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| 00:24.27 | gerrynjr | raduga: sorry, i want that one too 8) |
| 00:25.54 | kairi | dudes, this is way OT, but...I got a freaking job offer :X |
| 00:26.30 | kergoth | congrats |
| 00:26.34 | kairi | arigato. |
| 00:26.40 | kergoth | i need one of those, or 3 |
| 00:27.01 | gerrynjr | kairi: congratulations |
| 00:27.09 | ChipX86 | kairi: cool, where? |
| 00:27.12 | kairi | I'm still waiting for another interview, at a place that's a bit closer to me |
| 00:27.13 | kairi | ThePlanet.com |
| 00:27.31 | kairi | A fairly nice datacenter, imho |
| 00:32.17 | kairi | And...perhaps the Mac mini will be a decent workstation for me to start doing some more OZ work on |
| 00:34.38 | gerrynjr | kairi: looking to sell my old amd athlonXP box and the xbox to get a mini |
| 00:34.49 | gerrynjr | kairi: I just invested 450 in a SLI Athlon64 box |
| 00:35.07 | kairi | Good call :) |
| 00:35.25 | gerrynjr | kairi: linux runs great on it 8) |
| 00:35.40 | gerrynjr | asus a8n sli |
| 00:35.51 | kairi | aye |
| 00:36.07 | kairi | This will also give me an excuse to further the NetBSD porting effort to the mini |
| 00:36.17 | kairi | ...if there is to be much done ;x |
| 00:36.41 | gerrynjr | kairi: from what i've read though, it says that the memory is not user upgradeable |
| 00:36.58 | kairi | What, they solder that shit on? |
| 00:37.26 | gerrynjr | kairi: no... the case is clipped tight |
| 00:37.37 | gerrynjr | kairi: or they use funky screws on it |
| 00:37.52 | kairi | Heh, won't stop me |
| 00:37.57 | gerrynjr | me either |
| 00:38.04 | gerrynjr | but i'll be waiting 3 months or so for mine |
| 00:38.08 | gerrynjr | (stupid car) |
| 00:38.08 | kairi | damn :/ |
| 00:38.11 | kairi | nod |
| 00:38.26 | kairi | then again...I own a NeXT tool |
| 00:38.38 | gerrynjr | I do like the idea of having one connected to a kvm as a secondary/mess around w/ box |
| 00:38.48 | kairi | mhm |
| 00:39.01 | gerrynjr | then again.. this athlon64 is a mess around w/ box |
| 00:39.27 | gerrynjr | I thought after a year, the arch would have been mainstream.. there a few non-showstopping bugs |
| 00:39.35 | gerrynjr | but bugs nonetheless |
| 00:39.54 | kergoth | what bugs? |
| 00:40.32 | gerrynjr | some x86 assembler stuffs puke on a 64 bit install |
| 00:40.43 | gerrynjr | it wont expand to take the full 64 bit register |
| 00:40.50 | gerrynjr | so, some patches are needed |
| 00:40.56 | gerrynjr | mainly the bugs are w/ asm |
| 00:41.10 | kairi | The way I see it, they should have stopped at the 8086 |
| 00:41.11 | gerrynjr | any higher-level language usually does fine |
| 00:41.29 | gerrynjr | kairi: I can break backwards compatability if I wanted 8) |
| 00:41.36 | kairi | ;x |
| 00:41.53 | gerrynjr | kairi: kernel option to "allow 32 bit binaries" |
| 00:41.59 | gerrynjr | uncheck that and poof |
| 00:42.03 | gerrynjr | I cant run 32 bit stuffs |
| 00:42.38 | gerrynjr | kairi: ideally, i'd have an alpha of some sort |
| 00:47.05 | raduga | will ELKS run in dosbox? |
| 00:47.39 | kairi | Yes |
| 00:47.51 | kairi | It should, at least. I haven't tried lately |
| 00:48.19 | raduga | i wonder if anyone from the Zaurus side is going to figure out how to get dosbox > 0.61 working |
| 00:48.32 | raduga | the dosbox core devs have given up :( |
| 00:48.36 | kairi | :/ |
| 00:48.47 | raduga | some sort of keyboard problem |
| 00:48.52 | kairi | I'm very much still interested in running Basilisk II on a C-series Z |
| 00:49.34 | raduga | where did it get the name 'basilisk' from? |
| 00:49.49 | raduga | were the developers all stoned when they tried to work on it? |
| 00:49.51 | kairi | shrug, where did the Frodo author get that name from? ;x |
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| 01:01.49 | kairi | fuck off ;x |
