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03:51.06sigmaXhi peeople
03:51.55sigmaXI was wondering what was a nice price to sell a zaurus sl-c860, used for less than a year and in excellent conditions ? (I am thinking of selling mine)
03:52.15zip|6kLill buy it for a $5 ;)
03:52.26sigmaXoh tempting
03:53.21sigmaXI could sell ya the screen protector for 5$ ... although is a bit scracthed
03:53.30sigmaX:)
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04:22.03ljpwhy you selling it?
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10:07.47inPhernoanyone here with openbsd up and running on a zaurus?
10:10.07inPhernoif not, why not? ;)
10:14.43alttbecause i havent grabbed my z yet
10:50.05inPhernothats a good excuse i guess :)
10:51.00alttlol
10:51.46inPhernowhat flavour you getting? c3000?
10:59.27alttmost likely
11:00.14alttim still demateing, as i deal with lots of magnetics, so the 1000 may be better suited for me
11:00.32alttdebateing*
11:21.59alttping?
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13:00.49digitalwulfHello
13:00.59digitalwulfhere how to use mysql with freepascal:
13:01.00digitalwulfhttp://www.freepascal.org/wiki/index.php/MySQL_on_Zaurus
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16:29.03inPhernohey.... kde on the zaurus: http://www.flexibyte.com/zaurus/openbsd/kdeonzaurus.jpg
16:29.38inPhernosorry about my poor photography... seems impossible to get good focuss
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16:49.21SuNinPherno: that's... awesome and disturbing at the same time.
16:49.29inPhernohehe
16:49.33inPhernoits usable too
16:49.35SuNHow's the speed?
16:49.54inPhernospeed varies a lot... some things are quick some things arent
16:50.06inPhernogeneral navigating seems pretty good
16:50.36SuNHow long does it take to start?
16:51.03inPhernoabout 30 seconds for the splash screen to appear... another 50 seconds for the desktop to appear
16:51.48inPhernogot openbsd installed on my zaurus
16:51.57inPhernowhich is how i managed to get it working nicely
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16:52.45SuNDoes Openbsd support the zaurus like Linux does?
16:52.53SuNRegarding power management, etc.
16:53.04slowTyperhey my pals long time since i was herew
16:53.09inPhernoyes.... it fully supports it as of version 3.7
16:53.17inPhernoim using the snapshot build
16:53.21SuNNot bad... worth a try I guess.
16:53.23inPhernoas 3.7 isnt officially released yet
16:53.28SuNDoes it have a buildsystem of some sort?
16:53.35inPhernoyeah
16:53.46inPhernomore than just a build system
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16:53.57inPhernoit uses something called ports... which is like a package manager, but for source
16:54.05inPhernoso the same packages work on ALL architectures
16:54.10inPhernowhich is how i got kde working
16:54.26inPhernobut it has ALL the same features as the desktop openbsd
16:54.42inPhernoso this is pretty much the first full blown desktop OS for the zaurus :)
16:54.55inPhernoneed a c3000 tho... cause it uses the harddrive
16:55.07SuNThat is, if KDE is the only thing you call a full blown desktop :)
16:55.26SuNYeah I can imagine it doesn't fit in 128MB flash
16:55.58inPhernoya but what i meant is... its the same as the desktop version of openbsd
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16:57.12inPhernogonna try compiling gnome tonight
16:57.19inPhernoalready got blackbox and xfce running
16:57.19SuNHeh
16:57.22inPhernobut they're boring :)
16:57.30SuNNice... but... not very useful, I would say.
16:57.48SuN:)
16:57.48inPhernoaye... i'll stick to xfce
16:58.03inPhernoxfce is speedy
16:58.15SuNYeah, I ran that for a while.
16:58.20SuNAnd fluxbox.. which is nice too.
16:58.24inPhernoand fvwm runs at a godly speed
16:58.30SuNBut I want to try something like Icewm.
16:58.36inPhernoyeah
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17:08.47SuNhttp://www.flexibyte.com/zaurus/scrn002.jpg   <- is that icewm? Or fvwm?
