| 00:01.45 | |pucelab| | this is what i am going to buy: http://i1.ebayimg.com/03/i/04/1c/2d/bc_3.JPG |
| 00:02.24 | zip|6kL | aww its cute |
| 00:02.41 | |pucelab| | the charger is the usual one, isn't it? |
| 00:03.05 | zip|6kL | looks right |
| 00:03.06 | |pucelab| | (EA-70S: 100-230V) |
| 00:03.34 | |pucelab| | (i hope, we are 230V here at spain) |
| 00:10.27 | |pucelab| | is there a version the charger that is just 110V? (the one at sharpusa.com is 100-230) |
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| 00:11.59 | |pucelab| | I am going to bid for it anyway, and read the label at the charger to know if i have to buy a transformer or not :) |
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| 02:06.18 | euphem | anyone talking? |
| 02:06.27 | zip|6kL | nope |
| 02:06.32 | euphem | why not? |
| 02:06.35 | synth | no |
| 02:06.38 | zip|6kL | cause nothing to talke aobut |
| 02:06.42 | euphem | really |
| 02:06.46 | euphem | 45 people and nothing to talk about? |
| 02:06.53 | euphem | well, 52 i guess |
| 02:06.57 | euphem | 45 was a guess |
| 02:07.07 | zip|6kL | nope no one has come in asking for help so nothing to talk about |
| 02:07.11 | euphem | I'm thinking about getting a zaurus - any votes? |
| 02:07.16 | euphem | on which one() |
| 02:07.32 | zip|6kL | well what u want/need it to do |
| 02:07.53 | zip|6kL | i say get an oqo and install linux if u have the cash btw |
| 02:08.02 | euphem | mostly to keep up w/ e-mail, AIM, webserf |
| 02:08.08 | euphem | play movies / SNES if possible |
| 02:08.20 | zip|6kL | sounds like you want built in wifi then right? |
| 02:08.36 | euphem | well, i want wifi. CF wifi is fine |
| 02:08.58 | zip|6kL | well u willing to pony a cf slot to wifi and lose that in storage? |
| 02:09.17 | euphem | i'm wondering if the 255/400Mhz chipset is significantly different from the 270/416Mhz in the new ones |
| 02:09.24 | euphem | if the 300ish price difference is justified |
| 02:09.50 | euphem | w/ the 3k there would be no loss |
| 02:09.55 | euphem | i have no huge storage needs |
| 02:10.06 | euphem | use 1 gig SD in case of getting a cheap 6k |
| 02:10.08 | zip|6kL | video |
| 02:10.15 | euphem | how is the video on these? |
| 02:10.27 | euphem | i haven't used one - what is the performance like? |
| 02:10.30 | zip|6kL | the vga screen of the 6k is wonderious |
| 02:10.40 | |pucelab| | (50USD+S&H... will i be the action winner? *nervous* *nervous*) |
| 02:10.41 | euphem | lol but how is the graphics processor |
| 02:11.05 | zip|6kL | it has only one processor that i know of |
| 02:11.22 | euphem | on the 5500 you are bidding on? |
| 02:11.26 | euphem | well i mean |
| 02:11.31 | euphem | the screen looks good |
| 02:11.34 | euphem | but does video lag |
| 02:11.36 | euphem | do SNES games lag |
| 02:11.43 | |pucelab| | yes, the 5500 for 50USD :) |
| 02:11.47 | zip|6kL | SNES for sure |
| 02:11.55 | zip|6kL | video if you encode it right its fine |
| 02:11.59 | euphem | even on the c3000? |
| 02:12.08 | euphem | is that a software issue or a hardware issue? |
| 02:12.10 | zip|6kL | dont have a C3k cant tell u |
| 02:12.50 | euphem | i don't see a 5500 ending soon on e-bay |
| 02:12.58 | euphem | they usually go for around 100 i think |
| 02:12.58 | |pucelab| | 30 seconds... *afraid of last-second bidders* |
| 02:13.14 | |pucelab| | 55, 21 secs... |
| 02:13.42 | euphem | what's the name of the auction? |
| 02:13.45 | euphem | lol |
| 02:13.48 | |pucelab| | oooooh, 81 USD |
| 02:13.50 | euphem | not that i will bid against you |
| 02:13.56 | euphem | i just wondered what to search for in the future |
| 02:14.01 | |pucelab| | http://offer.ebay.es/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=5775662379 |
| 02:14.31 | |pucelab| | (ebay.es link to an ebay.com auction) |
| 02:14.34 | euphem | ohhhh |
| 02:14.36 | euphem | spanish e-bay |
| 02:14.38 | euphem | weird |
| 02:14.56 | |pucelab| | heh |
| 02:15.39 | |pucelab| | from 40 usd to 81 usd in 30 seconds |
| 02:15.52 | raduga | ebay sucks |
| 02:16.33 | raduga | hmm. |
| 02:16.34 | |pucelab| | yes, anyway 81usd is a nice price... S&H sucks |
| 02:16.46 | euphem | so |
| 02:16.50 | raduga | i wonder what the standard expected lifespan of a 5500 battery is today |
| 02:17.08 | raduga | i.e. it's probably already 2-3 years old |
| 02:17.11 | euphem | does the zaurus load web pages fast via wifi |
| 02:17.25 | raduga | euphem: as fast as you want. |
| 02:17.31 | euphem | ?? |
| 02:17.57 | euphem | well that can't be true |
| 02:18.01 | raduga | well. wifi is limited to 802.11b so that's 10mbps |
| 02:18.05 | zip|6kL | it loads no slower than any other 802.11b |
| 02:18.09 | raduga | and rendering speeds take another hit |
| 02:18.23 | raduga | it's reasonable, though. |
| 02:18.26 | euphem | i'm trying to decide whether to go for a used one or for one of the new c1000, c3000 |
| 02:18.41 | raduga | euphem: definitely get a C760/C860 or C1k/C3k |
| 02:18.45 | euphem | is the NES emulator good on all of them |
| 02:18.51 | euphem | not the 6k? |
| 02:18.54 | raduga | don't bother with the SL-5x00 or 6000 |
| 02:18.55 | euphem | that's another debate |
| 02:19.01 | |pucelab| | well, i'll save my EUR, and wait for another ocassion :) |
| 02:19.03 | euphem | the 6k seems big |
| 02:19.05 | zip|6kL | why not? |
| 02:19.11 | euphem | and it's overpiced right now on e-bay mostly |
| 02:19.13 | raduga | euphem: it's big, and the keyboard isn't as good |
| 02:19.16 | zip|6kL | fits in my pocket |
| 02:19.26 | euphem | yeah but the c860 has a CF card sticking out :-p |
| 02:19.28 | raduga | the C series are smaller |
| 02:19.41 | raduga | yes. 6k is the only one with integrated wifi |
| 02:19.50 | raduga | it really depends on what you want it for |
| 02:19.50 | euphem | i think i'll go with a c anyway |
| 02:19.52 | raduga | and what you want to do with it |
| 02:20.16 | raduga | if you want to type, much (or at all) go for C-series |
| 02:20.35 | euphem | where's the best place to get it? |
| 02:20.37 | raduga | if you don't much care about typing, stick with 6k |
| 02:20.49 | euphem | the sources so far: e-bay, craigslist, oesf forum |
| 02:20.51 | euphem | any others? |
| 02:21.01 | raduga | it depends... |
| 02:21.15 | euphem | ? |
| 02:21.21 | zip|6kL | i totaly disapear the typing is fine on the 6k tho ive never used a c series |
