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| 01:09.04 | Bryan_W | I think I paperweighted my CF wifi card :( |
| 01:09.47 | zebulba | better the wifi than the Z itself... |
| 01:09.56 | Bryan_W | yeah |
| 01:10.23 | cyn | http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10352352&dcaid=1688 |
| 01:10.47 | cyn | can't speak to compatibility/etc. - I seem to recall some people saying SD's SD can be strange |
| 01:10.54 | cyn | imo that's just the SD/MMC driver itself |
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| 03:07.48 | scribe | Hey guys. trying to setup a dev env for opie and am getting: |
| 03:07.57 | scribe | /opt/OpieSdk/opie/x86/sdk/include/qpe/qpeapplication.h:237: error: `qwsDisplay' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 03:08.10 | scribe | any ideas? |
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| 03:30.16 | arubin | anyone know of some good screenshots for the 5600? |
| 03:30.28 | arubin | kind of hard to get a feel for the thing when no one sells it retail |
| 03:31.54 | absentia | i have a bunch of pics |
| 03:32.06 | absentia | just mostly 7x0 though |
| 03:34.07 | arubin | absentia: online somewhere? |
| 03:37.45 | absentia | zaurus.spy.org |
| 03:39.55 | absentia | just checked |
| 03:39.58 | absentia | mostly 700 |
| 03:40.26 | arubin | trying to decide between a Zaurus 5600 and a Tungsten C |
| 03:42.52 | absentia | what do you want to do with the device |
| 03:42.58 | absentia | computer or pda? |
| 03:43.24 | arubin | computer really |
| 03:43.35 | absentia | ok |
| 03:43.44 | absentia | the Z is great for that |
| 03:43.51 | absentia | what is your concern? |
| 03:43.53 | arubin | yah, that's what I figured |
| 03:44.01 | absentia | btw: I'm on my Zaurus now. |
| 03:44.17 | arubin | Tungsten C is *much* more aesthetically pleasing |
| 03:44.26 | absentia | just testing minimo vs firefox for memory usage. |
| 03:44.36 | arubin | firefox run on the Zaurus? |
| 03:44.41 | absentia | yup |
| 03:44.53 | absentia | gimp/ firefox/ thunderbird/ etc. |
| 03:44.54 | arubin | are you running the default distro that comes with the Zaurus? |
| 03:45.05 | absentia | www.pdaXrom.org |
| 03:45.49 | arubin | seems like I would have less problems with the Zaurus with OS X |
| 03:45.57 | arubin | Palm's support of OS X is questionable at best |
| 03:46.02 | absentia | eh? |
| 03:46.17 | absentia | zaurus support of anything is questionable at best |
| 03:46.43 | arubin | well, the Zaurus can do standard file transfer protocols, etc |
| 03:46.44 | absentia | do you know of www.zaurususergroup.com |
| 03:46.49 | absentia | yes |
| 03:47.01 | absentia | I use nfs, rsync, scp |
| 03:48.49 | arubin | do you use a Wifi card with your Zaurus? |
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| 03:50.35 | scribe | hey guys. Trying to test an app I've just finished compiling. I though I needed to run /opt/OpieSdk/opie/x86/sdk/bin/qpe |
| 03:50.48 | scribe | but no little emu window pops up like I remember it used to |
| 03:55.20 | absentia | ya |
| 03:55.30 | absentia | on dlink 660w now |
| 03:55.31 | absentia | in bed |
| 03:56.06 | absentia | rouge os |
| 03:56.08 | absentia | love it |
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| 04:00.12 | absentia | good night |
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| 04:11.52 | MG_Tak | WPA? |
| 04:13.06 | arubin | the new wireless encryption standard |
| 04:14.51 | MG_Tak | ah.. donno |
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| 04:32.49 | tan | I'm looking at a "low power ethernet card" by socket closing on ebay in a few minutes for my zaurus. Has anyone used this and do you recommend it? |
| 04:34.16 | kairi | tan: Highly recommend it. |
| 04:34.32 | kairi | Get it while you can if it's lower than what Socket lists its as. |
| 04:34.37 | kairi | whoops. |
| 04:35.00 | tan | evening kairi, thanks for the tip. How are you this evening? |
| 04:35.07 | kairi | good, methinks. |
| 04:35.15 | kairi | wishing i were alive in the heyday of the C=64. |
| 04:35.29 | kairi | I can't seem to get Frodo to load anything :-/ |
| 04:35.36 | kairi | Unless I'm taking the wrong approach. |
| 04:37.12 | tan | You've come to the right person. :-) |
| 04:37.37 | tan | Its picky about files. "d64" files must be setup with a "d64" drive, for example. |
| 04:38.03 | kairi | ...^_^ |
| 04:38.38 | kairi | Alright, wellp, I'm trying to load Ikari Warriors. |
| 04:39.07 | kairi | Tried loading it into drive 8 with and without 1541 emulation. |
| 04:39.25 | kairi | At the BASIC prompt, I'm typing 'LOAD "$",8', then 'RUN', to no avail. |
| 04:39.29 | kairi | Am I totally off base here? :-/ |
| 04:39.36 | tan | When it runs (hopefully it runs?) Hit Func-5, *, Return, Func-3 and that runs the "first thing on the drive" which is hopefully your game. You select the game in the Frodo GUI. |
| 04:39.49 | tan | $ would theoreticall get you a directory. |
| 04:40.03 | kairi | The Tcl/Tk GUI, or the Qtopia one? :P |
| 04:40.17 | kairi | Either one, I'm guessing |
| 04:40.19 | kairi | Nods |
| 04:40.24 | tan | L-shift O = load. Use a . in basic to save a byte. I'm an expert on this stuff. Sad, huh? |
| 04:40.40 | kairi | Not really, the Apple II is my forte ;x |
| 04:40.47 | kairi | I'm definately not a stranger to the 6502, either |
| 04:40.49 | tan | Frodo GUI. It'll automatically setup your Frodo config file. Don't use frodo without it!! |
