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| 02:13.00 | Plouj | does the original, factory OS on zaurus have a cli/xterm/console? |
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| 03:26.47 | altt | console? i think so |
| 03:50.34 | Luke-Jr | nope |
| 03:50.46 | Luke-Jr | Plouj: it comes as an ipk on a CD |
| 03:52.34 | Plouj | ok, thanks |
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| 04:59.43 | altt | so thats a yes |
| 04:59.45 | altt | :) |
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| 05:30.05 | altt | howdy |
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| 05:38.08 | altt | i saw a thread on the forum about freebsd |
| 05:38.30 | Ober | ahh |
| 05:44.12 | chrget | Sometimes I feel those BSD freaks are even worse that the Linux evangelists |
| 05:44.13 | altt | lol |
| 05:44.27 | chrget | than, even |
| 05:44.53 | subdue | hey! |
| 05:47.19 | chrget | In my twenty years of UNIX I never gave a ^~*&@#! about what system as long as it was reasonably UNIXy enough |
| 05:48.44 | altt | ;) |
| 05:48.50 | chrget | Heh, even my Z is more UNIXy than the System III I started out on in '85 |
| 05:49.17 | chrget | Probably has more performance, too :) |
| 05:49.32 | altt | most likely does |
| 05:50.05 | altt | im wondering if the next z will have a 600mhz cpu... |
| 05:50.53 | chrget | It'll be too expensive anyway |
| 05:51.29 | chrget | Personally I feel the prices for recent Zs are way too high |
| 05:51.30 | altt | by next year the chips will be less expensive im sure |
| 05:52.11 | chrget | I mean, I'd buy a 6000, but the prices are ridiculous |
| 05:52.45 | chrget | so maybe i'll pick one up on ebay once the level has normalized |
| 05:54.05 | subdue | you missed the boat |
| 05:54.10 | subdue | when amazon had it for < 400 |
| 05:55.16 | chrget | But that goes for all PDAs to a certain extent ... and if their prices don't go down, they will indeed be gobbled up by smartphones for breakfast |
| 05:55.32 | subdue | maybe sharp will try again, then dump everything again |
| 05:58.12 | altt | i dont understand why shorp dosent put the 6000 screen in the cxxx |
| 05:58.43 | subdue | is the cxxx screens not as good? |
| 05:59.15 | altt | its smaller |
| 05:59.46 | subdue | ah |
| 05:59.52 | subdue | yes, I do like the 4" screen |
| 05:59.58 | subdue | but dont like the short battery life |
| 06:00.04 | subdue | can't find sleds |
| 06:00.14 | subdue | should have bought one back then |
| 06:00.21 | subdue | but didnt want to pay $200 |
| 06:00.43 | altt | the cxxx could fit it, but they put a smaller screen in and surounded it with lots of plastic |
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| 06:01.12 | chrget | Grrrrr ... I hate embeddedkonsole |
| 06:01.51 | altt | maybe the battery life is why they didnt put it in... |
| 06:03.40 | chrget | battery life ... the final frontier |
| 06:04.34 | altt | it truely is |
| 06:05.05 | chrget | that reminds me, i need to pick up one of those 1400 mAh EN-EL5 clones |
| 06:05.15 | altt | i dont like the ways they are trying to get around it tho. Im into sustanability |
| 06:05.50 | chrget | see if they really have 1400 mAh :) |
| 06:06.15 | chrget | that'll make a fine battery for my collie if it does |
| 06:06.28 | altt | does the z have lithium ion or lithium polymer? |
| 06:06.47 | chrget | afaik all have l-i |
| 06:07.23 | altt | lp has way better charge for the size |
| 06:07.57 | altt | its more expensive tho... |
| 06:08.35 | chrget | imho they really need to bring down consumption |
| 06:08.59 | chrget | most gadget suck way too much for nothing |
| 06:09.07 | chrget | gadgets, even |
| 06:09.08 | subdue | $80 for the tiny battery |
| 06:09.49 | chrget | that's why i'm using adapted en-el5s, subdue |
| 06:10.46 | chrget | If I look at collie's lighting, i really think it's a joke |
| 06:11.00 | subdue | en-el5s? |
| 06:11.03 | subdue | have a link? |
| 06:11.30 | chrget | batteries for the nikon coolpix family |
| 06:11.38 | subdue | oh? |
| 06:11.42 | subdue | have a pic? |
| 06:11.50 | subdue | I'd be curious on the setup |