17:09.37zip|6kLlooks like xp
17:10.46SuNNo shit, sherlock ;)
17:14.31inPhernofvwm :P
17:14.40inPhernoicewm sorry
17:15.46SuNRunning on BSD or Linux?
17:16.46inPhernobsd
17:17.25ViVi've got the same just using pocketworkstation :P
17:18.12SuNI've got _pretty much_ the same using Pdaxrom :)
17:18.12SuNBut I haven't come across any icewm packages for it, and I've been too lazy to build my own.
17:18.14ViVi'm running pocketworkstation _with_pdaxrom :)
17:18.24SuNI'd almost rather use OE to build it anyway.
17:18.45inPhernopocketworkstation = slow.... bsd x11 = very fast in comparison
17:18.51ViVand i hadn't to build anything - i've just ap-got all my needs :P
17:19.04ViVinPherno, Xvnc is slow, not arm-debian :)
17:19.15inPhernono... i used X/Qt
17:19.19SuNpdaxrom x11 isn't slow :)
17:19.23inPhernok :)
17:19.45SuNBut Matchbox is... well...
17:19.51SuNNot ideal.
17:21.06ViVthere are fvwm, icewm and fluxbox builds packaged for pdaxrom
17:21.27ViVand don't forget about pocketworkstation :)
17:21.43SuNViV: where can I find the icewm builds?
17:21.58ViVin the feed
17:22.07ViVmirror1.pdaxrom.org/current
17:22.42SuNicewm isn't there.
17:22.49SuNI already tried the other 2 :)
17:23.37ViVthere IS a build definitely
17:23.42ViVi know a guy who uses it
17:23.55ViVlook to oesf.org forums
17:25.28SuNhttp://pdaxrom.spy.org/src/icewm-pdaXrom-0.0.2.tar.bz2 is dead :/
17:25.57SuNOh it's not.
17:25.59SuNBut it's source.
17:26.22ViVno, there was an ipk
17:26.24ViVi'm sure
17:26.26ViV:)
17:26.55SuNSeems to be gone now :S
17:27.11ViVsearch for it on oesf
17:27.22SuNI did, that's what it came up with.
17:28.08ViVhmm
17:30.44ViVhttp://www.ajblack.com:81/pub/zaurus/icewm_1.2.19_armv5tel.ipk
17:30.50ViVhere you go
17:31.14ViVyou had to read search results a little more time
17:31.20ViV;)
17:31.31SuNDoh, heh
17:31.34SuNThanks :)
17:32.08SuNIcewm with a decent theme is pretty much my ideal wm for the zaurus.
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18:26.29Oberinpherno which model of zaurus
18:26.52inPhernoc3000
18:27.00Oberahh
18:27.07Obertoo bad obsd wont work on sl5000-d pos :d
18:27.19Oberhow much the c3000 run for?
18:28.59SuN$658 at Pricejapan currently
18:29.02inPhernoi sell em for about $740
18:29.09inPherno:)
18:29.27Oberahhh
18:29.32SuNDo you offer warranty service, though?
18:29.34Oberso you can order jaapenese stuff off line?
18:30.04inPhernowe can do warrantys yeah
18:30.06SuNPricejapan will send virtually anything to virtually anywhere :)
18:30.22inPhernogo for pricejapan then :)
18:30.31Oberhehe
18:30.38SuNSee, Pricejapan is cheap, but they don't offer any warranty service whatsoever.
18:30.42SuNBut I took the risk anyway.
18:30.53SuNNo conversion service either.
18:30.54Obermight check it out
18:31.03Oberwhats the battery life like in reality?
18:31.54SuNI can't tell you, I have a 860.