| 04:41.01 | kairi | I am using Frodo GUI ;x |
| 04:41.04 | kairi | This is, btw, on my Zaurus. :P |
| 04:41.10 | tan | Ah sh*t, I bet you weren't even born yet. |
| 04:41.17 | tan | (Duh...) |
| 04:41.18 | kairi | Yeah. Really. |
| 04:42.35 | tan | Are we good yet? Or are you just taking notes? |
| 04:42.57 | kairi | Who's we? :P And taking notes over what? |
| 04:43.08 | kairi | Well, I understand 'we' is me ;x |
| 04:43.24 | tan | I'm in this with you. No man, women, or child should be without a C64 running on their Zaurus! It should be standard edition software. |
| 04:43.39 | tan | Mmmmmmmmmmm............! |
| 04:43.54 | tan | Business first, k? |
| 04:44.11 | kairi | Tried various combinations of what you just said. |
| 04:45.11 | kairi | I've set drive 8 to be a D64 drive, and I am, of course, loading a D64 image. |
| 04:45.40 | tan | Smart! |
| 04:46.28 | kairi | Smart? Common sense. |
| 04:46.51 | tan | God, I'm trying to get this file off my usb drive and the drive isn't showing up at all. And I just looked and the stupid thing is sitting right next to me when I could swear I just plugged it in... |
| 04:47.09 | kairi | Snicker. |
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| 04:50.25 | kairi | So I'm guessing 'LOAD "$",8', then 'RUN' is for when I want to load and run BASIC off of a floppy. |
| 04:50.28 | tan | NO DON'T GIVE UP!!!!!!!!!! Try a different file if that one is causing you trouble. I'm here for you, I'll walk you through it. Do not turn away from the light Kairi-ann! There is peace and serenity in the light! |
| 04:50.46 | tan | "*" not "$" |
| 04:51.10 | tan | and ",8,1" comes to mind. |
| 04:51.21 | tan | Although I always just use the stupid shortcut and never look... |
| 04:51.41 | tan | HA Got my flash drive in! |
| 04:52.24 | tan | Fortunately I have engineered my home environment to make the USB ports as inconvenient to reach as humanly possible. |
| 04:53.06 | tan | Any luck? |
| 04:53.35 | kairi | Loading. |
| 04:53.44 | tan | YES YES YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 04:54.00 | kairi | Well, it's taking longer than with the dollar sign. |
| 04:54.04 | kairi | So it may be nidicative of something good. |
| 04:54.11 | kairi | indicative* |
| 04:54.26 | tan | $ = directory. They tend not to run very well. |
| 04:55.48 | kairi | That works much better. :) |
| 04:55.50 | tan | :-* |
| 04:57.19 | tan | Have your sprites enabled. SID emu = yes, filter = no. I seem to need to clock mine at least 2 frames although I'm pretty sure 1 was okay when I had the 5500. 63, 10, 10, 1 works fine for me. Lets not waste CPU cycles polling for drives and input...I think 63, 20, 63, 6 |
| 04:57.20 | tan | 3 |
| 04:57.37 | tan | ooops darn cat.... |
| 04:59.11 | kairi | Got all that. :) |
| 04:59.18 | tan | ...is what is typically recommended. If you turn off the sound, you can overclock games. 4 is a pretty good number. You can also play mp3 songs instead of the game music and run through games overclocked. 4 cycles = 225%. |
| 05:00.23 | tan | The checkboxes on the last tab aren't particularly useful. |
| 05:00.49 | tan | Game reviews are available on my weekly cable program, "C64ing with Tan" |
| 05:01.47 | tan | Right now I am slowly embarking on the un-noble quest of fixing my Windows installation. I know I know, you all are thinking "WHY??" |
| 05:02.15 | kairi | heh heh. |
| 05:02.28 | kairi | Is it so much the Windows installation as the data therein? |
| 05:03.15 | kairi | Yikes, after making those changes, I still haven't had a single read to the floppy |
| 05:03.50 | tan | Couple programs, like my video ripper is only supported in Windows. And because its broken and my calling in life is to make things work. |
| 05:03.55 | tan | ??? |
| 05:04.58 | tan | its working right? OH Don't forget to Ctrl-J for your thumpad control! A "1" appears bottom right corner. |
| 05:06.11 | kairi | I got that. |
| 05:06.21 | kairi | Now, what keys do what? :-/ That much I am completely unfamiliar with. |
| 05:07.07 | kairi | Oh, and do you recommend any particular libSDL IPKs? Something that will allow me to gracefully exit Frodo without having to ssh in and kill it myself. |
| 05:07.12 | tan | I don't know that game. Basically, thumpad left/right/up/down and middle button=KILL KILL KILL. If you need a letter, b=b, c=c, etc. :-) |
| 05:08.47 | tan | Why would you want to exit Frodo??? I'm sorry, I honestly don't know that function. Lauch it from shell, home key back to reality, and hit control-C? |
| 05:09.11 | kairi | home key does nothing for me. :-/ |
| 05:09.23 | tan | Be careful, frodo is easy to freeze with the application keys. At least it used to be. I don't seem to have a problem on the 6000 but the 5500 was a pain. |
| 05:09.25 | kairi | libSDL sort of doesn't give back keycode events or screen drawing. |
| 05:09.32 | kairi | At least this version. |
| 05:09.49 | tan | Oh yeah, I could hold "cancel" and it would die on the 5500. Try that. |
| 05:10.01 | tan | Errr, press. holding will turn it off. |
| 05:10.15 | kairi | nein. |
| 05:10.20 | kairi | Not in OpenZaurus, I'm afraid. |
| 05:10.28 | tan | or was it the other big button on the right? Which model are you using? |
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| 05:11.07 | tan | I don't know. I only make things run. Ending applications is the calling of virus writers and scum like that. :-) |
