| 00:02.57 | rev | uff-da |
| 00:03.24 | rev | anywhere know where to get the SL-6000L cheaper than $680 or so? (amazon) |
| 00:04.02 | treke | rev: check pricejapan.com |
| 00:04.08 | treke | they might have the 6000w |
| 00:04.24 | Radiance | Redosh, looks good that link |
| 00:04.46 | Radiance | but i have also the Qt version installed, so i don't know where it takes it's conf file from |
| 00:04.48 | treke | rev: Their prices are damn good. |
| 00:05.35 | Radiance | rev, saw on amazon you get also 50 $ back in rebate |
| 00:05.55 | rev | treke: yeah, i'm thinking about buying an C860 rfom there |
| 00:06.01 | rev | but they don't have any SL-6k series |
| 00:06.05 | treke | rev: email them |
| 00:06.13 | rev | i prefer the C7x0 form factor, but i would really like to have built in wifi |
| 00:06.15 | rev | instead of a card |
| 00:06.28 | treke | treke: The impression I got from their site is they will do special orders |
| 00:06.34 | rev | their C750 and 860 prices are very cheap- it was lonly like $861 shipped ! |
| 00:06.44 | treke | rev, erm that's way off |
| 00:06.54 | treke | rev: I ordered an 860 from them last month |
| 00:06.58 | treke | 601 dollars shipped |
| 00:07.03 | rev | not bad at all |
| 00:07.13 | rev | i think i'm going to get one |
| 00:07.14 | treke | about 250 cheaper than dynamism :p |
| 00:07.37 | rev | but man, the 6k would be better for a few reasons: 1. built in wifi 2. brighter and slightly bigger screen and 3. usb host |
| 00:08.07 | treke | rev: built in bluetooth is on the w :p |
| 00:08.14 | rev | i know |
| 00:08.18 | rev | i'd like that too |
| 00:08.22 | Radiance | rev, yeah, i ordered yesterday a mini a/mini b usb cable so i can connect my mobile hd hehe |
| 00:08.23 | rev | ;) |
| 00:08.34 | rev | Radiance: yeah, i used to do that with my Sigmarion 3- it was slick as snot |
| 00:08.46 | treke | dont have the sig3 any more? |
| 00:09.01 | rev | i wish, but no- i had to sell it to pay a school loan :/ |
| 00:09.06 | treke | suck |
| 00:09.07 | rev | and that was my main computer too |
| 00:09.09 | rev | i know |
| 00:09.11 | treke | Did you ever get it translated? |
| 00:09.19 | Radiance | handy stuff man, this hd is so thin and light that a skinny sandwich looks like a giant near it :) |
| 00:09.37 | rev | some parts still weren't translated- the menu in windows explorer, some other parts- but nothing that matered |
| 00:09.51 | rev | i ran english apps on it, and had englished-ized most built-in apps too |
| 00:09.51 | treke | someone saw 2GB CF cards on buy.com for 136 bucks |
| 00:09.58 | rev | dang |
| 00:10.09 | rev | i think i saw on a zaurus forum a mention of a 1 GB SD card fopr like $80 |
| 00:10.16 | rev | i';ll prolly just end up getting one of those |
| 00:10.30 | rev | treke, did i tell you what computer i'm going to get with my new found riches? |
| 00:11.09 | treke | 12 inch ibook? |
| 00:11.17 | rev | no, though that was considered |
| 00:11.19 | rev | http://conics.net/shop/frames/index-frames-u50-direct.html |
| 00:11.22 | rev | a sony U50/U70 |
| 00:11.47 | rev | a lot of places have the U50 for like $2000, conics has it for a much less $1699- but price japan has it for $1300 shipped |
| 00:12.01 | rev | the U50 is like the OQO, that class of computer |
| 00:12.14 | Radiance | hmm might sound stupid, but how do i run kismet_qt from the menu as root ? (when i launch kismet from the terminal as root it works in textmode (looks ugly)) |
| 00:12.21 | rev | the best part is that it is almost the exact same size as the Newton MP2100 :) |
