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| 00:13.53 | paullys | to get an opie program to work on qtopia what do I need to have installed? |
| 00:14.06 | treke | usually libopie |
| 00:14.08 | JasonM | The opie libs, mainly. |
| 00:14.21 | paullys | JasonM / treke - where do I get these? |
| 00:14.47 | JasonM | I'm fairly sure its available in the feed at: http://docs.zaurus.com/feed |
| 00:15.21 | JasonM | You'd probably find it at the ZSI too - http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 00:16.22 | paullys | JasonM / treke - so just download libopie_0.9.1-20021024_arm.ipk ? |
| 00:16.32 | JasonM | I'd've thought so, yeah |
| 00:16.37 | JasonM | And install it, of course :) |
| 00:24.30 | treke | where the hell is george when you want him. |
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| 00:40.52 | paullys | how do I run prboom that is located in /opt/QtPalmtop/share/games/doom ? |
| 00:41.15 | JasonM | Did you install the demo wad file? |
| 00:41.33 | paullys | I placed it into the same directory, /opt/QtPalmtop/share/games/doom |
| 00:42.07 | JasonM | Try looking for an executable in the directory then... |
| 00:43.38 | paullys | there's only a file called prboom and when I click it I get "No application is defined for this document. Type is application/octet-stream" |
| 00:45.57 | JasonM | Don't click on it - run it from a console/ terminal (if you have one) |
| 00:46.34 | paullys | what do I type in to run it? |
| 00:47.04 | JasonM | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.19 | meshuga | anyone got opera7? |
| 00:50.11 | paullys | JasonM "No such file or directory" |
| 00:50.40 | JasonM | Ok. |
| 00:50.47 | paullys | it's on my CF card, does opt represent the CF card? |
| 00:51.02 | JasonM | cd /opt/QtPalmtop/share/games/doom |
| 00:51.02 | JasonM | Oh. |
| 00:51.02 | JasonM | No. |
| 00:51.12 | JasonM | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.01 | JasonM | Its probably symlinked to the card. |
| 00:52.16 | paullys | JasonM - if I install it on internal flash where does it go? |
| 00:52.19 | JasonM | Have you checked the Games menu, BTW? |
| 00:52.32 | JasonM | What are you running? SharpROM 3.1? |
| 00:53.05 | paullys | cacko's qtopia |
| 00:53.23 | paullys | on my 860 |
| 00:53.23 | JasonM | Ah. No idea then. I'm not at all familiar with cacko. |
| 00:53.34 | JasonM | Nor 860's either :) |
| 00:53.44 | paullys | ok thank you |
| 00:54.01 | JasonM | However, it would be installed to /opt/QtPalmtop/share/games/doom/ |
| 00:54.13 | paullys | ok thanks |
| 00:54.14 | JasonM | (rather than just symlinked there) |
| 00:54.38 | paullys | then how do I transfer the wad files to /opt/QtPalmtop/share/games/doom/? |
| 00:54.50 | JasonM | cp them? |
| 00:55.10 | paullys | ibot: cp |
| 00:55.16 | | cp is probably Copies one or more files to another file or directory. Syntax: cp (file1) (file2) ...(fileN) (destination). Where file1 through fileN are the files to copy, and destination is the destination file or directory. Example: cp ../frog joe copies the file ../frog to the file or directory joe. |
| 01:00.29 | paullys | so what would I type to get Doom1.wad from the compact flash dir/QtPalmtop/share/games/doom/ to /opt/QtPalmtop/share/games/doom/? |
| 01:01.07 | JasonM | Assuming that the directory structure follows that logic: |
| 01:01.25 | JasonM | cp /mnt/cf/opt/QtPalmtop/share/games/doom/Doom1.wad /opt/QtPalmtop/share/games/doom/ |
| 01:01.43 | JasonM | I've not played with prboom, so I dont actually know the directory structure. |
| 01:02.08 | JasonM | But /mnt/cf is where your Compact Flash data is :) |
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| 01:03.34 | paullys | "cp: cannot stat '/mnt/cf/opt/QtPalmtop/share/games/doom/Doom1.wad |
| 01:03.36 | paullys | '" |
| 01:04.50 | JasonM | Ok - you're gonna have to go hunting for the wad file... |
