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| 00:49.58 | qubit | I have a 5500 that has done a reset a couple of times in the past week. I just sync'd it, then put it in my pocket and went home from work -- when I got home, it had reset. |
| 00:59.03 | qubit | could it have gotten flexed in my pocket? |
| 01:06.54 | HCl | sure it didn't run out of power? |
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| 02:01.52 | qubit | HCl: naw -- the battery has been full both times. |
| 02:03.01 | HCl | k.. |
| 02:04.25 | qubit | could I have flexed it or shifted it some way so that the battery contacts separated from the battery ?? |
| 02:06.01 | HCl | hrm. |
| 02:06.14 | HCl | i don't really see that happening quickly if i think about my 5500 |
| 02:06.19 | HCl | the battery's in there really tight |
| 02:06.43 | qubit | yeah -- that's why I just don't get why it happened (and twice...) |
| 02:06.54 | HCl | personally, i'd say, upgrade to openzaurus, which stores your data in flash, rather than in ram, which needs constant power |
| 02:07.09 | qubit | Ah... good |
| 02:07.10 | HCl | but yea. ofcourse you don't have to follow that advice. |
| 02:07.28 | qubit | I wanted to play with OpenZaurus, but I was going to wait until I could track down the hardware issue. |
| 02:08.03 | HCl | yea.. well. the hardware issue would still be there, but it wouldn't be much of a bother since the data is stored in flash.. |
| 02:08.21 | HCl | i have an 256mb sd card which i use for my Z's OS and data.. |
| 02:08.29 | qubit | But if it stores the data in flash, then that would actually fix this problem (at least in the short run). |
| 02:08.38 | HCl | i remember never charging it in time when i had my z |
| 02:08.42 | HCl | and keeping to lose my data |
| 02:08.52 | HCl | openzaurus fixes that... |
| 02:09.03 | HCl | but because it doesn't compress the flash image, you can store less on it |
| 02:09.23 | qubit | Yeah, I pulled out my flash wireless card because that kept on sucking power and I kept on ending up with a dead battery and no data. |
| 02:09.24 | HCl | but then, the stock firmware doesn't allow you to store anything new in flash at all, so yea o.o |
| 02:09.39 | HCl | plus like |
| 02:09.41 | HCl | with openzaurus |
| 02:09.49 | HCl | you can actually utilize the full 64mb ram |
| 02:09.54 | HCl | instead of dedicating 32mb to a ram disk |
| 02:11.46 | qubit | are SD cards more expensive than flash cards (per MB) ? |
| 02:14.12 | HCl | euh. |
| 02:14.15 | HCl | i'm not sure o.o; |
| 02:14.20 | HCl | its been a while since i bought it. |
| 02:14.57 | HCl | i know they're much, much more practical to use as a harddisk in my 5500 |
| 02:15.11 | HCl | since its small, need little power, and can practically be in there permanently |
| 02:15.30 | qubit | fair 'nuff. |
| 02:15.47 | HCl | and you can still use your cf slot, ofcourse.. |
| 02:15.57 | qubit | yeah -- I'm not sure what else I'd use the SD slot for, soo.. |
| 02:16.16 | HCl | well, i wanted to have both diskspace and wifi.. so yea |
| 02:16.43 | HCl | i still haven't gotten wifi to work with our crummy 802.1x university network :/ |
| 02:18.22 | qubit | I just had problems because there's a space character in the SSID for our network, and the original OS installed wouldn't accept a space |
| 02:18.52 | qubit | (so you had to get a terminal + an editor loaded on before you could get networking to work. |
| 02:19.27 | qubit | I still haven't gotten it to work with the wireless network at my work, though. |
| 02:19.55 | qubit | How do you sync it with your primary computer? |
| 02:21.02 | HCl | i don't o.o |
| 02:21.13 | HCl | i just do everything on my z directly |
| 02:21.23 | HCl | i don't really have an agenda or anything on my pc |
| 02:22.31 | qubit | oh.. |
| 02:23.17 | HCl | but oz has sync stuff.. |
| 02:23.39 | qubit | Yeah, I've been trying to figure out how to sync things up -- I have a work computer, then a laptop at home, etc.. |
| 02:28.07 | qubit | Actually, I've been really surprised that there isn't a better framework for keeping track of vCard, iCal (mCal?), and todo information |
| 02:34.09 | HCl | mhm.. |
| 02:34.30 | HCl | fortunately, i'm not that a busy person to need a lot of managing of my schedule :x |
| 02:34.44 | qubit | ;-) |
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| 07:33.42 | ljp | humm deee dumm dumm |
| 07:54.12 | ljp | hoo deee doo doo |
| 09:03.11 | VladDrac | ladida |
