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| 02:06.53 | enginuitor | Anyone around? |
| 02:07.58 | dipnlik | enginuitor: hi |
| 02:08.19 | enginuitor | dipnlik: hi |
| 02:08.36 | enginuitor | dipnlik: If you see the opie developers, give them a good kick in the rear for me :p |
| 02:09.25 | dipnlik | enginuitor: Why? |
| 02:09.58 | dipnlik | enginuitor: let's talk on #openzaurus |
| 02:10.04 | enginuitor | dipnlik: k |
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| 09:11.28 | raduga | woo hoo!!!! |
| 09:11.55 | raduga | er. |
| 09:13.03 | raduga | the one that I've been trying in vain to get working on the HP48 calculator, |
| 09:13.07 | raduga | various laptops, |
| 09:13.18 | raduga | palm pilot 1000, |
| 09:13.37 | raduga | palm Vx, |
| 09:13.45 | raduga | palm IIIc |
| 09:13.56 | raduga | psion 5mx |
| 09:14.03 | raduga | Jornada 720 (running wince) |
| 09:14.16 | raduga | Jornada 720 (running familiar) |
| 09:14.35 | raduga | pretty much every handheld or portable platform I've gotten my hands on |
| 09:14.41 | raduga | finally. |
| 09:15.37 | raduga | I've got a functional MIDI sequencer and notator!!! |
| 09:15.43 | raduga | in my pocket!! |
| 09:15.54 | raduga | i gather that you all aren't quite as excited as i am |
| 09:15.57 | raduga | oh well. |
| 09:16.13 | raduga | ibot: yay |
| 09:16.25 | raduga | ibot: thank you. for being my ibot. |
| 09:16.25 | ibot | pas de quoi, raduga |
| 09:16.48 | raduga | ibot: also thank you for listening. it's a skill that few humans seem to have mastered |
| 09:17.09 | raduga | (anyway) |
| 09:17.30 | raduga | rosegarden 2.1 needs some work, to really be useable |
| 09:17.58 | raduga | screen size settings are rather wack, for 640x480; must be awful on 240x320, but it appears to be fixable |
| 09:18.44 | raduga | worst thing, the widgets are really too small to work with at 640x480. fortunately I can zoom in to qvga and they're useable. |
| 09:18.55 | raduga | I *might* be able to just fix everything up nicely in Xresources |
| 09:19.03 | raduga | if not, the source isn't too scary |
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| 10:10.34 | kairi | raduga, you aren't using rosegarden, are you? I'd much rather use seq24 on something so small ;x |
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| 10:20.53 | dhr | raduga: how do you get midi out to the world? Serial port? |
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| 14:04.19 | TaZ | hello |
| 14:05.00 | TaZ | I would like to know if is it possible to make a dual boot on the Zaurus? :) (as, SharpROM AND OZ) |
| 14:05.58 | TaZ | lo' mickeyl |
| 14:07.11 | mickeyl | hi |
| 14:07.12 | mickeyl | no, it's not possible |
| 14:07.16 | mickeyl | we would need bootloader support for that |
| 14:07.23 | mickeyl | which we haven't |
| 14:08.03 | TaZ | ok thx! |
| 14:08.05 | TaZ | :) |
| 14:08.18 | TaZ | but if "we" port lilo....it's possible? |
| 14:26.36 | ViV | dual boot IS possible |
| 14:26.41 | TaZ | oh :) |
| 14:26.46 | TaZ | how? |
| 14:26.54 | ViV | search pdaxrom forum on ZUG for a howto |
| 14:27.37 | TaZ | ok thank :) |
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| 14:45.38 | TaZ | ViV what is ZUG ? |
| 14:46.22 | Foxdie | www.zaurususergroup.com |
| 14:46.35 | TaZ | ok :) |
| 14:46.37 | TaZ | thx |
| 14:49.41 | mickeyl | ViV: no it's not |
| 14:49.46 | mickeyl | dual boot != pivot root |
| 14:50.38 | mickeyl | TaZ:lilo is full of x86isms. one would need to port another open source arm bootloader. there are a couple of good ones already available, but it takes arm asm knowledge and JTAG equipment to do that. |
| 14:58.17 | TaZ | ok |
| 14:58.20 | TaZ | it's hard :( |
| 15:06.20 | TaZ | how to unpack ipk file on a PC? please |
| 15:06.58 | mickeyl | sharp compatible or newer ? |
| 15:07.02 | mickeyl | sharp is .tar.gz |
| 15:07.07 | mickeyl | newer is ar |
| 15:07.58 | TaZ | ok |
| 15:08.04 | TaZ | newer works on OZ only? |
| 15:09.42 | mickeyl | no, everywhere but sharp compatible roms |
| 15:09.52 | mickeyl | and for those you can download ipkg-new somewhere |
| 15:10.12 | TaZ | ok |
| 15:10.13 | TaZ | =) |
| 15:10.54 | TaZ | oh yes! i have a question: |
| 15:10.54 | TaZ | :) |
| 15:11.15 | TaZ | is it possible to "install" ipk file on the sharpROM original ? |
