| 00:06.20 | *** join/#zaurus edward (~edward@hades.robster.org.uk) |
| 01:25.20 | *** join/#zaurus Aan (TiotTiot89@CPE-65-25-254-130.mn.rr.com) |
| 01:26.16 | Aan | Hi. Does anyone remember the name of project where you can run entire x11 from SD/CF? Thanks. |
| 01:33.37 | [anonuk] | aan: pocketworkstation.org |
| 01:33.41 | Aan | oh.. thanks. :D |
| 01:33.50 | [anonuk] | np |
| 01:34.01 | Aan | just got a 6000L for 390$ off Amazon.. playing with it now.. |
| 01:34.15 | kergoth | try oz on it yet? :) |
| 01:34.19 | kergoth | </shameless plug> |
| 01:34.19 | Aan | I find it painfully slow though (compared to T3).. |
| 01:34.20 | Aan | not yet.. |
| 01:34.26 | Aan | kinda scard to flash just yet. :D |
| 01:34.46 | Aan | though it seems they released a 6000L compat. one yesterday... |
| 01:34.53 | kergoth | i had mine at an OZ login prompt a couple hours after i got it. |
| 01:35.01 | kergoth | but i'm not your average user either |
| 01:35.23 | subdue | um ... the 390 was probably from a pvt seller? |
| 01:35.26 | Aan | i c.. is it faster than the default? |
| 01:35.36 | Aan | no.. it was from the amazon.... |
| 01:35.47 | subdue | I dont recall it being exactly $390 in price |
| 01:35.49 | Aan | it was until supplies last.. i think amazon cleared out on it.. |
| 01:35.50 | kergoth | subdue: amazon was clearancing the last of their stock. |
| 01:35.58 | subdue | yes, but wasn't it 375? |
| 01:36.00 | kergoth | it dropped to that on a couple occasions |
| 01:36.10 | Aan | last time, it was like 400 then 450 then 450 with SD card, then back to 500 then back to 390.. then no more. |
| 01:36.15 | subdue | ah well. not impt |
| 01:36.26 | subdue | I may have remembered wrongly |
| 01:36.32 | subdue | it's all gone now anyway |
| 01:36.42 | Aan | subdue, you might be right.. something like 380ish. |
| 01:36.51 | kergoth | Aan: yes, it should perform quite a bit better. |
| 01:37.03 | kergoth | Aan: OZ uses software floating point and a recent compiler, which speeds things up a bit |
| 01:37.36 | subdue | kergoth: how goes 3.5.2? |
| 01:37.43 | kergoth | subdue: it released. |
| 01:37.48 | kergoth | we're busy at work on the next one |
| 01:37.54 | subdue | cool |
| 01:37.55 | kergoth | response to it so far is pretty good |
| 01:38.40 | kergoth | http://hyperion.kergoth.com/dl/sshot2.png is GPE under oz 3.5.2 on my sl6000 |
| 01:38.59 | kergoth | http://hyperion.kergoth.com/dl/sshot5.png .. etc |
| 01:39.02 | Aan | is it possible to totally brick zaurus? |
| 01:39.11 | kergoth | Aan: nope. |
| 01:39.13 | Aan | or does it have hardware independent rom recovery like T3? |
| 01:39.24 | kergoth | the bootloader and diagnostics are in EEPROM |
| 01:39.29 | kergoth | cant be touched |
| 01:39.34 | Aan | awesome.. :D |
| 01:39.58 | subdue | nice |
| 01:40.25 | Aan | the screen looks pretty nice.. |
| 01:40.41 | kergoth | the lcd on the sl6k is definately impressive |
| 01:41.04 | subdue | is the ipk via gui coming along? |
| 01:41.18 | subdue | or not a priority? |
| 01:41.31 | kergoth | the opie devs are working on it |
| 01:41.37 | kergoth | dunno the status of the gpe one |
| 01:41.37 | subdue | ok |
| 01:42.01 | Aan | btw, it's normal for me to see bunch of dots.. like polka dots? |
| 01:42.11 | Aan | they are very visible on white background.. |
| 01:42.13 | subdue | I'd be curious to know what the sharp rom has that oe doesnt have yet |
| 01:42.22 | subdue | oz |
| 01:42.51 | subdue | is there a list somewhere perhaps? |
| 01:43.11 | subdue | heh ... the xirssi screen looks good enough to scroll |