| 06:12.32 | subdue | that might be cheaper than my buying another battery |
| 06:12.42 | subdue | I'm already starting to think I need the sled |
| 06:14.40 | chrget | http://zaurus.help4free.de/html/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=5960&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&start=90 |
| 06:14.51 | chrget | towards the end |
| 06:17.28 | subdue | I see. you made it sort of fit? |
| 06:18.19 | chrget | yeah, modified the terminals of the battery |
| 06:18.31 | subdue | looks ugly, feels ugly, but gives a great battery life kind of thing? |
| 06:18.49 | chrget | Heh, yeah. |
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| 06:20.17 | chrget | where 'great' is marginally beyond a new EA-BL06 |
| 06:20.30 | chrget | obviously at 1100 mAh |
| 06:21.06 | subdue | battery life tears at me |
| 06:21.12 | subdue | otherwise I like my z |
| 06:21.29 | chrget | But there are others that claim 1400 mAh, and I will eventually have to check that out |
| 06:22.08 | chrget | The collie has fantastic battery life if you turn off that nasty lighting |
| 06:22.36 | subdue | I'd like to have smaller increments on mine |
| 06:22.45 | subdue | I've got it as dim as possible and it's still too bright |
| 06:22.54 | subdue | of course, I'd like to have a lighted keypad |
| 06:23.36 | chrget | and a steam whistle ... and a brass bell *ducks* |
| 06:23.43 | subdue | well, it's fine for the day |
| 06:23.50 | subdue | but during nights ... that's another story |
| 06:24.12 | subdue | I even considered painting the keys with flourescent paint |
| 06:25.04 | chrget | well lighting the keys certainly won't help battery life |
| 06:25.52 | subdue | well, a tiny led light would do, but the guy that made one eventually dropped it |
| 06:26.47 | chrget | I wonder if replacing that stupid fluorescent light with something else would bring down battery draw |
| 06:27.04 | subdue | led would be best |
| 06:27.31 | chrget | that's what i'm wondering |
| 06:27.50 | chrget | leds are not exactly known for low currents either |
| 06:28.00 | subdue | nothing better than leds |
| 06:28.05 | subdue | everything else chews batteries |
| 06:28.30 | chrget | afaik that's not necessarily the case. |
| 06:30.02 | chrget | a led typically draws 20-30 mA, and you'll need quite a few to light collie's display evenly and bright enough |
| 06:30.37 | chrget | so i'm not sure it would be much of a gain |
| 06:32.53 | chrget | But what I wonder about most is if there are any _real_ low-power WLAN cards out there. |
| 06:33.13 | altt | socket |
| 06:33.37 | subdue | socket is your best bet |
| 06:33.39 | chrget | specs |
| 06:36.33 | chrget | ouch |
| 06:37.23 | chrget | TX 265 mA and RX 170 |
| 06:37.54 | chrget | that's not really less than others |
| 06:38.18 | chrget | but the idle consumption is great at < 20 |
| 06:38.51 | wpiku | hrmm |
| 06:38.54 | wpiku | we talking about wlan or lan? |
| 06:39.02 | chrget | wlan |
| 06:39.05 | wpiku | I'm pretty pissed about my DCF-660W |
| 06:39.08 | wpiku | it's pathetic |
| 06:39.25 | wpiku | and it costs a lot more than the Linksys |
| 06:39.32 | wpiku | I have a socket CF LAN and it's SUPER low power |
| 06:40.28 | chrget | those wlan card manufacturers should probably be drawn and quartered |
| 06:41.11 | chrget | all of them suck power at a ridiculous level |
| 06:41.44 | chrget | heck, even my gprs modem card uses less power |
| 06:43.09 | subdue | can't help. less power = less signal |
| 06:44.23 | chrget | BS. WLAN power output is way less than GSM/GPRS |
| 06:45.08 | chrget | Someone is seriously wasting power, obviously even in the socket |
| 06:46.44 | subdue | shrug |
| 06:46.54 | subdue | they're all doing the same thing |
| 06:47.36 | chrget | come on, .5 W at RX? almost .9 at TX? what, for 100 mW hf output? |
| 06:48.05 | subdue | shrug |
| 06:48.18 | subdue | at any rate, the Z's wlan is weak |
| 06:48.26 | subdue | so a cf card wouldn't really hurt I'd think |
| 06:53.30 | chrget | i just think that it's a shame nobody really seems to give a shit about power consumption. |
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| 06:54.27 | digitalwulf | hello |
