| 00:08.18 | *** join/#zaurus fedivh (~fedivh@r200-40-222-13-dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) |
| 00:08.21 | fedivh | hi |
| 00:08.46 | fedivh | someone there? |
| 00:09.08 | SuN | Do you come here just to ask if there are people? |
| 00:09.13 | fedivh | :) |
| 00:09.14 | fedivh | no |
| 00:09.29 | fedivh | I want to ask about a price of a SL5500 |
| 00:09.38 | SuN | Then do it :) |
| 00:10.24 | fedivh | Is it ok: 110 U$S for a Zaurus SL5500 without anything else, but I have to give a Palm m505 appart of the money...is that ok? |
| 00:12.13 | SuN | Doesn't seem unfair, if the SL5500 is in good condition. |
| 00:12.23 | SuN | The m505 is a dragonball-based color Palm, right? |
| 00:12.48 | fedivh | jep, right |
| 00:12.58 | fedivh | the SL5500 seems to be in good conditions |
| 00:13.06 | fedivh | 2 hours battery life with games |
| 00:14.24 | SuN | Personally I wouldn't pay more than $30 for that Palm, which would make the real price about $140, that's not bad at all I guess. |
| 00:14.54 | fedivh | yeah, and you are from the USA? |
| 00:15.26 | fedivh | I am from uruguay :) here it is even more expensive, so it will be fine...I am just thinking weather I will use it or not... |
| 00:15.35 | SuN | Nope, but I monitor the US prices :) |
| 00:15.46 | fedivh | hehe |
| 00:15.50 | fedivh | from where are you? |
| 00:15.57 | SuN | The Netherlands, Europe. |
| 00:16.03 | fedivh | ah, yeah |
| 00:16.37 | SuN | THe price is even better if you consider it's international... I know from experience it's even harder to get a good deal if you're not from the same country. |
| 00:16.49 | SuN | Whether you'll use it or not is up to you :) |
| 00:17.14 | fedivh | yeah, in uruguay its the only one I could find |
| 00:17.37 | fedivh | and in germany, (I am german ;) ) I couldnt find more then 5 to 7 either! |
| 00:17.58 | SuN | I got mine from the UK, but at that time Germany had quite a few too. |
| 00:18.16 | SuN | They're all the SL5500G-variant though, with azerty keyboard. |
| 00:18.22 | SuN | But I guess you're used to that :) |
| 00:19.08 | fedivh | yeah :) |
| 00:19.23 | SuN | Occasionally there's one listed in NL, but always horribly overpriced. |
| 00:20.16 | fedivh | yeah, so its a pretty good price for uruguay and if there is only one expemplar |
| 00:20.26 | SuN | I'd go for it if I were you. |
| 00:21.12 | fedivh | yeah, I just dont know if I need it ;) |
| 00:21.27 | fedivh | for MP3 yes |
| 00:21.35 | fedivh | but anything else? maybe mails sometimes... |
| 00:21.37 | SuN | Damnit, there's an SL-C860 listed in NL, first one I ever saw... and of course it shows up a few days after I ordered my 860 from Japan. |
| 00:21.55 | SuN | I used to have an SL5500, I used it a lot for emu gaming and browsing. |
| 00:22.28 | fedivh | aha, but do you have any contras to the SL5500? |
| 00:22.56 | SuN | Battery life is somewhat short... but that's just about the only thing I can think of. |
| 00:23.19 | SuN | I sold it so I could get a simpad, which has an 800x600 screen, more comfortable for webbrowsing. |
| 00:23.27 | SuN | But I somewhat regret selling it. |
| 00:23.35 | SuN | That's why I'm getting the C860 :) |
| 00:24.08 | fedivh | but is it right that you have much more freedom with a zaurus than with a wince or palm device? |
| 00:24.15 | SuN | Definitely. |
| 00:24.31 | SuN | It's extremely hackable if you know your way around Linux. |
| 00:24.57 | fedivh | aha, you can install any programm that works under Linux, cant you? obvisuly depending on the MHz and RAM system requeriments |
| 00:25.53 | jalex | ya sure |
| 00:25.55 | SuN | If you choose the right rom... the Qtopia/Opie roms are a little more restricted because they have to be ported, but if you choose an x-compatible rom you can port any x app. |
| 00:25.58 | fedivh | great |
| 00:26.09 | SuN | And most console apps are already ported or are easy to port. |
| 00:26.18 | fedivh | like what? (x-compatible-rom?) |
| 00:26.18 | kergoth | crosscompiling is NOT PORTING |
| 00:26.20 | NeoTron | kendrick2, I am always here :P |
| 00:26.33 | kergoth | fedivh: the OZ gpe-image and pdaxrom both use X |
| 00:26.55 | fedivh | kergoth: but pdaxrom wont work with a SL5500, will it? |
| 00:27.03 | kergoth | not that i'm aware of |