| 09:10.10 | VladDrac | for? |
| 09:25.11 | ljp | :) |
| 09:28.20 | VladDrac | so I'll probably get things working this week :) |
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| 13:05.04 | zaurus4ever | hi |
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| 14:27.22 | LinuxApe | Is there a new rom available anywhere yet with the new qtopia for zaurus 5500? |
| 14:35.33 | mickeyl | no |
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| 16:27.13 | raduga | linuxape: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=9872&hl= |
| 16:46.22 | LinuxApe | raduga: I'm a little to gun-shy to try an alpha version. I use my zaurus too heavily to have it stop working. |
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| 17:06.53 | caffinated | ew, that announcement was made in 2003 |
| 17:07.08 | caffinated | hopefully it's still not alpha |
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| 17:53.50 | zaurus4ever | hi all :p |
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| 17:57.12 | zonezeid | hi |
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| 18:38.30 | digitalwulf | hello |
| 18:38.55 | digitalwulf | kergoth: how do I access CVS server of openzaurus? |
| 18:39.30 | Luke-Jr | How do I tell my Z that the audio jack is a mic? |
| 18:40.44 | mickeyl | digitalwulf: there is no cvs server for openzaurus |
| 18:41.09 | mickeyl | almost everything is downloadable via bk |
| 18:41.16 | mickeyl | see openembedded.bkbits.net |
| 18:42.55 | digitalwulf | luke-jr: audio jack is audio and mic at same time:) |
| 18:44.09 | Luke-Jr | digitalwulf: How? It can only be input or output at one time... |
| 18:44.33 | Luke-Jr | If I plug a mic in, I want the speakers to continue audio output o.o |
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| 18:45.52 | digitalwulf | you use phones that have audio and mic... |
| 18:46.25 | digitalwulf | like the ones that are used by telephone centrals:) |
| 18:46.34 | digitalwulf | to talk with clients:) |
| 18:48.02 | Luke-Jr | ?? |
| 18:48.10 | Luke-Jr | Z has internal speakers and an audio jack... |
| 18:48.16 | digitalwulf | mickeyl: there are plans to put the files in CVS? |
| 18:48.18 | Luke-Jr | I just want to use the internal speakers w/ a mic |
| 18:48.49 | digitalwulf | oh, I have a SL-5500, what zaurus did you have? |
| 18:49.52 | mickeyl | digitalwulf: no plans to use CVS. we like BitKeeper. |
| 18:49.54 | digitalwulf | mickeyl: i ask this because i see that kergoth talk about CVS: 12 weeks kergoth 1.790.1.1 Unbork my 'localdir' option support in the CVS fetcher. The recent cvs update support had broken it, and it wasn't noticed, as binutils from cvs is the only package that needs it. |
| 18:50.16 | digitalwulf | ok, i'll try it:) thanks. |
| 18:50.33 | mickeyl | yes, OpenEmbedded uses many upstream sources which are from CVS. |
| 18:50.41 | mickeyl | this is what the CVS fetcher does |
| 18:50.42 | mickeyl | :) |
| 18:51.29 | digitalwulf | mickeyl: how can I contribute to openzaurus? |
| 18:51.57 | mickeyl | you can a) work on opie or b) work on maintaining/improving packages or c) work on the kernel |
| 18:52.03 | digitalwulf | mickeyl: i mean, what I can do? |
| 18:52.17 | mickeyl | there are many areas which need improvement |
| 18:52.22 | mickeyl | just chose one |
| 18:52.35 | mickeyl | preferably something that bugs you |
| 18:52.45 | mickeyl | this is the best motivation to improve anything |
| 18:53.06 | digitalwulf | ok, i'll go see what I can do:) |
| 18:53.34 | digitalwulf | what about creating more software? |
| 18:53.58 | mickeyl | if you think there's something missing, go ahead |
| 18:54.12 | mickeyl | it's just that normally improving existing packages is a bit better in general |
| 18:54.26 | mickeyl | because users tend to like few great apps rather than many half baken ones :) |
| 18:54.34 | mickeyl | same applies to ROMs in general |
| 18:54.36 | mickeyl | *cough* |
| 18:54.37 | mickeyl | :) |
| 18:54.39 | digitalwulf | ok |
| 18:55.08 | digitalwulf | mickeyl: there are plans to openzaurus uses /home in SD/CF card instead of internal memory? |
| 18:56.34 | mickeyl | not per default, however there are people working on unionfs |
| 18:56.48 | mickeyl | which is pretty promising |
| 18:57.06 | kergoth | pretty promising is an understatement :) |
| 18:57.11 | kergoth | we've been waiting for it for years |
| 18:57.16 | mickeyl | is it? i never toyed with it at all |
