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| 01:04.23 | Ratatu | hi all |
| 01:04.37 | Ratatu | don't know if this is against the rules.. if it is, i apologize |
| 01:04.48 | Ratatu | but where can i get an opera pkg? |
| 01:05.01 | Ratatu | konqueror just doesn't do it for me |
| 01:05.28 | Ratatu | i reaaaaally wanna avoid having to go back to the sharp rom just to create an image |
| 01:05.33 | Ratatu | then reinstall oz |
| 01:05.44 | Ratatu | and everything and opera on top of that |
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| 01:32.13 | Cwiiis | Ratatu: You can find it in the kompany apps zip on the ZUG (www.zaurususergroup.com) - However, maybe you want to try out GPE and Minimo? (A far superior browser, imo) |
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| 08:34.21 | Ratatu | Thanks Cwiiis |
| 08:34.30 | Ratatu | what's up with minimo? |
| 08:34.37 | Ratatu | never heard of it.. |
| 08:35.05 | Ratatu | oh |
| 08:35.07 | Ratatu | mini mozilla |
| 08:35.11 | Ratatu | sounds good |
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| 12:30.50 | Ratatu | gpe vs opie? |
| 12:30.56 | Ratatu | thoughts, comments? |
| 12:31.03 | Ratatu | having a hard time deciding.. :) |
| 12:35.05 | Cwiiis | Ratatu: Gpe has minimo, looks nicer and uses x11/gtk2, meaning the potential for porting desktop apps is greater - But opie is far more mature, offers a much greater selection of applications and doesn't have synchronisation problems |
| 12:35.17 | Cwiiis | Ratatu: Depends what you use your PDA for really |
| 12:36.12 | Cwiiis | Ratatu: Give gpe a try if you have some spare time - if you don't like it, it could at least do with some testing :) (I've put a pre-release image on the OESF forums) |
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| 13:37.03 | Ratatu | Cwiis: well my main activities with my zaurus are, in no particular order: wardriving (wellenreiter 2), reading books (opie-reader), fiddling with various strange concepts such as fake ap setup, arp poisoning from the wifi side, setting up various servers (httpd mainly), casual browsing |
| 13:37.05 | Ratatu | etc |
| 13:37.18 | Ratatu | i'm not using it as a pim or anything |
| 13:37.28 | Ratatu | mainly as a networking swiss knife |
| 13:38.03 | Cwiiis | Ratatu: In which case, gpe may actually be better for you :) There's a gpe-image dedicated to network security testing, I can build one for you if you like (I don't know how well it works, never tried it myself) |
| 13:38.20 | Ratatu | really?!? |
| 13:38.23 | Ratatu | :) |
| 13:38.24 | Cwiiis | I'm assuming you have a collie that is, it sounds like you do... |
| 13:38.36 | Ratatu | hmhmhm |
| 13:38.44 | Cwiiis | (collie=5000/5500) |
| 13:38.46 | Ratatu | 5600 |
| 13:38.50 | Ratatu | :| |
| 13:38.51 | Cwiiis | hmm.. |
| 13:39.44 | Ratatu | poodle, isn't it? |
| 13:39.45 | Ratatu | :) |
| 13:39.46 | Cwiiis | I'm afraid you'll have to get friendly with a poodle owner :p hehe - I don't think we build the sectest image with OZ |
| 13:40.05 | Ratatu | ah well.. ;) |
| 13:40.09 | Cwiiis | You're free to install the gpe-image and get rid of all the PIM stuff and install other apps though :) |
| 13:40.33 | Cwiiis | gpe has a nice wireless network detector app too :) |
| 13:40.42 | Ratatu | any poodle owners looking for a friend? |
| 13:40.44 | Ratatu | :) |
| 13:41.30 | Ratatu | i'll clean your room |