| 15:13.14 | mickeyl | yes. the package manager does nothing different than just calling ipkg |
| 15:13.26 | TaZ | ok |
| 15:14.12 | TaZ | and this package manager is already installed by default on sharpROM original ? |
| 15:14.43 | mickeyl | yes |
| 15:14.53 | TaZ | ok cool =) |
| 15:14.58 | TaZ | and is it easy to use? |
| 15:15.03 | mickeyl | pretty much |
| 15:15.05 | mickeyl | GUI |
| 15:15.13 | TaZ | yes! good :) |
| 15:15.27 | TaZ | thank you :) |
| 15:15.30 | mickeyl | np |
| 15:15.54 | TaZ | ;-) |
| 15:19.24 | TaZ | and "ar" is a program? (is it disponible on PC?) |
| 15:19.39 | TaZ | to test ipk file before upload them on Zaurus? |
| 15:20.27 | mickeyl | yes, ar is like tar, just a different archiver |
| 15:20.48 | TaZ | ok |
| 15:20.54 | TaZ | thanks |
| 15:21.05 | TaZ | i must say "thank" or "thanks" ? |
| 15:21.22 | mickeyl | thanks is correct |
| 15:21.24 | TaZ | (i'm french..) and my english level :-D |
| 15:21.28 | mickeyl | or "thank you" |
| 15:21.32 | TaZ | ok :) |
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| 15:33.13 | ViV | mickeyl, i haven't read that topic actually :) |
| 15:33.41 | ViV | i just remember that something about dualboot howto was claimed in it's title :) |
| 15:35.52 | TaZ | thx all :) |
| 15:35.56 | TaZ | see you.... |
| 15:35.56 | TaZ | bye |
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| 17:51.32 | l3m | is there a way to make the zaurus to start in either qt or console mode during start up? a key combo or so? |
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| 18:00.43 | raduga | what rom, l3m? |
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| 18:08.37 | George | FOOD |
| 18:08.39 | George | FOOOOOOOD |
| 18:17.03 | raduga | george: how many hours is CET off from GMT? |
| 18:17.20 | raduga | and, btw, i'm very happy for you, that you have food. |
| 18:17.24 | raduga | I have none. |
| 18:17.55 | George | raduga: no idea. |
| 18:18.00 | George | raduga: and no, I have no food. |
| 18:18.05 | George | raduga: what gave you the idea that I had food? |
| 18:18.44 | raduga | <George> FOOD |
| 18:18.44 | raduga | <George> FOOOOOOOD |
| 18:19.04 | raduga | perhaps, you were merely expressing a desire for food |
| 18:19.26 | raduga | unfortunately, zaurii are not eatable |
| 18:19.35 | raduga | SD cards are crunchy though |
| 18:19.50 | George | you mean edible? |
| 18:22.42 | kairi | don't forget the rich bitrot sauce |
| 18:25.20 | kairi | And good evening to you :) |
| 18:26.59 | l3m_ | raduga: rom..hm.. sl6000 |
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| 18:35.28 | l3m_ | arghl i need to get wlan to work in console mode..any ideas? ( stock SL6000 ) |
| 18:39.25 | dhr | raduga: how do you get midi out to the world from Z? Serial port? |
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| 20:22.57 | VladDrac | what's "/dev/rootcmd" on the zaurus? |
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| 20:52.20 | raduga | dhr: wlan |
| 20:52.38 | raduga | dhr: not using the Z for realtime midi control, |
| 20:52.47 | raduga | just for editing, composition |
| 20:53.47 | dhr | OK. Thought you might have a fancy solution. With 6000, USB midi should be possible. |
| 20:54.11 | raduga | yeah. also with CF-USB on anything else |
| 20:54.36 | dhr | but you'd loose the network. |
| 20:55.00 | raduga | unless you used a SD wlan card |
| 20:55.07 | ViV | the solution is usb hub :) |
| 20:55.18 | raduga | or a hub |
| 20:55.34 | dhr | SD wlan cards won't work with Z, will they |
| 20:55.42 | ViV | one of them works |
| 20:55.54 | ViV | it was discussed on ZUG |
| 20:56.32 | raduga | anyone else here use timidity? |
| 20:56.51 | ViV | i am, on my desktop :) |
| 20:57.02 | raduga | ViV: hrm. why do you need it on your desktop? |
| 20:57.12 | ViV | just for fun :) |
| 20:57.27 | ViV | i also have virtual midi keyboard installed :) |
| 20:57.33 | raduga | trying to see if there's any way to make it run faster on Z |
| 20:57.44 | raduga | as it is, there's about a 10 second delay at startup |
| 20:57.57 | raduga | this may be as good as it gets, on a pxa255 |
| 20:58.09 | raduga | but any optimizations would be nice (even at degraded sound quality) |
| 20:58.35 | ViV | can't give a tip :) |