| 02:21.21 | raduga | the cheapest price for a reliable unit is pricejapan |
| 02:21.25 | raduga | (for a new zaurus) |
| 02:21.30 | raduga | http://www.pricejapan.com |
| 02:21.49 | raduga | for decent service, warranty, etc, streamlinecpus is reputed to be very good. |
| 02:22.01 | raduga | several people from around here bought from streamlinecpus |
| 02:22.06 | raduga | http://www.streamlinecpus.com |
| 02:22.25 | euphem | they offer the c series |
| 02:22.28 | raduga | http://conics.net has c great prices on new *and* used zauruses, but their service has been flaky lately |
| 02:22.29 | euphem | anywhere to get a 6000w ? |
| 02:22.39 | raduga | euphem: for a 6000, go eBay |
| 02:22.42 | euphem | their 860 price is silly |
| 02:22.58 | euphem | i just wish i could get the 6000 on amazon for $370 |
| 02:23.03 | raduga | heh |
| 02:23.06 | euphem | like it was back a while ago :-( |
| 02:23.31 | euphem | the $900 6k's on e-bay are also silly |
| 02:23.33 | raduga | i was *very* close to getting a $200 SL-5500 from tigerdirect |
| 02:23.39 | raduga | but absentia talked me out of it :) |
| 02:23.49 | euphem | i could have gotten a 5600 on e-bay for 130 |
| 02:23.53 | euphem | didn't have the money right then |
| 02:23.57 | raduga | this was *new* |
| 02:24.03 | vealstock | raduga - 5500's can be had on ebay for an average of ~150 |
| 02:24.03 | euphem | couldn't borrow the money fast enough before someone else got it |
| 02:24.06 | raduga | and a bit over a year ago. |
| 02:24.21 | raduga | vealstock: doubt you can get a 5500 new for $150. |
| 02:24.31 | euphem | so probably price japan then |
| 02:24.41 | euphem | lol another question |
| 02:24.41 | vealstock | where have the 'new' ones been for the past 6 years?! |
| 02:24.44 | raduga | pricejapan doesn't stock old merchandise though. |
| 02:24.46 | euphem | what rom, and why? |
| 02:24.55 | raduga | they may not have teh C860 anymore. maybe just C1000 and C3000 |
| 02:25.02 | zip|6kL | pdaxrom |
| 02:25.03 | raduga | euphem: all of them. |
| 02:25.06 | euphem | most people say that the sharp rom is bad |
| 02:25.17 | euphem | it seems split between cacko and pdaxrom |
| 02:25.19 | raduga | actually it depends on what zaurus you get, different ones are optimized for different machines. |
| 02:25.20 | zip|6kL | i like the sharp rom its alright |
| 02:25.21 | euphem | with less openzaurus |
| 02:25.35 | zip|6kL | cacko == pdaxrom |
| 02:25.36 | raduga | openzaurus is a better architecture |
| 02:25.38 | euphem | is pdaxrom any faster? |
| 02:25.48 | euphem | what |
| 02:25.50 | raduga | zip: no. |
| 02:25.55 | euphem | i thought cacko and pdaxrom were totally different |
| 02:26.06 | zip|6kL | yeah i noticed a speed increase when i went to pdaxrom |
| 02:26.09 | raduga | CaCko = pdaXrom AND CaCko QT |
| 02:26.19 | zip|6kL | thats what i ment |
| 02:26.24 | euphem | oh |
| 02:26.26 | raduga | pdaXrom and CaCko QT are different roms... used to be one team, but they split a few years ago. |
| 02:26.31 | euphem | i'm not familiar with linux very much |
| 02:26.37 | euphem | what is with the X/QT stuff |
| 02:26.49 | euphem | can someone tell me a little about the OS organization |
| 02:26.54 | raduga | euphem: X and QT are different window managers. |
| 02:26.57 | raduga | euphem: sure. |
| 02:27.10 | raduga | X is the standard windowing system for linux, and unix in genreal. |
| 02:27.23 | euphem | okay, and then there is a GUI on top of those window managers |
| 02:27.37 | offroadgeek_ | damn, the contender finaly SUCKED |
| 02:27.37 | euphem | do GUI's require a specific window manager, or can they run on all of them? |
| 02:27.48 | raduga | it's a bit clunky for a PDA, and not really optimized for speed... but it's standard, and you'll find many, many more piefeces of software for it. |
| 02:27.58 | raduga | euphem: sorry. I made an error. |
| 02:28.01 | raduga | er. |
| 02:28.16 | raduga | X and QT are GUI systems. Window manager is a layer on top of the GUI |
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| 02:28.27 | euphem | i thought though |
| 02:28.29 | euphem | that |
| 02:28.32 | euphem | for example |
| 02:28.33 | |pucelab| | *snif, snif.. my poor zaurus, not being shipped to my hands, *snif* *snif* |
| 02:28.34 | |pucelab| | :p |
| 02:28.37 | euphem | in linux you install like |
| 02:28.44 | euphem | the kernel, then x11, then KDE or Gnome |
| 02:28.51 | euphem | what about the zaurus? |
| 02:28.59 | zip|6kL | well the z has roms |
| 02:29.01 | raduga | QT is a GUI that's optimized for PDAs. it's in some waysw better suited for the Zaurus, but it's noit unix-standard; you'll find less QT software available than X in genreal. |
| 02:29.16 | raduga | KDE and Gnome are layers on top of X |
| 02:29.19 | zip|6kL | which most cases are combined kernel, gui, windows manager |
| 02:29.27 | euphem | oh |
| 02:29.30 | euphem | so on a zaurus |
| 02:29.38 | euphem | there is no level above QT ? |
| 02:29.46 | offroadgeek_ | keep in mind though that qt apps are usually much smaller (footprint) than x apps |
| 02:29.47 | raduga | QT and X are the same level of GUI |
| 02:29.52 | raduga | offroadgeek: yes. |
| 02:29.58 | euphem | are there any other alternatives to X and QT on the zaurus? |
| 02:30.07 | raduga | largely they are it. |
| 02:30.08 | zip|6kL | opie |
| 02:30.14 | raduga | oh, sorry. |
| 02:30.14 | euphem | GPE? |
| 02:30.20 | zip|6kL | yes |
| 02:30.26 | offroadgeek_ | yes, there are two main X distros: OZ/GPE and pdaxrom |
| 02:30.35 | raduga | opie is a reimplemenation of QT (offroadgeek, is that accurate?) |
| 02:30.39 | euphem | PDAxrom is another one |
| 02:30.39 | raduga | er. |
| 02:30.44 | offroadgeek_ | but that depends on the model z you get (if the distro is avail for it) |
| 02:30.47 | euphem | or pdaXrom is x/qt? |
| 02:30.53 | raduga | pdaxrom is X |
| 02:30.56 | euphem | ok |
| 02:31.00 | offroadgeek_ | raduga: right |
| 02:31.02 | raduga | OZ is X and/or QT |
| 02:31.14 | euphem | so then there are |
| 02:31.17 | raduga | currently OZ has the option of using either X or QT. |
| 02:31.22 | euphem | x, qt, GPE, opie |
| 02:31.24 | offroadgeek_ | euphem: no, pdaxrom is X based which is separate from x/qt |
| 02:31.31 | euphem | hmmm |
| 02:31.32 | raduga | GPE is a layer on top of X |
| 02:31.40 | raduga | analogous to KDE and Gnome |
| 02:31.43 | euphem | hmmm |
| 02:31.49 | euphem | so how does x/qt work |