| 01:43.12 | kergoth | cant think of anything |
| 01:43.19 | kergoth | except perhaps file sharing with windows, samba bits |
| 01:43.24 | subdue | except the ipk, right? |
| 01:43.28 | kergoth | subdue: xirssi is definately useful |
| 01:43.36 | Aan | hancom? |
| 01:43.40 | kergoth | those are a given. |
| 01:43.43 | subdue | I have irssi running, but not xirssi |
| 01:43.46 | kergoth | oz doesnt have and never will have commercial apps |
| 01:44.00 | kergoth | subdue: i added irssi and xirssi both from cvs to OE just a day or two ago |
| 01:44.07 | subdue | ah |
| 01:44.15 | Pendalar | updated the feed again |
| 01:44.24 | Pendalar | but the web dev should use non hard links ;-) |
| 01:44.25 | subdue | no chance of hancom stuff running? esp since we do own a license for it |
| 01:44.56 | kergoth | subdue: they run if you use oz-compat. |
| 01:45.05 | subdue | ok |
| 01:45.12 | kergoth | subdue: but the ones that use floating point (like hancom sheet) will not behave correctly due to OZ using software floating point. |
| 01:45.28 | subdue | hmm... interesting. ok |
| 01:46.16 | kergoth | so far my build of every package OE knows how to build has emitted 5,558 ipk files |
| 01:46.25 | subdue | nice |
| 01:46.43 | Aan | do I need a swap space? |
| 01:46.53 | subdue | I think gpsdrive is probably one of the more compelling reasons to go in the OZ direction for me |
| 01:46.54 | kergoth | you really really dont want to swap. |
| 01:46.58 | Aan | kergoth, oh.. |
| 01:46.59 | kergoth | swap on flash will wear it out rapidly |
| 01:47.30 | Aan | i read this sandisk article that abusing the flash like that would wear the flash in about two years.. |
| 01:47.41 | subdue | that and kstars |
| 01:47.57 | Aan | that doesn't seem too bad.. though I bought an el cheapo 512MD sd card which I realize is very slow.. :( |
| 01:47.58 | kergoth | you dont need swap |
| 01:48.02 | Aan | ic.. thanks. |
| 01:48.05 | kergoth | nothing you do is going to require it |
| 01:48.12 | kergoth | and using it wears your card out unnecessarily |
| 01:48.31 | Aan | So, I can stream shoutcast using xmss on the background, while chatting on IRC using zaurus? |
| 01:48.41 | subdue | kergoth: I'm waiting for them to lower the sled price |
| 01:49.12 | Aan | i originally had 5500 which I returned due to horrible battery.. though it seems 6000 has much better battery. |
| 01:49.15 | kergoth | that sled is a beast. i dunno if i really need a second cf slot myself |
| 01:49.24 | kergoth | Aan: yes, you can |
| 01:49.34 | Aan | but compared to Palm t3, it's horrendously huge... and I am afraid to use it for pda functions outside of home. |
| 01:49.38 | subdue | it's more for the battery than anything else |
| 01:49.46 | kergoth | yeah, the 6k is definately massive |
| 01:49.58 | kergoth | the usb host is a nice value add though |
| 01:50.05 | subdue | dunno how we're supposed to charge a second battery |
| 01:50.10 | Aan | but it's only USB 1.1 though, right? |
| 01:50.18 | kergoth | subdue: the battery driver knows how to charge it |
| 01:50.24 | kergoth | read it the other day |
| 01:50.29 | subdue | Aan: who cares? it's a host adapter, which is the most impt think |
| 01:50.44 | subdue | kergoth: I meant if I just bought a second battery |
| 01:50.45 | Aan | subdue, if it's like Palm, it'll charge the pda first then the sled..you should be able to stack it together using one stand? I hope.. |
| 01:51.07 | subdue | vs the sled |
| 01:51.22 | Aan | what's the best ebook reader? trying a couple but they seem lacking... |