| 06:54.35 | chrget | 'lo |
| 06:55.13 | digitalwulf | I installed qtopia 2.1.1, it's really cool. |
| 06:55.25 | subdue | bleh |
| 06:55.36 | subdue | we dont get that yet |
| 06:55.57 | digitalwulf | but when I add/remove programs, they won't appear on applications:( |
| 06:56.09 | digitalwulf | and I don't know how to desactivate documents tab:( |
| 06:56.38 | subdue | I'd probably wait till it's out of beta |
| 06:56.55 | digitalwulf | and trolltech created a new website dedicated to the qtopia... http://www.qtopia.net ;) hehe |
| 06:56.56 | wpiku | man I am liking cacko |
| 06:57.02 | wpiku | I'm torn between cacko and opie really |
| 06:57.23 | wpiku | but I'm definitely stuck to cacko for now.. I reinstalled all my sharp rom stuff and restored pim stuff from backup |
| 06:57.27 | digitalwulf | cacko is based in old versions of qtopia? |
| 06:57.37 | wpiku | cacko on sl-c3k at least is based on sharprom |
| 06:57.40 | digitalwulf | I like very much the graphics that qtopia uses. |
| 06:57.41 | wpiku | it's just better... |
| 06:58.03 | subdue | it's just a little more mature |
| 06:58.06 | wpiku | I'm not sure yet of all the semantics |
| 06:58.09 | wpiku | qpe versus qte |
| 06:58.13 | wpiku | qpe versus qtopia etc |
| 06:58.21 | digitalwulf | I installed that qtopia 2.1.1 in my SL-5500 and I like very much the graphics. |
| 06:58.25 | wpiku | opie seems to be a newer version of qtopia.. hell if I know ;) |
| 06:58.28 | wpiku | too confusing ;) |
| 06:58.49 | subdue | www.openzaurus.org if you're confused |
| 06:58.58 | wpiku | subdue: yeah. I read it all but I forget it again |
| 06:59.11 | wpiku | I'm liking cacko too though too because all the packages in their feed "just work" |
| 06:59.16 | wpiku | whereas for sharp rom you're not too sure |
| 06:59.28 | wpiku | but I notice cacko crashes a lot if you give it something it doesn't like |
| 06:59.38 | wpiku | for instance the sharp rom ipk of ZauRSS it hates |
| 06:59.47 | wpiku | but I found this nifty dmblogger app which is much better |
| 06:59.57 | digitalwulf | I had sharp rom 3.13 on my Z... till I found qtopia 2.1.1 yesterday |
| 07:00.20 | wpiku | anyway.. watched 3 episodes of csi and an episode of alias on the c3k today.. |
| 07:00.26 | wpiku | I can truly say that this pda meets ALL of my need |
| 07:00.32 | wpiku | except women ;) |
| 07:01.04 | wpiku | I'm surprised.. you can watch several full length movies on the battery, but don't try to browse on wifi... it's just pathetic |
| 07:01.19 | wpiku | it's weird because my jornada with this prism2 pcmcia card could go for 5 hours |
| 07:01.26 | wpiku | I have to compare the batteries though.. the one in the jornada is huge |
| 07:01.45 | wpiku | I think I'm just dealing with different power scales |
| 07:02.03 | chrget | Most likely, yeah |
| 07:02.26 | wpiku | anyway.. it's be nice to have some battery pack that could plug into the power connector |
| 07:02.34 | wpiku | something similar in size to the zaurus itself |
| 07:02.38 | wpiku | I'm sure in japan somethign is sold like that |
| 07:02.45 | wpiku | specifically for the zauruses |
| 07:02.59 | subdue | These rom images for Sharp zaurus are based on a fairly stable version of Openzaurus, and is compatible with Sharp rom applications. |
| 07:03.03 | wpiku | course I could just build one with nimh batteries too |
| 07:03.23 | subdue | irda not working - openzaurus/kernel issue |
| 07:03.23 | subdue | mediaplayer crashes randomly |
| 07:03.23 | subdue | Does not contain all games - flash size |
| 07:03.25 | wpiku | subdue: I mainly want to make sure mplayer, snes9x and some other apps are going to work |
| 07:03.34 | subdue | oops, erased as you were typing |
| 07:03.38 | subdue | what was that again? |
| 07:03.39 | wpiku | I actually beat marioworld on the zaurus ;) |
| 07:04.06 | subdue | heh |
| 07:04.13 | wpiku | and I never beat it before |
| 07:04.18 | wpiku | goes to show you games are tougher these days |
| 07:04.23 | wpiku | it was like a cakewalk to beat that snes game |
| 07:04.53 | subdue | I'd love to have a gamepad that I could attach to my Z |