| 01:01.58 | Pendalar | that's not nice =-/ |
| 01:10.56 | Pendalar | kairi can you do me a favor? |
| 01:10.59 | kairi | ja? |
| 01:11.23 | Pendalar | do you run OZ on your zaurus (hopefully a sl5500)? |
| 01:11.29 | kairi | Yes, and yes |
| 01:11.47 | Pendalar | could you look in /etc/pointercal and tell me your values? |
| 01:12.08 | Pendalar | my touchscreen is blown and I'm simply trying to fool the calibration into letting me move on |
| 01:12.11 | kairi | nods |
| 01:12.32 | kairi | -20480 0 21258240 0 15300 451380 65536 |
| 01:13.07 | Pendalar | on 1 line or 1 value per line? |
| 01:13.22 | kairi | that's all one line |
| 01:13.34 | Pendalar | ok let me try that |
| 01:13.38 | Pendalar | thanks a bunch =-) |
| 01:13.42 | kairi | bitte schoen |
| 01:51.10 | Pendalar | kergoth do you know how to recalibrate fbvncserver w/o reinstalling? |
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| 03:30.18 | kergoth_ | Pendalar: there's a calibration file in /etc you can remove. then reboot, and do the calibration procedure |
| 03:30.23 | kergoth_ | Pendalar: i dont recall the filename though |
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| 05:32.37 | UndrWater | i need some advice |
| 05:33.10 | UndrWater | my 5500 is dead... |
| 05:33.32 | UndrWater | the CFO has given me the go-ahead to spend up to $350 on another Z |
| 05:33.54 | UndrWater | for that price...what is the best option? |
| 05:34.19 | raduga | there isn't anything available -new- for $350 |
| 05:34.33 | raduga | though you might be able to find a "new" 5500 or 5600 on eBay for that. |
| 05:34.57 | raduga | your best bet, I'd say, would be a used 6000 or C700/750/760 |
| 05:34.57 | UndrWater | raduga: doesn't have to be "new" as in brand spankin new...just new as in new to me ;) |
| 05:35.18 | raduga | Conics has C700 used, for $385 |
| 05:35.31 | raduga | if you want to go with a real storefront, they are probably your best bet. |
| 05:35.46 | UndrWater | the c700 allows the pxa rom? or whatever it's called? |
| 05:35.52 | raduga | if eBay is okay, you can probably find a 750 or 6000 (maybe) |
| 05:36.21 | raduga | yes. it's a bit slow, and doesn't have as much ram as the 760/860, but it's basically functional. |
| 05:36.25 | UndrWater | there's a 6000 for about #300 there now..but i doubt it'll stay at that price |
| 05:36.26 | raduga | pdaXrom |
| 05:37.00 | UndrWater | how does the clam feel in the pocket? |
| 05:37.01 | raduga | UnderWater: personally, I'd go for the C700, if stuck between that and a SL-6k |
| 05:37.27 | raduga | if you wear ordinary slacks or anything that's not too restrictive, it feels fine |
| 05:37.43 | raduga | I wouldn't want to wear jeans with a zaurus clamshell in tow |
| 05:37.49 | UndrWater | hehehe |
| 05:37.55 | raduga | but I carry mine in pocket frequently |
| 05:37.59 | UndrWater | why the c700 over the 6k? |
| 05:38.18 | raduga | the major reason I *usually* carry it in a case in my backpack is out of fear of damaging it. It's not awkward to carry. |
| 05:38.36 | raduga | C700 is a clamshell, and is rather smaller |
| 05:39.07 | UndrWater | hmmm.// |
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| 05:39.38 | raduga | the 6000 has twice the memory, both ram and flash, though |
| 05:39.43 | raduga | but its much bulkier |
| 05:39.52 | raduga | but it has USB host |
| 05:39.58 | UndrWater | how much bulkier than the 5500 is the 6k? |
| 05:40.04 | raduga | but the screen is 480x640 (as opposed to 640x480) |
| 05:40.25 | UndrWater | c700 has 640x480? |
| 05:41.16 | raduga | I haven't really used them both; my feeling is that the SL-5500/5600 are barely pocket-sized (comfortably) and the SL-6000 is probably not comfortable in pocket |
| 05:41.28 | raduga | (I've used a 5600 briefly) |
| 05:41.38 | UndrWater | pocket comfort is important... |