| 02:31.52 | euphem | you can use either/or ? |
| 02:31.55 | offroadgeek_ | x/qt can be "dual booted" from most roms |
| 02:32.04 | euphem | oh ok |
| 02:32.07 | euphem | oh |
| 02:32.09 | euphem | what is a ROM |
| 02:32.16 | raduga | X/QT is an implementation of X that can run under QT |
| 02:32.21 | raduga | it's a bit slower than native X |
| 02:32.22 | euphem | it is a package of the kernel and a window system? |
| 02:32.23 | euphem | ok okay |
| 02:32.27 | euphem | so it's like an emulator |
| 02:32.53 | offroadgeek_ | for example, I have OZ/opie rom on my c1000 and pocketworkstation (debian) installed on a SD card |
| 02:32.56 | raduga | well, not exactly. |
| 02:33.09 | raduga | X/QT is actually an X server rhat runs under QT |
| 02:33.16 | raduga | and uses VNC |
| 02:33.28 | euphem | umm |
| 02:33.30 | offroadgeek_ | same with pocketworkstation (afaik) |
| 02:33.30 | euphem | what is VNC |
| 02:33.41 | offroadgeek_ | very nasty children |
| 02:33.44 | offroadgeek_ | oops |
| 02:33.56 | vealstock | lol |
| 02:34.04 | raduga | VNC is a desktop sharing protocol; similar to windows' Remote Desktop |
| 02:34.14 | euphem | i'm a mac person |
| 02:34.18 | euphem | how does this work? |
| 02:34.32 | vealstock | offroadgeek - is oz pretty sweet on a c1000, bearing in mind the issues in the release notes? |
| 02:34.40 | raduga | VNC runs on mac, windows, unix, amiga, and a few dozen other platforms, too. |
| 02:34.50 | offroadgeek_ | well on the z you install a vcn client (freepebble, fbvnc, etc.) to vcn to the x/qt or pocketworkstation environment |
| 02:35.06 | offroadgeek_ | vealstock: it's absolutely awesome |
| 02:35.16 | raduga | on a Mac you'd run a VNC server in the background, and then open a VNC client on... another box somewhere else. |
| 02:35.21 | raduga | windows/unix/amiga/etc |
| 02:35.28 | vealstock | offroadgeek - awesome!!! im upgrading from a c760 and was worried about alternate ROM issues |
| 02:35.35 | offroadgeek_ | vealstock: I truely love having oz/opie on my c1000, but I do have BIG issues with the browser functionality on oz/opie |
| 02:35.35 | raduga | and it would replicate your mac desktop, and mouse function on the remote host. |
| 02:35.46 | vealstock | ohh.. is konqueror still the default app for that? |
| 02:35.56 | euphem | how fast is that? |
| 02:36.05 | raduga | (it's actually how I manage the mac workstations in my department, since most of them are on another floor) |
| 02:36.06 | offroadgeek_ | vealstock: konq/e as well as opera 7.55 segfaults very frequently |
| 02:36.20 | raduga | euphem: it's as fast as your network, really. |
| 02:36.38 | raduga | if you have 100bt it's pretty chipper. |
| 02:36.38 | euphem | so if i ran my laptop across the room |
| 02:36.52 | euphem | i could use the zaurus to see what's happening on my mac? |
| 02:36.52 | vealstock | offroadgeek - ohhh... sorry to hear that... :/ do you know how cacko-QT1k is coming along? dont see too much action on it on the forums.. |
| 02:36.58 | raduga | yes :) |
| 02:37.01 | offroadgeek_ | vealstock: I couldn't do most of my web browsing tasks (manage oe forums, look for a job on dice, monster, etc) so I had to switch back to sharp rom reluctantly |
| 02:37.06 | raduga | or use your mac to access the zaurus desktop |
| 02:37.12 | vealstock | dang |
| 02:37.23 | euphem | that sounds useful |
| 02:37.25 | offroadgeek_ | vealstock: no word yet on cacko... I'm looking forward to that release |
| 02:37.34 | euphem | it does this graphically though |
| 02:37.39 | euphem | my zaurus screen would be relatively small |
| 02:37.46 | euphem | while my mac screen is big |
| 02:37.52 | raduga | try: |
| 02:37.56 | offroadgeek_ | vealstock: though pdaxrom just released rc10 for the 1000 this morning... it's quite nice, except they need to fix a partitioning problem... |
| 02:38.02 | euphem | is it giving me access to the mac GUI - or just to my mac's console |
| 02:38.06 | vealstock | offroadgeek: yes that will be tight!! seems like beta testing for 3k is going well... i cant wait till my new machine ships so i can join a test team... |
| 02:38.11 | raduga | http://www.redstonesoftware.com/vnc.html |
| 02:38.31 | raduga | euphem: it replicates the desktop. |
| 02:38.34 | offroadgeek_ | vealstock: which one are you getting? |
| 02:38.35 | vealstock | offroadgeek: ahhh! excellent... so i won't be completely, 100% stuck with the factory rom at least :) |
| 02:38.50 | vealstock | offroadgeek - trading up to c1000 |
| 02:38.52 | euphem | how clunky is X |
| 02:38.55 | euphem | is it terribly slow |
| 02:38.58 | euphem | or just a little slow |
| 02:38.58 | euphem | ? |
| 02:39.07 | raduga | euphem: it depends on what you want to do with it. |
| 02:39.08 | offroadgeek_ | vealstock: sorry.. you just said that ;) |
| 02:39.17 | euphem | what is it bad at? |
| 02:39.25 | raduga | QT is inherently faster, because (as ofroadgeek says) the files tend to be smaller |
| 02:39.27 | vealstock | hehe.. it's ok |
| 02:39.53 | raduga | it's not very good at full motion video (without significant help) |
| 02:40.01 | raduga | the more screen redraws you have, the slower it will be. |
| 02:40.06 | offroadgeek_ | in pdaxrom, firefox is relatively speedy (for a handheld)... the big wait is to when launching the app |
| 02:40.17 | raduga | X isn't *very* good for games, but it's functional |
| 02:40.29 | offroadgeek_ | but most people leave key apps launched in pdaxrom (firefox, thunderbird, sylpheed, etc.) |
| 02:40.37 | euphem | so QT is faster, but has less options |
| 02:40.41 | raduga | euphem: the big difference you'll see is this: |
| 02:40.55 | raduga | when you click on an X app, you may have a few seconds to wait, before it opens. |
| 02:41.12 | raduga | when you start a QT app it is more liekly to open within a small fraction of a second |
| 02:41.28 | euphem | once it is loaded into ram though it's not much different? |
| 02:41.38 | raduga | not too much, for anything you'll be doing on a PDA |
| 02:42.13 | euphem | has anyone gotten a z working with 802.11g ? |
| 02:42.31 | raduga | euphem: nope. I don't think there are any 802.11g cards yet supported |
| 02:42.38 | offroadgeek_ | euphem: are there 802.11g cf cards out |
| 02:42.40 | raduga | there are very few CF format cards yet |
| 02:42.53 | offroadgeek_ | raduga ;) (same thought) |