| 01:04.53 | JasonM | Try: |
| 01:05.00 | JasonM | find /mnt/cf -name *.wad |
| 01:05.23 | JasonM | Or, alternatively, remove the data package, and reinstall it to internal memory |
| 01:06.03 | paullys | the wad file are the levels |
| 01:06.10 | JasonM | I know. |
| 01:06.13 | paullys | and the Doom1.wad file is on my CF |
| 01:06.23 | paullys | now I just want to transfer it to /opt/QtPalmtop/share/games/doom/ |
| 01:06.24 | JasonM | Do you know where on the CF it is? |
| 01:06.39 | paullys | yes it's cf/QtPalmtop/share/games/doom/ |
| 01:06.52 | JasonM | Ah. |
| 01:06.52 | JasonM | D'oh |
| 01:07.03 | JasonM | cp /mnt/cf/QtPalmtop/share/games/doom/Doom1.wad /opt/QtPalmtop/share/games/doom/ |
| 01:07.32 | JasonM | I left the 'opt' directory in |
| 01:07.32 | JasonM | Which isn't on the CF card. |
| 01:08.02 | paullys | ok |
| 01:08.37 | paullys | why cant you minimize the terminal screen>? |
| 01:08.59 | JasonM | Minimise? |
| 01:08.59 | JasonM | You can press 'home' to hide it? |
| 01:09.14 | JasonM | Or click on another app to bring it to the foreground. |
| 01:10.19 | paullys | where is home? |
| 01:10.30 | JasonM | Um - on a C760 - no idea. |
| 01:10.43 | JasonM | On a SL5500, its the square key above the directional pad. |
| 01:11.00 | JasonM | Its got a picture of a house on it, if that helps. |
| 01:11.03 | paullys | damn |
| 01:11.07 | paullys | not on 760 |
| 01:11.18 | JasonM | No idea about 860s either. |
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| 01:13.16 | JasonM | Try the '*' softkey |
| 01:13.45 | JasonM | There is a 'home' key on the keyboard, BTW |
| 01:13.51 | JasonM | To the left of 'cancel' |
| 01:14.19 | paullys | oh |
| 01:14.22 | paullys | on the keyboard |
| 01:14.23 | paullys | cool |
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| 01:45.26 | Bryan_W | yup! |
| 01:46.15 | usual | yuppperrrs |
| 01:46.33 | Bryan_W | ok what model do you have? |
| 01:48.03 | usual | who |
| 01:52.29 | Bryan_W | you |
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| 01:59.08 | catskul | is it safe to do a make clean on a build dir like glibc while attempting to compile things that depend on it ? |
| 01:59.14 | catskul | how clean is clean anyways |
| 02:06.38 | usual | can I replace the icons in the sharp rom with the crystal icons from the tkc rom with a package or something? |
| 02:11.01 | usual | nm, i found them |
| 02:25.19 | treke|home | usual: Why not just use the tkcrom? |
| 02:27.18 | gerrynjr | can anyone reccomend a replacement stylus? |
| 02:28.02 | Pendalar | I used m100 series for awhile, it doesn't fit in well but is cheap |
| 02:28.13 | Pendalar | the IIIx style ones one fit at all |
| 02:28.54 | gerrynjr | Pendalar> that's what i'm using ATM |
| 02:29.02 | gerrynjr | m100 |
| 02:29.13 | Pendalar | it could prob be shaved down a bit |
| 02:29.15 | gerrynjr | I want one that stays in... |
| 02:29.23 | gerrynjr | and is nice... |
| 02:29.38 | Pendalar | I found a office depot that was clearancing out some zaurus stylus's and I bought up a couple of packs |
| 02:29.41 | treke|home | fits fine if you put it in backwards |
| 02:30.08 | Pendalar | enough I figure to use til I have a c unit |
| 02:30.21 | Pendalar | C units use the same stylus? |
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| 02:52.06 | usual | treke|home, I might go back to tkc, I was trying the alpha3 release and my wireless was not exactly working, so I tried it under sharp rom 3.13 and it works flawless, I will try it under stable tkc soon to figure out where I am comfy |
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| 02:56.13 | Mocara | lo all |
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| 03:06.13 | usual | re |
| 03:06.54 | Mocara | lo usual. |
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| 03:10.29 | usual | hi |