| 05:41.50 | raduga | C700/750/760/860 have a folding keyboard, below a 640x480 screen |
| 05:42.01 | raduga | SL6000 has a sliding keyboard below a 480x640 screen |
| 05:42.18 | raduga | or you can turn it sideways for 640x480- but you can NOT type like that |
| 05:42.42 | UndrWater | c700 has IR for irk? |
| 05:43.05 | raduga | all models have IR. only the 6000 has wifi |
| 05:43.45 | UndrWater | built-in wifi is attractive...i'll have to compare dimensions with the pocketpc i'm using in the meantime |
| 05:44.02 | UndrWater | it's painful using wince :P |
| 05:44.12 | raduga | also look for the specifications... they're on the web somewhere |
| 05:44.42 | UndrWater | i'll do that...thanks for your input! |
| 05:45.18 | raduga | one actual advantage to the C700 over the 750/760/860, is that the keyboard is painted in a way that makes the keys *look* more readable |
| 05:46.03 | raduga | it may not count for much, but it (in my opinion) makes the device look snazzier. But honestly, the 750/760/860 will be more useable. |
| 05:46.05 | UndrWater | interesting... |
| 05:46.25 | raduga | 6000 runs only Sharp and OpenZaurus (experimental) |
| 05:46.37 | UndrWater | most important functions are pim and reader... |
| 05:46.43 | raduga | C-series run Sharp, Cacko QT, pdaXrom, and OZ |
| 05:46.47 | raduga | hmm |
| 05:47.00 | raduga | for PIM, the clamshells are a little awkward |
| 05:47.18 | raduga | I'd say the 5500/5600/6000 are most convenient as PIM/PDA |
| 05:47.43 | UndrWater | what makes the clam awkward as pim? |
| 05:48.19 | raduga | reading text documents... possibly the 6000 is the best, because it has the best screen of the bunch. but the Clamshells are definitely better than the 5500/5600 |
| 05:48.20 | raduga | well. |
| 05:48.39 | raduga | the clamshells really need two hands to use effectively |
| 05:48.58 | UndrWater | ahhh |
| 05:49.04 | raduga | you cradle the unit in both hands, and type with two fingers and thumbs |
| 05:49.20 | raduga | the 5x00 and 6x00 are one-handed |
| 05:49.26 | raduga | that is, one hand holds it, the other is free |
| 05:49.27 | ViV | we need voice recognition software on our Zs :) |
| 05:49.39 | ViV | and head-mounted display too :) |
| 05:49.48 | UndrWater | cmusphinx |
| 05:49.55 | raduga | but the clamshells are much better if you want to *type* |
| 05:50.06 | raduga | if you're doing almost all data output... you may not need it |
| 05:50.14 | raduga | if you want to do much of any data input... you may need it |
| 05:50.24 | UndrWater | well...true typing would be done with an IR keyboard or usb if the device could be host |
| 05:50.46 | raduga | yeah. |
| 05:50.57 | UndrWater | looks as if i can get the 6k, that would be the best bet |
| 05:50.58 | raduga | I'm not sure whether USB keyboards are supported though... you might check ZUG |
| 05:51.02 | raduga | irk yes. |
| 05:51.12 | kergoth_ | usb keyboards are supported on the 6k |
| 05:51.14 | UndrWater | i've seen the KB's that work on ZUG... |
| 05:51.32 | raduga | kergoth: ok. I had heard rumors otherwise. glad to be wrong :) |
| 05:51.48 | UndrWater | do any of the clams have usb host? |
| 05:51.53 | kergoth_ | nope |
| 05:51.57 | raduga | only the C3000, which is brand new |
| 05:52.09 | raduga | and probably won't be available < $350 |
| 05:52.09 | kergoth_ | the 3000 has a usb host? i dont remember reading that |
| 05:52.14 | ViV | there is a usb host expansion cards |
| 05:52.17 | ViV | *are |
| 05:52.28 | UndrWater | CF? |
| 05:52.33 | ViV | yes |
| 05:52.49 | UndrWater | have they been tested with the Z? |
| 05:53.00 | kergoth_ | yeah, none of the specs i've read on the c3000 say anything about a usb host |
| 05:53.01 | raduga | kergoth: initial rumors were unclear on the matter, but check out all the posts on ZUG asking about USB mini-a cables |