| 05:11.24 | kairi | snicker. |
| 05:11.31 | kairi | 5500. |
| 05:11.42 | tan | Any idiot can break things....I do it all the time! |
| 05:12.15 | tan | Yeah, btw, I never believed in shutdown with my 5500. It had a tendency to hang. |
| 05:12.30 | kairi | That it does. |
| 05:12.33 | kairi | Especially when it's fully powered. |
| 05:13.03 | tan | It's totally safe power-cycling it. It whines a bit about a few corrupted files but nothing major and it never has trouble cleaning up the mess. |
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| 05:14.51 | kairi | Any games you recommend that particularly strike your fancy? |
| 05:15.07 | tan | sure, what kind of games do you like? |
| 05:15.57 | kairi | Mmm...anything in space :P |
| 05:16.02 | tan | elite |
| 05:16.06 | kairi | Not much for movies or TV shows turned into games |
| 05:16.20 | tan | don't worry, we didn't have tv shows back then. |
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| 05:16.33 | kairi | snicker. |
| 05:17.03 | kairi | Wee, found a later version of SDL that may help out a little. |
| 05:17.08 | tan | infocom: hitchiker's guide and nord and bert couldn't make heads/tails of it. |
| 05:17.37 | kairi | hehehe, you're talking to someone who made a MUD around Zork. |
| 05:17.50 | tan | MULE: colonization economic simulation game. Classic. oddly, there are still forums discussing this game actively to this day. |
| 05:18.02 | kairi | sounds fun. |
| 05:18.31 | tan | Zork I/II/III/IIII/IIIII/IIIIIII/IIIIIIIIII/IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII |
| 05:18.41 | tan | Ultima series... |
| 05:19.01 | tan | MULE has smart computer players too, ahead of its time. |
| 05:19.32 | kairi | Ultima...<3 |
| 05:19.51 | tan | Since you brought it up... |
| 05:21.03 | tan | Howard the Duck came from another planet. |
| 05:21.13 | kairi | swell, at least the libSDL 1.2.6 IPK works. |
| 05:21.14 | kairi | Really? :P |
| 05:21.31 | tan | Would I lie to you? |
| 05:21.57 | kairi | nein! |
| 05:22.04 | tan | Actually a REALLY good space game? PARADROID. Robot explores a space station taking over other robots and cleaning it out. Great great game. |
| 05:22.15 | kairi | yay! the upgraded libSDL IPK allows me to gracefully exit Frodo now ;x |
| 05:22.22 | kairi | (I *do* occasionally sniff teh wifi, after all) |
| 05:22.26 | kairi | PARADROID. |
| 05:22.28 | kairi | Awesome :) |
| 05:22.28 | tan | Where'd you find it? |
| 05:22.34 | kairi | killefiz.de/zaurus |
| 05:22.41 | tan | i probably have it then. |
| 05:22.57 | tan | What key do you hit to exit? |
| 05:22.58 | kairi | I believe I had 1.2.5cvs237487834342374 installed before. |
| 05:23.25 | kairi | this one is far more well behaved, and if I were to pony up the space, I could probably run DOOM. |
| 05:23.40 | kairi | You ever play Gradius? |
| 05:23.54 | kairi | A side-scrolling shooter like that would really make my day. |
| 05:24.05 | tan | for a good graphics game filled with annoyingly long puzzles, there's always Impossible Mission (and I think Impossible Mission II). "I am undefeated. Stay awhile....STAY FOREVER AHHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!) |
| 05:24.43 | tan | Nope. But you may want to check out C64's Commando. Ballsy SID music. |
| 05:25.06 | tan | Another puzzler: Castles of Dr. Creep. |
| 05:25.27 | tan | Best sports game: Ballblazer (and a ballblazer II) |
| 05:25.51 | tan | Best dungeon game with 70s style graphics: Sword of Fargoal |
| 05:26.20 | tan | Best atari-2600 style game: Hero |
| 05:26.39 | tan | Best classic arcade style game: superpipeline |
| 05:27.38 | tan | Another 2600 -style game worth a look: bluemax |
| 05:29.10 | tan | Best airplane game: Raid over Bungling Bay (really really good one) |
| 05:29.28 | tan | Bored yet? I could go on all night... :-) |
| 05:29.40 | tan | Any you want to ask me about? |
| 05:30.36 | kairi | Space games. |
| 05:30.39 | kairi | A-la Gradius. |
| 05:30.47 | kairi | Anything that came out of SNK :P |
| 05:31.08 | kairi | Know of anything similar to any of that? |
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| 05:31.20 | tan | I think I've covered the space frontier. Of course there are always ones like Gorf too. |
| 05:31.31 | tan | SNK? what's that? |
| 05:32.33 | tan | jumpman jr is a fun one. I don't think you get to shoot anyone. Bruce Lee is pretty funny. You get to kick this big fat green guy a lot. |
| 05:32.40 | kairi | Shin Nihon Kikaku, or the company that invented the Neo Geo. |
| 05:32.50 | kairi | Snicker. |
| 05:33.02 | tan | Neo whato? Never heard of it. Sad, huh? |
| 05:33.24 | kairi | It's a product of the early 90's, perhaps the longest living console ever. |
| 05:33.45 | tan | Didn't I mention losing the last 10 years on that deserted island with those underwear models? |
| 05:33.58 | kairi | Well, I suppose not ;x |
| 05:34.54 | tan | I said "elite" already, that'll keep you busy until football season. |
| 05:35.37 | tan | it was a groundbreaking space game using infinite probability to create an endless space trader world. |
| 05:36.29 | tan | Personally, I never get past Eliza. She's always asking me to tell me about it and "can you elaborate on that". Wow, we have some deep convos |
| 05:38.38 | tan | Best western: killed until dead. |
