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| 00:11.53 | aTypical | Is anyone here syncing a 6000 with Fedora Core 3? |
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| 00:41.12 | orangey | hey guys! |
| 00:41.45 | orangey | So, I know that a zaurus can emulate Palm OS (with QPose) |
| 00:41.51 | orangey | but can it emulate pocket pc? |
| 00:42.04 | orangey | or does the fact o.z. can run wine mean that it de facto can? |
| 00:42.19 | absentia | what is your goal ? |
| 00:42.40 | orangey | I'm just trying to assess its capabilities.. |
| 00:42.46 | orangey | however, the overall goal is to run medical software |
| 00:42.52 | absentia | it's not so great at being a pc |
| 00:43.03 | orangey | abstentia: How do you mean? |
| 00:43.03 | absentia | although, it can run dosbox, bochs, etc. speed does become an issue. |
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| 00:43.15 | absentia | it's linux based, primarily... there isn't ce for it, etc. |
| 00:43.35 | orangey | OK, I understand.. but the guy running epocrates (palm OS) via an emulator thought it ran at a decent speed. |
| 00:43.38 | absentia | just about anything you can do on and with linux and 64mb ram, you can do on the z.... cpu speed provided... |
| 00:43.59 | absentia | I don't have experience with qpose. I've heard it can be slow/painful. |
| 00:44.20 | orangey | OK. is there CE emulation for a linux with 64 RAM? or a linux at all? : ) |
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| 00:44.40 | aTypical | orangey, can I ask why you would want that? |
| 00:45.23 | orangey | aTypical: I don't particularly.. I'm just trying to assess its capabilities. |
| 00:46.03 | aTypical | I'm not sure I understand. You want to assess its capabilities by trying to make it a PocketPC device? |
| 00:46.43 | orangey | aTypical: I want to know if I get one whether or not I should rule out Pocket PC capabilities.. |
| 00:46.58 | orangey | If I should rule it out, then I would hunt around to see if there's anything "must have" that is PPC only.. |
| 00:47.07 | orangey | in which case it may be a show stopper.. |
| 00:47.07 | absentia | rule it out |
| 00:47.11 | orangey | lots of assumptions, of course : ) |
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| 00:47.18 | orangey | absentia: OK.. and wine? |
| 00:47.22 | absentia | no wine |
| 00:47.27 | absentia | no qemu |
| 00:47.31 | absentia | bochs is painful |
| 00:47.58 | orangey | bochs is the windows emulation? |
| 00:48.06 | absentia | no |
| 00:48.09 | absentia | x86 |
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| 00:49.19 | orangey | aaah. I see. |
| 00:49.33 | orangey | Also, I've read about thin client capabilities.. |
| 00:49.45 | kendzaur | re from a kinkos |
| 00:49.46 | orangey | are there only specific zauruses that I can "plug in" to my monitor? : ) |
| 00:50.01 | kendzaur | uhh... monitor? |
| 00:50.20 | absentia | yes, any of them |
| 00:50.27 | absentia | you can get an svga out cf |
| 00:50.33 | absentia | why would you want to do that? who knows. |
| 00:50.50 | orangey | abstentia: I read an article about a dude who uses his zaurus as a thin client : ) I thought it would be nice. |
| 00:50.59 | absentia | oh |
| 00:51.08 | absentia | perhaps. probably not the best use of it |
| 00:51.42 | orangey | but how would that work? He'd have to have two CF cards to get wireless + vga out, no? |
| 00:51.53 | orangey | or the 5600's built in wireless + CF VGA out? |
| 00:52.00 | absentia | could use usbnet... but I don't want to think about it |
| 00:52.05 | absentia | since it's not the best use |
| 00:52.05 | orangey | with raises the question: What of the keyboard and mouse? |
| 00:52.07 | kendzaur | 6000 has built in wireless |
| 00:52.11 | absentia | also, I think the 6000 has a sleeve that gives you a second cf |
| 00:52.17 | absentia | or he has a model that has built in wifi |
| 00:52.28 | absentia | clamshell keyboard is great |
| 00:52.30 | kergoth | yes, it does have a sleeve available |