| 03:10.41 | redRing | greetings |
| 03:10.58 | weez|working | i am using a handspring stylus in my c700 |
| 03:11.07 | weez|working | it fits perfectly |
| 03:11.23 | weez|working | but I dont remember exactly what model handspring... |
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| 03:11.50 | _Psycho | im using a TT stylus, i had to remove the plastic and cut the metal but it fit perfectly now |
| 03:12.05 | weez|working | it says for handspring treo series |
| 03:12.27 | weez|working | i bought a belkin stylus 4 pack that is metal with plastic top and bottom |
| 03:12.37 | weez|working | looks nice and fits perfectly |
| 03:14.20 | MG_Tak | WHO |
| 03:14.26 | MG_Tak | Ummm |
| 03:14.29 | MG_Tak | No, not that window. |
| 03:14.31 | MG_Tak | My bad. |
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| 03:41.05 | catskul | I asked this before, but maybe someone else has an opinion: |
| 03:41.17 | catskul | what wifi cards do you recomend ? |
| 03:42.06 | offroadgeek | d-link 660w, ambicom wl-1100, netgear (don't remember which model) |
| 03:42.18 | offroadgeek | not in any particular order... just the ones I own |
| 03:43.16 | catskul | they all work well? and do you use OZ (or know if they work well with OZ) ? |
| 03:43.29 | offroadgeek | catskul, check this out: |
| 03:43.31 | offroadgeek | http://www.zaurususergroup.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpWiki&file=index&pagename=BackLinks&page=WirelessCardSupport |
| 03:45.04 | catskul | cool : ) thanks |
| 03:47.28 | offroadgeek | np |
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| 04:21.43 | earHertz | I'm trying and failing to do a full reset' |
| 04:21.50 | earHertz | What am I doing wrong? |
| 04:22.28 | offroadgeek | earHertz, what model Z? |
| 04:22.37 | earHertz | 5600 |
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| 04:23.25 | offroadgeek | you should just be able to take the battery cover off, and push the reset button with the tip of your stylus |
| 04:24.15 | earHertz | yeah, I did that. several times |
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| 04:40.27 | Mase | Hi, is there anyone available that can assist me in getting my Zaurus 2.38 ROM to zync under linux. |
| 04:40.45 | absentia | I'm gonna feed zaurus.spy.org to archive.org in a month or so... that should keep a mirror for a LONG time :-> |
| 04:41.14 | Mase | I have downloaded and installed qtopia-desktop from trolltech, and I can ping my zaurus from my linux box, but qtopia fails to find the pda |
| 04:41.29 | Mase | I am using hotplug and have blacklisted CDCEther and ACM |
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| 06:19.26 | enginuitor | WTF?? |
| 06:19.38 | offroadgeek | ? |
| 06:22.00 | enginuitor | About 100 leaving/entering messages just flashed by |
| 06:22.09 | enginuitor | It's been happening on a lot of channels |
| 06:23.10 | tcg23 | netsplit, looks like.. |
| 06:23.49 | offroadgeek | they're rebooting the servers to upgrade the kernels |
| 06:23.56 | offroadgeek | it was announced earlier |
| 06:25.16 | tcg23 | ahh |
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| 08:08.34 | catskul | anyone gotten prboom working full screen on a c7xx ? |
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| 08:13.13 | catskul | prboom works for me, but If I attempt to do 640 x 480, I get garbled image (though I can see whats going on) |
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| 09:29.12 | NetAmp | oh happy day |
| 09:29.32 | NetAmp | so are you people all asleep? |
| 09:30.52 | NetAmp | or is it just my HTML-based IRC that's slow (yeah, I know it's evil, CGI IRC. Works at work though! heh even with the friggin' Websense Proxy lurking around the corner) |
| 09:51.14 | NetAmp | ibot: today |
| 09:51.15 | | [today] the first day of the rest of ibot's life, or wednesday |
| 09:51.28 | NetAmp | ibot: slashdot |