| 05:39.19 | tan | Easiest (and therefore in my book the most fun) infocom game: seastalker |
| 05:39.35 | kairi | :-D |
| 05:39.52 | tan | Best poker game: Samantha Fox (damn can that girl play poker!) |
| 05:41.41 | tan | Best sequel for the C-128 ported back to the 64: Elite 128 (the game world's version of "best adaption of a screenplay") |
| 05:43.19 | tan | Best karate game that came before all of those other karate games: World karate |
| 05:44.27 | tan | Best adaption of a movie: Movie Monster (you get to be godzilla and destroy cities, very accurate) |
| 05:45.12 | kairi | yikes! i guess my floppy drive needs to emulate a 1541 to play Ikari Warriors :-/ |
| 05:45.25 | kairi | Elite 128, sounds familiar. |
| 05:46.03 | tan | That sucks. That's the shortcoming of Frodo. Trouble with double disks and not as good emulation options (ie some may load slow). But its pretty darn good overall and easy to install on Z. |
| 05:46.19 | kairi | aye. |
| 05:46.40 | kairi | Since I don't have any headphones on me...:-/ How well is the SID emulated? |
| 05:46.50 | tan | Best comic book adaption: Spy vs. Spy |
| 05:46.59 | tan | Perfect! |
| 05:47.13 | kairi | no kidding? :-D |
| 05:47.30 | tan | Heck, with fast loading, tons of disk space, ability to run quadruple speed, stero sound, the C64 is far better now than it ever was before! |
| 05:47.47 | tan | No kidding... |
| 05:47.50 | kairi | awesome. |
| 05:48.22 | tan | Yes. :-) |
| 05:48.46 | kairi | I thought making my TV make weird noises on the IIe was fun. |
| 05:48.57 | tan | Best racing game where race cars get destroyed: Racing Destruction Game |
| 05:49.00 | kairi | Time to turn my Zaurus into a drum machine with Frodo :P |
| 05:49.16 | tan | Good idea! |
| 05:49.38 | tan | Best amiga game: Stunt Track Racer |
| 05:51.02 | tan | Got any titles you want to ask about? |
| 05:51.09 | kairi | I'm exhausted. :P |
| 05:51.20 | tan | Sorry......... |
| 05:51.25 | Foxdie | tan: that's the one where you had to drive around on a very high and narrow track right? |
| 05:52.00 | kairi | Oh, no problem. :) |
| 05:52.05 | kairi | The day has me exhausted, not you |
| 05:52.19 | tan | Yes. Real big jumps. Real enough to make you turn your head and close your eyes when you land. Non-stop evil kanieval. First game to mess with my mind before the Doom-stuff came out. :-) |
| 05:52.47 | Foxdie | I never owned an amiga but the few games I played on a friends amiga included that and I loved it :) |
| 05:52.52 | tan | Kind of like starring in your own "Dukes of Hazard" series |
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| 05:54.09 | tan | Nice graphics, awesome sound. There are a few good titles. Marble Madness was a great adaption. I remember Dr.J/Larry Bird being good and I don't even like basketball. "TOOOOO many steps!" Ballblazer also rocked on Amiga. |
| 05:58.27 | tan | Hmmm..need to set one of these big buttons to connect my wi-fi... |
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| 06:01.33 | kairi | tan: Frodo's giving me a bunch of low blips :-/ |
| 06:08.20 | kairi | ah...teh tired. |
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| 09:29.11 | Hrw | hi |
| 09:30.31 | Dreamer_uk | good morning |
| 09:31.50 | Hrw | lots of zaurus channels in freenode ;) |
| 09:39.27 | Dreamer_uk | i only visit this one :) |
| 09:40.50 | Hrw | #oe is my primary |
| 09:45.53 | Dreamer_uk | oe? |
| 09:46.02 | Dreamer_uk | open e??? |
| 09:46.29 | Hrw | open embedded |
| 09:46.56 | Hrw | enviroment which is used to build new openzaurus |
| 09:47.31 | Dreamer_uk | ahh I'm not a programmer so i guess not a big channel for me :) |
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| 15:20.00 | Cwiiis | Hi - I was wondering if anyone could tell me how the Zaurus SL5500 compares to the SL5600 performance-wise, and if they could give me a realistic figure for battery life? (with and without wifi usage) |
| 15:21.05 | Hrw | Cwiiis: 5600 has better battery, less ram (64 in 5500, 32 in 5600), more flash |
| 15:21.11 | Hrw | Cwiiis: 5500 is more popular |
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| 15:22.11 | Cwiiis | Hrw - Any figures for battery life though? And what about processor performance? |
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| 15:23.56 | Hrw | Cwiiis: cpu it depends.. in 5500 you got SA1100/206 in 5600 PXA250/400 or (better) PXA255/400 |
| 15:24.08 | Hrw | Cwiiis: but I don't know much more about it |
| 15:24.20 | Hrw | Cwiiis: go to http://www.zaurususergroup.com/ |
| 15:24.32 | Cwiiis | ok, thanks |
| 15:26.44 | Cwiiis | I think I might go for the 5500, would like to use OpenZaurus and just read that Quake performs terrible on the 5600 but fine on the 5500... Which leads me to believe that floating point performance is better on the 5500 |
| 15:27.12 | Hrw | 5600 with pxa255 is rare but faster |
| 15:27.56 | Cwiiis | I need to find some realistic battery life figures for the 5500 before I buy it - I'm not too bothered about the flash memory given I'll be using a memory card |
| 15:30.57 | raduga | cwiis: 2-3 hours |
| 15:31.20 | raduga | depending on what you're doing. |
| 15:31.43 | raduga | with the backlight off, maybe 4-5 hours |
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| 15:32.17 | rikkus | hi |
| 15:32.56 | rikkus | Anyone know if it's possible to connect a Zaurus to a Windows machine using Infra red? I mean for syncing, not just beaming one thing at a time. |
