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| 00:13.55 | cyn_ | and the screen gives me wet dreams |
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| 16:04.49 | absentia | does anyone know how "du" gets its size numbers? |
| 16:05.46 | absentia | ah, stats each file for size.... |
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| 16:45.23 | absentia | hmmm |
| 16:45.28 | absentia | I think I found a bug in du! |
| 16:46.20 | rev|lib | ? |
| 16:46.29 | absentia | scottyelich [6818]> ls -la d |
| 16:46.29 | absentia | total 12 |
| 16:46.29 | absentia | drwxr-xr-x 2 scott spygrp 4096 Jan 9 10:44 . |
| 16:46.29 | absentia | drwxr-xr-x 7 scott spygrp 4096 Jan 9 10:44 .. |
| 16:46.29 | absentia | -rw-r--r-- 1 scott spygrp 145 Jan 9 10:44 cal |
| 16:46.29 | absentia | scottyelich [6819]> du -b d |
| 16:46.31 | absentia | 8192 d |
| 16:46.50 | absentia | where is du getting 8192 from ? |
| 16:46.58 | rev|lib | 4096 + 4096 |
| 16:46.59 | absentia | the total is 4241 ? |
| 16:47.08 | rev|lib | er |
| 16:47.11 | absentia | where is the second 4096 ? |
| 16:47.14 | rev|lib | . and .. |
| 16:47.21 | rev|lib | though that certainly doesn't accoutn for the 145 of cal |
| 16:47.26 | absentia | exactly |
| 16:47.40 | rev|lib | i bet it's not a bug, but some assfunkiness with sectors or inodes or roudnign |
| 16:47.49 | absentia | cal > cal2 |
| 16:47.49 | absentia | scottyelich [6825]> du -b . |
| 16:47.49 | absentia | 12288 . |
| 16:47.49 | absentia | scottyelich [6826]> ls -la |
| 16:47.49 | absentia | total 16 |
| 16:47.50 | absentia | drwxr-xr-x 2 scott spygrp 4096 Jan 9 10:47 . |
| 16:47.52 | absentia | drwxr-xr-x 7 scott spygrp 4096 Jan 9 10:44 .. |
| 16:47.54 | absentia | -rw-r--r-- 1 scott spygrp 145 Jan 9 10:44 cal |
| 16:47.56 | absentia | -rw-r--r-- 1 scott spygrp 145 Jan 9 10:47 cal2 |
| 16:47.58 | absentia | where is it getting 12288 ? |
| 16:48.35 | treke | 3 * 4096 |
| 16:48.47 | treke | there are 3 files ., cal, and cal2 |
| 16:49.00 | absentia | cal > cal3 |
| 16:49.00 | absentia | scottyelich [6833]> du -b . |
| 16:49.00 | absentia | 16384 . |
| 16:49.07 | absentia | it's using the total for "." and not the files. |
| 16:49.24 | treke | erm, "." contains the files |
| 16:49.30 | absentia | yes |
| 16:49.32 | treke | therefore their size is included |
| 16:49.35 | absentia | but it's using "." 3 times |
| 16:49.36 | absentia | or 4 times |
| 16:49.41 | absentia | and not . once, and then the sizes of those files. |
| 16:49.43 | treke | no it isnt |
| 16:49.49 | absentia | ? |
| 16:50.01 | treke | it's using . once and the space used by those files |
| 16:50.07 | absentia | huh? |
| 16:50.11 | absentia | those file are 145 bytes. |
| 16:50.24 | absentia | the total is 4096 + 145 * 3 = 4531 |
| 16:50.30 | treke | but are probably using 4096k of space |
| 16:50.37 | absentia | treke: aha! |
| 16:50.41 | absentia | that makes sense... |
| 16:51.04 | absentia | so, how can I tell *that* size.... using "stat" |
| 16:51.09 | treke | man mke2fs and look at the block size option :) |
| 16:51.24 | Foxdie | new news post on the ZUG about the SL6000 spec |
| 16:51.25 | absentia | I would need to go up to the next increment of 4096... |
| 16:52.17 | treke | absentia: I'm gonna guess it's stat.st_blksize * stat.st_blocks |
| 16:52.39 | absentia | so |
| 16:52.49 | absentia | all du output should be a multiple of 4096, then, right ? |
| 16:52.56 | absentia | without symlinks? |
| 16:53.06 | treke | yup |
| 16:53.11 | absentia | or do symlinks also take up 4096? |
| 16:53.11 | rev|lib | pfft lame |
| 16:53.26 | treke | rev|lib: eh? |
| 16:53.31 | rev|lib | every 6k models should have both wifi and bt for wghat they'll prolly be charging for them :P |
| 16:53.32 | treke | rev|lib: it's just trying to be accurate |
| 16:53.38 | rev|lib | http://zaurususergroup.com/ |
| 16:53.43 | rev|lib | i don't mean du treke :) |
| 16:54.12 | absentia | hmm, treke... seems to be correct.... so far. |