| 05:53.08 | kergoth_ | dynamism's page for ordering them says nothing |
| 05:53.14 | ViV | mine works with pdaxrom <= 1.1.0rc2 |
| 05:53.20 | kergoth_ | ah, cool. |
| 05:53.27 | raduga | kergoth: the published *specs* that have been floating around in fact say nothing. |
| 05:53.58 | raduga | kergoth: the fact that lots of users are saying "this dumb zaurus didn't come with a cable. where can i get one???" suggests otherwise. |
| 05:54.27 | raduga | kergoth: I'd love to see pictures of a 3000 that actually show all the ports, though |
| 05:54.38 | kergoth_ | nod |
| 05:54.49 | raduga | but anyway, some #zaurus users have them on order. try asking in a few days ;) |
| 05:55.17 | kergoth_ | i'm still wondering what possed sharp to put a fucking hard drive in a pda, and leave out wireless |
| 05:55.28 | UndrWater | i'm watching the lights of my Z flash away...:( |
| 05:55.50 | raduga | what happened to it? |
| 05:56.05 | UndrWater | dunno really... |
| 05:56.29 | UndrWater | i flashed oz 3.5.2...then CF card wasn't recognized...figured bad rom...tried to reflash...no go |
| 05:57.13 | UndrWater | i think the CF slot somehow got killed |
| 05:57.29 | raduga | undrwater: have you tried getting into the service menu? |
| 05:57.40 | UndrWater | raduga: yeah...i can get there |
| 05:57.42 | raduga | or the sharp tools menu? |
| 05:57.42 | raduga | oh |
| 05:57.46 | raduga | hmmm |
| 05:58.17 | UndrWater | not much help there...output is pretty cryptic |
| 05:59.58 | UndrWater | the unit will boot OZ...so i can play games...or write or whatever...but without CF it's pretty much useless for me |
| 06:00.44 | raduga | ok. so OZ is running at least? |
| 06:00.50 | UndrWater | yeah |
| 06:00.54 | raduga | but it doesn't respond to the CF at all |
| 06:01.05 | raduga | hm. that's not good. |
| 06:01.07 | UndrWater | it does...calls it anonymous memory |
| 06:01.17 | UndrWater | but it won't mount |
| 06:01.31 | UndrWater | not a block device |
| 06:02.45 | raduga | do you have another CF card you could test it with? |
| 06:03.34 | UndrWater | i've got several...all report the same...as with the wifi cards too |
| 06:03.45 | kergoth_ | anonymous memory means the kernel was unable to even read the configuration information on the card |
| 06:03.57 | kergoth_ | that _usually_ indicates a hardware failure, either in the card or the slot |
| 06:04.08 | kergoth_ | though it can also be caused by a misconfiguration of voltage (3.3 vs 5) |
| 06:04.18 | UndrWater | that's interesting... |
| 06:04.43 | UndrWater | does that happen in the kernel? |
| 06:06.50 | kergoth_ | pcmcia is a complex beast. there's a userspace daemon and kernel modules |
| 06:07.16 | kergoth_ | there are parameters in /etc/pcmcia/config that can affect things (resources, irq & mem selection / exclusion, etc) |
| 06:07.32 | kergoth_ | so again, both kernel and userspace components |
| 06:07.55 | kergoth_ | my memory is crap, i dont recall any of the specifics wrt pcmcia and voltages |
| 06:08.03 | UndrWater | allright...since it's dead to me anyway...what can i mess around with? |
| 06:08.41 | kergoth_ | ? |
| 06:09.05 | kergoth_ | i couldve sworn i just directed you to the main pcmcia configuration file, that lets you exert control over things like resources and voltages. |
| 06:09.08 | kergoth_ | google is your friend |
| 06:09.16 | UndrWater | :D |
| 06:10.13 | UndrWater | your usual friendly self...i understood that part...anything in kernel space that can be modified |
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| 06:11.06 | kergoth_ | ? |
| 06:11.19 | kergoth_ | you know how to code in kernelspace? |
| 06:11.50 | UndrWater | no...but i've got a good book! ;) |
| 06:12.06 | kergoth_ | come back when you've read it. |
| 06:12.14 | kergoth_ | until then, go google for info on pcmcia and read. |