| 15:34.00 | rikkus | I know it can be done with Linux, just setting up pppd... Windows seems to have something similar, but nothing happens when I try to establish a connection from the Zaurus |
| 15:42.16 | Cwiiis | It's probably possible if you install IrComm2k (I think that's what it was called?) - Allows you to treat IR as a serial port, like in Linux |
| 15:42.25 | Cwiiis | I wouldn't know though |
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| 15:51.51 | raduga | unsure. it depends on what options are available in the Windows sync software |
| 15:52.11 | raduga | it should be technically possible, but I don't know if it's supported |
| 15:54.38 | rikkus | qtopia says it does serial, so I'm guessing that could work if the IR link looked like a serial link, but I think it doesn't. |
| 15:55.06 | rikkus | USB would be possible if the link looked like a USB cable, but I don't think it does. |
| 15:55.22 | raduga | irda is not USB, but it is a serial protocol |
| 15:55.29 | raduga | i.e. i suspect it will work |
| 15:55.53 | rikkus | the difficulty is getting Windows to tell Qtopia that it's just a serial link... |
| 15:56.28 | rikkus | and I have no idea how to tell the Zaurus to listen for sync requests on a serial port. |
| 15:56.56 | rikkus | It must do it on its 'real' serial port, though, so I might just be able to move a symlink or something |
| 15:57.37 | raduga | qtopia should allow you to select a serial port |
| 15:57.47 | raduga | and when it does, pick the IR port |
| 15:57.57 | raduga | rikkus: there's a windows control panel for IRDA |
| 15:58.14 | raduga | it should let you assign a COM: port # to the irda port |
| 15:58.23 | rikkus | oh, haven't seen that.. will look |
| 15:59.43 | rikkus | hmm, I don't have such a control panel.. perhaps it's not in win2k |
| 15:59.54 | rikkus | will see if there's another way to tell windows to do that |
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| 16:06.05 | rikkus | oh well, maybe I'll just bring the cable to work :) |
| 16:06.06 | rikkus | cheers |
| 16:06.15 | rikkus | er, the cradle |
| 16:06.17 | Cha | Ms Pacman is "playable" with sound. As with other games, there is definitely a decrease of speed vs. desktop with the sound on. But its getting very close. It'd be interesting to try the turbo cheat mode and see how that plays. I didn't have the cheat handy. |
| 16:07.00 | rikkus | Cwiiis: oh, sorry, didn't see that about ircomm2k... will try it |
| 16:13.13 | Cwiiis | :) |
| 16:13.56 | rikkus | ok, qtopia seems to either not find that serial device, or just can't talk to the Z. Cradle, methinks. Thanks very much for the help! |
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| 16:34.17 | frankps | hi all |
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| 17:05.44 | zwi | hey all..can anybody tell me if its possible to get the opie-mail with imaps support working on a stock Z 5600 kernel? |
| 17:06.10 | kergoth | i think you mean on a stock z 5600 rom |
| 17:06.22 | zwi | uhhh yeah that too :-) |
| 17:06.25 | kergoth | a rom is far more than just a kernel, and the rootfs changes are the most visable |
| 17:06.41 | kergoth | its certainly -possible-. how much effort is involved, dunno :) |
| 17:07.11 | zwi | I've already broken my Z so it won't start qpe..I'm reflashing hoping that will bring it back...I was trying to force some updates so opie-mail would install..I think I forced a little too hard |
| 17:07.24 | zwi | well..qpe = "Wait 1 minute.." |
| 17:07.28 | zwi | I think thats qpe |
| 17:07.43 | zwi | I'm still new at all this hehe |
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| 17:26.38 | zwi | ok..my Z is hanging at the zaurus boot screen that says Zaurus - Please wait for approx 1 minute..what have I done wrong? and is there anyway to get to a console before that? |
| 17:29.27 | zwi | dammit I hate breaking new things :-) |
| 17:29.45 | kergoth | i hate breaking things in general, not just the new ones |
| 17:30.31 | zwi | well this is true..but I'm trying to do my normal hacker crap to my Z without really understanding what I'm doing and in this case I just don't understand enough about it to not just be completely dangerous hehe |
| 17:30.57 | kergoth | well, worst case you reflash. having a cf reader would be a Good Thing(tm) |
| 17:31.06 | raduga | to not be completely dangerous hehe, please remove the battery. thanks. |
| 17:31.12 | zwi | yeah....HAHAHHA |
| 17:31.45 | sashz | kergoth, you agree - perl sucks language? |
| 17:31.47 | zwi | I just started migrating my data from my palm over to it (not to mention many apps) and I was hoping to not reflash...but..I guess if so.. |
| 17:33.48 | raduga | its going to take more than reflashing to make those many Palm apps run on the Zaurus |
| 17:34.30 | gerrynjr | raduga> that palm emu runs too slow unfortunately :-/ |
| 17:35.20 | raduga | it will be interesting to see someone write a palmos emulator that uses native arm execution for palmos5 code. |
| 17:35.21 | zwi | raduga: No doubt..but I was on my way..manually moving records over etc... |
| 17:35.28 | raduga | hasn't been done yet, but someone will, I'm sure |
| 17:36.11 | zwi | for googles sake can anybody tell me where my Z is hanging so I can hopefully figure something out? |
| 17:36.25 | zwi | it's the second splash screen |