| 16:55.18 | absentia | I wonder if du keeps track for extra bytes used by symlinks... when going up a tree |
| 16:55.25 | absentia | and if it gets over 4000 ... it adds it in |
| 16:55.34 | treke | absentia: ? |
| 16:55.49 | absentia | symlinks are the length of the path they point to |
| 16:55.52 | absentia | ln -s .. up |
| 16:55.53 | absentia | is 2 |
| 16:55.59 | absentia | ln -s ../.. 2up |
| 16:56.03 | treke | I mean the "if it gets over 4000" |
| 16:56.10 | absentia | = 5 bytes |
| 16:56.21 | absentia | well, I have a dir with 1 symlink to .. |
| 16:56.34 | absentia | and the total is still without those bytes. |
| 16:56.41 | absentia | as if they're 0 |
| 16:56.57 | absentia | so it's like it's keeping the total of true bytes, not blocks... ? |
| 16:57.14 | absentia | in other words, will synlimks in a dir EVER change the du output value ? |
| 16:57.16 | absentia | I'm testing now |
| 16:57.44 | absentia | just did ln -s ../../ (with about 600 chars) long |
| 16:57.45 | treke | du doesnt seem to take them into account |
| 16:57.46 | absentia | just did ln -s ../../ (with about 600 chars) long1 |
| 16:57.46 | absentia | just did ln -s ../../ (with about 600 chars) long2 |
| 16:57.50 | absentia | ya |
| 16:57.59 | absentia | maybe I should not try to duplicate du |
| 16:58.05 | absentia | and just do true byte count |
| 16:58.07 | absentia | as that's more accurate |
| 16:58.16 | absentia | and will be more accurate if a fs has a differen't block size. |
| 16:58.51 | treke | du -apparent-size |
| 16:58.54 | treke | -- |
| 16:59.06 | absentia | scottyelich [6887]> du -b sym |
| 16:59.06 | absentia | 4096 sym |
| 16:59.12 | absentia | scottyelich [6888]> x sym |
| 16:59.17 | absentia | ts[28672] |
| 16:59.18 | absentia | yup |
| 16:59.20 | absentia | ignores symlinks |
| 16:59.48 | absentia | my du doesn't have -apparent-size |
| 16:59.57 | treke | might be a gnu extention |
| 17:00.10 | absentia | yup |
| 17:00.22 | absentia | gnu extensions are usually longer (most of the time are also valid with --) . |
| 17:00.33 | absentia | oh well, I think I'll just have my program count bytes. no need to try to match du |
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| 17:03.10 | elnemo | my Opera stopped working from the launcher thingy. |
| 17:03.17 | elnemo | I open it from the terminal and it works |
| 17:03.21 | absentia | scottyelich [6913]> perl -e 'print "x" x 22000' > 22k |
| 17:03.23 | absentia | hehe |
| 17:03.46 | elnemo | but gives the error: cannot read directory /usr/mnt.rom/cf/.operasave |
| 17:03.58 | elnemo | I can't create that folder because it's in the ROM |
| 17:04.01 | elnemo | what to do??? |
| 17:04.16 | rev|lib | heh |
| 17:04.16 | rev|lib | nothing |
| 17:04.19 | rev|lib | buy a mac and tape it to a pda |
| 17:05.27 | elnemo | rev|lib, was that answer for me? |
| 17:05.34 | treke | ibot, seen George-? |
| 17:05.41 | | george- <~george@adsl-165-63.freeuk.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 3d 18h 15m 44s ago, saying: 'GREG'. |
| 17:05.41 | absentia | perl -e '$x = 22000; $x=int(($x/4096)+1)*4096+(4096*4); print "x[$x]\n";' |
| 17:05.52 | treke | that bitch better show up soon |
| 17:06.03 | absentia | yup, that matches du for a dir (4096) + 2 sub dirs (4096/4096), 1 145byte file (4096) and 1 22K file. |
| 17:06.17 | absentia | treke: need someone to smak'round ? |
| 17:06.34 | treke | absentia: remember though, 4096 isn't a constant it may very from file system to file system |
| 17:06.41 | absentia | right |
| 17:06.48 | absentia | I wish I could find out what it is... easily. |
| 17:06.56 | treke | stat() |
| 17:07.00 | absentia | doesn't matter. |
| 17:07.13 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.15 | absentia | ah |
| 17:07.40 | treke | the $_blksize :) |
| 17:07.40 | absentia | just use like you said... $_blocks * $_blksize |
| 17:07.42 | absentia | yup |
| 17:08.16 | absentia | so my program could have an option to use that, or $size... got it |