18:32.02Oberahh
18:32.10Oberobsd on there would be nice :d
18:32.11inPhernoi havnt actually done any 'normal' usage yet... but its lasted 4 hours where most of the time cpu was at 90% compiling stuff etc
18:32.20inPhernoand connected to the net via wifi
18:32.23inPhernounder debian :)
18:32.29inPhernoso battery is pretty good
18:32.37inPhernotakes a while to do a complete charge tho, it seems
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20:11.09digitalwulfhello
20:12.03digitalwulfI would liked to crosscompile some software to zaurus, like for example, firebird, and new versions of mysql and postgresql.
20:12.20digitalwulfanyone here have some experience using GCC?
20:12.26subdueyou should post the mysql howto on zaurususergroup
20:13.22subdue#openzaurus maybe #oe
20:13.24digitalwulfI have installed a toolchain ready to crosscompile;)
20:14.21digitalwulfsubdue: freepascal is available for zaurus, and can interact with MYSQL;)
20:14.49subdueI saw your mysql thing you posted, but didnt see the 'pascal' part of it
20:14.58digitalwulfsubdue: I asked freepascal team some months ago to work on ARM version, and now 1.9.8 version is here.
20:16.31digitalwulfsubdue: here is the cramfs file of openzaurus I use, because I don't have to much space in my SD card: http://www.konjyou.jp/data/fpc-1.9.8-temp050409.bin
20:16.58subdueok I'm getting confused
20:17.03digitalwulfsubdue: but it's possible to install freepascal on zaurus without using a cramfs file.
20:17.22subdueyou have a freepascal version for the Z .... do they have a link?
20:18.01subdueif so, they should post it on http://elsix.org/
20:18.27subdueI'm not sure how it's related to this http://users.pandora.be/Jan.Van.hijfte/qtforfpc/qtedemo.html
20:18.28digitalwulfI don't find it on the web, and they say we need to recompile your own the freepascal for ARM
20:19.04digitalwulfotherwise you can use the cramfs file I found in the web.
20:19.22digitalwulfOh, you can do QT applications with freepascal.
20:19.27digitalwulf:)
20:19.38subdueI did see your "howto" about mysql that you put on the freepascal site
20:20.14subdueI was saying you should post that information to: http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Zaurus_How-To_Docs
20:20.48digitalwulfI don't have too much time to spread information about it, I need help to do it;)
20:21.15SuNOh yeah, saying stuff like that will get you community support :/
20:21.56digitalwulfnow, I need time to crosscompile firebirdSQL!
20:22.04digitalwulfit's my objective now.
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20:23.23digitalwulfthen you could do programming in freepascal coding Qtopia applications, and also, you could interact with FIREBIRD SQL, MYSQL or POSTGRESQL
20:23.35digitalwulfand use STORED PROCEDURES;)
20:24.00digitalwulffinally, easy to do programming on zaurus!
20:24.39digitalwulfotherwise you can use GCC and programming QT... also.
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20:32.19digitalwulfsubdue: are you installing FPC on zaurus?
20:32.24digitalwulf;)
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20:52.20subdueI'm not sure how to do that
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21:18.53subduehttp://www.caulfei.demon.co.uk/zaurus/
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21:48.14SuNAnyone got some smooth icewm theme?
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21:57.47inPhernoSuN: http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/925/
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22:01.28SuNYeah, I'm browsing... there are a LOT though so I was hoping for suggestions :)
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22:04.43inPhernoi got a nice winxp theme from there :)
22:04.56SuNI didn't particularly like that one :)
22:05.00inPhernowhich i only got to fool people cause its ugly :)
22:05.40SuNPhew, for a minute I thought you actually liked that, heh.
22:06.19inPhernobill gates is sexeh
22:08.35zip|6kLmicrogui would be fun on the z
22:11.35SuNNever used that.
22:11.39SuNIcewm has potential though.
22:11.50SuNIf I find a nice taskbar theme, this one's butt-ugly.
22:25.32SuNHeh, I can't believe Soooo many people make butt-ugly themes.
22:25.55SuNI should really make something myself, the taskbar has like 3 xpm's.
22:53.09SuNOoh, pretty.
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23:43.46boardboyanyone able to use intellisync with sharp 3.13 rom?

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