| 17:36.31 | zwi | on a 5600 if it makes any difference |
| 17:36.37 | raduga | zwi: what ROM? |
| 17:36.51 | zwi | sharp latest (1.32?) |
| 17:36.59 | raduga | I don't really know then |
| 17:37.09 | kergoth | sashz: perl is wonderful for certain very specific circumstances. generally speaking I prefer python. |
| 17:37.17 | zwi | dammit...maybe this is my excuse to start trying diff roms then hehe |
| 17:37.20 | sashz | ooooooohhh |
| 17:37.34 | sashz | i just wanted ask you about python alsso sux! |
| 17:38.06 | sashz | i think my new love is ruby |
| 17:38.10 | kergoth | never used ruby |
| 17:38.22 | sashz | im too :) |
| 17:38.26 | kergoth | i still use perl daily for text manipulation. |
| 17:38.30 | sashz | i looking how run reby test |
| 17:38.46 | kergoth | python mostly for prototyping and embedded scripting in code, etc |
| 17:38.50 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:39.46 | sashz | kergoth, you tried crosscompile perl for Z? i get starnge errors about scalar error |
| 17:39.54 | sashz | when run compiled code |
| 17:40.05 | kergoth | OE crosscompiles perl now |
| 17:40.30 | sashz | hehe, because perl sucks i think fully remove it from pdaXrom |
| 17:40.43 | kergoth | i'd be inclined to agree. |
| 17:40.52 | kergoth | there's no way i'd include it in anything i release, distro wise |
| 17:41.03 | kergoth | python maybe in an optional rom, the way familiar did their python version |
| 17:41.13 | sashz | i look ruby like perl and python, but have little size |
| 17:41.20 | sashz | unlike perl and python... |
| 17:41.55 | raduga | sashz: perl would be nice to have in pdaxrom, but without perl, pdaxrom is smaller |
| 17:41.57 | raduga | smaller is better |
| 17:42.13 | gerrynjr | sashz> curious.. offroadgeek told me the pdaxrom had some font issues... namely.. they were too small.. curious, was that issue remedied |
| 17:42.15 | gerrynjr | ? |
| 17:42.21 | kergoth | i'd argue that perl, python, and ruby should all be left out by default. |
| 17:42.29 | kergoth | its not exactly rocket science to install a package from a feed |
| 17:42.30 | sashz | yes of course |
| 17:42.38 | sashz | gerrynjr,, what font problem? |
| 17:42.54 | raduga | sashz: the default fonts are tiny, for a 3" screen |
| 17:43.01 | gerrynjr | sashz> not sure... but I was talking to offroadgeek a while back about getting a C series to run pdaxrom... |
| 17:43.03 | raduga | sashz: for a full-size 640x480 they are fine |
| 17:43.16 | sashz | aah, |
| 17:45.37 | kergoth | sashz: i'm telling you, you should really try OE. its like the build tool you're using now, only more flexible and extensible, has over 700 packages in it currently, and one could easily transition gentoo's entire set of ebuilds over. |
| 17:46.48 | sashz | yea, 700 packages is cool. |
| 17:47.14 | kergoth | that includes opie and gpe, using matchbox and the freedesktop.org x server & libs |
| 17:47.49 | kergoth | uclibc or glibc |
| 17:48.08 | sashz | uclibc system already work ok? |
| 17:48.22 | kergoth | remember, OE isnt a distribution. its a build tool. you can easily build -your- distro with -your- own local changes using it. |
| 17:48.52 | kergoth | yeah, gb2 has built an opie image with it, there are probably still packages that need patching for the full metadata set |
| 17:49.28 | sashz | hmmm i think i will look it soon :) |
| 17:50.04 | kergoth | sashz: the idea is, you could easily make your own repository with your own packages, but its also really easy for you to push your package changes to the official oe one, so its one place that benefits all of us |
| 17:50.05 | raduga | pdaxrom 2.0? |
| 17:50.10 | absentia | huh? |
| 17:50.10 | kergoth | collaboration is a Good Thing(tm) |
| 17:50.11 | absentia | where? |
| 17:50.18 | raduga | absentia: will be OE. |
| 17:50.26 | raduga | absentia: sashz doesn't know this yet |
| 17:50.37 | zwi | anybody have any opinions on the zynergy5600 rom vs say OZ for a 5600? |
| 17:50.42 | kergoth | anyway, enough shameless promotion on my part |
| 17:50.47 | sashz | ehe |
| 17:51.08 | absentia | the gentoo guys say they're forking their system |
| 17:51.11 | absentia | not sure of the details. |
| 17:51.15 | kergoth | again? |
| 17:51.45 | raduga | gentoo -> genthree, genfour |
| 17:51.58 | sashz | gensux |
| 17:52.00 | sashz | oups |
| 17:52.02 | kergoth | zynot had a lot of potential.. too bad it didnt pan out |
| 17:52.02 | sashz | gensix |
| 17:52.32 | gerrynjr | absentia> the zaurus team? |
| 17:52.37 | gerrynjr | or portage in general? |
| 17:52.42 | kergoth | i'm hoping to take the upcoming C backend for OE and pursue it with the gentoo guys as a C portage replacement, or something |
| 17:53.30 | raduga | kergoth: oe is a build system, yes? |
| 17:53.48 | raduga | is it targeted specifically at i386, or at pretty much anything? |
| 17:54.02 | kergoth | anything |
| 17:54.19 | absentia | zynot ? |
| 17:54.24 | absentia | what's dot ? |
| 17:54.25 | kergoth | i use it for x86 builds for UML, or OZ or familiar distro builds for z or ipaq, or minimal distros for omap development boards, or.. |
| 17:54.29 | kergoth | absentia: it was a gentoo fork. |
| 17:54.41 | absentia | gerry: just saw a note on the gentoo for zaurus page... didn't really read it through. |
| 17:55.08 | gerrynjr | absentia> from what i've gathered... the whole portage tree was "de-arm'ed" |