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| 17:11.51 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.51 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.02 | absentia | check file size ./22k: size[22000] total[98304] |
| 17:12.02 | absentia | bklsize[4096] blocks[48] |
| 17:12.09 | absentia | check file size ./1: size[4096] total[32768] |
| 17:12.09 | absentia | bklsize[4096] blocks[8] |
| 17:12.15 | absentia | seems the blocks # is really off. |
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| 17:20.54 | elnemo | I don't have a Network card people talk about "usb networkign" does that mean that you can access the network (and internet) through the Cradle |
| 17:22.59 | rev|lib | yes |
| 17:23.00 | rev|lib | usbnet |
| 17:23.04 | rev|lib | need to have a driver on the desktop |
| 17:23.19 | rev|lib | works great on mac os, though i've heard people run into problems on linux and windows |
| 17:23.19 | elnemo | does it work with windows 2000? |
| 17:25.30 | rev|lib | yup |
| 17:27.39 | elnemo | OK, thanks, will try it out... got an url on the top of your head, if not I'll do the googling |
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| 18:23.19 | earHurts | how do I change password restrictions? |
| 18:24.17 | raduga | how well do 240x320 applications run on the 640x480 screen? |
| 18:24.50 | raduga | do they work in a small box in the middle of the screen, or do they simply not work at all? (or die in annoying and frustrating ways?) |
| 18:24.54 | earHurts | 4 times as well |
| 18:25.25 | raduga | they don't stretch to fit the full screen, I imagine. |
| 18:26.35 | earHurts | Try it and find out? |
| 18:29.04 | absentia | re |
| 18:29.16 | absentia | some that can't change to e the larger res |
| 18:29.21 | absentia | work in a smaller window in the upper left.. |
| 18:29.26 | absentia | others that are less well behaves |
| 18:29.36 | absentia | resize to the large screen, but the layout is bad.... almost unusable. |
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| 18:35.23 | raduga | earHurts: I'd love to try it and find out, |
| 18:35.57 | raduga | but at the moment, to try and find out before I buy one, I'd have to fly over tothe Eastern Hemisphere |
| 18:36.43 | raduga | absentia: what's the most common? |
| 18:38.40 | absentia | raduga: that was for another channel |
| 18:39.06 | absentia | most common is that things run in 320x240 ... if you run them in 640x480, then it's a small window in the upper left.. |
| 18:39.14 | absentia | with the layout garbage ones being only a few. |
| 18:39.24 | absentia | oh, and a fourth... some apps ... do resize... and work well. |
| 18:40.48 | raduga | is there any particular reason to stick with official Sharp roms, over cacko or some other cobble? |
| 18:41.09 | raduga | (do only Sharp roms have Hancom, et al?) |
| 18:42.11 | absentia | no |
| 18:42.18 | absentia | I have had cacko 1.17 on my 760 for a long time |
| 18:42.24 | absentia | and havebeen extremely happy with it. |
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| 18:42.32 | absentia | you can get the hancom for sharp compatible roms... easily. |
| 18:43.12 | absentia | I just like opera (opera 7?) on the pda. |
| 18:43.12 | absentia | that's so nice. |
| 18:43.17 | earHurts | opera sucks |
| 18:44.02 | earHurts | the pda reformating gets rid of italics. |
| 18:44.08 | rev|lib | uhh |
| 18:44.12 | rev|lib | then don't use "pda reformatting" |
| 18:44.23 | rev|lib | the pda reformatting kind of blows as it is, at least for me |
| 18:44.27 | rev|lib | so i use it without |
| 18:44.40 | raduga | OZ is !sharp_compatible, eh? |
| 18:44.52 | absentia | ya |
| 18:45.01 | absentia | I've found little use for the thin window button. |
| 18:45.08 | raduga | OZ uses newer kernels? |
| 18:45.13 | absentia | only if I'm reading a very large simple text page in a large font |
| 18:45.15 | absentia | I might click it |
| 18:45.20 | absentia | otherwise, I leave it off. |
| 18:45.34 | absentia | oz is probably a very good place to go, eventually... |