| 06:12.19 | UndrWater | aye aye cap'n |
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| 09:51.33 | kendrick | night |
| 10:12.52 | VladDrac | mogge |
| 10:30.12 | VladDrac | ah I found the posting from the guy getting pdaxrom to work on c3000 |
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| 11:18.47 | dlm21 | hi all. anyone heard of/seen an error complaining about "RO flash" at 85% though installing the pdaxrom RC8 ? |
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| 21:09.56 | raduga | eeep! |
| 21:10.06 | raduga | huygens has images! |
| 21:10.31 | raduga | anyone know where to find them? none of the news sites seem to be carrying them... (yet?) |
| 21:11.10 | raduga | oh, ok. here's something: http://www.swissinfo.org/xobix_media/images/sri/2005/sriimg20050114_5468885_0.jpg |
| 21:11.15 | raduga | er. |
| 21:11.16 | raduga | http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=106&sid=5468614 |
| 21:13.46 | raduga | http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=15091 |
| 21:20.59 | raduga | ok. alsa built. (hopefully seq24 only needs the alsa libs, and not the low level kernel support) |
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| 22:07.33 | TaZ | hello :) |
| 22:07.47 | TaZ | how to compile application for the zaurus? |
| 22:07.56 | TaZ | could it be on a PC (X86)? |
| 22:09.08 | TaZ | hello mickeyl |
| 22:12.15 | mickeyl | evening TaZ |
| 22:12.21 | TaZ | :) |
| 22:12.35 | mickeyl | yes, cross compiling apps on x86 for zaurus is possible. we do it always |
| 22:12.48 | TaZ | do you known how to compile application (written for X86) for zaurus? |
| 22:12.48 | mickeyl | it needs a bit of research though |
| 22:12.59 | TaZ | ok cool :) |
| 22:13.12 | TaZ | do you have web site to explain that ? |
| 22:13.52 | mickeyl | http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT6830035793.html is not bad |
| 22:14.35 | TaZ | thx :) |
| 22:15.51 | TaZ | and when you compile for the zaurus it (the compilater) make *.ipk file ?? |
| 22:16.41 | mickeyl | no you need a package named ipkg-utils to make ipkgs |
| 22:16.51 | TaZ | ok |
| 22:17.25 | TaZ | but..i don't understand: I must compil on my zaurus or on my PC X86 to make file compatible with my zaurus? |
| 22:17.56 | mickeyl | if you are sane you compile on x86 |
| 22:17.58 | TaZ | in fact i would like to port VNC viewer on the SharpROM....Is it hard? |
| 22:18.04 | TaZ | ok ;-) |
| 22:18.10 | mickeyl | there are already a few ports of vnc to sharprom |
| 22:18.16 | mickeyl | i would start checking those first |
| 22:18.40 | TaZ | oh! sorry....but i find only vnc for OZ :/ |
| 22:21.24 | TaZ | do you have this software? |
| 22:21.36 | TaZ | VNC viewer for the Zaurus SL-6000L ? :) please |
| 22:23.34 | TaZ | mickeyl, I must DL it ( http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt/index.html ) to compile on windows for my zaurus? |
| 22:24.21 | raduga | TaZ: what rom you have. stock Sharp rom? |
| 22:24.29 | raduga | s/./?/ |
| 22:24.54 | TaZ | i have the original sharp zaurus SL-6000L ROM |
| 22:25.04 | raduga | <mickeyl> if you are sane you compile on x86 |
| 22:25.39 | raduga | if you're insane, you build pdaXrom on i386, target i386 |
| 22:25.51 | raduga | and, like sashz, run pdaXrom on your desktop PC |
| 22:26.08 | kergoth | heh, i run OE built root filesystems on x86 in colinux and uml every day |
| 22:26.13 | TaZ | ho is it possible to rum pdaXrom on x86 ? |
| 22:26.22 | TaZ | someone had port it? |
| 22:26.28 | raduga | taz: sash ported it. |
| 22:26.32 | raduga | taz: ask him |
| 22:26.39 | TaZ | ok |
| 22:26.47 | TaZ | i don't know him... |
| 22:26.56 | TaZ | but he must be good :) |
| 22:27.16 | kergoth | recompile != "port" |
| 22:27.24 | TaZ | yes i'm agree |
| 22:29.59 | TaZ | ho no!! |