| 17:55.30 | gerrynjr | ie.. people removed the arm stable keword from ebuilds, etc.. and compatabilty was sort of broken |
| 17:55.43 | gerrynjr | it's being discussed |
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| 17:56.38 | kergoth | heh, 'gentoo for zaurus'. i bet they didnt even *talk* to the gentoo-embedded subproject |
| 17:57.29 | sashz | kergoth, you seen embeddix buildroot? |
| 17:57.42 | sashz | that like 'gentoo for zaurus' |
| 17:58.07 | kergoth | the one the lineo guys owned? i've talked to tim about how their system worked |
| 17:58.09 | gerrynjr | kergoth> that's what i've been gathering |
| 17:58.11 | sashz | yes |
| 17:58.14 | sashz | from lineo :) |
| 17:58.22 | kergoth | remember, tim was my boss. its come up |
| 17:58.23 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:58.41 | sashz | chrooted environment, text configs, and VI for edit it |
| 17:58.44 | kergoth | from what i gather it was pretty capable, but not optimal, pretty hackish |
| 17:58.46 | gerrynjr | absentia> gentoo for zaurus isn't an "official" project is it? |
| 18:04.30 | absentia | gerry: yes, de-armed |
| 18:04.33 | absentia | which is really sad. |
| 18:04.56 | gerrynjr | absentia> it's being fixed |
| 18:05.04 | absentia | cool |
| 18:05.08 | absentia | I haven't been too interested in gentoo |
| 18:05.12 | gerrynjr | absentia> and... gentoo-zaurus is not an official project, last I checked |
| 18:05.14 | absentia | but now that I have a screamin' cpu |
| 18:05.16 | absentia | I think I will look into it |
| 18:05.24 | gerrynjr | absentia> been suing it for 2+ years now :-D |
| 18:05.26 | gerrynjr | using |
| 18:05.38 | gerrynjr | how the frig does wireless always swap chars? |
| 18:05.42 | absentia | right, but the gentoo for zaurus did the emerge? or config on the z, but then compiled on a remote pc |
| 18:05.46 | absentia | that's what I'm looking for |
| 18:06.11 | gerrynjr | ah... |
| 18:06.23 | absentia | when I had 2400 bps modems... and I'd type like | I'd always get like |}} or something. |
| 18:06.29 | absentia | every time. buut I figured that was just audio. |
| 18:06.35 | absentia | I can't see how radio would have the same issue. |
| 18:06.44 | gerrynjr | well.. hate to tell you but.. gentoo has no obligation to unofficial projects |
| 18:07.36 | gerrynjr | it wasnt done intentionally... but itgentoo's job to support them |
| 18:07.36 | gerrynjr | it isn't |
| 18:08.38 | absentia | ok |
| 18:08.45 | absentia | well, can someone make up their own portage feeds? |
| 18:09.15 | gerrynjr | yup... |
| 18:09.28 | gerrynjr | that's what their "fork" will do |
| 18:11.43 | zwi | am I correct if I say the min size of CF or SD card to flash my Z is 16M? |
| 18:12.28 | raduga | zwi: if you want to flash your Z with any interesting roms, I'd say, get at least 32 or 64. |
| 18:12.38 | raduga | very dull and uninteresting roms may be smaller |
| 18:12.49 | zwi | heheh oh ok... |
| 18:13.02 | zwi | ok so 64 Meg...eventually I want to pick up a 512 SD I think |
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| 20:12.19 | benr | anyone have a suggestion on which 802.11B CF to get? |
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| 20:13.59 | gerrynjr | benr> not netgear |
| 20:14.15 | benr | gerrynjr: I've heard to avoid SanDisk too. :( |
| 20:14.21 | benr | the SanDisk looks pretty nice. |
| 20:14.44 | benr | is the LinkSys WCF any good? |
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| 20:15.49 | benr | ultimately I'd like to use it in my Zaurus 5500 and also in my laptop via a PCMCIA adapter. |
| 20:16.17 | absentia | I have not had much luck with my linksys wcf12 |
| 20:16.24 | benr | damn. |
| 20:16.56 | absentia | other people have |
| 20:16.59 | absentia | and wcf11 seems to work |
| 20:17.00 | benr | I see alot of "Don't use this card" notes around, but very little "This one works great". :( |
| 20:17.13 | absentia | dlink 660w |
| 20:17.16 | absentia | I've had 2 |
| 20:17.20 | absentia | both work fine |
| 20:17.26 | absentia | why 2? lost one. |
| 20:17.32 | benr | then why are you trying to use a WCF12? |
| 20:17.49 | absentia | I have 3 zaurus |
| 20:17.53 | absentia | I bought the wcf12 first day |
| 20:18.01 | absentia | didn't work, went back and bought a dlink660w |
| 20:18.02 | absentia | lost it |
| 20:18.04 | absentia | bought another one |
| 20:18.04 | benr | ah. |
| 20:18.11 | absentia | still have 2 wifi, for 3 pda... and only 1 really works. |
| 20:18.36 | benr | did you need to do anything special to get the WiFi working? |
| 20:20.29 | absentia | for wcf12, apparently. |
| 20:20.40 | benr | I ment witht he Dlink. |
| 20:20.51 | absentia | some (new) kernel drivers, and wlan_ng config edits/changes? |
| 20:20.53 | absentia | no |
| 20:20.58 | absentia | not with dlink |
| 20:20.59 | benr | sweet. |
| 20:21.05 | absentia | at least the version that I haev |
| 20:21.07 | benr | running OZ ro Sharp? |
| 20:22.27 | sashz | hi ljp |
| 20:24.35 | benr | kool, I'm finding more people happy with the dlink.... guess she's the one. |
| 20:24.40 | benr | thanx absentia |
| 20:27.49 | Cha | I'd leave out the perl development tools, but you still might wish to leave support for perl scripts. For example, you need perl for apache and mysql. |
| 20:28.37 | kergoth | heh. what "perl development tools" do you really need? my "perl development tool" is vi. |
| 20:29.07 | absentia | ja |