| 00:52.35 | kendzaur | vga out on z would rock for slide presentations (hook up to projector) |
| 00:52.39 | kergoth | dunno what you'd need a second cf for, but its there |
| 00:52.49 | kendzaur | woah |
| 00:52.52 | absentia | yes, that's what it's for, I think |
| 00:52.53 | orangey | kergoth: Any ideas about how to make it a thin client? |
| 00:52.54 | absentia | slide presentations. |
| 00:52.56 | kendzaur | kerg, what're these? |
| 00:53.04 | orangey | kergoth: Presumably this guy is using o.z. |
| 00:53.05 | kergoth | "make it a thin client" is rather vague. |
| 00:53.17 | absentia | it's not really a thin client |
| 00:53.19 | kendzaur | <kergoth> 5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:c29 PRIVMSG #zaurus :"make it a thin client" is rather vague. |
| 00:53.22 | absentia | it's a "small" footprint client |
| 00:53.24 | orangey | kergoth: Moment while I look up the article.. Cringely mentioned it.. |
| 00:53.35 | kendzaur | err irc |
| 00:53.39 | kergoth | kendzaur: hehe. opie-irc needs work |
| 00:53.47 | orangey | There we go: |
| 00:53.48 | orangey | http://www.snt.utwente.nl/wiki/tiki-view_cache.php?url=http://www.pbs.org%2Fcringely%2Fpulpit%2Fpulpit20040930.html |
| 00:53.52 | kergoth | i should add irssi to oe so we can an ipk |
| 00:54.02 | orangey | shoot.. well, the PBS link works fine too.. |
| 00:54.07 | orangey | in any case, it's on a cradle, it says. |
| 00:54.26 | kendzaur | neat |
| 00:54.48 | absentia | cradle = power and potential usbnet |
| 00:54.57 | orangey | What's a usbnet? |
| 00:55.04 | absentia | a pita |
| 00:55.39 | kendzaur | hehehhe |
| 00:55.45 | kergoth | so true |
| 00:55.53 | kendzaur | kerg, seriously |
| 00:55.54 | kergoth | actually, usbd on the Z side is the larger pain in the ass |
| 00:57.00 | kendzaur | how are you talking in this chan? |
| 00:57.00 | kendzaur | it looks bizarre in my client |
| 00:57.07 | absentia | I wonder what type of clustering we could get going on the Z |
| 00:57.08 | kergoth | just normally |
| 00:57.12 | absentia | mini cluster :-) |
| 00:57.17 | kergoth | not using /msg or anything |
| 00:57.24 | kergoth | could be irssi doing it behind my back |
| 00:57.29 | kergoth | opie-irc needs to suck less |
| 00:57.29 | kendzaur | what client you using? |
| 00:57.30 | absentia | ker: looks normal here |
| 00:57.34 | kendzaur | hahah |
| 00:57.38 | absentia | he could be desynched |
| 00:57.44 | kergoth | thats true |
| 00:57.59 | kendzaur | hm? |
| 01:00.29 | orangey | alright, dudes.. thanks for the info. |
| 01:00.35 | orangey | I'll talk to you soon : ) |
| 01:00.41 | orangey | oh, wait.. |
| 01:00.43 | kendzaur | cya |
| 01:00.46 | absentia | man, talk about a disaster area. |
| 01:00.48 | absentia | later |
| 01:00.52 | orangey | if he was using a usbnet, how does he get the keyboard on it? |
| 01:01.15 | absentia | ir? |
| 01:01.26 | orangey | and what debian is this guy running? |
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| 01:01.27 | absentia | hold on |
| 01:01.33 | absentia | my dns is down |
| 01:02.39 | absentia | zaurus.spy.org/images/thesetup.jpg |
| 01:03.13 | kendzaur | ok off to dinner! |
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| 01:03.29 | absentia | what is thie link |
| 01:03.37 | absentia | IO'll have to reboot to get dns in thie vpc |
| 01:03.42 | absentia | is it the latest pulpit? |
| 01:04.20 | orangey | absentia, great : ) |
| 01:04.24 | orangey | that's an IR keyboard? |
| 01:04.28 | absentia | let me switch to irc outside of this vpc |
| 01:04.30 | absentia | hold |
| 01:04.48 | absentia | ok |
| 01:04.53 | absentia | sept 30, 2004... |
| 01:04.56 | orangey | absentia, and what is that? |
| 01:04.58 | absentia | zaurus 6000 |
| 01:06.35 | absentia | isn't sharp's linux debian based? |
| 01:06.41 | absentia | isn't the same with oz and pdaxrom? |
| 01:06.53 | absentia | I am not familiar with which roms run on the 6000, but I know it's not pdaxrom |
