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| 00:16.51 | newbs | i lost the cd with the software to get Z to work with windows ive looked on zaurus.com am i just looking in the wrong places? |
| 00:20.48 | khelek | newbs: community.zaurus.com might be of help |
| 00:20.53 | newbs | thanks |
| 00:21.55 | khelek | actually, I might be wrong on that :-/ |
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| 00:27.39 | treke|laptop | when the site is online :) |
| 00:27.52 | absentia | first full moon of each month? |
| 00:31.38 | khelek | hehe |
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| 05:39.45 | AntiTrust | will changing of roms on Z damage the Z or void my warranty? |
| 05:41.48 | warmi_ | damage ? not unless you screw it up |
| 05:42.15 | warmi_ | I am not sure about warranty ... there is a good chance it will since these days companies are quite paranoic about everything ( and with a good reason ) |
| 05:42.48 | kergoth | in reality i doubt i matters, i never had problems with sharp support regardless of what rom changing id done |
| 05:42.54 | kergoth | technically, maybe |
| 05:42.55 | warmi_ | it is really like flashing your BIOS on your PC ... if you turn it off during the process you gonna end up with a dead machine |
| 05:43.18 | kergoth | only worse, at least with a pc you can have them ship a new bios chip |
| 05:43.19 | kergoth | :) |
| 05:43.55 | warmi_ | yeah well ... kergoth tell me how many time have you flashed your Z ? we talking 300-400 times ? |
| 05:43.56 | warmi_ | heh |
| 05:44.19 | kergoth | or more, yeah. the old 5000d |
| 05:44.28 | AntiTrust | warmi_dead machine?! meaning no way to resuscitate it again,software or hardware?? |
| 05:44.46 | kergoth | flashing OZ isnt dangerous. flashing a sharp ospack can be |
| 05:44.51 | kergoth | depends on the method. |
| 05:45.37 | warmi_ | well, if your BIOS ends up dead for whatever reason .. how are you going to recover if you won't be able to even boot your machine |
| 05:45.56 | AntiTrust | @kergoth: so many times,my god! i spoke to sharp technical staff,they told me if i brick the Z they willnot be responsible,that made me a bit apprehensive abt flashing Z ... |
| 05:46.12 | kergoth | AntiTrust: 'brick'ing cant happen flashing oz. not sure about tkc. |
| 05:46.23 | kergoth | flashing back to sharp can be iffy if you dont follow a certain set of steps |
| 05:46.40 | warmi_ | AntiTrust : well, hundreds of people flash their Zs all the time :-) |
| 05:47.41 | warmi_ | AntiTrust what kind of Z you got ? |
| 05:47.56 | AntiTrust | thats what i told the sharp tech staff,but they say its at yr own risk,i want to update my rom urgently,cos its painfully out of date. |
| 05:48.18 | AntiTrust | warmi_: sl5600 |
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| 05:48.32 | kergoth | eh, 5600 is safe. all the upgrade methods dont touch the bootloader |
| 05:48.41 | kergoth | even if you lose power half way through, you just flash it again |
| 05:48.49 | warmi_ | ah ok .. well, the flash it .. follow whatever instructions you got and go for it .. sooner or later you will have to do it anyway |
| 05:49.29 | warmi_ | what's the latest Z you got these days kergoth ? |
| 05:49.30 | warmi_ | 700 ? |
| 05:49.45 | kergoth | c700 went back to dynamism |
| 05:49.52 | kergoth | i have a c750, but it belongs to work, not me |
| 05:50.02 | warmi_ | you mean TI ? |
| 05:50.04 | kergoth | handy for testing though |
| 05:50.12 | warmi_ | why would they want c750 ? |
| 05:50.15 | warmi_ | hehe |
| 05:50.59 | kergoth | cause they're spiffy! |
| 05:51.02 | kergoth | i need more toys |
| 05:51.13 | warmi_ | yeah, well - we all do |
| 05:51.19 | kergoth | heh, true |
| 05:51.28 | warmi_ | I have 5 of them these days ... |
| 05:51.34 | warmi_ | 1 Z and 4 PPCs |
| 05:51.37 | kergoth | ah nice |
| 05:51.42 | kergoth | doing ppc dev nowadays? |
| 05:52.00 | warmi_ | yeah, well .. Z is pretty much dead .. they don't really sell it nor support it in US |
| 05:52.37 | kergoth | heh, yeah |