| 20:29.09 | Cha | Oh I dunno. Doesn't everything have a development and an executable rpm these days? If not, poor assumption on my part. |
| 20:29.16 | kergoth | perl is a scripting language. |
| 20:29.18 | kergoth | there is no compilation. |
| 20:29.32 | kergoth | well, not that you need concern yourselfw ith anyway |
| 20:29.34 | Cha | Yeah I know, I was attempting not to respond to the quote above referring to it as a "language" |
| 20:29.47 | kergoth | a perl module is a perl module is a perl module. |
| 20:29.58 | kergoth | you need nothing more than that to write the script with a text editor than you do to run it |
| 20:30.15 | Cha | I bet there is still a perl.rpm and perl-dev.rpm that will diff perfectly together if you download them both. :-) |
| 20:30.25 | kergoth | i highly doubt that. |
| 20:30.50 | Cha | So, if it compiles=language and if it doesn't=script? Is that the formal definition? |
| 20:31.26 | benr | kergoth: you first please. :) |
| 20:31.27 | kergoth | perl is an interpreted language. |
| 20:31.41 | kergoth | note the key word interpreted. |
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| 20:31.58 | kergoth | this is also the point where i'd go "oh the hell with this" and tell you to search the fucking web |
| 20:32.07 | benr | tobb: ya, got one awhile back for Euphoria work. |
| 20:32.14 | benr | erp, wrong. |
| 20:32.53 | sashz | rm -f perl python ruby |
| 20:32.59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:33.38 | Cha | I think the keyword there was "language" not "interpreted" |
| 20:34.57 | Cha | I think Perl should be called Pers. |
| 20:35.12 | Cha | ...or Persl. |
| 20:35.18 | benr | please tell me thats a terrible joke... |
| 20:35.23 | benr | cause it's not funny, it's just sad. |
| 20:35.50 | benr | iPaq's don't have as many features though. |
| 20:35.55 | benr | BAH |
| 20:36.44 | Cha | Oh don't get religious on me...I might start profligating the advantages of Windows CE over linux. |
| 20:37.17 | benr | religious? |
| 20:37.32 | benr | "Cha is an idiot" is a religious thing? |
| 20:37.51 | Cha | Now you've gone and hurt my feelings. |
| 20:39.42 | Cha | Ariel Lieberman (ariel@ccs.neu.edu) asked: I'm looking for a definition of a scripting language (Perl, REXX, Tcl, etc.). What are the differences between a scripting language and a "regular" programming language (C, C++, Ada, Smalltalk, etc.). |
| 20:39.50 | Cha | Take it up with him, k? |
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| 20:40.29 | benr | holy shit your such an idiot...... you don't even read that properly. |
| 20:40.55 | Cha | http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~pjj/cs211/langdes/script.html |
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| 20:42.40 | absentia | pewl |
| 20:42.43 | Cha | Anyone care to discuss ROM vs. kernel now? :-) |
| 20:42.47 | absentia | p-you-l |
| 20:43.03 | sashz | yes |
| 20:43.09 | sashz | kernel sucks |
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| 20:43.36 | absentia | anyone care to discuss ROM vs Sharp's use of the term? |
| 20:44.51 | sashz | qt vs gtk |
| 20:45.54 | absentia | qt! |
| 20:47.26 | Cha | Like Andrew Jackson once said, it is an unimaginative man who can not spell something more than one way. |
| 20:48.01 | Cha | That would also be a man with a very large custom spell checking dictionary. |
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| 20:53.39 | absentia | I bet he'd think dub-ya is a geen00s, then? |
| 20:55.55 | Cha | That thought is officially incoherent absentia. It googles up nothing. |
| 20:56.12 | absentia | I bet he would probably consider george w. bush a genius |
| 20:56.23 | absentia | and quayle |
| 20:56.33 | absentia | being creative is one thing |
| 20:56.45 | absentia | being downright out and out dumfuck stupid... is quite another. |
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| 21:05.40 | Cha | absentia, i finally decoded your message. The fact that you decoded it for me was helpful. ;-) |
| 21:06.49 | ljp | hi sashz |
| 21:09.34 | Cha | A Zaurus on every school desk, a hotspot on every corner! |
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| 21:15.26 | Cha | I invented wi-fi. (It was through my efforts to hijack my neighbors cable that the idea was propogated.) |
| 21:23.26 | Cha | I will lower everyone's taxes and increase domestic and international spending for any cause that supports my campaign. |
| 21:26.28 | Cha | I will require that "Windows" change their name to "Winspire". |
| 21:29.06 | Cha | I will unleash a govenment-sanctioned virus that will automatically replace all un-patched versions of the Windows OS to a fresh Linux install. |
| 21:29.32 | Cha | That is my "no OS left behind" program. |
| 21:29.43 | tobb | is cha a spambot or is he/she for real? |
| 21:30.26 | treke_ | sadly cha isnt a bot. |
| 21:30.38 | Cha | yes, i a spambot and i is he/she for real. |
| 21:30.51 | Cha | I pass the turing test. |
| 21:31.12 | swoolley | okaying chess was turing's other test |
| 21:31.17 | swoolley | s/okay/play/ |
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| 21:34.31 | Cha | I will fund government research for wifi-enabled headphones that run on hydrogen fuel cells |
| 21:35.23 | Cha | ...and 2.5 mm converter jacks that don't stick out 3 inches horizonally and make my Zaurus useless as a walkman... |