| 09:52.51 | NetAmp | l8r |
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| 12:01.08 | Foxdie | oh crap |
| 12:01.11 | Foxdie | I need help quick |
| 12:02.35 | Foxdie | I mounted the internal flash on my zaurus as RW and made changes to passwd but it refused to save it, so I saved it in my ~ directory and then rm'ed the original passwd file and tried to move the new passwd file from my ~ folder to the /root/etc folder, but it won't let me saying the drive is full |
| 12:03.50 | jdh41 | have you got an sd crd you can put stuff on and then symlink it back to root |
| 12:04.07 | jdh41 | to create space |
| 12:04.16 | Foxdie | I have a CF card |
| 12:04.18 | jdh41 | you might be able to symlink the passwd file into /ec |
| 12:04.23 | jdh41 | */etc |
| 12:04.34 | Foxdie | it won't let me create a symlink either :/ |
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| 12:04.40 | jdh41 | but it might be required on boot before whatever its on is mounted |
| 12:04.43 | jdh41 | which would be bad |
| 12:06.00 | Foxdie | I edited the file and tried to copy back across the changes I made |
| 12:06.02 | Foxdie | er |
| 12:06.15 | Foxdie | I edited the file and tried to copy back across the file less the changes I made |
| 12:06.20 | Foxdie | ie the original |
| 12:06.23 | Foxdie | but it still says it's full |
| 12:07.05 | jdh41 | what does df say? |
| 12:07.19 | jdh41 | is there anything you can remove from / ? |
| 12:08.15 | Foxdie | root@FoxZ ~> df |
| 12:08.15 | Foxdie | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 12:08.15 | Foxdie | /dev/root 25600 25600 0 100% / |
| 12:08.15 | Foxdie | /dev/ram1 44 27 17 61% /dev |
| 12:08.15 | Foxdie | /dev/cloop 42631 39747 683 98% /usr |
| 12:08.16 | Foxdie | /dev/mtdblock3 98304 31976 66328 33% /home |
| 12:08.18 | Foxdie | none 10240 116 10124 1% /dev/shm |
| 12:08.20 | Foxdie | /dev/hda1 62820 57510 5310 92% /home/system/var/mnt/cf |
| 12:08.48 | Foxdie | root@FoxZ ~> mount |
| 12:08.48 | Foxdie | /dev/root on / type jffs2 (rw) |
| 12:08.48 | Foxdie | /proc on /proc type proc (rw) |
| 12:08.48 | Foxdie | /dev/ram1 on /dev type minix (rw) |
| 12:08.48 | Foxdie | /dev/cloop on /usr type ext2 (ro) |
| 12:08.48 | Foxdie | /dev/mtdblock3 on /home type jffs2 (rw,noatime) |
| 12:08.50 | Foxdie | none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) |
| 12:08.53 | Foxdie | none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw) |
| 12:08.54 | Foxdie | /dev/hda1 on /home/system/var/mnt/cf type vfat (rw,noatime) |
| 12:12.56 | john_galt | could someone please explain the differences between the sl-5000 and sl-5500? |
| 12:13.58 | jdh41 | iirc its the amount of ram |
| 12:14.10 | jdh41 | sl-5000 has 32Mb and sl-5500 has 64mb |
| 12:14.37 | john_galt | all else = ? |
| 12:14.42 | jdh41 | the 5000 is the developer version and was released first [or rather was given away by sharp in an effort to encourage development of software by the time they released the 5500] |
| 12:15.11 | jdh41 | don't think there are any more differences, though I could be wrong there |
| 12:15.19 | john_galt | ah, thanks |
| 12:15.32 | john_galt | I'm looking to buy one |
| 12:16.01 | jdh41 | if you can afford it get a c700 series one, they've got much better screens |
| 12:16.31 | john_galt | how much? |
| 12:17.08 | jdh41 | ? |
| 12:17.18 | jdh41 | can't remember, try ebay? |
| 12:17.30 | jdh41 | [for some reason the first time I typed that only the ? came out] |
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| 12:20.06 | john_galt | was the c700 a japan only model? |
| 12:20.50 | Foxdie | all of the C series is |
| 12:21.46 | Foxdie | so how do I solve my problem of rm'ed passwd? |
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| 12:23.19 | jdh41 | Foxdie: by making space on root and then putting it there |
| 12:23.24 | jdh41 | or reflashing |