| 22:29.59 | TaZ | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=186 |
| 22:30.08 | TaZ | this link is bad :( |
| 22:34.56 | TaZ | . |
| 22:35.13 | TaZ | the ipk file are different on the zaurus 5500 and the 6000L ? |
| 22:36.10 | raduga | this may work (or not) |
| 22:36.12 | raduga | http://zaurus.spy.org/feeds/eilers/opie-keypebble_1.0.1.2-20031017_arm.ipk |
| 22:36.27 | raduga | taz: not significantly so |
| 22:36.58 | TaZ | oh thx!! :) |
| 22:37.02 | TaZ | this link works! |
| 22:37.38 | TaZ | why there are "opie" in the top of the name of the ipk file? |
| 22:40.14 | raduga | the links is fine. whether it will run on your machine or not, I really couldn't tell you. |
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| 22:40.34 | TaZ | oki |
| 22:40.57 | TaZ | but could you tell me what is it? => "eilers" |
| 22:41.00 | TaZ | please =) |
| 22:41.09 | raduga | taz: no. |
| 22:41.18 | subdue | google |
| 22:41.21 | raduga | taz: I believe it is the name of a person. |
| 22:41.30 | subdue | ipk name + ipk should do it |
| 22:41.33 | raduga | taz: absentia may know them, or maybe not. |
| 22:41.52 | TaZ | ok thx! |
| 22:41.54 | TaZ | :) |
| 22:42.09 | kergoth | yes, eilers is stefan's last name. he's an opie dev. |
| 22:42.28 | TaZ | kergoth what is opie? |
| 22:42.31 | TaZ | please |
| 22:42.38 | kergoth | http://opie.handhelds.org/ |
| 22:42.41 | TaZ | ok |
| 22:42.44 | kergoth | its one of the two GUIs available in openzaurus |
| 22:42.58 | TaZ | oh ok! |
| 22:43.18 | TaZ | so, opie ipk file don't work with the original sharpROM :( no? |
| 22:44.02 | kergoth | not likely. there are two ipk formats. sharp's package manager can only handle the old one |
| 22:44.17 | TaZ | ok =) |
| 22:46.31 | George | heya kergoth |
| 22:47.51 | subdue | a few can |
| 22:48.02 | raduga | though, opie-apps run on sharplike roms with the appropriate libs |
| 22:48.08 | raduga | (as subdue says, a few can) |
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| 22:48.35 | raduga | maybe the keypebble from cacko feed would be more likely to work |
| 22:48.40 | raduga | but maybe it also needs extra libs |
| 22:49.05 | raduga | but maybe we're just speculating, and TaZ needs to try things out for him/herself |
| 22:49.07 | TaZ | are there official "free software" for the sharpROM ? (ipk file who works 100% with the Zaurus SL-6000L) |
| 22:49.32 | raduga | taz: what do you mean by official free software? with Sharp's seal of approval? rms'? |
| 22:49.32 | TaZ | himself ;-) raduga |
| 22:49.55 | subdue1 | nothing is official. there are feeds that are fairly reliable out there |
| 22:49.56 | raduga | Sharp doesn't maintain a feed any longer. So, you're on your own |
| 22:49.59 | subdue1 | read ZUG |
| 22:50.08 | raduga | yes. read ZUG. |
| 22:50.37 | TaZ | ok |
| 22:51.01 | TaZ | the societe sharp doesn't devellop software for his zaurus? |
| 22:51.24 | TaZ | the company sharp doesn't devellop software for his zaurus? |
| 22:51.26 | TaZ | :) |
| 22:52.36 | subdue1 | one shouldn't expect end user things for a product positioned as a corporate tool like the 6000l |
| 22:53.36 | TaZ | :-D |
| 22:53.38 | TaZ | hihihi |
| 22:55.13 | raduga | expecting sharp to make end-user software for the zaurus, is like expecting ibm to make end-user software for the pc |
| 22:55.39 | raduga | in some ways, we're glad they don't. |
| 22:56.11 | TaZ | yes :) |
| 23:03.10 | raduga | hrm. |
| 23:03.23 | raduga | on the way to building seq24, |
| 23:04.01 | raduga | i've had to build: alsa, libsigc++, gtkmm |
| 23:04.14 | raduga | interestingly, none of them have thrown up any major roadblocks |
| 23:04.23 | raduga | i wonder if seq24 will actually build? |
| 23:09.43 | TaZ | bye all :) |
| 23:09.45 | TaZ | thanks! |
| 23:09.47 | TaZ | ++ |
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