| 00:12.24 | treke | rev: wonder how hard to get Linux on that thing :p |
| 00:12.46 | rev | treke: from what i've heard now linux doesn't play well with it, but i'm not sure what the problem is |
| 00:13.09 | treke | the lack of a built in keyboard is kind of annoying |
| 00:14.05 | Radiance | ah fuck ! |
| 00:14.10 | Radiance | i got it the bitch :) |
| 00:14.15 | rev | well, i would prefer something with a built-in keyboard but convertible- like the C760 |
| 00:14.37 | rev | but i would rather have something with an attachable keyboard over something like the Sig 3, which has a keyboard but one that cannot be hidden (ala C760) or removed |
| 00:14.38 | treke | I really wouldnt mind something slightly bigger |
| 00:14.45 | rev | and since it's running windows, i can use PenOffice |
| 00:14.57 | treke | maybe about the size of a jornada 720 |
| 00:15.05 | rev | even if it could run linux, i'd prolly continue to just run Windows- just so i could get real HWR with PenOffice |
| 00:15.11 | rev | i won't need a keyboard very often |
| 00:15.38 | rev | PenOffice = MS Transcriber = CalliGrapher = Newton OS 2.x cursive Recognition |
| 00:15.44 | treke | I dont like writing |
| 00:15.45 | rev | which i can do a good 40-50 WPM with |
| 00:15.50 | treke | hwr works ok for me for small things |
| 00:16.03 | treke | like adress book/todo list entries |
| 00:16.09 | treke | but that's about it. |
| 00:16.12 | rev | for me, character recog works fine for somethings |
| 00:16.31 | rev | but real HWR works great |
| 00:16.34 | treke | not for me |
| 00:16.44 | rev | but real HWR sucks on a tiny screen, like on a little Pocket PC screen |
| 00:16.56 | rev | but on a bigger screen- a Newton or this U50/70 - it works great |
| 00:17.03 | rev | 99% accuracy at 40-50 WPM |
| 00:17.15 | treke | pda amounts of text, it's fine |
| 00:17.24 | treke | but that's the limit to me |
| 00:17.57 | rev | the jornada 720 was very nice, i'll give ya that |
| 00:18.08 | rev | a little thick, but it still fit in my pocket well |
| 00:18.09 | treke | even the c860 keyboard isnt bad |
| 00:18.18 | rev | for me, theC760 kb is worthless |
| 00:18.23 | treke | rev: btw, the c860 is very slick looking compared to the 760 |
| 00:18.24 | rev | same as any thumboard |
| 00:18.26 | treke | not a big deal, but nice |
| 00:18.29 | rev | how so treke? |
| 00:18.35 | treke | better color scheme |
| 00:19.00 | rev | though i'd rather use the C760 thumboard rather than the smaller thumboard like on my Clie NX70V |
| 00:19.03 | rev | ah cool |
| 00:19.24 | treke | rev: it's a slightly darker shade of silver than the body of the 760 |
| 00:19.29 | treke | and the LCD is the same color |
| 00:19.30 | rev | mmhmm |
| 00:19.33 | treke | the backplate is black |
| 00:19.44 | Radiance | Redosh, you there ? |
| 00:21.18 | rev | yeah, i saw that |
| 00:21.23 | treke | rev: obviously not worth upgrading for it |
| 00:21.25 | rev | what kind of battery life are you getting treke? same as a c760? |
| 00:21.26 | treke | but it's nicer |
| 00:21.35 | treke | rev: hardware wise, it's identical to a c760 |
| 00:21.43 | *** join/#zaurus WebViro (~andrew@du117093.wb3.ptd.net) |
| 00:22.14 | rev | ah ok |
| 00:22.16 | rev | that's what i thought |
| 00:22.20 | rev | didn't know if there was an updated ROM tho |
| 00:22.26 | treke | there is |
| 00:22.29 | rev | better at power mgt for instance |
| 00:22.31 | WebViro | I have a question: Can you update the 5000D ROM to the 5500 release? |
| 00:22.48 | WebViro | And hello... |