| 05:52.39 | warmi_ | I do only framebuffer level dev for PPC .... I hate Win32, especially compared to Qt/Qtopia stuff |
| 05:52.45 | kergoth | ah |
| 05:52.45 | AntiTrust | <@kergoth> flashing OZ isnt dangerous. flashing a sharp ospack can be... So any rom without an ospack is safe for the Z,zs in if anything goes wrong,or screw up,i will not run the risk of bricking it,ie becoming a dead machine? |
| 05:53.03 | kergoth | 'ospack' is an old flash method on the 5500/5000d |
| 05:53.15 | kergoth | your model is a method that wont result in a brick even if it fails |
| 05:53.24 | kergoth | worst case you just reflash again |
| 05:53.49 | AntiTrust | ooh,so 5600 got a sfety mechanism that 5500 doesnt have? |
| 05:53.56 | AntiTrust | typo=safty |
| 05:54.37 | warmi_ | see how lucky you are Anti ;-) |
| 05:54.39 | kergoth | no, its not a safety mechanism, its a safer procedure |
| 05:55.00 | kergoth | more safety inherent in the way the flash happens, not as an additional mechanism |
| 05:56.39 | AntiTrust | oic.. that really begs another qn: i see a lot more apps,roms,etc for sl5500,if i download them,ie rom meant for 5500,wont i be having the same ospack as the 5500? |
| 05:56.51 | AntiTrust | even tho mines a 5600? |
| 05:57.03 | kergoth | a rom meant for a 55000 *will not* work on a 5600. period. |
| 05:57.07 | kergoth | apps -might- |
| 05:57.21 | kergoth | s/55000/5500/ |
| 05:57.36 | kergoth | warmi_: i'm getting really bored of building linux distros. been doing it for years now. |
| 05:57.48 | kergoth | hack on distro at work. come home. hack on distro. rinse. repeat. |
| 05:58.19 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:58.21 | kergoth | http://openembedded.bkbits.net:8080/packages/ChangeSet@-7d?nav=index.html |
| 05:59.24 | warmi_ | well ... do something else then .... I understand you doing it at work as a part of your job . then do something else at home , games, apps whatever ... |
| 05:59.29 | warmi_ | that's what I do anyway |
| 05:59.58 | warmi_ | or just don't do anyting at home and spend time browing porn or something ... whatever keeps you happy ....:-) |
| 06:00.34 | kergoth | hehe. yeah. need a new project |
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| 06:01.11 | warmi_ | kergoth Neo still working at TI on user level apps ? |
| 06:01.41 | kergoth | warmi_: yeah |
| 06:02.41 | AntiTrust | im deciding between sharp 3.** rom,openzaurus,tkc. which do u recommend? |
| 06:03.04 | kergoth | AntiTrust: i recommend trying sharp, oz, and at least one sharp-based rom |
| 06:03.13 | kergoth | AntiTrust: it really is a personal decision. try them and see what fits you best |
| 06:05.56 | AntiTrust | @kergoth: ic, how many type of rom are there, besides sharp-based rom...openzaurus and thekompanyrom are based on? |
| 06:06.55 | kergoth | tkc is sharp based |
| 06:07.04 | kergoth | oz is its own entity, built from the ground up |
| 06:09.33 | AntiTrust | which has more apps and functionality? |
| 06:10.03 | kergoth | thats not a valid question |
| 06:10.09 | kergoth | like i said, its a personal choice |
| 06:10.11 | treke|laptop | AntiTrust: your on to a loser. |
| 06:10.22 | treke|laptop | Just try the images and decide for yourself. |
| 06:11.17 | AntiTrust | ok, i will... thanks for yr help. |
| 06:11.37 | AntiTrust | *searching for roms now* |
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| 07:11.10 | AntiTrust | is there a download manger that unpacks(untar) and unzipp files and folders to make installation of .tar.gz files and folders a one step(click)process? |
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| 07:38.14 | AntiTrust | nobody's here ? |
| 07:38.40 | frankps | hm. I don't think I am nobody. But I am here |
| 07:38.50 | frankps | sort of at least |
| 07:42.21 | AntiTrust | frankps: :) my qn is: is there a download manger that unpacks(untar) and unzipp files and folders to make installation of .tar.gz files and folders a one step(click)process? |
| 07:52.09 | kergoth | "unzips files"? just install an ipk like everybody else. its a package format thats installable via the package manager in a single step. |
