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| 01:36.26 | aCrackOtter | Is there a 2.6 kernel ROM out yet for the Zaurus? |
| 01:36.36 | treke | no |
| 01:37.38 | aCrackOtter | Ahhh I saw mention of this : theKompany.rom, 2.6.0-test9 , so was looking for it |
| 01:38.14 | treke | where did you see this? |
| 01:41.15 | aCrackOtter | treke: A post on one of the Gentoo forums .. http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=109207&highlight=zaurus .. why? |
| 01:41.39 | treke | he's suing 2.6.0-test9 on his desktop |
| 01:41.46 | treke | using |
| 01:43.07 | aCrackOtter | treke: Really?? my bad then.. I do know there are plans for a 2.6 Zaurus kernel..I had hoped it had been released already <sigh> |
| 01:43.25 | treke | probably not for a while :) |
| 01:45.39 | absentia | irk ? |
| 01:46.09 | absentia | damn, lagged. |
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| 02:02.41 | absentia | quietness |
| 02:04.14 | ljp | http://www.trolltech.com/campaign/maccontest.html |
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| 02:06.57 | absentia | work will give most people mac laptops |
| 02:06.59 | absentia | if they want them |
| 02:07.02 | absentia | I haven't asked for one, yet. |
| 02:07.07 | absentia | I probably should. |
| 02:08.03 | ljp | ya and join that contest |
| 02:09.16 | absentia | naw |
| 02:09.19 | absentia | I'm so far behind in my work |
| 02:09.23 | absentia | although pyqt is in there. |
| 02:09.25 | ljp | bah! work |
| 02:09.39 | absentia | I mean |
| 02:09.41 | absentia | my todo list |
| 02:09.55 | ljp | just delete your todo list, then |
| 02:10.00 | absentia | my work work... allows me the flexibility to do stuff |
| 02:10.10 | absentia | alas, I could work on the contest at work, etc. |
| 02:10.11 | absentia | :-) |
| 02:10.17 | absentia | ljp: done that more than you know. |
| 02:10.22 | absentia | if it's important, it will come back. |
| 02:10.29 | absentia | I haven't worn a watch in over... uh... 15 years? |
| 02:10.46 | absentia | I didn't have a cell phone until I moved here, etc.. just wasn't a need. |
| 02:11.19 | absentia | besides |
| 02:11.30 | absentia | I'm not a programmer who whould be allowed to distribute code. |
| 02:12.39 | absentia | gerry: look at the top / latest story (ibm to move to linux desktop by end of '05) ... |
| 02:13.03 | ljp | hmmm |
| 02:14.34 | absentia | my high quality cdrs came in |
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| 02:38.32 | absentia | wow |
| 02:38.35 | absentia | my cdrs .. are old. |
| 02:38.38 | absentia | :-< |
| 02:50.54 | treke|home | good lord usb serial cables are expensive |
| 02:51.06 | absentia | scsi cables use to be insane |
| 02:51.44 | treke|home | still looks cheaper than a usb modem |
| 02:54.02 | absentia | I need to find a way to clone cds ... with unix/freebsd. |
| 02:54.15 | treke|home | audio or data? |
| 02:54.24 | treke|home | either would be fairly simple |
| 02:56.52 | absentia | audio |
| 02:57.18 | absentia | the issue is that I need to make a list of files that are failing... blah. I hate bitrot |
| 02:57.29 | treke|home | check cdrdao |
| 02:57.36 | absentia | ya? |
| 02:57.43 | absentia | I mean, data disks... sorry.. have mp3s. |
| 02:58.02 | absentia | all my cds (pure audio) were stolen |
| 02:58.14 | absentia | I'm trying to prevent the working mp3 copies that I did make.. from failing more |
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| 02:59.57 | absentia | gzip -d -c /cds/#000INDEX/all.gz | egrep -i '\.mp3' | wc -l |
| 02:59.57 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.01 | absentia | I made like 99% of those... |
| 03:00.03 | absentia | from my cds. |
| 03:01.03 | absentia | but I wonder if it was just flaky freebsd 5.1 that gave me errors |
| 03:01.03 | absentia | so far, I haven't had a disc fail.. now... |
| 03:01.06 | absentia | before, I was seeing 40% failure |
| 03:01.20 | absentia | so much so, I was going to write a program to reconstruct my files from snippets. |
| 03:03.10 | absentia | I made all my mp3s at 192bits... it was the highest my portable mp3 player could handle.. at the time. |
| 03:03.20 | absentia | have you tried that ogg format? is it any good ? |
| 03:05.33 | treke|home | I use ogg/vorbis for most of my music |
| 03:06.08 | absentia | does it compress better than mp3? |
| 03:06.11 | absentia | does it sound better? |
| 03:06.16 | absentia | is it any less cpu intensive? |
| 03:06.22 | treke|home | sounds the same to me |
| 03:06.31 | absentia | ah |
| 03:06.32 | absentia | heheh |
| 03:06.38 | treke|home | sound is sound :) |
| 03:06.38 | absentia | I can hear the diff of 128/160/192 bits, etc. |
| 03:06.41 | absentia | not to me. |
| 03:06.50 | absentia | I can't listen to am... gives me a headache. |
| 03:07.31 | treke|home | as for size and cpu usage, I've got a 120gb hard drive and 2 2ghz athlons, so i don't really check :) |
| 03:07.41 | absentia | er... |
| 03:07.44 | absentia | not my point |
| 03:07.52 | absentia | have you ever seen what bzip2 does to your cpu ? |
| 03:08.12 | absentia | disk space is cheap... unless there's a hard physical limit (cd, etc) ... I use gzip -6 ... |
| 03:09.02 | absentia | hmmm. nice.. no errors so far. |
| 03:09.16 | absentia | you'll probably have to do a large file. |
| 03:09.38 | absentia | is your system a dual athlon? that's pretty nice. |
| 03:09.46 | absentia | how much would it cost to get a mobo like that, etc? |
| 03:09.48 | treke|home | 50% of one of them. Not much of a loss |
| 03:09.59 | absentia | I can't decide if i want a single 2.8+ or what. |
| 03:10.12 | absentia | hmm. on just about any single cpu machine, it kills it. |
| 03:10.19 | absentia | bzip2 kills it. |
| 03:10.33 | treke|home | if the scheduler is doing its job, bzip2 should be getting tossed into the background for interactive processes :p |
| 03:11.06 | treke|home | lemme see what this mother board is going for now |
| 03:11.49 | absentia | ya, I agree. |