| 02:42.54 | euphem | yes, i'm pretty sure they are out |
| 02:43.01 | offroadgeek_ | link? |
| 02:43.08 | raduga | lemme see |
| 02:43.26 | euphem | http://www.linksys.com/press/press.asp?prid=184 |
| 02:43.35 | raduga | yep :) |
| 02:43.53 | euphem | that's sad |
| 02:44.02 | raduga | most likely someone will write a driver for it eventually |
| 02:44.04 | euphem | it seems like that would be a priority - to port a linux driver |
| 02:44.12 | raduga | euphem: two things |
| 02:44.43 | offroadgeek_ | euphem: I stand corrected :) |
| 02:44.45 | raduga | this is a VERY new product, I believe the linksys card uses a different chipset than their PCMCIA cards with the 802.11g support. |
| 02:45.41 | raduga | also, it takes longer for CF cards to be ported sometimes, because there are relatively far fewer usesrs on the arm/pda platform, than i286/desktop |
| 02:45.43 | raduga | er. i386. |
| 02:45.55 | offroadgeek_ | euphem: also keep in mind, what will you really need 54mb/s on a z for? it's not like you'll be doing huge amounds of data transfer (as with a laptop/desktop) or streaming video |
| 02:46.06 | euphem | true... |
| 02:46.11 | raduga | if the linksys CF and pcmcia cards use the same chipset (I don't know) then drivers will be ported sooner |
| 02:46.23 | raduga | because there will be many more people interested in writing them. |
| 02:46.24 | euphem | how does 11mbps translate to kbytes / second |
| 02:46.25 | euphem | ? |
| 02:46.31 | raduga | hehehe |
| 02:46.35 | euphem | is that 11 Megabytes per second? |
| 02:46.39 | offroadgeek_ | also, linksys isn't really know for their open source compatability |
| 02:46.41 | raduga | er. sorry. that wasn't a joke |
| 02:46.43 | raduga | 11 mega bits per second |
| 02:46.50 | euphem | byte = bit ? |
| 02:46.53 | raduga | 8 bits in a byte, plus framing |
| 02:47.00 | euphem | mk |
| 02:47.07 | raduga | so call it 1 mega byte per second more or less. |
| 02:47.08 | euphem | how does that division work out |
| 02:47.12 | euphem | o ok |
| 02:47.15 | euphem | that's not bad at all |
| 02:47.23 | euphem | i can't even get that with my 802.11g card |
| 02:47.27 | euphem | or my ethernet for that matter |
| 02:48.02 | raduga | practically, I get about 500k bytes/second over 802.11b on my zaurus here |
| 02:48.15 | raduga | (or will when I have a zaurus again. soon.) |
| 02:48.36 | euphem | what is the speed difference b/t the cxx and the cxxx ? |
| 02:48.39 | euphem | er |
| 02:48.42 | raduga | very little. |
| 02:48.43 | euphem | cxxx and cxxxx |
| 02:48.44 | offroadgeek_ | I have 802.11g cards on two of my desktops with a b/g AP and my 802.11b CF card works perfect on my z |
| 02:48.52 | euphem | what about the overclock |
| 02:48.56 | euphem | does that do anything? |
| 02:48.59 | raduga | the C760 and C860 use a pxa255 cpu |
| 02:49.00 | offroadgeek_ | it all co-exists nicely |
| 02:49.08 | raduga | at 400mhz |
| 02:49.53 | offroadgeek_ | pdaxrom (and other roms iirc) have overclocking apps where you can bump it up to ~450mgz or so |
| 02:49.53 | raduga | the C1000 and C3000 usea pxa270 at 416mhz |
| 02:50.04 | euphem | yes i know thoes specs |
| 02:50.07 | euphem | but how do they translate in reality |
| 02:50.08 | offroadgeek_ | but it's not recommended to leave it at a higher setting for long |
| 02:50.26 | raduga | although, the people at trisoft might recommend it ;) |
| 02:50.43 | offroadgeek_ | euphem: I don't notice any speed increase in my 1000 vs my 760 |
| 02:51.12 | euphem | then why get the 1000? |
| 02:51.12 | euphem | gadget lust? |
| 02:51.31 | offroadgeek_ | me... always gadget lust... but I also wanted the usb host |
| 02:51.42 | raduga | (Marc from Trisoft once said, in aggravation, that people *should* use the Japanese power supplies in US/EU... so they burn out their chargers, so they can buy more zauruses from him ) :) |
| 02:51.42 | euphem | is that really annoying? |
| 02:51.52 | offroadgeek_ | also for me, I had my 760 for almost 2 years... so it was definitely time for a new toy |
| 02:51.58 | euphem | the mountability is the diff between the 760 / 860 |
| 02:52.11 | raduga | mountability is software. |
| 02:52.19 | euphem | there is a deal for a 760 on the oesf forums |
| 02:52.20 | raduga | only hardware difference is cosmetic |
| 02:52.25 | euphem | errr |
| 02:52.28 | offroadgeek_ | euphem: mountability? |
| 02:52.32 | euphem | so the 760 doesn't connect via USB |
| 02:52.41 | euphem | what port does it use to connect then |
| 02:52.42 | raduga | offroadgeek: updated sharp roms |
| 02:52.51 | offroadgeek_ | ahh... gotcha |
| 02:53.10 | raduga | 860 roms allowed some USB functionality that the 760 sharp rom did not. |
| 02:53.22 | offroadgeek_ | euphem: c1000/3000 and sl-6000 have both usb host and client, the older models have only usb client |
| 02:53.34 | euphem | what's the difference? |
| 02:53.36 | offroadgeek_ | unless you get a CF usb host card |
| 02:53.50 | raduga | client means that you can connect through USB to a PC |
| 02:54.09 | offroadgeek_ | well, I can plug in a usb keyboard and mouse to my 1000 or 6000 |
| 02:54.09 | raduga | host means that you can connect to a PC or to USB peripherals |
| 02:54.36 | offroadgeek_ | or I can connect my 120GB usb hard drive to my Zs for ultra storage |
| 02:55.09 | offroadgeek_ | lpotter posted a note in the forums today that he got his logitech usb webcam working on his 3000 |
| 02:55.15 | euphem | so it's for accessories basically |
| 02:55.28 | offroadgeek_ | of course... your Z needs toys too ;) |
| 02:55.39 | euphem | lol play friends |
| 02:55.47 | vealstock | 000000 |
| 02:56.01 | raduga | or if you want a desktop replacement |
| 02:56.17 | raduga | connect your printer, keyboard, mouse, DVD burner, etc |
| 02:56.23 | raduga | and chuck the Mac out the window |
| 02:56.38 | offroadgeek_ | there's no way I'm chucking my powerbook out the window! |
| 02:56.40 | raduga | one thing lacking is a good video out |
| 02:56.46 | euphem | lol |
| 02:56.47 | euphem | yeah |
| 02:56.50 | euphem | my pbook is my friend |
| 02:56.51 | raduga | since USB/CF isn't fast enough |
| 02:56.54 | euphem | 12 inches of joy |
| 02:57.05 | euphem | haha |
| 02:57.33 | euphem | what the big diff b/t the c1000 and the c860 ? |
| 02:57.34 | offroadgeek_ | I wish I had gotten the 12 inch.. stupidly I got a 15 inch pb |
| 02:57.39 | euphem | eh |
| 02:57.41 | euphem | your movies look better |