| 18:45.41 | absentia | but it's still a developer's system (in my opinion) ... |
| 18:45.54 | earHurts | I use it for slashdot, but without italics, it's confusing |
| 18:46.10 | earHurts | thing is, it appears to work off some css files |
| 18:46.23 | earHurts | which are encrypted |
| 18:46.33 | absentia | ? |
| 18:47.00 | earHurts | look in the operas directory, there are there .css files |
| 18:48.00 | earHurts | can any alternate rom be installed only on sd, like knoppix? |
| 18:48.58 | raduga | uh. |
| 18:49.03 | absentia | knoppix? |
| 18:49.08 | absentia | bleagh |
| 18:49.10 | raduga | are you saying that WITH italics, slashdot is not confusing? |
| 18:49.24 | absentia | look at www.pocketworkstation.com .... zdebian |
| 18:49.57 | earHurts | well.... |
| 18:50.18 | earHurts | I and other italicize quotes being replied to |
| 19:02.46 | raduga | <i>I find html tags easier on the eyes than <blink>stupid</blink> font tricks.</i> |
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| 19:23.53 | oGLOWo | is it possible to sync sl5500 new ROM with linux yet? |
| 19:24.40 | treke | oGLOWo: no |
| 19:25.23 | oGLOWo | damn :(... So it will never be possible or is there anything in the works from sharp? |
| 19:25.38 | treke | probably never be possible |
| 19:26.39 | oGLOWo | ok... one more thing... I'm trying to compile my app so that it works on the new roms. what dev packages do i need to change to do that? |
| 19:26.55 | treke | the same ones will work |
| 19:27.39 | oGLOWo | hmmm... so same gcc 2.95, glibc arm 2.2.2? |
| 19:27.50 | treke | yes |
| 19:28.42 | oGLOWo | is there a difference in the way the ipk's work for the new ROM? i have an ipk for my app that worked for the original 5500 rom but it wont install on the new rom |
| 19:28.58 | treke | none that I know of |
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| 19:35.50 | raduga | any recommended alternate to Dynamism for 7x0? |
| 19:39.21 | oGLOWo | exit |
| 19:39.29 | absentia | what's wrong with dynamism ? |
| 19:39.38 | treke | overpriced? |
| 19:39.51 | absentia | smeone said that they'd price match |
| 19:39.52 | absentia | not sure if it's true, or not |
| 19:40.06 | raduga | dynamism looks fine, aside from price |
| 19:40.16 | treke | They'd probably pricematch for similar products, doubt they pricematch a straight import |
| 19:40.17 | raduga | is the 760 no longer in production? |
| 19:40.19 | absentia | zaurus.spy.org/#PURCHASE |
| 19:40.23 | absentia | correct. |
| 19:40.47 | raduga | absentia: heh. how much are YOU charging? |
| 19:41.05 | absentia | *grin* |
| 19:50.43 | lekter | Foxdie, are you crazy? |
| 19:50.47 | Foxdie | why? |
| 19:50.57 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.04 | treke | they keyboard looks horrible |
| 19:51.10 | lekter | C760 is VERY MUCH BETTER unit than 6000x |
| 19:51.14 | treke | looks like a 5500 keyboard |
| 19:51.20 | lekter | and bigger |
| 19:51.36 | Foxdie | I don't use my zaurus much as I'm too lazy to reflash it |
| 19:53.58 | raduga | absentia: in the images I've seen, the 700 membrane keyboard *looks* more substantial and the keys appear to be larger and better defined, than the 750/760/860. is this an optical illusion? |
| 19:54.13 | raduga | (i.e. are they really the same keyboard with different colored dye?) |
| 19:54.15 | absentia | yes |
| 19:54.17 | Foxdie | I would have used a sony peg ux50 more than this zaurus |
| 19:54.46 | Foxdie | </blasphemy> |
| 19:55.54 | raduga | The UX50 looks and feels very nice to me. I *like* the way it fits in the hand, and it seems like it could be a useful device... |
| 19:56.08 | raduga | ...until you turn it on, and see the bloated hog they've turned palmos into |
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| 20:03.25 | usual | does cisco make cf cards? |
| 20:13.32 | gerrynjr | I got my gps cable! |
| 20:13.33 | gerrynjr | woohoo! |
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| 20:22.15 | SuN | usual: I have a Cisco CF card, it's just a rebranded Sandisk. |