| 00:22.49 | rev | again, with my newfound riches i'll be able to buy a nice low power socket wifi card- not just the cheapest one that works |
| 00:22.50 | WebViro | heh |
| 00:22.52 | treke | rev: I dunno I used the c860 source for the kernel on my 760 |
| 00:22.53 | rev | yo WebViro |
| 00:22.59 | treke | rev: the socket cards are pretty hard to get now |
| 00:23.00 | WebViro | Hello |
| 00:23.09 | treke | rev: so you're a bit out of luck there |
| 00:23.12 | rev | treke: really? what is the next best card? |
| 00:23.20 | treke | rev: dunno. I've got an ambicom |
| 00:23.25 | rev | ah, that's what i had |
| 00:23.29 | rev | it worked, which was good |
| 00:23.31 | rev | out of the box |
| 00:23.40 | treke | mostly because it was that or the wcf12 |
| 00:23.44 | treke | and I hate the wcf12 |
| 00:23.45 | rev | ugh |
| 00:23.48 | rev | the wcf12 sucks major ass |
| 00:23.48 | WebViro | I am going to buy this brand new SL-5000D off eBay in an unopened box... |
| 00:23.55 | rev | that was the first card i had- and the second and the third |
| 00:24.04 | rev | until they were all refunded and then i just bought a $60 ambicom at bestbuy |
| 00:24.07 | rev | worked great |
| 00:24.13 | treke | the wcf12s were utter crap |
| 00:24.49 | rev | WebViro: not sure if you could just flash the same ROM- i don't think the 5000D has as much flash space, but the same software would work, though you may have to put some on a SD card or something |
| 00:24.51 | rev | treke: no joke |
| 00:24.56 | rev | worthless |
| 00:25.07 | WebViro | Hmmm, thank you rev |
| 00:25.19 | rev | no prob viro |
| 00:25.29 | treke | 5000d and 5500 have the same flashs space |
| 00:25.32 | WebViro | Is $117 an alright price for a SL-5000D |
| 00:25.33 | rev | ah ok |
| 00:25.35 | rev | but less RAM no? |
| 00:25.37 | WebViro | They are different |
| 00:25.38 | treke | less ram |
| 00:25.45 | rev | couldn't load erverything in to RAM |
| 00:25.46 | WebViro | I thought it was 16MB Flash space... |
| 00:25.59 | rev | er |
| 00:26.00 | rev | who knows |
| 00:26.02 | WebViro | and 32MB on the 5500 |
| 00:26.02 | rev | don't ask me- heh |
| 00:26.30 | treke | both have 16MB of flash |
| 00:26.33 | WebViro | So then it would be possible to install the 5500 image on it? |
| 00:26.45 | treke | WebViro: there is no reason to |
| 00:26.59 | treke | the images are the same apart from memory splits |
| 00:27.04 | WebViro | No? |
| 00:27.23 | WebViro | See, I am new to the Zaurus PDA |
| 00:27.25 | treke | Frankly, you couldn't pay me to get a 5000d |
| 00:27.26 | WebViro | I just bought it |
| 00:27.29 | rev | no joke |
| 00:27.29 | Redosh | Hi Radiance |
| 00:27.32 | WebViro | Why? |
| 00:27.41 | Redosh | Need to update, gimme 4 min |
| 00:27.44 | treke | too little ram. |
| 00:27.44 | rev | you'd have to pay me to use a 5000D, 5500 and a 5600 |
| 00:27.46 | treke | crappy screen |
| 00:27.48 | WebViro | Og |
| 00:27.50 | WebViro | oh |
| 00:27.51 | treke | small battery |
| 00:27.51 | rev | worst screen ever |
| 00:27.59 | rev | tiny battery, an hour of battery life when using wifi |
| 00:28.04 | rev | some people even less, 45 minutes |
| 00:28.11 | WebViro | Then I could rip one out of a dead 5500? |
| 00:28.22 | WebViro | All I want to do is sniff Wi-Fi networks, and use it on the toilet... |
| 00:28.22 | rev | huh? |
| 00:28.22 | treke | rip what out? |
| 00:28.23 | WebViro | lol |
| 00:28.25 | rev | rip one what? |
| 00:28.28 | WebViro | The screen |
| 00:28.31 | rev | no |
| 00:28.32 | WebViro | Take it out |