| 02:58.05 | euphem | and window management on the 12 sucks sometimes |
| 02:58.05 | raduga | euphem: big difference is USB host, and that you're buying a newer machine. |
| 02:58.05 | raduga | newer machine = newer battery |
| 02:58.07 | offroadgeek_ | euphem: usb host and a slightly different keyboard config, and slightly (not noticable) faster processor |
| 02:58.18 | euphem | hmmm |
| 02:58.22 | euphem | but the price might be like 1/2 |
| 02:58.29 | offroadgeek_ | euphem: if you can afford it, go with the 1000... you won't regret it |
| 02:58.43 | euphem | what about the 3k |
| 02:58.51 | euphem | what's w/ the 16 mb of rom space on the 3k |
| 02:58.54 | euphem | why were they so cheap? |
| 02:59.04 | raduga | offroadgeek: there's really only one thing I worry about, with regards to getting a C1k now. |
| 02:59.10 | offroadgeek_ | my only fear with the 3k is the hard drive... too scary for me to carry/drop/bounce around with |
| 02:59.22 | raduga | I fear that the next generation Zaurus will use... yet another incompatible battery :( |
| 02:59.29 | euphem | well - replace it with the flash drive |
| 02:59.34 | euphem | like they said in the hardware section |
| 02:59.51 | offroadgeek_ | raduga: get over that worry... I have three different Zs that use different batteries |
| 02:59.58 | raduga | yes, I should. |
| 03:00.05 | offroadgeek_ | only my 760 and 5500 can use the same small battery |
| 03:00.19 | raduga | it's *probable* that my C1k will experience massive hardware failure before the batterie does. |
| 03:01.11 | offroadgeek_ | I have two of the "large" batteries for my 760 and both are still going strong |
| 03:01.28 | offroadgeek_ | I need to buy a spare for my 1000... someday |
| 03:01.28 | raduga | hm. 5000D/5500/5600/C700/C750/C760/C860, on the BL06. probably just a fluke |
| 03:01.56 | offroadgeek_ | but the bl06 is the tiny battery.... ~5 min of usage :( |
| 03:02.11 | raduga | 5min means that it's OLD. |
| 03:02.14 | offroadgeek_ | the BL08 is *much* better (for the Zs that can take it) |
| 03:02.41 | offroadgeek_ | yeah... the battery on my 5500 is shot... but then again my 5500 is a paperweight |
| 03:02.45 | raduga | I was getting 1h45m on my C760 with wifi, on a BL06 before the C760 died |
| 03:02.59 | offroadgeek_ | raduga: that sucks! |
| 03:03.14 | raduga | something like 2h40m from a BL08 |
| 03:03.15 | offroadgeek_ | I got easily 3+ hours with wifi with the bl08 |
| 03:03.41 | raduga | actually, maybe 2h50m |
| 03:03.46 | euphem | the cxxxx have better batteries? |
| 03:03.56 | raduga | 5h+ without wifi |
| 03:04.12 | raduga | larger batteries |
| 03:04.14 | offroadgeek_ | I got 2h52m |
| 03:04.19 | raduga | but hungrier too |
| 03:04.49 | euphem | hmmm |
| 03:04.51 | euphem | does it even out? |
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| 03:05.11 | offroadgeek_ | euphem: yeah... it's about the same |
| 03:05.23 | euphem | anyone have a c3000? |
| 03:08.48 | euphem | lol |
| 03:08.51 | euphem | is anyone selling a z ? |
| 03:10.49 | raduga | not I |
| 03:10.53 | raduga | not George. |
| 03:11.21 | raduga | (george has two zauruses, but he won't sell you either one) |
| 03:11.30 | euphem | lol |
| 03:11.41 | euphem | what is a good price on a c760 / c860 used |
| 03:11.43 | euphem | like |
| 03:11.46 | euphem | 350? |
| 03:11.53 | euphem | i saw a bunch go on e-bay for that |
| 03:12.02 | euphem | stupid seller sold them all at the same time |
| 03:13.25 | offroadgeek_ | yeah... $350 - $400 |
| 03:13.41 | euphem | and pricejapan for the newer models |
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| 03:13.57 | euphem | how much better is the 6000 screen than the clamshell models |
| 03:14.06 | euphem | why don't the clamshell models use that screen |
| 03:14.07 | offroadgeek_ | well guys... it's time for me to hit the sack... I have interviews tomorrow :) |
| 03:14.13 | euphem | gluck! |
| 03:14.33 | offroadgeek_ | euphem: it's not any better, just a little bigger (4" compared to 3.7") |
| 03:14.38 | offroadgeek_ | thanks |
| 03:15.00 | offroadgeek_ | it's time for me to work again... been off for 3 months |
| 03:15.21 | euphem | sexual brokeass? |
| 03:15.23 | euphem | :-p |
| 03:16.42 | offroadgeek_ | if a new Z does indeed come out later this year, and if it has built-in wifi... then I'll be forced to upgrade again ;) |
| 03:17.00 | euphem | you think i should wait to buy one? |
| 03:17.12 | offroadgeek_ | euphem: no... you may be waiting a long time |
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| 03:18.05 | euphem | is the price increase on the 3k justified |
| 03:18.08 | offroadgeek_ | I guess that depends on wether or not you are patient enough to wait (I'm definitely not!) |
| 03:18.09 | euphem | blaaaah |
| 03:18.13 | euphem | capitalism sucks |
| 03:18.15 | euphem | too much choice |
| 03:18.16 | euphem | :-p |
| 03:18.59 | euphem | i'm also kind of upset there is no pdaxrom for the cxxxx |
| 03:19.12 | offroadgeek_ | there is pdaxrom for the 1000 |
| 03:19.31 | offroadgeek_ | they will be a bit of a wait for pdaxrom for the 3000 though, as they don't have that model z yet |
| 03:19.58 | euphem | is there any advantage in have a c1000 vs c3000 ? |
| 03:20.24 | offroadgeek_ | maybe from a rom perspective... maslovsky has a 1000, so there will be a cacko rom out soon |
| 03:20.25 | zip|6kL | 3k has a harddrive |
| 03:20.38 | offroadgeek_ | the pdaxrom team has a 1000, hence this mornings release of rc10 for the 1000 |
| 03:20.46 | euphem | what about the 16mb rom space in the 3k |
| 03:20.50 | euphem | does that limit anything? |
| 03:21.04 | zip|6kL | how big the rom can big |
| 03:21.21 | euphem | the rom can' run from the hard drive? |
| 03:21.25 | offroadgeek_ | I would say the only limitation is that it has moving parts |
| 03:21.38 | euphem | is 16mb a lot of room for a rom or what |
| 03:21.43 | offroadgeek_ | other than that, it would be nice to have 4gb storage on board |
| 03:21.45 | euphem | compared to 128mb it seems small |
| 03:22.07 | offroadgeek_ | euphem: it's how it's used... |
| 03:22.28 | euphem | so the sharp OS is a lot less than 16mb ? |
| 03:22.40 | euphem | where would you install pdaxrom on the c3000 |
| 03:22.41 | offroadgeek_ | nope |
| 03:22.50 | euphem | is pdaxrom less than 16mb ? |
| 03:22.54 | euphem | or would it go on the hd ? |