| 20:23.01 | usual | SuN, I wasn't sure if cisco made wireless cf cards |
| 20:24.30 | SuN | Oh |
| 20:24.42 | SuN | I know they make PCMCIA wlan cards, not sure about CF. |
| 20:27.31 | JasonM | I don't think they have. |
| 20:42.05 | gerrynjr | reddog_> just got the cable! |
| 20:42.08 | gerrynjr | how long to get a fix? |
| 20:42.43 | treke | did you ever get the shit out from under your LCD? |
| 20:43.05 | gerrynjr | treke> a long time ago ;-D |
| 20:43.09 | usual | what would you guys suggest for cleaning my z screen |
| 20:43.13 | usual | or protecting it |
| 20:43.17 | treke | usual: sand paper |
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| 20:43.50 | usual | treke, no PROTECT IT |
| 20:43.51 | usual | heh |
| 20:44.37 | rev|lib | umm |
| 20:44.38 | rev|lib | usual |
| 20:44.40 | rev|lib | sandpaper |
| 20:44.46 | usual | eh? |
| 20:45.03 | rev|lib | it protects |
| 20:45.21 | usual | how could sandpaper protect a screen |
| 20:45.35 | rev|lib | dude |
| 20:45.38 | rev|lib | how cuold it *not*? |
| 20:45.39 | rev|lib | that' |
| 20:45.40 | rev|lib | er |
| 20:45.49 | gerrynjr | usual> it protecte dmy screen form mites :_D |
| 20:45.53 | gerrynjr | from mites :-D |
| 20:46.05 | usual | I mean protect it and still keep it usable |
| 20:46.12 | usual | not cover it |
| 20:46.17 | rev|lib | why would it use usability? |
| 20:46.27 | rev|lib | this is a pda we're talking about |
| 20:46.32 | rev|lib | not a newborn baby |
| 20:46.32 | gerrynjr | usual> it was fine, i rubbed it on the screen, mites went away |
| 20:46.36 | gerrynjr | everyting was great :-D |
| 20:46.40 | usual | ok |
| 20:49.32 | rev|lib | do you follow? |
| 20:49.50 | usual | no haha |
| 20:50.09 | usual | the smooth side of sandpaper? |
| 20:50.21 | usual | a really fine grain sandpaper? |
| 20:52.11 | rev|lib | is this your first pda i assume? |
| 20:52.22 | rev|lib | no offense or anything |
| 20:52.36 | YeiazeI | :) |
| 20:53.04 | usual | yes |
| 20:53.05 | usual | it is |
| 20:53.30 | rev|lib | ok, thought so |
| 20:53.34 | rev|lib | because if it wasn't |
| 20:53.40 | rev|lib | i'd be really surprised you haven't foudn this out already |
| 20:53.40 | usual | heh |
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| 21:01.25 | gerrynjr | usual> sand paper is an abrasive |
| 21:01.32 | gerrynjr | do not use it on your Z :_D |
| 21:01.41 | usual | :) |
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| 21:08.38 | raduga | I'll say the *worst* screen, for cleaning, on any portable I've seen, is the panasonic toughbook |
| 21:08.59 | raduga | their manual recommends "only wipe with a dry cloth. NOTHING ELSE." |
| 21:09.51 | raduga | of course, mine collected oils from fingerprints and other crud, so their recommended dry cloth only succeeded in smearing the oils around a bit. |
| 21:10.11 | raduga | I tried water, it just rolled off, didn't clean |
| 21:10.16 | usual | it's 3 degree's out |
| 21:10.39 | raduga | tried alcohol / ammonia/ simple green / a few other surfactants, |
| 21:10.58 | raduga | but every thing I'd tried either damaged the coating or made the problem worse. |
| 21:11.43 | raduga | according to Google, the only way anyone's ever managed to clean one without damage, has been "clean dry cloth" but of course, as soon as you get oils on it, that won't work anymore. |
| 21:11.58 | raduga | in other words, there is NO WAY to clean the screen, if it gets soiled. |
| 21:12.29 | usual | sucks |
| 21:14.38 | raduga | now, you might be thinking, "its a laptop. Just don't touch the bloody screen" |
| 21:15.28 | raduga | but the LCD is a touchscreen, and there is no stylus available, so this maddening untouchable screen is sitting there mocking the user, daring them to touch it, and leave fingerprints that can't ever be removed. |
| 21:17.56 | usual | rough |
| 21:18.57 | gerrynjr | reddog_> got a moment? |
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