| 00:27.17 | fedivh | well, great |
| 00:27.29 | SuN | Well some apps would need porting anyway. |
| 00:27.35 | kergoth | so for x, OZ is basically your only option |
| 00:27.35 | fedivh | but tell me, 2 hours battery life is a good condition? or already used much? |
| 00:27.43 | SuN | But a lot can just be crosscompiled. |
| 00:27.57 | SuN | 2 hours is pretty much standard on the SL5500 I guess. |
| 00:28.04 | kergoth | right. if you need to rework an X app to work properly on a small display, thats a port |
| 00:28.08 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:28.12 | fedivh | wow, so its in a good condition? |
| 00:28.19 | SuN | You might be able to stretch it a bit if you turn down the backlight a bit. |
| 00:28.28 | fedivh | and what about the display comparing with a palm m505? |
| 00:28.54 | SuN | For starters, the resolution is much higher... and I thought the screen on the SL5500 was pretty sweet. |
| 00:29.17 | fedivh | but is it also bigger? |
| 00:29.44 | SuN | Also, it's transflective, so you can turn off the backlight and change the angle a bit, and see the screen perfectly in direct sunlight. |
| 00:30.00 | fedivh | great |
| 00:30.05 | SuN | I have no idea how big the screen on an m505 is. |
| 00:30.11 | fedivh | so you can just criticise the battery life? |
| 00:30.18 | SuN | Yeah |
| 00:30.28 | fedivh | on a m505? I think 3,5" but I really dont know |
| 00:30.54 | SuN | Well if you want a really neat machine, get an SL-C860, but we're talking about completely different prices in that case :) |
| 00:31.13 | fedivh | yeah! and its difficult to get them |
| 00:31.18 | kergoth | 6000 is pretty nice as well. |
| 00:31.38 | fedivh | and I have to start with a not so good one to enjoy the future models more ;) :) |
| 00:31.42 | SuN | Well if the screen sizes are comparable, the SL5500 has an advantage because it doesn't have a dedicated graffiti area, it uses the complete height. |
| 00:32.00 | fedivh | yeah, that great! |
| 00:32.19 | SuN | The m505 has a square screen, the SL5500 has a rectangle. |
| 00:32.26 | fedivh | ? |
| 00:32.34 | fedivh | what is square? :) |
| 00:32.58 | fedivh | aaa, that it is rounded? |
| 00:33.34 | SuN | Square = Viereck |
| 00:34.00 | fedivh | SuN: traduced or do you speak german? :) |
| 00:34.26 | SuN | I can speak German fairly well, and I can read pretty much everything in German. |
| 00:34.33 | fedivh | cool |
| 00:34.55 | fedivh | but the m505 doesnt have a square display |
| 00:35.33 | SuN | Hm then it's a bit stretched, I guess... because it does have an equal amount of pixels on each side. |
| 00:35.40 | SuN | I.e. 160x160 |
| 00:36.00 | fedivh | aha, thats right |
| 00:37.15 | SuN | They're hardly comparable, I'm sure you'll like the SL5500 screen much better :) |
| 00:37.35 | fedivh | I think I will buy it :) |
| 00:38.00 | fedivh | tell me, what do you mainly do with your zaurus? |
| 00:38.41 | SuN | Mainly mp3, emu games, ebppls/pdf and browsing (over wireless lan). |
| 00:38.48 | SuN | Eh ebooks |
| 00:39.07 | fedivh | yeah? thats great |
| 00:39.10 | SuN | And I'm hoping my SL-C860 will be able to do movies or tv episodes. |
| 00:39.14 | fedivh | emu games like what? great graphics? |
| 00:40.33 | SuN | Mainly NES games, and gameboy color games. |
| 00:40.44 | fedivh | hehe |
| 00:40.56 | SuN | NES games run very well on it. |
| 00:41.09 | fedivh | but the graphics are bad :) |
| 00:41.20 | fedivh | and strategy games? free-civ, right? |
| 00:41.28 | SuN | That's because they don't need to compensate for bad gameplay :) |
| 00:41.41 | SuN | That would probably run, never tried it though. |
| 00:41.56 | SuN | Oh, I run Scummvm games too... older Lucasarts adventures. |
| 00:42.08 | SuN | Sam&Max, Day of the Tentacle, etc. |
| 00:42.23 | fedivh | hehe |
| 00:42.25 | fedivh | cool |
| 00:42.38 | fedivh | and how long can you play MP3s continusly? |
| 00:43.29 | SuN | You can go over 2 hours if you turn off the screen when playing. |
| 00:44.05 | fedivh | eH?! not more? just 2hours with turned-off screen? |
| 00:44.29 | SuN | I never really tested it, but like I said, the battery life is its main disadvantage. |
| 00:44.54 | SuN | You might be able to get a battery pack or something though... but I can't tell if they are any good. |