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| 01:51.34 | subdue | unless the battery comes with a charger |
| 01:51.54 | kergoth | Aan: it is usb 2.0. |
| 01:52.14 | kergoth | subdue: ah, no, i expect you'd have to just charge it in the device, unless sharp sells a seperate charger |
| 01:52.39 | Aan | kergoth, usb 2.0 for host? thanks. |
| 01:52.58 | kergoth | yep |
| 01:53.17 | Aan | awesome..... |
| 01:53.18 | Aan | :D |
| 01:53.26 | subdue | (which I've never seen sold anywhere yet) |
| 01:53.31 | Aan | btw, does anyone know a good plucker-like program for zaurus? |
| 01:53.52 | kergoth | GPE includes a plucker app. never used it, i dont generally use ebooks myself |
| 01:54.02 | Aan | oh.. thanks.. |
| 02:47.27 | *** join/#zaurus Tiotiot2 (TiotTiot89@CPE-65-25-254-130.mn.rr.com) |
| 02:53.16 | Tiotiot2 | Hmm... I am trying to install the newest Openzaurus on 6000L.. |
| 02:53.26 | kergoth | rename the .data file in question to updater.data |
| 02:53.30 | kergoth | put updater.data and updater.sh on the card |
| 02:53.38 | kergoth | hit full reset, then hold OK while you press power |
| 02:53.47 | kergoth | go to update, choose sd or cf, then you're in our installer |
| 02:53.51 | kergoth | self explanatory from there |
| 02:53.55 | Tiotiot2 | kergoth, thanks~! |
| 02:53.58 | kergoth | np |
| 02:54.23 | Aan2 | kergoth, btw, if I do the backup in sharprom, I should be able to restore, right? |
| 02:54.50 | kergoth | not likely. better off using some sort of sync with your desktop |
| 02:55.09 | Aan2 | i mean, original rom... is there a way backup and restore just in case? |
| 02:55.17 | kergoth | you can find it online |
| 02:55.21 | Aan2 | ok.. |
| 02:55.24 | kergoth | i have a full nand backup of the sharp rom myself if you need it |
| 02:55.45 | Aan2 | awesome.. btw, do I need bootstrap-image, zImage,bin, etc? |
| 02:55.54 | kergoth | bootstrap-image is console only |
| 02:56.00 | kergoth | oh, you mean comopnents? |
| 02:56.05 | kergoth | no, those are the pieces that make up the .data files |
| 02:56.10 | Aan2 | i c.. |
| 02:56.13 | kergoth | just in case someone wants them |
| 02:56.18 | kergoth | you trying gpe or opie? |
| 02:56.20 | Aan2 | so I need either gpe.data or opei.data then sh. |
| 02:56.22 | kergoth | i recommend trying both |
| 02:56.27 | Aan2 | I will.. :D |
| 02:56.34 | kergoth | :) |
| 02:56.57 | kergoth | suspend/resume can be quirky atm, and wireless setup (i.e. your keys) needs to be done in a configuration file, not through the gui |
| 02:56.58 | Aan2 | thanks.. :D. |
| 02:57.03 | kergoth | other than that, the support isnt bad at the moment |
| 02:57.06 | kergoth | the wireless does work |
| 02:57.07 | Aan2 | oh... |
| 02:57.19 | Aan2 | what happened to all the documentations? |
| 02:57.23 | kergoth | i can walk you through setting up the wireless for your ap |
| 02:57.25 | kergoth | our site is down |
| 02:57.28 | Aan2 | ic.. |
| 02:57.39 | kergoth | most of the docs are in the wiki on openembedded.org |
| 02:57.52 | kergoth | which is hosted by the folks over at handhelds.org, and thats down |
| 02:58.07 | Aan2 | ah... |
| 02:59.05 | Aan2 | i know very little about linux (some CLI, how to compile kernel, etc), but I bought zaurus as a stress free way to learn linux (hopefully).. |
| 03:08.39 | Aan2 | Hmm, trying to fdisk SDcard on zaurus, but no fdisk? |
| 03:08.52 | kergoth | gpe or opie? |
| 03:08.57 | Aan2 | sharprom. |
| 03:09.08 | kergoth | sharp probably didnt incldue it |
| 03:09.13 | kergoth | try to find an ipk |