| 03:12.15 | absentia | I can get a 512mb ram, 2.5? 2.8? athlon... 120gb system for like $700 at j&r |
| 03:12.39 | absentia | I think it has some decent gfx and sound |
| 03:12.49 | absentia | I'd then be able to put my ati 9700 pro into it... since I've had that card for a year |
| 03:12.50 | absentia | and no computer |
| 03:12.53 | absentia | heheh |
| 03:13.19 | absentia | I decided to get a zaurus instead of a game machine. |
| 03:13.25 | absentia | I think I made the right decision. |
| 03:14.31 | treke|home | the dual ahtlon boards are geting tougher to find |
| 03:14.46 | absentia | looks like IBM vs MS battle brewing ... |
| 03:14.51 | absentia | http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13485 |
| 03:14.55 | absentia | ya |
| 03:14.58 | absentia | I guess I don't need dual. |
| 03:15.01 | treke|home | I think I payed about 150 |
| 03:15.02 | absentia | probably not worth it.... |
| 03:15.05 | absentia | ah, not too bad. |
| 03:15.14 | absentia | what about... the 64bit thing.. what's it called? |
| 03:15.14 | treke|home | and 120 or so for each cpu |
| 03:15.18 | absentia | are there duals for that, yet ? |
| 03:15.21 | absentia | ya, not bad at all. |
| 03:15.27 | absentia | I cuold afford that. |
| 03:15.28 | treke|home | most opteron boards are dual capable |
| 03:15.33 | absentia | ah. cool. |
| 03:15.34 | treke|home | signficantly more expensive though |
| 03:15.39 | absentia | ya |
| 03:15.50 | absentia | I am still on my '99 500mhz celeron (now). |
| 03:15.54 | absentia | it's the fasted computer I have. |
| 03:15.57 | absentia | fastest. |
| 03:16.03 | treke|home | 1.4ghz opertn, 175 bucks :p |
| 03:16.11 | absentia | ah, that's not bad. |
| 03:16.18 | absentia | I can do $200+ per cpu, etc. |
| 03:16.48 | treke|home | looks like you can get a board for 150 |
| 03:17.04 | absentia | ok |
| 03:17.18 | absentia | man |
| 03:17.25 | absentia | my cdrom device in my laptop makes my cds HOT |
| 03:17.30 | treke|home | personally I wouldnt have been as happy with a single cpu board, but I think a lot of people would have been |
| 03:17.40 | absentia | for opteron |
| 03:17.44 | absentia | or for what yo uhave now |
| 03:17.49 | treke|home | for what I have now |
| 03:17.53 | absentia | I tend to bang the hell out of a machine. |
| 03:17.55 | absentia | ah. |
| 03:19.55 | treke|home | it feels much smoother with a copy of vmware running, an oz build going, and whatever game I'm playing |
| 03:20.11 | absentia | ya |
| 03:20.15 | absentia | that's good for duals. |
| 03:20.22 | absentia | I would always be banging the second. |
| 03:20.41 | absentia | when I get going, unless I'm coding, I usually have a few things going at once... and one is usually a compile. |
| 03:21.13 | treke|home | if i just wanted a web/gaming box, I'd have been much better off with the single cpu boards |
| 03:21.20 | absentia | ya |
| 03:24.26 | absentia | nice |
| 03:24.33 | absentia | the surface of this cdr looks like marble. |
| 03:29.15 | treke|home | shit. I'm out of space |
| 03:29.20 | absentia | hate that |
| 03:38.29 | treke|home | will out of space on /home, I still have about 60 gig on /stuf |
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| 03:59.17 | absentia | re |
| 03:59.39 | kergoth | hey absentia |
| 04:01.03 | absentia | q: if you don't use your Z at all anymore... why are you here? |
| 04:01.42 | treke|home | kergoth: when was the last time you used it? year ago? year and a half? :p |
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| 04:14.59 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:17.35 | treke|home | there. freed up 40 gb |
| 04:17.40 | absentia | heheh |
| 04:17.57 | absentia | I think freebsd 5.2-current fixed the data death I saw on cds with 5.1! |
| 04:18.01 | absentia | 0 errors! |
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| 04:20.32 | treke|home | actually, I think I can save another 10 gig by tweaking my vmware set up |
| 04:21.32 | absentia | so I'm back to the reloading phase. |
| 04:21.48 | absentia | of course I scrambled 100% of my paths (remember the symlink conversation) |
| 04:21.56 | absentia | so I'll probably end up with some dupes. |
| 04:22.12 | absentia | so now I'll have to write a program to find dupes in my structure. |
| 04:24.36 | treke|home | ugh. took long enough, now I dont want to leave :p |
| 04:24.44 | absentia | ha |
| 04:38.09 | absentia | ok |
| 04:38.12 | absentia | my cdrs are readable. |
| 04:38.21 | absentia | I wonder wtf happened with freebsd 5.1 |
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| 07:41.38 | ljp | steller: try the forums at zaurus.com |
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| 10:17.27 | ljp | hi |
| 10:18.36 | earHurts | I have a samba'd network I want mounted whenever a particular network connection is made. How can I make that happen automatically? |
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| 11:50.58 | Foxdie | everybody's dead dave |
| 11:51.07 | Foxdie | 2/74 active |
| 11:51.11 | Foxdie | aka you and me |
| 11:51.33 | jcsitte | :) |
| 11:51.43 | jcsitte | lol |
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| 14:22.10 | Mocara | does zaurus mean library in some language I don't know? |
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| 14:35.39 | MG_Tak | You're way off key anyway. |
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| 17:21.10 | raduga | hmf. |
| 17:21.35 | raduga | so. what's the C7xx keyboard like? |
| 17:21.53 | raduga | is it membraneous? is there any tactile feedback at all? |
| 17:26.01 | fliplap | no idea, i'm still rocking the SL-5500 |
| 17:26.10 | rev|lib | well |
| 17:26.12 | rev|lib | kind of in between |
| 17:26.16 | rev|lib | it gives a tiny bit of feedback |
| 17:26.26 | rev|lib | in the same way that a remote control's buttons do |
| 17:26.27 | rev|lib | er |
| 17:26.29 | rev|lib | not quite the same |
| 17:26.45 | rev|lib | the feedback is very much like any other thumboard |