| 12:24.08 | Foxdie | I have tried making space |
| 12:24.13 | Foxdie | there's no space to give |
| 12:24.45 | jdh41 | if you follow the instruciton for moving /usr or /opt from the OZ userguide thing here: http://www.linux-migration.org/ch05s10s05.html |
| 12:25.12 | jdh41 | however the downside is that you then have to keep the sd of cf card in |
| 12:25.20 | jdh41 | and it has to formatted to ext2 |
| 12:25.37 | jdh41 | which is great if you have sd/mmc but not so if you only have flash |
| 12:25.41 | jdh41 | *CF |
| 12:25.56 | jdh41 | as CF has to be formatted vfat to flash |
| 12:25.59 | Foxdie | I don't have a CF card :( |
| 12:26.25 | jdh41 | Foxdie: probably easiest to reflash |
| 12:26.38 | jdh41 | if you really can't get rid of anything from root |
| 12:26.41 | Foxdie | oh wait |
| 12:26.46 | Foxdie | I just realised |
| 12:26.54 | Foxdie | I can flash it but I don't need to reformat the user partition :) |
| 12:27.18 | jdh41 | what user partition? |
| 12:27.29 | jdh41 | the flash will wipe everything which isn't on a memory card |
| 12:27.47 | jdh41 | you cna back stuff up to your PC first |
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| 13:42.09 | Foxdie | OH SHIT |
| 13:42.11 | Foxdie | I can't even start X |
| 13:42.24 | jdh41 | Foxdie: on what? |
| 13:42.32 | Foxdie | on my zaurus |
| 13:42.41 | Foxdie | I haven't rebooted it yet |
| 13:42.53 | Foxdie | so it should have had the passwd file cached (I'd hoped) |
| 13:43.23 | Foxdie | nope |
| 13:43.32 | Foxdie | I am running the Sashz X11 ROM on my C760 |
| 13:43.32 | jdh41 | you use the X11 ROM then? |
| 13:43.55 | jdh41 | whats it like? |
| 13:45.46 | Foxdie | quite handy :) |
| 13:47.21 | Foxdie | it's not as fast as the original rom but that'll change soon ^_^ |
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| 14:16.07 | absentia | morn' |
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| 15:36.22 | warmi | hi |
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| 15:42.41 | fer | 5600 users here? |
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| 17:27.50 | NetAmp | greetings Zaurians |
| 17:39.48 | Mocara | anyone know where to get a hard case for an sl5600? |
| 17:40.08 | Mocara | allways bloody leather cases, not much protection offered there.. :-) |
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| 18:45.56 | NetAmp | wazzaaaaaa?! |
| 18:47.10 | Foxdie | WAZZAAAPPPPP |
| 18:50.41 | warmi | NetAmp: long time no see ... I think .. assuming you are that guy from NL ( if I remember your nick correctly ) :-) |
| 18:52.31 | NetAmp | indeed |
| 18:52.40 | NetAmp | your memory passed the CRC test :D |
| 18:53.05 | NetAmp | i've been busy... but i just saw there's been a new OZ release :D |
| 18:53.35 | NetAmp | so i thought i'd go check if there are any weird side-effects I should know of before trying it out ;) |
| 18:56.21 | warmi | hehe |
| 18:56.28 | warmi | I don't know if I can still find my Z ,.... |
| 18:56.33 | warmi | let alone update its ROM |
| 18:56.50 | warmi | interestinly, I still run the very same ROM I got with my device 2 years ago |
| 18:57.35 | NetAmp | :o |
| 18:57.37 | NetAmp | hah |
| 18:58.05 | warmi | yeah... you know I am conservatie ... not only politically :-) |
| 18:58.15 | NetAmp | lol |
| 18:58.22 | warmi | conservative even |
| 18:58.39 | NetAmp | mine is OZ 3.2 now |
| 18:59.15 | warmi | you still have 55500 though right ? |
| 18:59.19 | warmi | 5500 that is |
| 18:59.29 | NetAmp | yeah ;) the 'stone age model' by now |
| 18:59.55 | NetAmp | but i'm also still a student so i'll stick with this expensive toy for now :P |
| 19:00.10 | NetAmp | primary use is MP3 player anyway ;) |
| 19:00.24 | warmi | yeah, that's what I liked to use my 5000 for as well |
| 19:00.29 | jdh41 | but ahs ability to borrow a c760 or c800 off a friend if he ever wants to play |