| 07:53.00 | frankps | yes, I would also recommend you to stick to ipk files |
| 07:53.20 | frankps | I don't know of any package manager for .tar.gz |
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| 08:03.17 | AntiTrust | oic..but some files i want comes only in .tar.gz? these files contain ipk file for the program ,right? |
| 08:04.39 | AntiTrust | anyways,where can i get ipk files? zaurus feed seems like all .tar.gz. ,any other directory? |
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| 14:49.07 | mbjohn | does anyone know where I can find the original filesystem/kernel for the sl-5600? |
| 14:51.57 | tumnus | mbjohn: |
| 14:51.58 | tumnus | http://community.zaurus.com/projects/sl5600uss |
| 14:55.29 | mbjohn | tumnus: thanks....I was hoping there was something older than that -- I installed openzaurus on my 5600, and that was way buggy, so i tried to go back. Unfortunately, now it freezes anytime I've got my wireless card in :-/ |
| 14:56.26 | mbjohn | (when I say I went back, I installed the files from 560v132c.zip) |
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| 15:06.30 | tumnus | (Got disconnected so I might have missed something) mbjohn: You will have to do a format as well as a flash on the 5600 to get back to the factory state (Format is the 3rd option on the maintenance screen |
| 15:06.32 | tumnus | ) |
| 15:13.19 | mbjohn | tumnus: yeah, i tried that too, to no avail :-/ for some reason it won't blow away the stuff that I had before I threw OZ on there. I installed ssh and a term program on there, and they're still there, even after a format :( |
| 15:18.29 | tumnus | Strange, as root, run this command: cd /; tar xvf /root/.home_default.tar && tar xvf /root/.dev_default.tar && tar xvf /root/.var_default.tar |
| 15:18.47 | tumnus | Then reboot |
| 15:21.32 | espn | i heard that one can download ipk files to install software,but seems a lot of software comes in the form of .tar.gz or .tar.bz...so how do i install sucjh s file? |
| 15:21.52 | mbjohn | tumnus: I'll give that a try...thanks! |
| 15:22.10 | MG_Tak | mbjohn: what model do you have? I tried using format on a 5600 and it doesn't erase everything |
| 15:22.13 | MG_Tak | it's really weird |
| 15:22.24 | mbjohn | MG_Tak: sl-5600 :( |
| 15:22.29 | mbjohn | it is weird |
| 15:30.21 | mbjohn | tumnus: rebooting now, with fingers crossed :) |
| 15:34.39 | mbjohn | argh, that didn't work either..... |
| 15:40.03 | tumnus | mbjohn: Are you sure the flash worked properly? Did you see the flash process give the progress for the zImage.bin and initrd.bin files? If either of these are named wrong (it may be case sensitive too), it fails silently |
| 15:40.56 | mbjohn | tumnus: I was curious about that --- I have initrd.bin and zImage ....should it be zImage.bin? |
| 15:41.08 | mbjohn | because I only saw one status bar |
| 15:41.09 | tumnus | Yes |
| 15:41.19 | mbjohn | aaaaah, that's counter to the instructions :( |
| 15:42.01 | mbjohn | tumnus: thanks for that....I'm going to try that now! |
| 15:43.41 | mbjohn | ok, have zImage.bin and initrd.bin on the card.... |
| 15:49.32 | mbjohn | tumnus: that did it!!! (I think) |
| 15:52.35 | mbjohn | thank you sooooo much! |
| 15:53.09 | tumnus | mbjohn: You're welcome. Glad it worked :) |
| 15:57.24 | mbjohn | me too....I was afraid the stupid thing was permanently screwed and useless.... |
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| 17:49.30 | n_flag | anyone do much java development on their Z? |
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| 19:11.11 | mbjohn | does anyone happen to know the url for the publicly available ipkg repo for the 5600? |
| 19:11.30 | mbjohn | I had it before I b0rk3d my zaurus earlier and I can't remember where I found it |
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| 21:17.51 | downtime_ | has anyone here had any luck getting the Kompany rom with the sharp PIMs to sync with qtopiadesktop on linux? |