| 17:27.07 | rev|lib | though the length pressed in is probably less than most i've used- tugnsten C, 5500, etc |
| 17:27.20 | raduga | is the feedback as good as on the 5500/5600? |
| 17:27.23 | raduga | hmm |
| 17:27.30 | treke | raduga: one more day :) |
| 17:27.32 | treke | rev|lib: |
| 17:27.35 | rev|lib | well, i dislike the 5x00 keyboard |
| 17:27.40 | rev|lib | so who knows |
| 17:27.41 | rev|lib | heh |
| 17:27.43 | rev|lib | trekekeke |
| 17:27.57 | raduga | is the keyboard one solid piece of plastic, or does it have separate keys? |
| 17:28.06 | rev|lib | one piece of plastic |
| 17:28.08 | rev|lib | though |
| 17:28.16 | rev|lib | keys are seperate in the sense they are raised seperately |
| 17:28.16 | rev|lib | but |
| 17:28.22 | rev|lib | it's not like a laptopish keyboard like some PDAs have |
| 17:28.31 | rev|lib | where the keys are different parts |
| 17:28.34 | raduga | oh, ok. they have a raised dimple at least? |
| 17:28.44 | rev|lib | more than a dimple |
| 17:28.44 | raduga | I still have yet to see one in person. |
| 17:28.57 | rev|lib | a rectangular sticking-up |
| 17:29.05 | rev|lib | 2x4mm or so |
| 17:29.44 | raduga | Until I see one with my own eyes, I'm going to have trouble believing that its better than the 5500's unfortunately :/ |
| 17:29.52 | Neo|Work | so from someone who hasn't paid attention for months, is anything actually happening on the Zaurus front? are they discontinued in the US yet? |
| 17:30.07 | raduga | (which is not a *great* kb, but at least the keys are segmented and separate. ) |
| 17:30.12 | treke | Neo|Work: In theory a new one is being released, but it's a $900 device |
| 17:30.25 | rev|lib | well |
| 17:30.32 | rev|lib | it is a better keyboard if only because it is spaced out |
| 17:30.37 | rev|lib | better for mat at least |
| 17:30.42 | Neo|Work | treke: ugh |
| 17:30.47 | rev|lib | i really did not like the 5x00's keyboard |
| 17:30.53 | Neo|Work | treke: I sure hope it makes coffee for that pricer |
| 17:31.04 | raduga | the new US zaurus is the 6x00? |
| 17:31.10 | treke | raduga: yes |
| 17:31.10 | Neo|Work | rev|lib: compared to no keyboard, it's real nice |
| 17:31.25 | treke | Neo|Work: Dont know what is on that model |
| 17:31.26 | Neo|Work | 6x00 == C7x0? |
| 17:31.29 | rev|lib | Neo|Work: well, that depends; for me, i'd rather have real HWR and sacrifice a keyboard |
| 17:31.29 | treke | Neo|Work: nope |
| 17:31.34 | rev|lib | Neo|Work: no, looks like a 5500 |
| 17:31.37 | Neo|Work | doh |
| 17:31.39 | rev|lib | but hopefully less ass-sucky |
| 17:31.44 | Neo|Work | idiotic |
| 17:31.48 | rev|lib | well |
| 17:31.52 | rev|lib | still a 640x480 screen |
| 17:31.56 | treke | except much bigge |
| 17:32.03 | Neo|Work | uh. ok |
| 17:32.10 | rev|lib | but not clamshell |
| 17:32.21 | raduga | is the screen actually 480x640? |
| 17:32.22 | Neo|Work | ah well, not that I really care. :P |
| 17:32.22 | treke | Neo|Work: http://www.zaurususergroup.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=77 |
| 17:32.27 | treke | raduga: yes |
| 17:32.32 | rev|lib | quite |
| 17:32.36 | rev|lib | a nice screen |
| 17:32.37 | Foxdie | who is neotron and his working associate? I haven't seen them before :) |
| 17:32.38 | treke | raduga: same as the c760 |
| 17:32.52 | rev|lib | hopefully more reflective than a c7x0 |
| 17:32.54 | raduga | rev: for a PDA to read my handwriting it would have to be psychic |
| 17:33.04 | rev|lib | raduga: my handwriting is ass |
| 17:33.06 | raduga | rev: even *I* can't read my own scrawl |
| 17:33.30 | Neo|Work | that keyboard seems to have too few keys |
| 17:33.34 | raduga | is the 7x0 screen useable in direct sunlight at all? |
| 17:33.36 | rev|lib | unless you have bad parkinsons, a good hwr system can decifer it as long as you correct it |
| 17:33.44 | treke | Neo|Work: hehe :) |
| 17:33.47 | Neo|Work | Foxdie: hmm? |
| 17:33.50 | treke | raduga: define usable |
| 17:33.54 | Foxdie | Never seen you before, just wondering who you are :) |
| 17:33.55 | treke | raduga: you can read it a bit |
| 17:34.01 | Neo|Work | Foxdie: know of Eon Games? |
| 17:34.11 | raduga | rev: but my hw is not consistent. I write letters differently all the time. |
| 17:34.15 | Foxdie | Of course |
| 17:34.17 | Neo|Work | Foxdie: I'm Eon Games |
| 17:34.21 | Foxdie | Ahh. |
| 17:34.27 | Foxdie | MAKE MORE GAMES FOR THE C760. |
| 17:34.30 | Foxdie | ;) |
| 17:34.42 | raduga | partly because I get annoyed with how poorly it looks and frequently self-correct. |
| 17:34.53 | rev|lib | heh |
| 17:35.14 | Neo|Work | give me a device and I might... |
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| 17:35.45 | Foxdie | ask offroadgeek, he loans out zaurus's to developers |
| 17:35.45 | Neo|Work | the game market for the zaurus isn't exactly exciting at the moment |
| 17:35.48 | treke | Neo|Work: There are supposed to be three models, with various combiniations of bluetooth and 802.11b built in |
| 17:36.02 | treke | it would be more exciting if someone would finish snails :) |
| 17:36.16 | Foxdie | there was one game written for a gaming device, I forget which one it was, it was a car racing game with the same engine that eon games uses for one of their space sim games |
| 17:36.30 | Neo|Work | snails is finished pretty much |
| 17:36.34 | Neo|Work | the delay is not programmatic... |
| 17:37.00 | Neo|Work | Foxdie: wonder what that is. :P |
| 17:37.10 | Foxdie | I forget it's name |
| 17:37.14 | Foxdie | it'd be great to see on the Zaurus |
| 17:37.21 | treke | eh, not like it would work well on the c7x0 anyways. |
| 17:37.25 | Foxdie | it was for a pda specifically designed for gaming |
| 17:37.33 | Foxdie | damn I can't remember it's name or the pda's name :( |
| 17:37.39 | rev|lib | tapwave? |
| 17:37.44 | Neo|Work | one note is that I port all games pretty much |
| 17:38.02 | Foxdie | port half-life :D |