| 19:01.18 | warmi | c800 ? |
| 19:01.25 | warmi | what's that ? |
| 19:02.03 | jdh41 | sorry, c700 or c860 |
| 19:02.34 | warmi | actually, I didn't know there was 860 |
| 19:02.44 | warmi | does it have like 1024x768 resolution :-) ? |
| 19:03.26 | NetAmp | my 5500 now has 16:9 widescreen resolution and Dolby Prologic Surround :P |
| 19:03.29 | jdh41 | http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/devices/images.php3 |
| 19:03.30 | NetAmp | (right... ) |
| 19:04.10 | warmi | heeh |
| 19:04.20 | warmi | yeah, well not for us .. only Japs get to enjoy these |
| 19:04.31 | NetAmp | hm :S |
| 19:04.37 | jdh41 | import models.... |
| 19:04.41 | NetAmp | and/or people with money, hard cash :P |
| 19:04.46 | jdh41 | quite |
| 19:04.55 | NetAmp | now that we got stuck with the Euro... finances suck :P |
| 19:05.16 | jdh41 | we still have the GBP |
| 19:05.20 | jdh41 | hehe |
| 19:05.46 | warmi | I thought Euro was pretty high compared to $ these days .. which should make for cheaper stuff |
| 19:05.51 | warmi | for you , that is |
| 19:06.03 | NetAmp | hm yeah true... |
| 19:06.04 | jdh41 | yeh, $ not doing very well due to trade defecit and low interest rates iirc |
| 19:06.15 | warmi | of course, it doesn't help that on average European income is about %60 of what people make in US :-) |
| 19:06.26 | NetAmp | I bought some CD's from Amazon in Canada, pretty cheap compared to here in the Netherlands |
| 19:06.38 | NetAmp | even with S&H included |
| 19:06.42 | jdh41 | yeh, DVDs and CDs are really quite expensive here |
| 19:06.43 | warmi | just about everything seems to be cheaper in US |
| 19:07.04 | warmi | well, trains are cheaper in Europe :-) |
| 19:08.45 | warmi | can you get 860s in Europe ( meaning a European company is importing them ) ? |
| 19:09.07 | NetAmp | errr |
| 19:09.13 | NetAmp | haven't tried |
| 19:10.18 | NetAmp | i'm not ready to commit my 5500 to the Gallery Of Outdated Stuff ;) |
| 19:10.47 | NetAmp | anyway if i get an 860 today, next month they'll have the 980 or something :P |
| 19:10.58 | NetAmp | pretty annoying, a bit like with PCs |
| 19:11.00 | warmi | well, that is how it works ... |
| 19:11.22 | warmi | you can wait ... but one day you WILL day so I don't know if it is worth waiting all the time :-) |
| 19:11.27 | warmi | day = die |
| 19:12.04 | NetAmp | hmm... indeed ;) |
| 19:12.24 | NetAmp | i would have to get one in the afterlife... |
| 19:12.46 | NetAmp | i guess importing won't be easy there :P |
| 19:14.28 | warmi | heh |
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| 19:37.00 | NetAmp | l8r y'all |
| 19:37.33 | NetAmp | warmi: good luck finding your Z ;-) |
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| 20:05.43 | Mocara | anyone know where to get a hard case for a 5600? :-) |
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| 20:15.25 | Pralix | yes |
| 20:15.28 | Pralix | kergoth |
| 20:15.54 | kergoth | hm? |
| 20:15.59 | kergoth | yo |
| 20:17.33 | Pralix | <--formerly known as [DrEvil] |
| 20:17.51 | kergoth | oh, how ya been? |
| 20:17.58 | Pralix | ok |
| 20:18.00 | Pralix | but been better |
| 20:18.27 | Pralix | and you? |
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| 20:23.56 | kergoth | Pralix: pretty good.. still enjoying the work at TI and the lack of snow |
| 20:23.57 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:29.01 | Pralix | we gots snow today |
| 20:29.25 | Pralix | ahhh |
| 20:29.30 | Pralix | the fun of kernel compiling |
| 20:30.05 | kergoth | heh, you'll be glad to know i finally added the autofs shit to the oe/oz buildsystem |
| 20:30.09 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:30.13 | Pralix | awwww |
| 20:30.17 | Pralix | what persuaded you to do that? |
| 20:30.27 | kergoth | i was adding fucking everything i could find |
| 20:30.31 | kergoth | i even got postfix to crosscompile |