| 18:57.38 | mickeyl | i guess the performance penalty is irrelevant when using it in conjuction w/ SD and CF |
| 18:58.05 | kergoth | scanline and co were playing with it as a means of pulling in filesystems from all sorts of independent drives into a single archive directory in the filesystme without having to mess with raid |
| 18:58.20 | kergoth | course they had to switch the priorities around to manipulate which drive writes go to :) |
| 18:58.32 | kergoth | but still, all sorts of possibilities in a variety of areas |
| 18:59.39 | digitalwulf | if I press reset on my zaurus, I lost all links to software that were on my desktop, i think thoose links are in /home directory in internal memory, aren't they? |
| 18:59.57 | mickeyl | the _zaurus_ ? |
| 19:00.05 | mickeyl | this is ROM dependent |
| 19:00.15 | digitalwulf | same if battery goes down, the systems starts from strash. |
| 19:00.27 | mickeyl | the SharpROM does all sorts of wierd symlink hacks |
| 19:00.41 | mickeyl | into RAM out of RAM, so this vanishes on reset |
| 19:01.00 | digitalwulf | you mean that shortcuts on openzaurus desktop are saved on ROM, not in RAM? |
| 19:01.18 | mickeyl | yes |
| 19:01.25 | mickeyl | i don't know what you mean with shortcuts thogh |
| 19:01.30 | mickeyl | applications |
| 19:02.00 | digitalwulf | the shortcuts to software that are in openzaurus gui |
| 19:02.11 | mickeyl | hmm define shortcuts please |
| 19:02.21 | mickeyl | i dunno what a shortcut is |
| 19:02.38 | digitalwulf | shortcuts=Links to software that are on desktop of openzaurus. |
| 19:02.58 | mickeyl | hmm. Opie doesn't use shortcuts, it uses .desktop files |
| 19:03.17 | digitalwulf | oh, I see |
| 19:03.20 | mickeyl | these are saved whereever you install apps to . there are multiple palces |
| 19:03.24 | mickeyl | ROM is default on OZ |
| 19:03.25 | digitalwulf | and where is stored that .desktop files? |
| 19:03.26 | digitalwulf | in RAM? |
| 19:03.41 | mickeyl | where you like. either FlashROM or RAM or SD/CF |
| 19:03.51 | mickeyl | per default in ROM. |
| 19:03.51 | digitalwulf | why can't we switch to SD/CF card the links? |
| 19:04.16 | mickeyl | because Qtopia and Opie only look in one destination for .desktop files |
| 19:04.26 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 19:04.37 | digitalwulf | ROM isn't read only memory? :) |
| 19:04.41 | mickeyl | s/ROM/Flash/ |
| 19:04.51 | digitalwulf | oh:) i see |
| 19:05.08 | digitalwulf | so if I press reset all of that directory is cleaned. |
| 19:05.10 | digitalwulf | right? |
| 19:05.21 | digitalwulf | can't that directory be moved to SD/CF card? |
| 19:05.44 | mickeyl | sure |
| 19:05.47 | mickeyl | that's what some people do |
| 19:05.49 | mickeyl | linking it |
| 19:06.25 | digitalwulf | oh:) i'm learning here:) I do it in redhat:) |
| 19:07.01 | digitalwulf | well, i'll go look to the code to see if I can do some improvements:) |
| 19:07.12 | mickeyl | ok, good. |
| 19:07.15 | digitalwulf | see ya |
| 19:07.19 | mickeyl | yup, cu |
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| 22:54.56 | rphillips | does qt-embedded 3.3.4 work on the zaurus? |
| 22:56.55 | kergoth | i doubt itd be much use, given nothing uses it |
| 22:57.05 | kergoth | and there's no qtopia or opie that supports it |
| 22:57.13 | George | rphillips: probably ;) |
| 22:57.16 | George | hey kergoth |
| 22:57.19 | kergoth | hey |
| 22:57.31 | George | kergoth: how's things? |
| 23:11.38 | SuN | Isn't there any OS pinball game suited for zaurus? |
| 23:17.22 | ljp | *cough* no |
| 23:19.52 | George | ljp: fuck you :) |
| 23:20.14 | ljp | ha ha. no thanks. I have a g-friend for that :D |
| 23:20.27 | George | ljp: you have a gorilla friend? ewwww |
| 23:21.04 | SuN | No, he meant gay-friend. |
| 23:21.14 | George | goat friend? |
| 23:23.34 | ljp | godzilla-friend |
| 23:23.46 | George | ewwww |
| 23:23.56 | ljp | and shes on her way to kick yer ass |
| 23:25.14 | kergoth | silly hippies should stop fucking godzillas :) |
| 23:25.35 | ljp | i like the flames, man |
| 23:25.39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:25.45 | kergoth | kinky |
| 23:28.46 | ljp | spikes too |
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| 23:44.18 | George | ljp: let's see a picture of this godzilla then |
| 23:47.24 | ljp | http://www.geocities.com/joleneblalock_fan_page/octmaximthelook02.jpg |
| 23:47.27 | ljp | ;) |
| 23:48.31 | kergoth | mm. |