| 17:38.15 | Neo|Work | also I did it all for the fun of it, but fun no longer cuts it I'm afraid. There's little to no financial reward for the time spent |
| 17:38.23 | Foxdie | Although that's dream-talk |
| 17:39.04 | Neo|Work | I will always keep to my opinion that for an FPS to be remotely fun on a PDA, it will have to have been designed for a PDA to begin with |
| 17:39.41 | rev|lib | yup |
| 17:39.43 | rev|lib | totally |
| 17:40.00 | Foxdie | and I suppose the moneys not there to design one from scratch just for the Z :( |
| 17:40.03 | rev|lib | or else it isn't much better than most other zaurus apps |
| 17:40.04 | rev|lib | heh |
| 17:40.09 | Foxdie | That breaks my heart. :( |
| 17:40.47 | rev|lib | we;; |
| 17:40.50 | rev|lib | er, well |
| 17:40.52 | rev|lib | you pay for it |
| 17:40.55 | rev|lib | and i'll do it for you |
| 17:41.02 | rev|lib | certainly shouldn't be a surprise |
| 17:41.05 | Neo|Work | PDA game development in general is a risky proposition |
| 17:41.16 | Neo|Work | Zaurus will never make money worth original development on its own |
| 17:41.22 | Neo|Work | .. for games at least |
| 17:41.29 | rev|lib | especially for a platform where people spit at the thouht of paying for any software |
| 17:41.46 | Neo|Work | actually, don't see that as a problem |
| 17:41.56 | Foxdie | I'd pay once for a good fps |
| 17:41.58 | Neo|Work | the main problem is market size and, franktly, market target audience and such |
| 17:42.06 | Neo|Work | that's a general problem with PDA's |
| 17:42.07 | Foxdie | like half-life rewritten from scratch |
| 17:42.12 | Foxdie | or equivelant |
| 17:42.36 | rev|lib | those thigns are also problems, yes; but when you have a small market with an even smaller percentage of people willing to pay, you're even in worse shape |
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| 17:43.17 | Neo|Work | rev|lib: Well, people haven't seem unwilling to pay per se |
| 17:43.24 | Neo|Work | haven't had any whiny emails etc. |
| 17:43.30 | Neo|Work | it's not like a linux desktop |
| 17:43.32 | rev|lib | i'm not talking abuot whining |
| 17:43.38 | rev|lib | home many people have bought snails? |
| 17:43.48 | Neo|Work | uh |
| 17:43.49 | Neo|Work | zero |
| 17:43.52 | Neo|Work | it's not available |
| 17:43.56 | rev|lib | ah |
| 17:43.57 | rev|lib | well |
| 17:44.01 | rev|lib | soem other game of yours |
| 17:44.20 | Neo|Work | let me put it this way - conversion rate on downloads / sale has been pretty darn good (historically, havnet' checked recently) |
| 17:44.30 | rev|lib | uh-huh |
| 17:44.46 | Neo|Work | think for a while it was like 4-5% if not more |
| 17:45.14 | warmi | heh .. what was that company that wasn't able to sustain itself porting games to desktop Linux ? I can imagine it would be even less profitable trying to do porting for a platform like Zaurus |
| 17:45.39 | rev|lib | that company was also a lot larger than just neo here |
| 17:46.01 | Neo|Work | Loki Games |
| 17:46.20 | Neo|Work | and it's not just a "lack of market" but "bad management" and "overspending" and lots of fun stuff |
| 17:46.50 | Neo|Work | but yes, it's definitely less profitable to port to the Zaurus |
| 17:47.02 | treke | it's fun trying to convince people to buy something when they think they already paid for it :) |
| 17:47.05 | Neo|Work | even though I see much less of the "I want it free ebcause I own the pocketpc version" kind of a deal |
| 17:47.09 | Neo|Work | even though I do see that |
| 17:47.44 | Neo|Work | basically, Call to Power (their first poer) sold very well |
| 17:47.57 | Neo|Work | they planned future ports based on those sales but none ever reached that level |
| 17:48.32 | Neo|Work | Linux Game Publishing is doing it in a more sustainable way |
| 17:48.53 | raduga | how do you guys feel about the design and ergonomics of the clie UX40/UX50? |
| 17:48.59 | rev|lib | well |
| 17:49.02 | rev|lib | typing sucks on it |
| 17:49.03 | raduga | how does it compare to the C7x0? |
| 17:49.04 | rev|lib | imho |
| 17:49.08 | treke | raduga: too small |
| 17:49.10 | rev|lib | worse than c7x0, the kb at least |
| 17:49.13 | rev|lib | screen is *tiny* |
| 17:49.20 | treke | raduga: and the ui seems too cluttered |
| 17:49.26 | raduga | though the keyboard *is* backlit, so you can use it in the dark |
| 17:49.39 | raduga | something i'd *love* to see on a pda, frankly. |
| 17:49.50 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 17:49.52 | rev|lib | that is cool |
| 17:50.02 | rev|lib | as a person who would take his c760 to bed for reading and other stuff |
| 17:50.23 | warmi | is UX more expensive than cx 7x/8x ? |
| 17:50.23 | rev|lib | i'd have to put it at a 45 deg angle or so |
| 17:50.23 | rev|lib | warmi: not really |
| 17:50.23 | rev|lib | warmi: you have bt + wifi as well |
| 17:50.30 | rev|lib | i've seen a ux50 for ~ 550 or even below |
| 17:50.40 | raduga | treke: i know the UI sucks ass. I liked palmos up until about 3.5 or so, but its only gotten lamer since then |
| 17:50.42 | rev|lib | cheaper than even a used c75/60 usually |
| 17:50.51 | rev|lib | i don't mind palmos gui |
| 17:50.55 | rev|lib | but i can't deal w/o multitasking |
| 17:50.57 | rev|lib | for what i do |
| 17:51.03 | rev|lib | i've been playing with an m130 soome lately |
| 17:51.07 | rev|lib | and it's agrivating |
| 17:51.08 | raduga | treke: i'm only asking because its the closest thing stylistically I've handled, to the 7x0 |
| 17:51.11 | treke | rev|lib: have you used the ux50? It seems worse than any of the palmos's I've used |
| 17:51.16 | rev|lib | to use it for anything but reading |
| 17:51.34 | treke | raduga: Doesnt feel anything like the c7x0 |
| 17:51.40 | rev|lib | treke: i've not used one regularily, like owned one; sony's launcher is annoying, but the stock apps are fine |
| 17:51.48 | rev|lib | hell |
| 17:51.53 | rev|lib | the screen doesn't even rotate when yuo change modes |
| 17:51.57 | treke | hehe |
| 17:52.03 | rev|lib | but handling that stuff in palmos is a huge pain in the ass |