| 07:05.35 | wpiku | since the c3k has usb host.. I'm tempted to get one of those snes->usb adapters |
| 07:05.42 | wpiku | I'm sure libSDL can be made to work with it too |
| 07:05.59 | wpiku | but the logistics of how I would hold the Z and the controller would be strange.. |
| 07:06.00 | subdue | if you get a game pad to work, I'd be happy |
| 07:06.05 | wpiku | I'd always have to have a stationary surface |
| 07:06.22 | wpiku | with the usb host and the fact that it runs linux.. I'm 100% sure something could be made to work with SDL games |
| 07:06.24 | subdue | nah, wouldnt be an issue, since it'd have wires |
| 07:06.30 | subdue | unless you go bluetooth |
| 07:06.40 | wpiku | well I was looking at GPRS solutions |
| 07:06.47 | wpiku | at first I was going to get the audiovox RTM8000 |
| 07:06.58 | wpiku | but then I thought harder and I'm thinking now the Dlink bluetooth usb thinger |
| 07:07.02 | wpiku | and a cell phone with bluetooth in it |
| 07:07.05 | wpiku | to save battery life |
| 07:07.23 | subdue | I'm surprised the qtopia is based on oz |
| 07:07.27 | wpiku | I wasn't too concerned with battery life until I met up with 802.11 on the Z |
| 07:07.41 | wpiku | work is finally over.. bye everyone |
| 07:07.43 | wpiku | nice chatting |
| 07:07.44 | subdue | it's just the wireless chews |
| 07:07.47 | subdue | bye |
| 07:08.22 | chrget | the audiovox is very low power |
| 07:09.56 | chrget | my collie lasts about 6 hours without light but the audiovox registered to the net and occasionally sending a few frames (i.e. irc) |
| 07:12.44 | chrget | doing the same with wlan i get about 3 hours. go fig |
| 07:20.36 | stinger | frozen bubble need libGL ..:( |
| 07:20.40 | subdue | frozen bubble or bubble bubble? |
| 07:20.50 | stinger | frozen-bubble |
| 07:22.14 | stinger | this cackoROM is wonderfull |
| 07:22.28 | subdue | I dont know that game then |
| 07:22.51 | subdue | the one I'm thinking of you have a creature and it spits bubbles to capture things |
| 07:23.08 | stinger | subdue : it's a tetris like...very addictive |
| 07:23.18 | subdue | ok |
| 07:23.22 | subdue | I'll keep my eyes open |
| 07:23.27 | subdue | froot is addictive |
| 07:23.29 | stinger | i know bubble bubble |
| 07:24.11 | stinger | http://www.frozen-bubble.org/ |
| 07:25.27 | subdue | irony: it's just like froot |
| 07:26.44 | subdue | http://www.cs.unc.edu/~scheuerm/froot/ |
| 07:26.49 | stinger | Yes!!! gimp 2.2 is working :)))) |
| 07:28.39 | stinger | hmmm gimp is a bit laggy |
| 07:30.11 | stinger | frozen bubble is more beautifull than froot, no? |
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| 07:31.15 | subdue | probably |
| 07:31.20 | subdue | but I see no ipk there |
| 07:34.20 | stinger | that why i m trying to use it with pocketworkstation on Xqt |
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| 14:52.03 | Eyecon | hi all |
| 14:52.13 | Eyecon | anyone know a decent IRC client for the Z? |
| 14:52.22 | Eyecon | I have a C860 |
| 14:53.19 | subdue | I like irssi |
| 14:53.31 | subdue | command line based, but gives the most lines and functions |
| 14:53.41 | subdue | also chews up a bunch of main memory |
| 14:53.45 | subdue | but it's worth it to me |
| 14:54.17 | Eyecon | I hadn't thought of running irssi on the Z... I will put it on there, though I wouldn't mind a reasonable GUI one too |
| 14:54.59 | subdue | all the gui ones I looked at have too big fonts and bad use of space |
| 14:55.21 | subdue | and non configurable enough |
| 14:55.29 | Eyecon | yeah |
| 14:55.29 | subdue | s/non/not |
| 14:55.35 | Eyecon | that's what I've been noticing too |
| 14:55.38 | subdue | bugged the heck out of me |
| 14:55.46 | subdue | tried just about all I could find |
| 14:55.56 | subdue | kept going back to irssi |
| 14:56.43 | Eyecon | I wonder if there is a decent libirc or something for writing IRC clients... |
| 15:01.58 | ViV | there is glibc 8) |
| 15:04.11 | offroadgeek | Eyecon: qpe-gaim is pretty nice on the z |
| 15:04.29 | subdue | it's pretty but bad use of space |
| 15:04.31 | subdue | fonts too big |
| 15:04.41 | subdue | can't do many functions |