| 21:04.29 | raduga | anyway... |
| 21:04.51 | raduga | rosegarden 2.1 is the only one I've managed to get to build and run so far. |
| 21:05.50 | raduga | most of the older sequencer/editors seem dependent on ALSA and hardwired midi hardware, and the newer ones use KDE, QT or other strange libraries |
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| 21:11.27 | raduga | dhr: some comments on Opera and OOM in here: |
| 21:11.29 | raduga | http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:XusbzbZYr6YJ:home.comcast.net/~cmisip/zaurus.htm+timidity+speed+optimization&hl=en |
| 21:11.38 | raduga | the original site is down, but google has it cached |
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| 21:58.18 | whitey | Hi all, I have a quick ?, my zaurus is on the way (got a sweet deal on a sl-5500 for $150) and I just need to know if I am supposed to be using the zImage_collie-32-32 for the "zImage" file? |
| 21:58.40 | whitey | or another one? |
| 22:00.37 | kergoth | which one you want is up to you |
| 22:00.41 | kergoth | read the install guide |
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| 22:07.20 | raduga | gah!! fooey! |
| 22:07.53 | raduga | it seems that tektracker, http://vektor.ca/audio/ttrk/ |
| 22:08.27 | raduga | while claiming to be a midi sequencer, and editor, only reads/writes its own proprietary song files |
| 22:12.45 | kairi | eww |
| 22:13.35 | kairi | seq24, seq24! |
| 22:14.50 | kairi | for the discerning electronic musician |
| 22:15.05 | raduga | kairi: needs alsa |
| 22:15.39 | raduga | kairi: and gtkmm |
| 22:15.58 | raduga | kairi: if you can build these for Zaurus, I'll run seq24 |
| 22:16.58 | kairi | It would be a dirty port, but a port to OSS wouldn't be so bad |
| 22:17.23 | kairi | but yeah. point taken, bleh |
| 22:17.55 | raduga | as I said unhappily earlier, |
| 22:18.24 | raduga | it appears that most *older* notators and sequencers are dependent on alsa or actual midi hardware devices |
| 22:18.48 | raduga | and most *newer* notators and sequencers use KDE/QT4/etc |
| 22:19.33 | whitey | I did read the openzaurus install guide and am pretty familiar w/ linux but they arent exactly crystal clear on which one to use. I see I have to have it add up to 64MB due to RAM but it never states which of the zImage_colie-32-32 48-16 or 64-0? |
| 22:19.57 | whitey | maybe I am just dont following so if someone could clear this up for me I would greatly appreciate it :) |
| 22:20.06 | kairi | I wonder how feasible running a GBA emulator would be |
| 22:20.12 | kairi | that is, with nanoloop |
| 22:20.14 | whitey | can I use any of them since they all add up to 64? |
| 22:20.16 | raduga | feasible, but slow |
| 22:20.35 | raduga | I've heard something like ~ 50-80% normal speed |
| 22:20.46 | whitey | this is all the guide says about it "Where X is the amount of RAM devoted to system memory, and Y (if applicable) is the amount of RAM devoted to storage space. X+Y should equal 64MB for SL5500 owners and 32MB for SL5000D owners." |
| 22:20.48 | kairi | Natively, even? |
| 22:20.52 | kairi | CPU-wise |
| 22:21.31 | raduga | the gba emulators, iirc, run at something slower than native speed on the Z |
| 22:21.37 | raduga | but are useable, rumor has it, even so |
| 22:21.52 | raduga | I could be misremembering, ZUG knows |
| 22:22.08 | raduga | whitey: you can use any of them |
| 22:22.46 | raduga | whitey: 64-0 is best if you have an external CF or SD flash card |
| 22:22.59 | whitey | awesome thanks "raduga", any advantages or better system performance by choosing one over the other? |
| 22:23.10 | whitey | nice thanks a ton! |
| 22:23.13 | raduga | if you don't have external flash media, you'll need to reserve some RAM for local storage |
| 22:23.24 | ChipX86 | flash media is so cheap now. Just buy some :) |
| 22:26.01 | VladDrac | anyone seen this before? my wlan works briefly (leds turn on), I have a very short connection, and then it goes dead |
| 22:26.09 | VladDrac | removing the card and reinserting -> same story again |
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| 22:39.45 | whitey | can the ambicom wl1100c-cfc card use the kismet and go into scanning mode (monitor mode) |
| 22:39.55 | whitey | or is a socket card better to go w/? |