| 17:52.08 | raduga | treke: I actually like the feel of the hardware. Its small, but not unlikeable. the keys seem hard to hit. |
| 17:52.09 | rev|lib | hell, having a non-square screen is a pain i the ass |
| 17:52.11 | warmi | I actually hasn't found much use for multitasking on a PDA |
| 17:52.53 | treke | warmi: eh? music players, email clients, web browsers |
| 17:53.09 | raduga | one major problem with the UX50 is they removed most of the standard application buttons that other palmos devices use, and you have to navigate through their ugly UI to get to them |
| 17:54.05 | warmi | well, I don't know ... perhaps , but personally I was always doing a one thing at a time ... |
| 17:54.14 | warmi | the screen is simply to small for anything else |
| 17:54.29 | warmi | and switching between apps doesn't require true multitasking |
| 17:54.59 | raduga | treke: how about "driving video out while active applications are running"? |
| 17:55.20 | treke | it does if you don't want your imap session to die while you check your todo list, or have the audio player stop playing |
| 17:55.20 | rev|lib | no, switching apps doesn't require true mulitasking |
| 17:55.22 | raduga | though admittedly, that's only really a problem on the Timex Sinclair ZX80, which is barely a palmtop. |
| 17:55.22 | rev|lib | but i don't care about that |
| 17:55.30 | rev|lib | i am not talking about switching apps |
| 17:55.36 | rev|lib | i have a lot use for it |
| 17:55.44 | rev|lib | but then again, i use my pda as a computer, not an overpriced daybook |
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| 17:56.04 | warmi | well, most people obviously don't (considering popularity of Palm devices) but I suspect you are using your PDA more like a computer |
| 17:56.06 | raduga | PDA its not. |
| 17:56.08 | rev|lib | i had a tungsten C lent to me for some software tseting and it was a nuissance to use |
| 17:56.09 | warmi | yeah , just like you wrote |
| 17:56.16 | rev|lib | this palm m130 isn't as bad, but i don't use it for as much |
| 17:56.29 | rev|lib | it has fewer capabilities |
| 17:56.37 | rev|lib | but when you have wifi or any networking ability |
| 17:56.56 | raduga | warmi: I've used palms as PDAs, though, admittedly, I'd like one that could actually be a multifunction computer. |
| 17:56.56 | rev|lib | it's a pain to have to reconnect to irc, aim, reload the webpage, etc etc just because you wanted to copy text out of a note quick |
| 17:57.41 | rev|lib | no reason it couldn't be |
| 17:57.50 | rev|lib | the first thing to be called PDA was a multitasking computer |
| 17:57.53 | rev|lib | (newton) |
| 17:58.44 | treke | where the hell is george when you need him |
| 17:58.59 | absentia | need a punching bag ? |
| 17:59.04 | warmi | why in the world we would need him ??? |
| 17:59.09 | warmi | :-) |
| 17:59.11 | treke | need linux help :) |
| 17:59.40 | Neo|Work | from george? is this a different george than before? ;-) |
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| 17:59.48 | Neo|Work | man we are mean. bad us. |
| 17:59.49 | treke | hehe no |
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| 18:00.02 | rev|lib | whoops |
| 18:00.55 | treke | Neo|Work: he has the same model laptop as I do, so I'm hoping he can help get get pcmcia working :p |
| 18:02.06 | Neo|Work | ah |
| 18:02.15 | warmi | man .. you people should be running Windows or OS X or something like that .... |
| 18:02.18 | warmi | I do |
| 18:02.20 | warmi | :-) |
| 18:02.29 | treke | warmi: tried it, can't say I like it :) |
| 18:11.13 | MG_Tak | it serves its purpose. |
| 18:11.18 | MG_Tak | sometimes. |
| 18:15.33 | treke | that it does |
| 18:16.07 | MG_Tak | Sometimes it serves other purposes. |
| 18:16.15 | treke | Cant say a whole lot for Windows other than it has some good admin tools, but OSX is actually a pretty nice OS |
| 18:19.37 | treke | MG_Tak: hehe, Yeah but I'm not really judging it as a UNIX, just as a stand alone OS |
| 18:19.57 | MG_Tak | I'm too used to FreeBSD and Linux. |
| 18:20.02 | MG_Tak | I had the same issue when I tried BeOS |
| 18:20.16 | treke | same, I've gotten so used to working a certain way, it's hard to switch to something very different |
| 18:20.40 | MG_Tak | I have an easier time switching to Windows, though, because Windows really doesn't have any UNIX-ness to it. |
| 18:20.54 | MG_Tak | but in OS X, I pop open a terminal and.. damn. :) |
| 18:21.04 | warmi | OSX GUI reminds me of older Enlightenment - cool to play around for a while but ultimately too heavy and flashy for usefull work |
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| 18:24.58 | treke | hehe, I think enlightenment really got a bad name for being heavy, it's never been that bad, it just had some themes that gave it a bad name |
| 18:26.38 | warmi | it is not so much heavy but impractical |
| 18:26.49 | treke | how so? |
| 18:27.11 | warmi | of course it is a personal preference but I find majority of Linux WMs rather unusable ... |
| 18:27.21 | usual | enlightenment isn't as heavy as everyone claims |
| 18:27.31 | usual | it's actually one of the best window managers |
| 18:27.37 | warmi | I like KDE, IceWM etc .... |
| 18:27.43 | usual | KDE isn't a window manager |
| 18:28.03 | treke | well kde does have it's own window manager |
| 18:28.06 | usual | yea |
| 18:28.07 | JasonM | KDE includes a Window Manager. |
| 18:28.11 | JasonM | KDM, I believe. |
| 18:28.13 | warmi | usual: for the purpose of this discussion it is :-) |
| 18:28.15 | usual | but KDE isn't heh |
| 18:28.18 | treke | kwin :p |
| 18:28.31 | JasonM | Doh. |
| 18:28.31 | JasonM | Yeah. |
| 18:28.31 | JasonM | KDM is XDM's equivelant. |
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| 18:29.47 | usual | E 17 is looking purty |
| 18:29.57 | usual | they just updates e16 |
| 18:30.13 | treke | after what a year and a half? :p |
| 18:30.43 | usual | yea well 16 is not the priority anymore |
| 18:30.44 | usual | ya know |