| 03:22.54 | offroadgeek_ | I would imagine it would boot from the hard drive |
| 03:23.04 | offroadgeek_ | it wouldn't fit in the 16mb rom |
| 03:23.13 | euphem | what would that space be used for though |
| 03:23.16 | euphem | why did they make it so small |
| 03:23.20 | offroadgeek_ | dirty pics ;) |
| 03:23.23 | euphem | (i don't understand!) |
| 03:23.39 | offroadgeek_ | I have no idea... not too familiar with the 3k model :( |
| 03:23.48 | euphem | so it doesn't matter where you put the kernel |
| 03:23.54 | euphem | ? |
| 03:24.31 | offroadgeek_ | no, it does... I just don't know how it matters with the 3k |
| 03:25.22 | euphem | would sharp have any motivation to limit openzaurus / pdaxrom ? |
| 03:25.38 | offroadgeek_ | no |
| 03:25.55 | offroadgeek_ | that's only my opinion though |
| 03:26.02 | zip|6kL | the new QT actully uses OZ |
| 03:26.06 | euphem | is 16mb plenty for any operating system? |
| 03:26.22 | offroadgeek_ | though it would be stupid for a company to release a linux based device and try to limit open source development |
| 03:26.23 | zip|6kL | nope |
| 03:26.41 | zip|6kL | xp would never fit |
| 03:27.44 | zip|6kL | heh someone should install free dos |
| 03:28.02 | euphem | is there any operating system component that must fit in that 16mb? |
| 03:28.11 | zip|6kL | kernel |
| 03:28.18 | euphem | how big is the kernel now? |
| 03:28.29 | zip|6kL | depends what kernel ur looking at |
| 03:28.37 | euphem | there are different ones!? |
| 03:28.39 | euphem | what's going on |
| 03:28.46 | zip|6kL | yes there are diff ones |
| 03:28.56 | euphem | ?? |
| 03:28.58 | euphem | what are they |
| 03:29.12 | zip|6kL | well there is the speed up one |
| 03:29.26 | zip|6kL | there is the one pdaxrom uses |
| 03:29.32 | zip|6kL | i think oz has its own |
| 03:29.42 | zip|6kL | there is a stock one |
| 03:29.49 | euphem | are they less than 16 mb? |
| 03:29.59 | zip|6kL | actully only sure about the fast and the stock one |
| 03:30.03 | zip|6kL | i have no idae |
| 03:30.06 | offroadgeek_ | yes... most of the kernels are ~1mb |
| 03:30.16 | offroadgeek_ | it's the rom image that takes so much space |
| 03:30.24 | euphem | and that could be put on the hd? |
| 03:30.49 | offroadgeek_ | the new *big* kernel is over 4mb though.. that's with practically every module compiled under the sun |
| 03:30.53 | offroadgeek_ | yep |
| 03:31.06 | euphem | ummm |
| 03:31.09 | euphem | what is a module? |
| 03:31.13 | offroadgeek_ | you may want to get clarification from an actual 3k owner though |
| 03:31.24 | offroadgeek_ | go to kernel.org and read up on kernels :) |
| 03:31.29 | euphem | argh |
| 03:31.32 | euphem | all these rules! |
| 03:31.43 | offroadgeek_ | it's not a rule.. just a tip! |
| 03:31.59 | offroadgeek_ | reading is good... it makes stupid people smart :) |
| 03:32.23 | zip|6kL | yeah just look at the wonders it did for offroadgeek_ |
| 03:32.29 | offroadgeek_ | don't take that the wrong way... I wasn't calling you stupid ;) |
| 03:32.43 | offroadgeek_ | zip|6kl: no shit! |
| 03:33.11 | offroadgeek_ | no amount of reading will prevent me from remaining stupid :( |
| 03:33.17 | euphem | i miss the days of having 1 OS with installation |
| 03:33.25 | euphem | okay... okay.... okay....install |
| 03:33.55 | zip|6kL | euphem: like i said roms come packed so u dont have to worry about the parts enless u wanna |
| 03:34.16 | zip|6kL | like im thinking of trying the newest fast kernel on pdaxrom tomarrow |
| 03:34.54 | offroadgeek_ | night all |
| 03:35.00 | zip|6kL | night offroadgeek_ |
| 03:35.11 | euphem | what is pocketworkstation? |
| 03:35.13 | euphem | is it a rom? |
| 03:35.30 | offroadgeek_ | pocketworkstation.org ;) |
| 03:36.00 | zip|6kL | its the X part of that X/QT u were asking about |
| 03:36.25 | zip|6kL | its installed to a sd/cf card and ran through some fanciness i dont understand |
| 03:36.37 | zip|6kL | (read i could never get it to work) |
| 03:37.25 | euphem | chrooting? |
| 03:37.38 | zip|6kL | uhh yeah search google |
| 03:38.01 | euphem | lol |
| 03:38.05 | euphem | mk i'm gonna go for the ngiht |
| 03:38.10 | euphem | thx for all the help room |
| 03:38.43 | zip|6kL | night |
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| 04:12.37 | Tritis | Hey all, i've got an old zr-5800 and the memory backup battery has gone dead and now the unit won't start up, i get the message "Replace main memory backup battery." And if i hit ok, the unit shuts off. Anyone know how to bypass this? or do i have to replace the battery? |
| 04:13.44 | zip|6kL | i say replace battery |
| 04:14.32 | Tritis | Ok, guess I'll just wait until tomorrow to play with it |
| 04:15.48 | zip|6kL | hmm never heard of zr-5800 |
| 04:17.29 | Tritis | Old monochrome thing. Pick it up on ebay for $40. Takes a pcmica-II card, haven't actually used it though :) |
| 04:17.49 | zip|6kL | wow sounds cool if a wifi card would work in it |
| 04:18.06 | Tritis | I think one would, but the newer zaurus that runs linux seems a whole lot more useful. |
| 04:18.08 | zip|6kL | AA not bad |
| 04:19.09 | zip|6kL | looks like palmsource wants to use linux |
| 04:19.32 | zip|6kL | or palmone whoever it is |
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| 06:04.33 | vealstock | i just ordered a C1000 from pricejapan.com, will they send me a north american adapter or only one good for use in japan? |
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| 06:13.58 | altt | but when it gets here let us know! ;) |
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| 06:40.09 | vealstock | ok :D |
| 06:50.48 | luke-jr__ | vealstock: Japan adapters will work in NA |
| 06:50.58 | luke-jr__ | vealstock: just not as efficiently as a NA adapter |
| 06:51.11 | vealstock | oh... i wont fry my charging circuit/battery? |
| 06:51.17 | luke-jr__ | shouldn't |
| 06:51.26 | vealstock | eeeek |
| 06:51.26 | luke-jr__ | I'm using the original C760 charger in the US |
| 06:51.31 | vealstock | ahh |
| 06:51.43 | vealstock | how long to charge from empty? |
| 06:51.56 | luke-jr__ | dunno |
| 06:51.58 | luke-jr__ | never counted |
| 06:51.59 | vealstock | ..does the original c760 one have the swiveling prongs? |
| 06:52.06 | luke-jr__ | yes |
| 06:52.08 | vealstock | ahhh |
| 06:52.19 | vealstock | i've used that myself.. hmmm.. ok then, thanks for the input |