| 15:04.44 | subdue | can't do scripting |
| 15:04.54 | subdue | can't do auto this and that |
| 15:05.09 | offroadgeek | I said "pretty nice" not perfect ;) |
| 15:05.23 | offroadgeek | also, Eyecon was asking for a gui irc client |
| 15:06.40 | subdue | ended up being happy with irssi (except for the main ram it eats up and that I have to drop to console to invoke it) |
| 15:06.59 | subdue | would be nice if it was just one big package I could plop on my sd card |
| 15:08.18 | subdue | irssi-text_0.8.4-3_arm.ipk, libperl_5.6.1_arm.ipk, libglib_1.2.0_arm.ipk, libncurses_5.0_arm.ipk, perl_5.6.1-7_arm.ipk <= all goes in main memory |
| 15:08.25 | ViV | then try xchat under pdaxrom or pocketworkstation |
| 15:09.11 | Eyecon | offroadgeek: thanks, I'll give it a try |
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| 17:08.40 | chrget | *** CTCP VERSION reply from chrget: ircII |
| 17:08.40 | chrget | +20040106 Linux 2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix |
| 17:08.42 | chrget | +:ircii 20020912: AT&T you will (ojnk!) |
| 17:14.02 | chrget | works nicely for me |
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| 17:40.39 | silent_runner | what would you guys say was a fair price for a c860 in imaculate condition |
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| 18:14.34 | pgas | chrget: :) |
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| 18:16.47 | chrget | It's just too damned cold here |
| 18:17.12 | digitalwulf | finally, I have done my first program in freepascal in my SL-5500:=) |
| 18:20.24 | digitalwulf | what I really wanted is to interact with mysql, but for that I need to find in internet, or recompile mysql with libmysqlclient.so |
| 18:33.00 | chrget | Well one thing's for sure -- that Aliki used to be _quite_ a babe |
| 18:38.59 | digitalwulf | aliki? |
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| 18:48.52 | chrget | Aliki Vougiouklaki ... a greek actress |
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| 18:56.48 | Eyecon | not having much look with qpe-gaim |
| 18:56.57 | Eyecon | anyone know where I can download irssi? |
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| 18:58.31 | chrget | Re |
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| 19:29.14 | zip|6kL | hmm intellisync doesnt like outlook xp |
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| 19:43.13 | zip|6kL | no but its what my phone sync software and z sync both talk so its what is being used |
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| 21:17.32 | digitalwulf | time to go sleep |
| 21:17.36 | digitalwulf | goodnight |
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| 22:48.58 | emcat | hi, is there a way to connect to a non-WEP wireless network directly from the terminal using the Zaurus (sharp os)? |
| 22:49.25 | emcat | iwconfig is not working for some reason |
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| 23:04.04 | inPherno | urm....... |
| 23:04.09 | inPherno | im running KDE on my zaurus |
| 23:05.19 | ljp | weird |
| 23:05.21 | kendrick | heh |
| 23:05.28 | inPherno | :) |
| 23:05.34 | inPherno | openbsd is amazing |
| 23:05.43 | ljp | post some screenshots |
| 23:05.49 | inPherno | it runs way faster than that chroot debian shit |
| 23:05.51 | inPherno | yeah i will do |
| 23:06.03 | inPherno | know of any good lightweight screenshot apps? |
| 23:06.42 | ljp | ksnapshot |
| 23:06.44 | ljp | :) |
| 23:06.51 | ljp | since your running kde |
| 23:06.54 | inPherno | thatll do the trick ;) |
| 23:07.33 | inPherno | couldnt get xfce working for some reason though... spent all day compiling it and it just hangs after its loaded |
| 23:08.32 | ljp | thats because kde is superior |
| 23:09.22 | inPherno | altho kde is running, it took about 3-4mins to start |
| 23:09.41 | inPherno | and its running a bit slow :) |
| 23:10.45 | inPherno | need for find some way of putting more ram in the zaurus... heh... and a fan so i can overclock |
| 23:11.13 | inPherno | it's getting late, so i'm of to bed..... right after starting gnome compiling |
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