| 18:31.08 | treke | they don't seem to have any priorities :) |
| 18:31.08 | usual | the update added alot of cools tuff |
| 18:31.11 | usual | e17 |
| 18:31.12 | usual | heh |
| 18:31.20 | usual | but yes |
| 18:31.22 | usual | theya re slow |
| 18:32.10 | usual | it's worse than waiting for a debian release |
| 18:32.12 | treke | maybe if they didnt keep rewriting things until they think it's perfect |
| 18:32.25 | usual | yea, I think they are both busy guys also |
| 18:34.46 | treke | usual: Every time I've over the past 2 years that I've tried e17 it's worked exactly the same :) |
| 18:35.26 | usual | treke|home, I don't follow it anymore. i will try it when it's released |
| 18:36.12 | yeiazel | treke: looking the same, but maybe faster ;) |
| 18:36.21 | yeiazel | I tried it one year ago |
| 18:36.29 | yeiazel | haven't been able to compile it correctly since then |
| 18:36.33 | yeiazel | 'lo ppl :) |
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| 18:37.18 | yeiazel | I'll wait for the release :) |
| 18:38.30 | usual | last I talked to them, they were saying e17 is going to be a desktop environemnt like windows |
| 18:38.34 | usual | sort of |
| 18:38.38 | treke | desktop shell |
| 18:38.42 | usual | like a gui front end to everything |
| 18:38.43 | usual | yea |
| 18:39.10 | treke | they were only talking about it in the sense of having a window manager, launcher, and file manager |
| 18:39.46 | usual | Can't wait to see the finished project |
| 18:40.55 | yeiazel | e17: the project that makes you wait what you can't :) |
| 18:41.04 | yeiazel | sh*t, he's gone :) |
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| 18:47.24 | nemo | greetings all |
| 18:47.32 | treke | mornin |
| 18:47.37 | nemo | I just baught a 5500 off ebay |
| 18:47.46 | nemo | snappiest PDA I've seen |
| 18:47.49 | JasonM | Is there a way to get interface statistics in Linux? |
| 18:48.07 | nemo | however, it doesn't have all the proggies loaded. No hancom suite |
| 18:48.17 | JasonM | E.g. - a snapshot of the current through put? |
| 18:48.17 | treke | JasonM: ifconfig |
| 18:48.27 | JasonM | Ta |
| 18:49.07 | JasonM | Hmm. Looking for more of a bps type figure... |
| 18:49.24 | nemo | does hancom office come by default, or do you have to get it seperatly |
| 18:49.29 | nemo | is there anyway I can get it now? |
| 18:49.36 | usual | nemo, grabt he latest sharp rom |
| 18:49.49 | usual | nemo, or another rom and then download the sharp rom ipk's |
| 18:50.07 | nemo | so the latest sharp roms will have everything? I can just flash? |
| 18:50.12 | usual | yes |
| 18:50.20 | fusion94 | JasonM: one sec....i'll have something for you |
| 18:50.29 | JasonM | I don't recall the Hancom suite in SharpROM 3... |
| 18:51.03 | usual | nemo, http://www.zaurususergroup.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=UpDownload&file=index&req=viewsdownload&sid=29 |
| 18:51.04 | fusion94 | JasonM: http://uriah.org/code/ethstats/ethstats.py |
| 18:51.12 | JasonM | Thanks, fusion94 :) |
| 18:51.45 | fusion94 | JasonM: no worries |
| 18:54.34 | SuN | Can anyone here read Japanese? |
| 18:54.42 | usual | I wish |
| 18:55.03 | SuN | Me too, at this moment. |
| 18:56.10 | SuN | Someone who knows how to change snes9x keybindings will do too :) |
| 18:56.11 | raduga | hrm.. I just setup the Japanese IME in Win2k for a student here. |
| 18:56.19 | raduga | (about 3 minutes ago) |
| 18:56.57 | SuN | Get him in here :) |
| 18:58.14 | raduga | he's busy writing something that I can't read or make any sense out of right now. |
| 18:58.27 | SuN | Tell him to set priorities ;) |
| 18:59.27 | raduga | though honestly, there *should* be someone in this department who can translate. or a few dozen people maybe |
| 18:59.44 | SuN | Probably, but my timing might be bad. |
| 18:59.54 | raduga | er. |
| 19:00.07 | SuN | Oh your department. |
| 19:00.13 | SuN | I thought you meant this channel. |
| 19:00.15 | raduga | < linguistics.ucsd.edu |
| 19:00.18 | raduga | sorry ;) |
| 19:00.22 | SuN | Ahh hehe |
| 19:00.29 | raduga | my people could probably help you, but they probably won't. |
| 19:00.33 | SuN | :( |
| 19:00.41 | raduga | the people in the channel probably would like to help you, but can't. |
| 19:00.44 | SuN | "Real" Japanese people are probably asleep right now. |
| 19:01.01 | SuN | I know there are a few in this channel, but I don't remember who. |
| 19:01.07 | raduga | well. I know of at least three "real" japanese people who are awake right now. |
| 19:01.19 | raduga | but none I can access. |
| 19:01.20 | SuN | Living in Japan, I meant. |
| 19:01.33 | treke | There are japanese people who don't live in japan :p |
| 19:01.46 | SuN | I guess... but where are they now? :) |
| 19:01.46 | raduga | have you tried the babble fish? |
| 19:01.58 | SuN | Yeah but it doesn't become quite clear. |
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| 19:02.43 | SuN | I'm not sure if it'll be clear for someone who can speak Japanese either though. |
| 19:02.59 | SuN | I'm just trying to find out of the old snes9x binary supports keybindings. |
| 19:03.38 | SuN | The new one does, but it doesn't workfor me. Now the document explaining the keybinding feature is in the same list as the new binary, but it doesn't say if this is a new feature or not. |
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| 19:05.06 | SuN | That brings me to another point... is there a keycode survey for Opie somewhere? |
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| 19:05.34 | treke | doc.trolltech.com should have the qte keycodes in it |
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| 19:22.37 | absentia | asimov |
| 19:22.41 | absentia | bicentennial man |
| 19:22.46 | absentia | movie with robin williams sucked... |
| 19:22.49 | absentia | compared to the short story. |
| 19:24.52 | SuN | Hm Snes9x uses SDL keys, which entirely different from the qnamespace keys. |
| 19:26.11 | treke | makes sense, since it's an SDL app |
