.37 | arrummzen | Well, I might be able to find one on the internet, |
| 19:35.43 | Luke-Jr | ok |
| 19:36.08 | Luke-Jr | They're probably labelled in English using Japanese characters, so I should be able to read them with my limited japanese... |
| 19:36.32 | George | wibble |
| 19:37.04 | arrummzen | http://downloads.conics.net/pda/zaurus-sl-c700/service-menus/ |
| 19:37.06 | arrummzen | The top one |
| 19:39.13 | Luke-Jr | (of course, it doesn't help that free() doesn't really work either...) |
| 19:41.32 | Luke-Jr | arrummzen: did you notice there is a translaiton ot the left? ;) |
| 19:43.31 | arrummzen | No, I didn't notice that. |
| 19:45.25 | arrummzen | When I am not running X (I am on a Virtual Terminal/At the command line), can I dim the display? |
| 19:48.01 | raduga | use setfl |
| 19:48.09 | raduga | 'setfl [0-6]' |
| 19:48.47 | raduga | "set front light" even though its a backlight on C-series |
| 19:50.46 | arrummzen | That worked, thanks =) |
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| 20:17.21 | mynameisnotnick | hi |
| 20:17.51 | mynameisnotnick | does anyone know how to 'open' a cf card? |
| 20:20.42 | madeddie | ehm |
| 20:20.44 | madeddie | what? |
| 20:21.50 | mynameisnotnick | I have got a 'broken' wlan compact flash card and now I want to have a look inside it |
| 20:23.15 | madeddie | ah |
| 20:23.18 | madeddie | literally open |
| 20:23.21 | madeddie | not 'open' |
| 20:23.24 | madeddie | well, with force |
| 20:23.45 | madeddie | they're not meant to be opened easily for repair, they're usually glued shut |
| 20:25.01 | mynameisnotnick | hmm, but I want to open it gently in order not o break it completely. |
| 20:25.13 | mynameisnotnick | as it has at the moment only a loose contact |
| 20:25.52 | madeddie | then open it gently, pry it open with a small screwdriver or sturdy pin |
| 20:26.04 | madeddie | there is no neat way of doing it except doing it gently |
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| 20:36.27 | madeddie | mynameisnotnick: kewl |
| 20:36.30 | madeddie | make pictures |
| 20:36.39 | madeddie | always nice to see bare electronics and somebody might use 'm |
| 20:38.45 | zip|6kL | what we talking about? |
| 20:38.57 | zip|6kL | we making z pr0n? |
| 20:43.24 | mynameisnotnick | barely legal electronics |
| 20:45.10 | zip|6kL | how so |
| 20:46.09 | mynameisnotnick | was just a joke |
| 20:47.37 | mynameisnotnick | but i have no clue what is broken inmy card |
| 20:48.30 | zip|6kL | what card is this? |
| 20:49.24 | mynameisnotnick | dlink dcf660w http://trisoft.de/dlinkwlan.htm |
| 20:50.33 | mynameisnotnick | and the connection often breaks down if I dont presste card all the time |
| 20:52.06 | ljp | my 660 does extactly tyhe same thing |
| 20:52.11 | ljp | pos |
| 20:52.27 | ljp | i have had much better like with netgear 701 |
| 20:53.00 | raduga | I don't have a dlink CF card |
| 20:53.13 | raduga | I *did* have a dlink pcmcia wifi, it sucked |
| 20:53.23 | raduga | overheated, and had a terrible range |
| 20:53.25 | mynameisnotnick | I've asked the local vendor about it: this is a common cf-card issue |
| 20:53.32 | raduga | and randomly just stopped working. |
| 20:53.40 | ljp | its a common 660w issue |
| 20:53.41 | raduga | hence: I did not buy a dlink CF card. |
| 20:54.08 | ljp | we have several 701's at work that have worked for about 4 years |
| 20:54.25 | raduga | linksys has done well by me, |
| 20:54.37 | raduga | even though some people have reported issues with them |
| 20:54.40 | mynameisnotnick | wow, but aren't they very expensive? |
| 20:54.58 | mynameisnotnick | I recently bought this one :http://21byte.de/22052004/11MBit_Compact_Flash_WLAN_Karte_OvisLink_AirLive_WL-1100CF.html?cPath=23_49_64 |
| 20:55.18 | ljp | dont think the 701 are overly pricey |
| 20:55.56 | mynameisnotnick | how much do the cost? |
| 20:56.31 | zip|6kL | i linke linksys myself but that could be my cisco training talking |
| 20:57.28 | ljp | linksys are good too, I think |
| 20:58.03 | mynameisnotnick | where can I buy these? |
| 20:58.13 | ljp | http://www.techgroup21.com/subpage.asp?subnavID=102 |
| 20:58.42 | raduga | ljp: absentia and others have reported them failing suddenly after 6mo or so. |
| 20:58.52 | mynameisnotnick | hmm and whatabout the ranges? |
| 20:59.03 | raduga | range is ok |
| 20:59.06 | raduga | not *great* |
| 20:59.07 | ljp | interesting.. |
| 20:59.17 | raduga | battery drain is also ok. not terrible, not wonderful. |
| 20:59.46 | raduga | at least the wcf12 |
| 21:00.14 | mynameisnotnick | i have a very weak AP, so a good range would be nice. |
| 21:00.14 | mynameisnotnick | -->whichone is the best? |
| 21:00.53 | raduga | I have a 4 year old linksys; it's starting to have problems |
| 21:01.11 | raduga | freezes once in awhile; stops dhcp once in awhile |
| 21:01.50 | raduga | it behaved fine, for the first 3.5 years of its life, though. |
| 21:02.15 | raduga | note: linksys AP firmware used to be somewhat weak. It's improved since then. |
| 21:08.15 | George | ljp: FLOOBLE |
| 21:11.09 | ljp | really |
| 21:15.30 | koyote | oi |
| 21:17.45 | mynameisnotnick | so, I resoldered the antenna |
| 21:17.55 | mynameisnotnick | I hope this fixes my card |
| 21:19.15 | koyote | i need to mess with the linux wap when we get home |
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| 23:11.51 | foo | Luke-Jr: Hmm, does that coupon / product exist? I googled, no luck really. |
| 23:14.25 | Luke-Jr | foo: they used to... the coupon was still around on May 31, so there's likely a new version |
| 23:14.30 | Luke-Jr | no idea if they intend to restock on the product |
| 23:15.46 | Luke-Jr | they might have noticed the large interest and decided they were losing $ by having that item |
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| 23:22.14 | foo | Luke-Jr: hmm, ok. I wonder where I should go to get another. $20 is *really* nice for a wifi card. Thanks... if you find out by any chance if it still exists, let me know. Thanks |
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