| 00:45.00 | fedivh | yeah, but its rechargable and removable... |
| 00:46.12 | SuN | It would be nice to have 2 or 3 batteries... but they're expensive and pretty hard to find. |
| 00:46.12 | fedivh | well, what else do I have to know? |
| 00:46.39 | SuN | Well, some linux experience is good to have... not sure how experienced you are. |
| 00:46.40 | fedivh | yeah, that bad, I really dont know why sharps pdas are so unknown |
| 00:46.50 | SuN | Marketing, mostly. |
| 00:46.53 | raduga | freeciv runs fine |
| 00:47.00 | fedivh | pretty experienced, actually I am running gentoo |
| 00:47.05 | raduga | though may need some tweaking to fit in 640x480 |
| 00:47.08 | fedivh | raduga: tried it out? |
| 00:47.17 | SuN | 320x240* |
| 00:47.18 | SuN | :) |
| 00:47.26 | SuN | Or rather, 240x320 |
| 00:47.38 | raduga | on a 5500/5600/6000 er. it needs more tweaking yet. |
| 00:47.49 | fedivh | what is tweaking? |
| 00:48.08 | SuN | Eh, working on details I guess. |
| 00:48.20 | raduga | though, there's a patch for 240x320 for older versions, it will probably be updated for freeciv 2.0 |
| 00:48.21 | raduga | hmmm |
| 00:48.25 | raduga | tweaking = hacking |
| 00:48.26 | SuN | It means it runs, but it needs more work to run comfortably. |
| 00:48.37 | raduga | the windows are too big to fit on the screen is the problem |
| 00:48.47 | raduga | you have to manually move windows around to play |
| 00:48.57 | fedivh | aha, understand... |
| 00:49.35 | fedivh | mmm...what else? |
| 00:49.40 | raduga | actually, you should be able to do 4 hours or more with a turned off screen |
| 00:49.50 | raduga | not a *lot* more, mind you |
| 00:49.51 | fedivh | raduga: yeah, that would be great |
| 00:50.11 | raduga | you can run dosbox, |
| 00:50.17 | fedivh | well, I think I will do it...I cant do anything wrong |
| 00:50.22 | fedivh | what is dosbox? |
| 00:50.29 | raduga | which will give you pretty much anything that can run on a 386/16 |
| 00:50.40 | raduga | dosbox is an i386 virtual machine |
| 00:50.46 | fedivh | URL? |
| 00:50.58 | fedivh | works good? |
| 00:51.03 | raduga | oh. on a 5500? more like a slow 80286 probably |
| 00:51.08 | raduga | works good, but is slow |
| 00:51.18 | raduga | works fine for *very* old DOS games... |
| 00:51.24 | raduga | dosbox.sourceforge.net |
| 00:51.27 | fedivh | DOOM? |
| 00:51.32 | raduga | heh |
| 00:51.39 | raduga | there's a native doom port |
| 00:51.49 | fedivh | aha |
| 00:51.51 | raduga | and quake |
| 00:51.54 | fedivh | cool |
| 00:52.10 | raduga | by "very old DOS games" I mean circa 1990-1992 |
| 00:52.14 | fedivh | is it windows 3.1 on the zaurus or what? |
| 00:52.22 | raduga | anything newer is likely to be unplayably slow |
| 00:52.38 | raduga | i think windows 3.1 runs under it, but not very well. |
| 00:53.16 | raduga | dosbox is a generic VM- it runs pretty much anywhere (linux, solaris, windows, macos) |
| 00:53.18 | fedivh | well, pretty much games |
| 00:53.26 | raduga | not just games, |
| 00:53.32 | raduga | but that's what most people use it for. |
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| 00:53.45 | raduga | win31 is system-intensive |
| 00:54.00 | raduga | most old DOS software should work. |
| 00:54.31 | fedivh | http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/screenshots/big/53.png that ones? |
| 00:54.42 | jalex | how long does the batt last in the SL3000? |
| 00:54.47 | jalex | sl-c3000 |
| 00:56.07 | jalex | would think a 4gb micrdrive would eat some juice |
| 00:58.43 | ljp | if I get one, I will let you know |
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| 00:59.07 | raduga | battery is slightly larger than previously |
| 00:59.15 | raduga | who knows? |
| 00:59.25 | raduga | one thing is certain, it's not as long as Sharp claims |
| 00:59.45 | fedivh | I will play some ut-2004 now, cu, and thanks! |
| 01:00.20 | raduga | fedivh: dosbox runs *much* slower on zaurus than on i386 linux. expect your 5500 to hve the effective speed of an 80286 |
| 01:00.24 | sjborch | anyone have a Sharp SL-6000L? |
| 01:05.35 | ljp | yes |
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| 01:09.47 | sjborch | I'm trying to figure out how to sync it without the cradle. |
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