| 20:30.35 | Pralix | heh |
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| 20:30.46 | Pralix | I might try it again |
| 20:30.52 | Pralix | I haven't messed with my Z much |
| 20:31.05 | Pralix | still thinking of going back to palm |
| 20:31.21 | kergoth | you look at the japanese models? |
| 20:31.24 | kergoth | the clamshells are really nice |
| 20:31.26 | Pralix | no |
| 20:31.41 | Pralix | it's not the machine that has me disatisfied |
| 20:31.43 | Pralix | it's the software |
| 20:32.16 | Pralix | there are like 4 different PIM engines |
| 20:32.23 | Pralix | and they aren't compatiable with each other |
| 20:33.24 | Pralix | then there is the TKC BS |
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| 20:35.00 | kergoth | yeah, the Z software does suck. every option sucks, just some less than others |
| 20:35.21 | Pralix | it's fine as a handheld computer |
| 20:36.51 | kergoth | i've been thinking about an axim |
| 20:36.56 | kergoth | cheap little devices |
| 20:37.03 | Pralix | running Linux on it? |
| 20:37.19 | Pralix | I love how fast this computer is |
| 20:37.21 | kergoth | right now you can run linux, but only bootstrapped by ce. no bootloader runs on it yet |
| 20:37.29 | Pralix | ahh |
| 20:37.49 | Pralix | I like that Sony UX-50 |
| 20:38.02 | Pralix | I think the next iteration should be spectacular |
| 20:39.00 | Pralix | interesting variable speed processor |
| 20:39.30 | levi | I didn't find the Zaurus useful as a PDA either. I switched back to my Palm V, and then to a Treo 600. |
| 20:39.51 | Pralix | Multisync kinda makes the Z useful as a PDA |
| 20:40.09 | Pralix | but I have some issues with what it does to my phone |
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| 20:47.53 | Pralix | kergoth should be happy that I have renounced mandrake |
| 20:55.08 | kergoth | nice, what you running now? |
| 20:55.36 | CAMCAM | Pralix kergoth: Why don't you like Mandrake ? |
| 20:56.09 | usual | Debian will eventually own you all, it is inevitable... |
| 20:56.39 | kergoth | usual: you forgot to laugh maniacally |
| 20:56.48 | usual | MuUhHahAHAhAHahhaa |
| 20:56.49 | Disconnect | Pralix: fyi ipaq and maybe Z can do variable core speeds. certainly ipaq. its not automatic but it easily could be. |
| 20:58.41 | Pralix | gentoo |
| 20:59.42 | usual | I am all for the gentoo project but I can't stand it personally |
| 20:59.49 | Pralix | it would be cool to type: emerge openzaurus |
| 20:59.55 | Pralix | and have it build everything |
| 21:00.05 | kergoth | Pralix: the new OE build infrastructure is based on portage |
| 21:00.09 | usual | I find the debian i386 binaries faster |
| 21:00.13 | Pralix | oh |
| 21:00.14 | Pralix | cool |
| 21:00.17 | kergoth | hacked up to support crosscompiling, etc |
| 21:00.29 | kergoth | made the .oe/.ebuild directly parsed instead of shoved into bash |
| 21:00.33 | kergoth | that sort of thing |
| 21:00.34 | kergoth | works well |
| 21:00.39 | kergoth | the .oe format is almost identical to a .ebulid |
| 21:00.42 | Pralix | portage has issues |
| 21:00.57 | Pralix | I hope when they go to a compiled version things get better |
| 21:01.09 | lekter | I have a complete Gentoo environment on Zaurus |
| 21:01.24 | lekter | But it must work on any ARM |
| 21:02.01 | lekter | I am just waiting for disk space to upload everything (on sf.net) |
| 21:02.31 | kergoth | masochist. |
| 21:02.43 | kergoth | by the time its done building, it'll be obselete |
| 21:02.53 | Pralix | uh-huh |
| 21:02.56 | Pralix | not on this computer |
| 21:03.14 | lekter | kergoth, the Gentoo environment is using distcc, so the actual compiling is done on main pc. |
| 21:03.49 | usual | even then heh |
| 21:04.10 | kergoth | heh, think about how long it takes to even run a damn ./configure |
| 21:04.20 | kergoth | theres more to a build than just compiling |