| 13:43.12 | Cwiiis | Ratatu: All the applications that the sectest image has should be in the OZ 3.5.3 feed on release - it's not too much of a task to remove the PIM stuff from gpe and install other apps instead :) gpe comes with a nice plucker document viewer by default too |
| 13:44.40 | Ratatu | yeah, you're right.. |
| 13:45.22 | Ratatu | any date for the 3.5.3 release? |
| 13:53.01 | Cwiiis | asap |
| 13:53.13 | Cwiiis | This week I should think |
| 13:53.18 | Cwiiis | Images are being built now |
| 13:53.20 | Ratatu | wow |
| 13:53.28 | Ratatu | great timing.. :) |
| 13:53.35 | Ratatu | ok.. i'm game |
| 13:53.41 | Ratatu | i'll switch to gpe |
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| 15:06.18 | Cwiiis | Ratatu: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.10614.png - GPE looks nice :) |
| 15:08.49 | Ratatu | yeah it does... ;) |
| 15:08.56 | Ratatu | you know, something tells me you're biased |
| 15:08.59 | Ratatu | :p |
| 15:13.02 | Cwiiis | :) |
| 15:42.59 | Ratatu | the most annoying problem i've had with 3.5.2 so far is the resume hang one |
| 15:43.11 | Ratatu | sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't |
| 15:43.15 | Ratatu | ugh |
| 15:43.21 | mickeyl | ipkg remove opie-wirelessapplet ? |
| 15:43.31 | Ratatu | i don't think i have it.. |
| 15:43.34 | Ratatu | let me check though |
| 15:43.45 | Ratatu | nope |
| 15:43.47 | Ratatu | don't have it |
| 15:43.48 | mickeyl | echo 1 >/proc/power_key_off |
| 15:43.49 | mickeyl | ? |
| 15:44.00 | mickeyl | should be done automatically during init |
| 15:44.03 | mickeyl | but who knows |
| 15:44.06 | Ratatu | hm |
| 15:44.08 | Ratatu | let me see |
| 15:46.19 | Ratatu | no such target in /proc |
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| 15:47.24 | Ratatu | oh and btw, i couldn't get samba working if my life depended on it |
| 15:47.51 | mickeyl | install 3.5.3 when it's out and lets try again |
| 15:48.02 | Ratatu | sure.. that's why i'm so excited :) |
| 15:48.18 | Ratatu | speaking of 3.5.3 |
| 15:48.27 | Ratatu | i think i reported this earlier (i.e. last year) |
| 15:48.40 | Ratatu | the mirrors were not quite.. mirrors |
| 15:48.50 | Ratatu | there were differences in packages, feeds, etc |
| 15:49.37 | mickeyl | hmm unfortunate, but nothing we can do about it. the mirror providers are beyond our control. they pull |
| 15:49.43 | mickeyl | (as opposed to us pushing) |
| 15:50.14 | Ratatu | i see.. i'll just use the original then |
| 15:50.23 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 15:50.29 | mickeyl | i hope sf.net doesn't kick us |
| 15:50.33 | mickeyl | when i upload the next feed |
| 15:50.39 | mickeyl | we're already so much beyond our quota |
| 15:50.42 | mickeyl | it's funny |
| 15:50.42 | mickeyl | heh |
| 15:50.42 | Ratatu | :D |
| 15:50.59 | Ratatu | i remember someone telling me once that a build lasts about 2 days or so |
| 15:51.01 | Ratatu | :) |
| 15:51.45 | mickeyl | even more nowadays |
| 15:51.58 | Ratatu | ugh |
| 15:51.59 | Ratatu | nasty |
| 15:52.09 | mickeyl | heh, yeah, but it's just because we have so much packages |
| 15:52.23 | mickeyl | we'll soon package up xfce and then we have three GUI options |
| 15:52.27 | mickeyl | that'll kick ass |
| 15:52.31 | mickeyl | :) |
| 15:52.34 | Ratatu | yeah |
| 15:52.35 | Ratatu | :) |
| 15:52.35 | mickeyl | (so to speak) |
| 15:54.51 | Ratatu | is there a list somewhere of exactly what packages make sectest what it is? |
| 15:55.17 | mickeyl | you can look at the sources |
| 15:55.24 | mickeyl | http://openembedded.bkbits.net |
| 15:55.30 | mickeyl | -> browse |