| 22:40.07 | whitey | they both use the prism 2.5 chipset right? |
| 22:41.22 | whitey | and I take it since I am gonna be using the cf slot most of the time w/ my wireless cf card I will need to get a pretty beefy sd card to load my apps on? what is the max size sd card that works on these babies? |
| 22:42.03 | whitey | I have heard that a 1 gig card will not work adn that 512 may be the max, maybe i am wrong though |
| 22:42.24 | raduga | the most that I've seen people use is 4gb |
| 22:42.30 | raduga | so 1gb should be just fine |
| 22:42.44 | raduga | oh. SD? 1gb or 2gb |
| 22:42.54 | raduga | get the biggest one you can |
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| 22:53.41 | congrio | hi, my Z 600L has died today... but i don't know why... |
| 22:53.52 | congrio | sorry, sl-6000L |
| 22:54.13 | congrio | when press power button nothing happen |
| 22:54.23 | congrio | no light... no screen |
| 22:54.37 | merc | you pop the battery out and put it back in? |
| 22:54.42 | congrio | and if i plug to ac adapter occurs the same |
| 22:54.47 | congrio | yes merc |
| 22:54.54 | congrio | (sorry for my very bad english) |
| 22:56.43 | congrio | the problem is that i bought it in USA and now, i am in Spain |
| 22:56.44 | congrio | :( |
| 22:57.15 | congrio | i don't know what can i do. |
| 22:57.45 | merc | neither do i, have you looked on the forums? |
| 22:58.11 | congrio | yes, but... nothing.. |
| 23:07.09 | whitey | so any word on whether or not the Ambicom CF card will work w/ kismet or wellenreiter? or go into (mopnitor mode at all) (sp) |
| 23:07.30 | Pendalar | it works with wellenreiter |
| 23:07.45 | Pendalar | as far as I can tell, not much around aside from my own access point to find |
| 23:07.48 | whitey | and that is w/ the ambicom WL1100C-CFC? |
| 23:07.55 | Pendalar | haven't tried kismet |
| 23:08.05 | whitey | awesome thanks for the info |
| 23:08.21 | Pendalar | I would try but my touchscreen is broken |
| 23:08.44 | Pendalar | and I can't calibrate it to get past the Welcome to Opie screen =-s |
| 23:08.51 | Pendalar | I might fake it with some ts.conf or whatever |
| 23:08.58 | Pendalar | then VNC to it |
| 23:09.26 | Pendalar | not sure why but VNC as is doesn't take taps with my screen being broken |
| 23:09.56 | Pendalar | er not ts.conf |
| 23:10.06 | Pendalar | wrong file.. whichever one that holds the calibration info |
| 23:10.15 | Pendalar | ts?.conf |
| 23:18.07 | raduga | congrio: if you connect the AC, do you see any charging occur? |
| 23:18.17 | raduga | does the LED light to show that it should be charging? |
| 23:18.17 | kergoth | calibration is /etc/pointercal |
| 23:18.38 | whitey | rm /etc/pointercal_tslib |
| 23:18.41 | whitey | adn reboot Z |
| 23:19.00 | Pendalar | I don't have pointercal_tslib |
| 23:19.14 | Pendalar | and removing won't help really, I have to fake it into thinking it's been calibrated |
| 23:19.17 | Pendalar | as the TS is broken |
| 23:19.24 | Pendalar | kergoth how many values should be in pointercal? |
| 23:19.35 | kergoth | i dont remember |
| 23:19.49 | Pendalar | whitey could you paste your /etc/pointercal to me? |
| 23:19.51 | Pendalar | ;-) |
| 23:19.52 | kergoth | the last # is 65535 or something, which is the scaling factor |
| 23:20.10 | Pendalar | can't wait til tax return and get either a c860 or c3000 |
| 23:20.25 | Pendalar | does anyone on the OZ dev. group have a c3000? |
| 23:20.27 | whitey | hahah sorry i just got that info off the zaurususergroup.com FAQ ...mine is in the mail on the way to me |
| 23:20.35 | Pendalar | oh =-{ |
| 23:21.44 | raduga | pendalar: maybe you could buy one for the OZ team? |
| 23:22.11 | Pendalar | heh yeah and I'll let you tell my wife that |
| 23:22.31 | Pendalar | she's not all that happy about killing $600-700 in the first place |
| 23:22.46 | Pendalar | oh honey, I decided I'd buy 2 =-) and .. heh give one away! |
| 23:22.53 | Pendalar | I'd never find my left nut |
| 23:23.21 | whitey | I bet lol |
| 23:23.33 | *** part/#zaurus whitey (~whitey@c-24-8-142-216.client.comcast.net) |
| 23:36.37 | gerrynjr | hehe... that'll be the day... |
| 23:36.50 | gerrynjr | never will any lady, chick, women, etc... take my left nut away |
| 23:44.31 | raduga | what about your right? |