| 06:52.31 | luke-jr__ | The charge light is rarely off, but I rarely run out of juice |
| 06:52.43 | vealstock | ah |
| 06:55.11 | luke-jr__ | I should probably make sure these actually work someday ^^ |
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| 09:09.03 | pchan | Hi. I set up IR networking to my laptop and sharp rom 5500 zaurus, and can ping eachother |
| 09:09.13 | pchan | however, I was wondering how I should do to sync files |
| 09:09.16 | pchan | any ideas? |
| 09:09.29 | pchan | Preferably with kontact. (kde pim) |
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| 10:11.54 | AnalogTek | gm |
| 10:15.00 | AnalogTek | vealstock: your C1k from pricejapan will include a 120v AC adapter for use in US. |
| 10:18.37 | AnalogTek | pchan: if you use newer (2.x) version of kdepimpi (KO/pi, KA/pi) on both the 5500 and the laptop, you can use the built-in sync capability of kdepimpi. |
| 10:20.16 | pchan | AnalogTek: How does kdepimi send over its information? Scp/ssh, ftp, samba? |
| 10:21.38 | AnalogTek | pchan: dunno; I use secure wireless connection and so didn't really pay attention to that. |
| 10:22.01 | pchan | Because when I connect over IR, I can only ssh in ... I can't access samba for some reason :( |
| 10:22.01 | AnalogTek | All I know is it works like a champ on my 5600 and I miss it on the C1k. |
| 10:23.00 | AnalogTek | I also sync via wired connection but only on my own network. |
| 10:24.21 | AnalogTek | BTW, anyone know how to get a C1k back to Sharp ROM? The instructions from TriSoft don't seem to work for me. Of course, that doesn't rule out the possibility that I'm being extremely obtuse and overlooking some important step. |
| 10:26.23 | AnalogTek | pchan: you could always use ssh or sftp to move the files yourself (script it, even). That would also allow you to sync with the kontact/KO/etc. that don't include "automatic" sync capability. |
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| 10:32.37 | AnalogTek | pchan: I just realized your question in #oz... I have used Sharp ROM, OZ, and watapon on my 5600. watapon is closest to my ideal: I want to use newer kdepimpi (KO/pi, KA/pi) with built-in sync. AND I need a spreadsheet. watapon is based on Sharp ROM, so it's stable (as stable as any I've used), and includes the kdepimpi, and I can use HancomSheet on it. |
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| 11:11.05 | Tomoe | How are you gentlemen |
| 11:27.17 | inPherno | wooo... gnome compiled on my zaurus in about 30 hours :) |
| 11:28.11 | inPherno | doesnt run half as fast as kde though |
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| 11:53.31 | AnalogTek | anyone else here use watapon on 5600? |
| 12:00.08 | Tomoe | inPherno, which model? |
| 12:00.16 | inPherno | SL-C3000 |
| 12:01.20 | inPherno | i've got openbsd installed on it... which pretty much allows me to compile/install ANY app that runs on any other openbsd architecture |
| 12:01.46 | inPherno | got an amiga emulator running too |
| 12:03.41 | Tomoe | lol |
| 12:03.54 | inPherno | i've still got my A1200 :) |
| 12:04.03 | Tomoe | I still have my first C=64 |
| 12:04.19 | Tomoe | with about half a kilogram of additional solder from all the repairs |
| 12:04.29 | Tomoe | conducted by me, of course =P |
| 12:04.42 | Tomoe | inPherno, how big are the dictionary files on C3000? |
| 12:05.05 | inPherno | Tomoe: dont know... deleted them before i could look |
| 12:05.12 | Tomoe | lol |
| 12:05.16 | Tomoe | do you have a backup? |
| 12:05.19 | inPherno | nope |
| 12:05.27 | Tomoe | damn |
| 12:05.28 | AnalogTek | backup? don't need no stinkin' backup! |
| 12:05.29 | AnalogTek | lol |
| 12:05.30 | Tomoe | such a waste =P |
| 12:05.43 | inPherno | ditched Qtopia on the 2nd day of having it... cause its sloooow and crap :) |
| 12:05.48 | Tomoe | I have a C1000 |
| 12:05.54 | AnalogTek | inPherno: you |
| 12:06.00 | AnalogTek | inPherno: you're slow ;) |
| 12:07.14 | inPherno | currently compiling subversion, then gonna compile matchbox wm :) |
| 12:07.25 | Tomoe | blah |
| 12:07.47 | Tomoe | it seems I'll be going to Akihabara to leech the dictionary off a stand C3000 in one of the shops heh |
| 12:07.49 | inPherno | i've compiled about 200 or so packages over the past few days |
| 12:07.50 | AnalogTek | 2 days to get C1k here from Japan; on 1st day, zapped with oz353; a couple days later, zapped with pdaXrom kathrin rc10 ... now, trying to figure out how to get back to Sharp ROM to check something. |
| 12:08.14 | inPherno | pdaXrom? |
| 12:08.21 | inPherno | for CXk series? |
| 12:08.32 | AnalogTek | inPherno: yeah, see topic in #cacko |
| 12:08.43 | Tomoe | is it usable? |
| 12:09.16 | inPherno | no c3k version :P |
| 12:09.22 | AnalogTek | inPherno: seems to be coming along nicely... if I can get newer kdepimpi (KO/pi, KA/pi) and working spreadsheet (gnumeric?) on it, it'll have all I need for now. :) |
| 12:09.33 | AnalogTek | inPherno: yeah, it's for c1k... |
| 12:09.56 | AnalogTek | is there diff btwn c1k and c3k other than 4GB? |
| 12:10.10 | inPherno | less rom on the c3k |
| 12:10.36 | AnalogTek | hm, yeah, true; I didn't check overhead requirement to install it. |
| 12:10.50 | inPherno | i think i'll stick to openbsd with xfce4 to run gnumeric and such |
| 12:11.09 | AnalogTek | how much room does openbsd take? |
| 12:11.23 | inPherno | depends what base packages u install |
| 12:11.38 | inPherno | but its about 300mb i think |
| 12:11.43 | inPherno | not sure tho |
| 12:11.46 | AnalogTek | well, yes, but there's a reasonable min. |
| 12:12.18 | AnalogTek | hm, guess that won't fit on my 256MB cf/sd cards. may be time to get bigger card(s). |
| 12:12.30 | inPherno | openbsd is only for c3k at the mo any way |
| 12:12.35 | inPherno | u need a hdd really |
| 12:12.46 | Tomoe | lol |
| 12:12.56 | AnalogTek | y not 1G cf/sd? |
| 12:13.06 | inPherno | 1gb too small |
| 12:13.07 | Tomoe | only reason I bought a C1K was because it looked prettier than C3K |
| 12:13.18 | AnalogTek | Tomoe: hope it's not bricked! :( |
| 12:13.25 | Tomoe | no it's not |
| 12:13.46 | inPherno | if u put openbsd on your zaurus, you're basically saying goodbye to it being a pda, and turning it into a full laptop |
| 12:13.46 | Tomoe | it's just that only after I bought it I realized C3K would fit me better |
| 12:14.26 | inPherno | openbsd on the zaurus has the small USB compatability as the desktop version |