| 15:55.33 | mickeyl | -> packages |
| 15:55.35 | mickeyl | -> meta |
| 15:55.41 | mickeyl | -> sectest...something.bb |
| 16:10.55 | Ratatu | found it, but it's too user friendly for me :) |
| 16:11.06 | Ratatu | i get the revision history |
| 16:11.18 | Ratatu | and that's it |
| 16:22.57 | Cwiiis | sectest-task-apps = "\ |
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| 16:24.09 | Ratatu | oh.. thanks a lot! |
| 16:39.16 | Cwiiis | np :) |
| 16:39.31 | Cwiiis | not sure why miniclipboard is there, but whatever... |
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| 17:49.54 | Cwiiis | Ratatu: You might be in luck, looks like I'll be building OZ 3.5.3 poodle images - Do you think you could test them for me? (opie, gpe and bootstrap) |
| 17:51.28 | mickeyl | what's the rootfs size for poodle ? |
| 18:11.10 | zip|6kL | anyone in here been able to install pocketworkstation? |
| 18:12.47 | Ratatu | Cwiiis: Sure! I'd be glad to help.. tell me what you need |
| 18:13.02 | Ratatu | mickeyl: 22M |
| 18:25.16 | Cwiiis | Ratatu: Just for you to flash a few images and see that they work ok before we release them :) Hopefully I'll have some built tomorrow - Will you be here at about the same time in 24 hours? :) |
| 18:25.47 | Ratatu | yep |
| 19:09.36 | Cwiiis | Cool - Will have poodle images for opie/gpe/terminal |
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| 19:19.13 | subdue | gpe? |
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| 20:31.49 | Cwiiis | subdue: Gpe, an alternative palmtop environment to Opie, based on gtk2/x11 |
| 20:38.56 | subdue | haven't seen discussion on ZUG on that |
| 20:39.01 | subdue | unless it goes by another name? |
| 20:39.19 | George | subdue: it's quite well known |
| 20:40.35 | subdue | I probably know it by another name |
| 20:41.30 | subdue | although which one, I have no clue |
| 20:42.00 | subdue | I'd try OZ, but I keep reading stories of people losing their file system |
| 20:42.58 | subdue | I dont mind the sharp ROM at all, except it'd be nice if it was shrunken a little (for the 6000l) |
| 20:47.30 | zip|6kL_ | anyone got pocketworkstation running? |
| 20:47.49 | George | subdue: it doesn't have any other names afaik |
| 20:48.00 | subdue | ok, thanks |
| 20:50.54 | raduga | i actually haven't seen much on ZUG about gpe either. |
| 20:51.00 | raduga | but I *do* know what it is. |
| 20:51.25 | raduga | and have been running it, about twice as long as I've had a zaurus |
| 21:08.35 | subdue | I do see references on google about it |
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| 21:10.39 | Ratatu | completely off-topic |
| 21:10.45 | Ratatu | and quite ashamed to bring it up |
| 21:10.48 | Ratatu | but i have to ask |
| 21:10.49 | Ratatu | :) |
| 21:11.17 | Ratatu | anyone here with any experience using copy callback handlers? |
| 21:12.20 | Ratatu | i mean.. if a copy hook is registered |
| 21:13.00 | Ratatu | and watching a folder |
| 21:13.17 | Ratatu | and a specific operation is attempted on a file that is contained in that folder |
| 21:13.22 | Ratatu | is the hook called or not? |
| 21:20.26 | raduga | ehh. have you tried asking in #bill_gates'_bitch ? |
| 21:21.09 | Ratatu | nope, but i'm op there now |
| 21:21.11 | Ratatu | :D |
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| 21:23.24 | Ratatu | what did i miss? |
| 21:23.35 | Ratatu | someone answered my question while i was away? |
| 21:23.37 | Ratatu | :) |
| 21:23.54 | zip|6kL_ | yeah everyone |