| 19:26.33 | SuN | Heh yeah |
| 19:27.07 | SuN | The point is, the keymap is setup so it's comfortable on an c7x0 machine, but on the SL5500 that doesn't make sense. |
| 19:27.31 | SuN | I just want to be able to use the application buttons and OK/Cancel but it's not as easy as I thought. |
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| 19:33.50 | earHurts | why doesn't bash builtin menu-complete work on the Sharp version of bash? |
| 19:35.35 | treke | which version did you install? |
| 19:49.30 | nemo | I'm having a hard time syncing my 5500, when I look at the "Rom Version" on the PDA it says 3.10, is that compatible with the intellisync program thats on the CD (version 1.2) or do I need to download an upgrade? |
| 19:49.48 | treke | you have to upgrade |
| 19:50.16 | usual | I wish there was a working gaim for 3.3.6pre1 |
| 19:50.31 | treke | install the oz-compat package and try that |
| 19:50.35 | ChipX86 | usual: what's it doing? |
| 19:51.02 | usual | ChipX86, qpe-gaim doesn't work on 3.3.6 does it? |
| 19:51.15 | treke | usual: instal oz-compat |
| 19:51.17 | usual | k |
| 19:51.23 | ChipX86 | usual: I haven't tried it. I don't have 3.3.6 |
| 19:51.53 | treke | there is a reason that was put in the README.FIRST file. |
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| 20:05.26 | absentia | can't anyone find the source code for unzip? not gunzip or gzip or bzip.. but unzip.... |
| 20:05.51 | *** part/#zaurus NoGood (~lee@0x50c484bd.adsl-fixed.tele.dk) |
| 20:06.04 | treke | http://www.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/UnZip.html |
| 20:07.08 | absentia | man |
| 20:07.11 | absentia | I've been searching for 20 minutes |
| 20:21.08 | usual | no luck with oz-compat and gaim for me |
| 20:21.08 | ChipX86|Gone | usual: what's the problem? |
| 20:21.10 | ChipX86|Gone | nm, I have to go. File a bug report if you can with full information, console output, etc |
| 20:21.10 | usual | ChipX86|Gone, i'm removing it right now, I'll try to reinstall it later and will be able to give you a more detailed error |
| 20:21.10 | usual | :) |
| 20:21.10 | usual | k, take care |
| 20:26.39 | SuN | Still no one capable of reading Japanese around? |
| 20:28.49 | JasonM | I can read it; I just can't understand it ;) |
| 20:29.06 | SuN | Heh |
| 20:29.41 | SuN | Or anyone who knows how the sdl keyhelper works. |
| 20:29.52 | SuN | I'm getting there, slowly :) |
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| 20:41.49 | jdh41 | SuN: I know some people who might be able to help, what did you want read? |
| 20:42.39 | SuN | Do they know about the Zaurus? |
| 20:42.59 | SuN | I'm on this Keyhelper page, and I need to know how I can map the application buttons to custom bindings. |
| 20:43.21 | SuN | The problem is, it's in Japanese AND zaurus-specific :/ |
| 20:44.44 | jdh41 | SuN: yep, they own zaurii |
| 20:45.05 | jdh41 | though I don't know if they've got a c7xx series yet |
| 20:45.15 | SuN | Nah that's ok, I'm using an SL5500 |
| 20:45.30 | jdh41 | do you have something on the web for them to look at? |
| 20:46.03 | jdh41 | you got an SL5500 in japanese? |
| 20:46.12 | SuN | http://www.suhami.net/zaurus/index.cgi?Emulator%2fsnes9x --> can you ask them if they can see if the 39a version of Zsnes supports the same keybindings as the newer version does? |
| 20:46.29 | SuN | Nope it's English, but the docs for snes9x are in Japanese. |
| 20:47.03 | SuN | My problem is, the keymaps in snes9x are right for the c7x0 series, but I'd like to use the application buttons on the SL5500 as buttons. |
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| 20:47.24 | SuN | So I either need to find out how to map the keys using snes9x, or get some app to remap them. |
| 20:47.40 | jdh41 | babelfish no work? |
| 20:47.54 | SuN | It works, but it doesn't make enough sense to me :) |
| 20:51.11 | jdh41 | hmm, doens't seem as if anyone who can translate it is around in my other IRC channel atm. must all have gone out or something |
| 20:51.15 | jdh41 | :( |
| 20:51.47 | SuN | :( |
| 20:53.25 | SuN | Modem? |
| 20:53.46 | SuN | I'd prefer a GSM card. |
| 20:54.06 | treke | a gsm card wouldnt do me any good |
| 20:56.44 | treke | requires GSM service with someone :) |
| 20:56.44 | treke | and gsm service sucks ass |
| 20:56.44 | SuN | Heh yeah, but you'd be able to connect anywhere you'd want. |
| 20:56.46 | treke | yeah, except for at home or at work |
| 20:57.12 | SuN | Well if you don't have a gateway available, I guess a modem would do. |
| 20:57.37 | treke | The local gsm providers have horrible availability |
| 20:59.48 | jdh41 | and actually has a working driver for it now under 3.3.5 [albeit if he had to build it himself from buildroot] |
| 21:01.15 | JasonM | Anyone know what chipset the Belkin bluetooth cards use? |
| 21:02.31 | jdh41 | http://www.holtmann.org/linux/bluetooth/devices.html might help |
| 21:03.14 | jdh41 | what model is it? |
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| 21:10.45 | JasonM | Belkin Bluetooth CF: F8T020 |
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| 21:37.03 | JasonM | fusion94: Are you still around? |
| 21:49.10 | fusion94 | JasonM: atm yeah why ? |
| 21:56.13 | absentia | sigh |
| 21:56.19 | absentia | what's the path to the x11 feed on zug ? |
| 21:56.42 | Foxdie | http://cacko.zaurususergroup.com/feed/ |
| 21:57.36 | absentia | ah |
| 21:57.38 | absentia | it's only under cacko |
| 21:57.40 | absentia | not just www |
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| 22:09.57 | MEME|work | damn, no opie-wellenreiter > 3.3.5? |
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| 22:11.47 | treke | rev|lib: |
| 22:12.37 | rev|lib | ehhh yoo! |
| 22:20.47 | MEME|work | nuts |
| 22:21.16 | rev|lib | it OWNS |
| 22:21.41 | MG_Tak | vb? |
| 22:21.46 | rev|lib | visual basic |
| 22:21.54 | MG_Tak | oh |
| 22:21.59 | MG_Tak | I missed the "with" |
| 22:22.04 | treke | hehe |
| 22:22.06 | rev|lib | ahh |