| 01:07.18 | absentia | and if it's not sharp, I'd guess oz.... but not sure if oz supports 6000 native (yet) ... if not, then it's pocketworkstation zdebian |
| 01:07.46 | orangey | absentia: that's a 6000 in that picture?? |
| 01:07.58 | orangey | I thought the 6000 wasn't a clamshell |
| 01:08.03 | orangey | my head hurts.. |
| 01:08.09 | absentia | it iosn't a clamshell |
| 01:08.14 | absentia | I haven't finished the article yet |
| 01:08.32 | absentia | where's the pic ? |
| 01:08.42 | orangey | that pick you posted.. |
| 01:08.49 | orangey | zaurus.spy.org/images/thesetup.jpg |
| 01:09.05 | absentia | oh |
| 01:09.13 | absentia | that's someone ele's setup |
| 01:09.15 | absentia | I think that was a 700 |
| 01:09.33 | absentia | want to see my setup? do you have a lot of bandwidth? |
| 01:09.38 | orangey | sure. |
| 01:10.09 | absentia | http://www.spy.org/geek/img_2351.jpg |
| 01:11.55 | orangey | and what are those guys? |
| 01:12.16 | absentia | 760 760 and 700 |
| 01:12.48 | absentia | I should probably link to that cringley on www.zaurususergroup.com ... just to let people know... perhaps it already is linked. not sure. |
| 01:13.37 | absentia | I don't see anything spectacular in that article.. concerning the zaurus |
| 01:15.16 | orangey | the thin client isn't "spectacular"? |
| 01:15.43 | absentia | no |
| 01:15.48 | absentia | I think cringley is overhypiing it |
| 01:15.49 | orangey | then how's it done? |
| 01:15.54 | absentia | so, you don't have a zaurus ? |
| 01:15.57 | orangey | nope. |
| 01:15.58 | absentia | but you're thinking about getting one ? |
| 01:16.05 | orangey | i am almost definitely getting one.. |
| 01:16.12 | absentia | what do you want to do with it? |
| 01:16.15 | orangey | I'm a 100% linux man in every other aspect of my life. |
| 01:16.16 | absentia | which model are you looking into getting? |
| 01:16.22 | orangey | I want it to replace dead trees for medical texts. |
| 01:16.23 | absentia | ok, that's 90% of the battle. |
| 01:16.27 | absentia | yes |
| 01:16.28 | orangey | I was thinking of one of those clamshells. |
| 01:16.38 | absentia | 640x480 is nice.... but it's still a tiny screen |
| 01:16.50 | absentia | ok, 860 ... is probably your best bet. |
| 01:17.01 | absentia | look at mine: |
| 01:17.01 | orangey | but whatever it is, I would *like* it to extend into other aspects of my life, such as the thinclienting, or browsing. |
| 01:17.24 | orangey | you don't have an 860 though.. right? |
| 01:17.24 | absentia | http://zaurus.spy.org/screenshots/scottyelich/pdaXrom/jpg/df3.jpg |
| 01:17.35 | absentia | http://zaurus.spy.org/screenshots/scottyelich/pdaXrom/jpg/base3.jpg |
| 01:17.45 | absentia | nice array of browsing capability there. |
| 01:17.59 | absentia | 760 is roughly the same. I don't use usb host. |
| 01:18.30 | orangey | what is usb host? |
| 01:18.33 | absentia | browsing is fine... full screen browsing with qt + opera ... is really nice |
| 01:18.44 | absentia | altough I use pdaxrom now (www.pdaxrom.org) and prefer firefox. |
| 01:18.54 | absentia | usbhost = diff between 760 and 860 |
| 01:19.15 | absentia | but I think it's mostly cosmetic... since I thought I heard that people could run the same code on the 760 and get it to work, but don't quote me on that. |
| 01:19.45 | orangey | and how does Sharp pulling out of NA affect my ability to get a hold of this today and in ~ 4-5 months? |
| 01:20.11 | absentia | for the 860? doesn't affect you at all. |
| 01:20.22 | absentia | 700/750/760/860 were never in NA |
| 01:21.20 | orangey | and how did you get a hold of them? |
| 01:21.36 | absentia | http://zaurus.spy.org/#PURCHASE |
| 01:22.09 | absentia | people talk of dynamism (where I get all mine), conics, brando@hk .. etc. |
| 01:22.16 | absentia | YMMV |
| 01:23.18 | orangey | dynamism, eh? |
| 01:23.24 | orangey | and ebay? |
| 01:23.36 | absentia | never used ebay |
| 01:25.48 | orangey | alright.. back to me studies.. see you soon |
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