| 00:28.32 | treke | why would you? |
| 00:28.33 | rev | that screen sucks too |
| 00:28.36 | WebViro | Unsolder it |
| 00:28.37 | rev | it's the same screen |
| 00:28.44 | treke | the 5500 and 5000d are almost identical |
| 00:28.45 | rev | the hardware is all identical, except more memory on the 5500 |
| 00:28.45 | WebViro | Alright... |
| 00:28.49 | Radiance | Redosh, i started kismet_server, then i launched the kismetQt options from the graph menu |
| 00:28.52 | treke | The difference being the ram |
| 00:29.02 | rev | the 5x00 line of Zaurii have the worst screen i've ever seen on a PDA |
| 00:29.09 | WebViro | Is $117 a good price for a 5000D? |
| 00:29.10 | Radiance | ah my evil meal arrived :) |
| 00:29.19 | rev | though i might use the 5x00 screen over a 160x160 pixel Palm Pro screen |
| 00:29.29 | treke | rev: it's funny, because sharp made the screen in the Dell Axim that was out at the same time |
| 00:29.31 | WebViro | I am looking for anyone's opinion |
| 00:29.38 | rev | treke: i was the one who would say that- heh |
| 00:29.40 | treke | rev: And it was one of the best screens in the pda market at the time :p |
| 00:29.50 | rev | and the Dell Axim screen has the best 320x240 screen i've ever seen |
| 00:29.54 | rev | treke man you're stealing my lines! heh |
| 00:30.05 | rev | i bought a SL-5500 and then won a dell axim like the next week |
| 00:30.50 | WebViro | So $117 is a good price I am assuming? |
| 00:30.54 | rev | well |
| 00:30.55 | rev | like i said |
| 00:30.57 | rev | er we said |
| 00:31.01 | WebViro | Besides that |
| 00:31.02 | rev | $0 price would be good for me, no more |
| 00:31.10 | WebViro | For a brand new one in the box |
| 00:31.28 | rev | i bought a SL-5500 a year ago for like $160, no clue what a 5000D should be |
| 00:31.38 | treke | WebViro: I'd be very surprised if they existed |
| 00:31.49 | WebViro | That is what I was thinking |
| 00:31.49 | rev | but if it were me, i guess i'd buy a used iPAQ 3600 instead, you could get that for about the same price |
| 00:31.50 | treke | WebViro: I wouldnt trust a claim of a brand new 5000d in the box |
| 00:31.57 | WebViro | But the seller has good feedback |
| 00:32.00 | treke | WebViro: They haven't been sold in almost 4 years. |
| 00:32.11 | WebViro | I realize that... |
| 00:32.31 | treke | rev: I'd go for a 5000d over a 3600 |
| 00:32.35 | treke | but that's about it |
| 00:32.55 | rev | really? heck, i even liked my greyscale 3150 more than the 5000D |
| 00:34.20 | Redosh | Hey Radiance, glad you made it |
| 00:35.16 | Redosh | btw has anyone seen some battery additions people makes to the zaurus? |
| 00:35.26 | rev | hahahah |
| 00:35.27 | rev | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000AZJXU/qid=1094775801/sr=8-3/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i3_xgl23/002-8480755-5838404?v=glance&s=electronics&n=507846 |
| 00:35.28 | rev | treke |
| 00:35.28 | Redosh | It looks like a time bomb |
| 00:35.32 | rev | i am so buying a socket wifi card |
| 00:35.46 | Radiance | Redosh, thanks hehe I must just go in a bit for a nightly walk to test kismet :) |
| 00:36.23 | Redosh | Walkdriving around |
| 00:36.32 | Redosh | Walkwalking |
| 00:36.38 | Redosh | Warwalking |
| 00:36.46 | Radiance | :) |
| 00:38.29 | *** join/#zaurus treke (~ggilbert@tinman.treke.net) |
| 00:39.17 | rev | wb mang |
| 00:39.40 | Redosh | anyone knows about any unbrickyfing spell to make my zaurus live? |
| 00:40.23 | rev | cmon treke |
| 00:40.23 | rev | you gott awork until 10 pm LIKE ME! |