| 12:14.40 | inPherno | not small, same |
| 12:15.06 | inPherno | its got moving parts cause u can hear it spin |
| 12:15.38 | Tomoe | yeah, it's a hd |
| 12:15.40 | Tomoe | however |
| 12:15.41 | AnalogTek | that was the biggest reason I opted for C1k over C3k; 2nd biggest reason was $$. |
| 12:15.46 | Tomoe | for the difference in the price |
| 12:16.00 | Tomoe | I bought a Sony 20gb walkman |
| 12:16.02 | inPherno | yeah, but 4gb hdd would cost the same as the difference |
| 12:16.07 | inPherno | more infact |
| 12:16.08 | Tomoe | which I can connect over teh usb |
| 12:16.17 | Tomoe | to C1K |
| 12:16.21 | inPherno | cool |
| 12:16.23 | inPherno | thatll do then |
| 12:16.27 | AnalogTek | Tomoe: nice :) |
| 12:16.47 | Tomoe | AnalogTek, yeah, but I still need to get a miniA-miniB cable heh |
| 12:16.52 | AnalogTek | Tomoe: have you found a nice case for it yet? |
| 12:16.56 | Tomoe | lol |
| 12:16.57 | Tomoe | yeah |
| 12:17.00 | Tomoe | an awesome one |
| 12:17.03 | AnalogTek | make one |
| 12:17.06 | Tomoe | for 100yen |
| 12:17.11 | AnalogTek | got a link for the case? |
| 12:17.13 | Tomoe | which is about |
| 12:17.15 | Tomoe | 1$ |
| 12:17.39 | Tomoe | not really bought it in a ‚Ђႂ¦‚ñ shop |
| 12:17.47 | Tomoe | *100yen shop |
| 12:17.52 | Tomoe | it's just a sleeve actually |
| 12:17.59 | inPherno | LOL.... 100yen shop |
| 12:18.05 | AnalogTek | :) |
| 12:18.15 | Tomoe | SO? |
| 12:18.16 | Tomoe | =P |
| 12:18.24 | AnalogTek | no, np by me! |
| 12:18.25 | inPherno | my town is flooded with pound shops |
| 12:18.37 | AnalogTek | and here, it's $1 shops ;) |
| 12:18.50 | AnalogTek | everyone says, "the dollar store" |
| 12:18.56 | inPherno | heh... that makes our shops the most expensive |
| 12:19.08 | AnalogTek | ahyup |
| 12:19.15 | inPherno | typical |
| 12:19.59 | Tomoe | move to japan =P |
| 12:20.23 | inPherno | good idea |
| 12:21.01 | inPherno | my dad's wife is from malaysia |
| 12:21.04 | AnalogTek | it's a place where true retirement still is affordable. |
| 12:21.29 | AnalogTek | I have friends in/around Kuala Lumpur... |
| 12:22.24 | Tomoe | I like japan so far |
| 12:22.28 | AnalogTek | Vietnam is another possibility... have contacts there too. |
| 12:22.37 | Tomoe | but I've only been here for around two months |
| 12:22.41 | Tomoe | will see |
| 12:22.43 | AnalogTek | I like Japan... a LOT... but it's not inexpensive. |
| 12:22.48 | Tomoe | hell yeah |
| 12:22.49 | Tomoe | well |
| 12:22.55 | Tomoe | that's how it goes |
| 12:23.20 | AnalogTek | I've only been there a couple weeks at a time on a few occasions. |
| 12:23.43 | AnalogTek | anyhow, back to work on the 5600 and C1k... |
| 12:24.27 | Tomoe | inPherno, is there any way you can get dictionary files back? |
| 12:24.41 | AnalogTek | I just discovered there seems to be an update to Watapon ROM for 5600 but the flash errored when trying to install it; so, back to 1.6.1. |
| 12:24.56 | inPherno | Tomoe: they might be on the install cd |
| 12:25.29 | Tomoe | then I just might ask to check the cd in the store heh =) |
| 12:26.22 | AnalogTek | did you check Trisoft's site for info on it? |
| 12:28.02 | Tomoe | no |
| 12:28.06 | Tomoe | forgot about trisoft heh |
| 12:28.09 | Tomoe | thanks for reminding me |
| 12:28.20 | AnalogTek | ;) |
| 12:30.24 | Tomoe | no |
| 12:30.44 | Tomoe | only rom backup as far as I can see |
| 12:30.44 | AnalogTek | :( |
| 12:31.08 | AnalogTek | I'll check the quickie guide Trisoft has... they might mention whether on CD. |
| 12:32.02 | Tomoe | lol |
| 12:32.03 | Tomoe | thanks |
| 12:32.08 | Tomoe | but no need to I can download it too |
| 12:32.09 | Tomoe | =) |
| 12:32.13 | Tomoe | =* |
| 12:32.43 | vealstock | analogtek - thanks for the heads up on the adaptor |
| 12:34.37 | Tomoe | heh |
| 12:34.44 | Tomoe | dic files are about 800MB in size |
| 12:38.25 | AnalogTek | vealstock: :) |
| 12:38.36 | Tomoe | I don't believe they are on teh cd |
| 12:38.48 | AnalogTek | Tomoe: I don't see any mention of it in the manual. |
| 12:38.57 | AnalogTek | Trisoft's, that is. |
| 12:38.58 | Tomoe | me neither |
| 12:39.23 | AnalogTek | Tomoe: you're in .ja: don't you know someone who will read the Sharp manual(s) and/or CD for you? |
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| 12:56.20 | Tomoe | AnalogTek, not really =) |
| 13:23.22 | Tomoe | ok by guys |
| 13:23.26 | Tomoe | AnalogTek, thanks for the help man |
| 13:35.18 | prh | anyone know if 2.6 and GPE is available for shepherd yet? |
| 13:45.00 | XorA | prh: not officially |
| 13:49.21 | prh | :O) |
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| 14:58.12 | AnalogTek | yay! |
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| 15:46.54 | raduga | hello ibot |
| 15:46.58 | raduga | ibot: good morning |
| 15:46.59 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, good morning is a contradiction in terms |
| 15:47.07 | raduga | ibot: good ibot |
| 15:47.23 | raduga | ibot: botsnack |
| 15:47.23 | ibot | raduga: aw, gee |
| 15:47.35 | raduga | ibot: botsnack |
| 15:47.35 | ibot | aw, gee, raduga |
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| 16:04.27 | pgas | nokia makes is own qtopia? |
| 16:04.28 | pgas | http://www.maemo.org/ |
| 16:06.16 | pgas | seems like a lots of space is wasted on the left .... I don't like the bar à la outlook on a small resolution |
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| 16:16.47 | raduga | high resolution isn't a problem so much, with large screens |
| 16:17.11 | raduga | but with a tiny screen, you run into troubles with the limited resolution of the human eye |
| 16:17.33 | raduga | unfortunately, nokia, sharp, etc can't engineer us a new eye |
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| 16:53.41 | ViV | damn traffic jams |
| 16:53.51 | ViV | damn everything |
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| 18:16.15 | nilbud | hi |
| 18:20.37 | nilbud | i have 200USD and want a zaurus; which model and shop would you recomend me? The Sealed SL5500 (174,95$) at ebay is a good choice? |
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| 21:31.08 | raduga | well, you could have bought a half-broken C760 for $175 usd |
| 21:31.26 | raduga | but you'd have to be half-crazy, at least. |
| 21:31.34 | raduga | (no offense, pgas :( |
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