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| 21:50.45 | treke | it isnt compatible. |
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| 22:09.23 | Choucky | Hi there ... Anybody's here ? |
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| 22:09.46 | Choucky | hi IRVKEN |
| 22:10.13 | Choucky | Did someone already made a NAD BACKUP ? |
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| 22:10.20 | Choucky | NAND BACKUP |
| 22:10.27 | kergoth | what about it? |
| 22:10.37 | irvken | what's a NAD backup? |
| 22:10.50 | Choucky | I need to do one, but its say file format is not good ... |
| 22:10.50 | treke | a copy of my knads |
| 22:11.25 | Choucky | NAND BACKUP to restore the ROM ... (when you skrew up everything) |
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| 22:11.59 | Choucky | Kergoth did you already proceed a NAND BACKUP ? |
| 22:12.12 | kergoth | why do you care? |
| 22:12.25 | kergoth | yes, i've used the nand backup to recover my completed fcuked up c750 before |
| 22:12.28 | Choucky | because your experience may help me ... ! |
| 22:12.55 | Choucky | Did you have any trouble to succeed doing it ? |
| 22:13.01 | kergoth | no problems at all. |
| 22:13.06 | Choucky | was it from a CF card ? |
| 22:13.06 | kergoth | the nadn backup is *HUGE* |
| 22:13.11 | kergoth | i had to borrow a big card from a friend |
| 22:13.58 | Choucky | I bought one, (256 Mo) ... but some how, Zaurus read the file ... start to process it, but failed pretending a bad format ... |
| 22:14.11 | kergoth | read what file? |
| 22:14.22 | Choucky | Can it be the file ? or is it a sign of bad card (as I know it may not work on all CF card) ? |
| 22:14.36 | Choucky | the SYSTC860.DBK |
| 22:14.40 | Choucky | 130 Mo |
| 22:15.13 | kergoth | so you did a backup, then a restore from that backup? |
| 22:15.52 | Choucky | No, I screw up averything, then downloaded a ROM file from teh Internet and try to restore the ROM |
| 22:15.56 | Choucky | Japaneese on |
| 22:16.15 | kergoth | so, how do you know the rom you dwonloaded is good? |
| 22:16.21 | kergoth | how do you know it iddnt get corrupted during the download? |
| 22:16.26 | kergoth | did you download in ascii or binary mode/ |
| 22:16.57 | Choucky | I have downlaod from http in zip ormat then unzipped it ... |
| 22:17.36 | Choucky | It may be the file ... (That what I hope) ... |
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| 22:18.05 | Choucky | do you have an idea where to get a SYSTC860.DBK file ? |
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| 23:16.28 | treke | !go away |
| 23:19.07 | ljp | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.46 | warmi | uh ...easy to say when one doesn't have to face -20 weather |
| 23:21.09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:21.55 | warmi | kergoth: you are lucky dude as well ... aren't you ? a big difference between MN and TX |
| 23:22.05 | kergoth | oh yeah, big difference |
| 23:22.07 | kergoth | love it |
| 23:22.11 | kergoth | not going back |
| 23:22.53 | warmi | but there is a dark side to it .... in the summer ... I thought humidity in Chicago was bad but it is nowhere near as bad as it is in some parts of TX |
| 23:23.03 | kergoth | indeed |
| 23:29.21 | mewyn | hey warmi |
| 23:39.11 | warmi | hi mewyn |
| 23:43.01 | mewyn | lovely weather, huh? |
| 23:44.09 | warmi | I am about to embark on a long walk to Union Station.... it sucks |
| 23:44.24 | warmi | I need to get myself a ski mask aka "terrorist hat" :-) |
| 23:45.42 | mewyn | lol |
| 23:45.53 | mewyn | my friend should be here soon to pick me up |
| 23:46.08 | mewyn | i'm glad i don't have to stand around on the farging cold l platform |
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| 23:46.50 | warmi | well, once I get to the station it is all indoors so no problem |
| 23:46.57 | warmi | the walk is the problem though |
| 23:47.23 | warmi | altought I will be facing south mostly which is not so bad considering that this shit is coming from the north ( as usual) |
| 23:49.50 | mewyn | yah |