| 22:22.07 | rev|lib | heh |
| 22:22.16 | treke | less vb more dynapd |
| 22:22.28 | treke | you have 34 hours left. |
| 22:22.52 | rev|lib | that soon? |
| 22:22.55 | rev|lib | thought it was 16th? |
| 22:23.16 | treke | thought it was the 9th. you are probably right and may resume procrastinating |
| 22:23.58 | rev|lib | well, i know you wanted it to be the 9th origianlly, but you agreed to the 16th; i go back to school on the 18th or so, and i wanted the extra time |
| 22:23.59 | rev|lib | :) |
| 22:24.08 | treke | ok. continue |
| 22:24.19 | rev|lib | anyway |
| 22:24.24 | rev|lib | i'm rewriting dynapad in vb dos |
| 22:24.36 | treke | leet |
| 22:24.37 | rev|lib | a lot cooler |
| 22:24.52 | rev|lib | only requires a 286 with 2 mb of ram now! |
| 22:40.59 | warmi | vb for dos ? |
| 22:41.06 | warmi | I thought it was quick basic or something like that |
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| 22:44.41 | rev|lib | no |
| 22:44.47 | rev|lib | that's something totally different |
| 22:44.59 | rev|lib | VB for DOS is the same language as VB for Windows |
| 22:45.09 | rev|lib | though only the same as VB 1.0 for Windows |
| 22:45.17 | rev|lib | it's changed since |
| 22:45.18 | rev|lib | but you do the same visual layout of GUI forms |
| 22:45.24 | rev|lib | and write event-driven code |
| 22:45.31 | MEME|work | you can run dos on zaurus? |
| 22:45.32 | rev|lib | but you're laying out text-drawn widgets |
| 22:45.36 | rev|lib | well |
| 22:45.37 | rev|lib | kind of |
| 22:45.39 | rev|lib | but it'd suck ass |
| 22:45.40 | warmi | ah .... interesting , never heard about that one |
| 22:45.42 | MEME|work | or freedos? |
| 22:45.44 | rev|lib | with existing methods |
| 22:45.53 | rev|lib | freedos is for x86 |
| 22:46.05 | rev|lib | you can run freedos on bochs on it |
| 22:46.06 | rev|lib | er |
| 22:46.11 | rev|lib | vb prolly rns on freedos, yes |
| 22:46.13 | rev|lib | sorry :P |
| 22:46.20 | rev|lib | but as with anything bochs, it's slow |
| 22:46.26 | rev|lib | and especially slow on any zaurus hardware |
| 22:46.28 | rev|lib | no fpu and all |
| 22:47.21 | warmi | well, if there was a native port of freedos it would run lightingly fast |
| 22:47.30 | warmi | after all it is a 200 MHZ machine we are talking here |
| 22:47.53 | warmi | and DOS was designed to run on what ... 10-30 MHZ machines :-) |
| 22:47.57 | rev|lib | yeah, but we're not talking about freedos |
| 22:48.02 | rev|lib | as i said is x86 only afaik |
| 22:48.07 | warmi | yeah |
| 22:48.10 | rev|lib | and supporting any other architecture would not be very useful |
| 22:48.14 | rev|lib | considering freedos's purpose |
| 22:49.00 | warmi | I was surprised people even bothered creating freedos ... I am sure getting license for the real thing would be probably very cheap these days ( if one is looking for a cheap embedded os or something like that ) |
| 22:50.53 | rev|lib | well |
| 22:50.56 | rev|lib | there are reasons |
| 22:51.06 | rev|lib | there are alot of systems that depend on DOS |
| 22:51.21 | rev|lib | and rewriting some embedded system usually isn't a possibility, and even if it was, it's still expensivee |
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| 22:55.51 | Disconnect | not to mention the easy availability of freedos for things like firmware updates. (both vendor-shipped and normal user) .. and dosemu is more useful with dos ;) |
| 23:09.02 | jdh41 | SuN: we got a rough translation of the snes manual: |
| 23:09.14 | jdh41 | 23:05 < Fib> Q. We want teaching the modification of key bind already a little in detail. Something making the file, it retains? |
| 23:09.17 | jdh41 | 23:05 < Fib> A. As for the file as for the necessity to make it is not. Environment variable just is set. There is also a document, |
| 23:09.20 | jdh41 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.35 | jdh41 | 23:07 < Fib> Environment variable S9XKEYS Quit, A and B, X, the below-mentioned key cord/code is appointed in the order of Y, L, R, |
| 23:09.39 | jdh41 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.42 | jdh41 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.44 | jdh41 | 23:07 < Fib> so you use export S9XKEYS=Quit,A,B,X,Y,L,R,START,SELECT,LEFT,RIGHT,UP,DOWN,L+U,L+D,R+U,R+D |
| 23:09.47 | jdh41 | 23:08 < Fib> where for each key you replace the name by the code given in the list: |
| 23:09.50 | jdh41 | 23:08 < Fib> http://www.suhami.net/zaurus/snes/keybind |
| 23:13.37 | SuN | jdh41: thanks, but I'm realising the issue is larger than I thought.. even with keybinds it doesn't support the application buttons. |
| 23:13.49 | SuN | It needs to hook up with the QT maps for that. |
| 23:14.13 | SuN | I mailed the maintainer of the package, maybe he has an idea. |
| 23:17.40 | SuN | Hm importing a C700 would only set me back $429/EUR 340. |
| 23:20.58 | SuN | Eh or the other way around, heh. |
| 23:21.12 | SuN | Hm no. |
| 23:21.14 | SuN | nm |
| 23:32.33 | cyn_ | if yer getting new - get a 750 instead of 700 |
| 23:32.49 | cyn_ | everyone i've heard from says the extra ram/proc fix are a big chunk of 'pep' |
| 23:32.55 | cyn_ | ... unless you just want the screen |
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| 23:36.39 | undrwater | anyone alive? |
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| 23:37.52 | SuN | Hm the mem seems sufficient for me, and for storage I'd use cards anyway -- but how bad is the CPU bug? |
| 23:41.17 | treke | pretty bad :) |
| 23:44.18 | SuN | As in "it runs worse than an SL5500"-bad? |
| 23:50.00 | treke | not much worse, about equal |
| 23:52.18 | SuN | Hm in that case... I'm not going to pay such a difference in price for just a different form factor. |
| 23:53.37 | treke | The form factor is worth the money, get the 750 |
| 23:54.07 | SuN | But that'll cost me an additional $150 ex tax. |
| 23:58.35 | treke | I'd go with a 700 over a 5500 then |
| 23:59.51 | SuN | Over $200 for a form factor upgrade... heh. |