| 21:24.32 | Ratatu | glad i missed it then... i'll have a chance to improve my skills through self discipline and thorough research |
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| 22:46.34 | zac12345 | hey people |
| 22:46.42 | zac12345 | i just got an SL-5500 |
| 22:47.07 | zac12345 | aren't you happy for me? |
| 22:50.18 | Piranha- | if you send it to me I will be :) |
| 22:54.28 | zac12345 | harhar |
| 22:54.44 | zac12345 | i'm having some problems installing konqueror |
| 22:54.51 | zac12345 | but that is an openzaurus question |
| 22:55.11 | zac12345 | and the #openzaurus isn't being helpful |
| 23:01.35 | raduga | what are the problems installing konqueror? |
| 23:01.51 | Ratatu | if you want my opinion, don't bother |
| 23:02.10 | Ratatu | either get opera or try minimo |
| 23:02.25 | Ratatu | i'll try minimo tommorow myself, but can't be worse than konqueror |
| 23:03.42 | Ratatu | and i think you need oz-compat installed for konqueror to work |
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| 23:07.08 | raduga | konqueror is a bit memory hungry, indeed. |
| 23:07.25 | raduga | hello mithro |
| 23:24.00 | zac12345 | i'm using openzaurus though |
| 23:24.22 | Ratatu | so am i, and i'm gladly switching to gpe |
| 23:24.23 | Ratatu | :) |
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| 23:30.05 | zac12345 | I don't really know if i'm running gpe |
| 23:30.10 | zac12345 | what is the easiest way to find out? |
| 23:30.27 | Ratatu | well you're either running opie or gpe |
| 23:30.34 | Ratatu | i'd bet you run opie, though |
| 23:33.20 | zac12345 | yeah, i run opie |
| 23:33.41 | Cwiiis | raduga / subdue: One of the pinned topics on the OpenZaurus roms section of the oesf forums is offering a pre-release gpe-image for collie |
| 23:34.27 | Cwiiis | I can't see why it's so unheard of... OZ has offered a gpe image since 3.5.1 and its been talked about a fair bit on the message board |
| 23:38.44 | raduga | that's nice. |
| 23:38.54 | Cwiiis | What do you have? |
| 23:39.13 | Cwiiis | only for another 3-4 days? |
| 23:39.33 | raduga | in a little over a week, my Husky will be pgas' |
| 23:39.39 | raduga | it died :( |
| 23:39.49 | Cwiiis | ah :/ |
| 23:39.51 | raduga | it's been sold :( |
| 23:40.11 | Cwiiis | Shame :/ |
| 23:40.18 | Cwiiis | Getting another Z? |
| 23:40.19 | raduga | i await the gathering of gold, apon which I will base my empire of Akita! |
| 23:40.36 | raduga | (i think I've got the right dog?) |
| 23:40.56 | raduga | cwiiis: yes. not enough money now. hopefully enough money soon. |
| 23:41.32 | raduga | cwiiis: do any of the OZ people have Akitas or friends yet? |
| 23:42.08 | Cwiiis | raduga: akita being C3000/1000, right? |
| 23:43.19 | raduga | yep. |
| 23:43.26 | raduga | is akita both C3k and C1k? |
| 23:43.45 | raduga | I'd think they would be different dogs, but I've only seen the name Akita |
| 23:44.21 | Cwiiis | I've no idea - but to answer your question, not as far as I'm aware - donate one to me and I'll be the first ;) |
| 23:46.05 | raduga | offroadgeek has one; I don't know if he does any codework for OE/OZ though. |
| 23:46.38 | raduga | cwiiis: I feel badly about not donating my Husky to the Greater Good :[ |
| 23:47.06 | raduga | video is *gone* but it otherwise still runs. |
| 23:47.45 | Cwiiis | raduga: There's still plenty of time to help out in other ways (or in the form of donation still) :) |
| 23:47.51 | raduga | yes. :) |
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