| 21:04.20 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:05.42 | usual | the the high end ipaq has biometric security? |
| 21:08.44 | Pralix | bleah |
| 21:08.47 | Pralix | biometrics |
| 21:08.53 | usual | heh |
| 21:09.06 | Pralix | wow |
| 21:09.10 | Pralix | the snow is really coming down now |
| 21:09.25 | lekter | kergoth, the ./configure is longer, but faster than using only the zaurus |
| 21:09.37 | lekter | The test cases are compiled on the main pc |
| 21:09.57 | lekter | I am uploading the environment now to zaurus.spy.org and setting up a web page. |
| 21:10.12 | Pralix | hrmm |
| 21:10.12 | lekter | I expect to announce it in about an hour. |
| 21:10.18 | Pralix | time to verify this kernel |
| 21:10.32 | kergoth | lekter: heh, didnt work with the gentoo embedded folks? i know jacques has been running gentoo on his ipaq for ages |
| 21:10.34 | absentia | cool |
| 21:11.15 | lekter | I didn't know. Where can I find jacques? |
| 21:12.00 | kergoth | um, theres an irc chan on freenode for it |
| 21:12.12 | kergoth | yeah, #gentoo-embedded |
| 21:12.33 | kergoth | i'm a fan of crosscompiling builds that dont require a native device myself |
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| 21:14.23 | usual | kergoth, what do you use your Z for? |
| 21:14.42 | absentia | I want to build on a linux box for the Z |
| 21:14.44 | absentia | but I don't trust that |
| 21:14.46 | kergoth | i dont use my Z at all |
| 21:14.48 | absentia | (to make ipks, etc) |
| 21:14.51 | kergoth | not anymore |
| 21:15.07 | absentia | kergoth has a naiZ |
| 21:15.33 | absentia | new and improved Z |
| 21:15.46 | usual | does anyone here actually use a Z for daily tasks? |
| 21:15.53 | yeiazel | yes |
| 21:16.06 | usual | other than solitare |
| 21:16.08 | Disconnect | yep |
| 21:16.10 | usual | heh |
| 21:16.13 | Disconnect | pim, ssh, vnc, web.. |
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| 21:16.29 | usual | Disconnect, do you run oz? |
| 21:17.08 | Disconnect | yep |
| 21:17.22 | Disconnect | it'd be even more useful if the keyboard worked properly (ahem) |
| 21:18.00 | usual | Disconnect, I decided to give 3.3.6pre1 a shot last night and I must say it is far better than 3.3.5 so far, crashes a hell of a lot less |
| 21:18.31 | Disconnect | hrm. any runcompat support for quickexec apps? (eg hancomsheet) |
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| 21:19.32 | Disconnect | and (something I didn't think about until last night) the ability to bind lid-close to backlight-zero would be handy as well. |
| 21:19.50 | usual | One thing I can't seem to understand yet about OZ is why I can barely install any software after installing the rom, it says it has like 400kb of free space |
| 21:20.04 | usual | One thing I can't seem to understand yet about OZ is why I can barely install any software after installing the rom, it says it has like 400kb of free space |
| 21:20.06 | usual | oops |
| 21:20.41 | kergoth | stop installing packages to flash. |
| 21:20.44 | kergoth | use the ramdisk |
| 21:20.57 | usual | kergoth, I didn't see an option to pick it, I must have missed it |
| 21:21.01 | usual | :) |
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| 21:21.06 | kergoth | yep, you did. its on the "to install" dialog |
| 21:21.10 | kergoth | theres a install destination dropdown |
| 21:21.19 | usual | cool |
| 21:22.25 | usual | kergoth, is the compat pkg for oz in the feed? I didn't see it |
| 21:22.31 | usual | I was going to try some apps |
| 21:22.39 | kergoth | no, its on mithro's site |
| 21:22.44 | usual | ahh url? |
| 21:22.48 | kergoth | ibot: listkeys oz compat |
| 21:22.56 | kergoth | ibot: listkeys compat |
| 21:23.04 | kergoth | ibot: oz-compat |
| 21:23.06 | | rumour has it, oz-compat is http://www.mithis.com/zaurus/ipkgs/ |
| 21:23.09 | kergoth | there |
| 21:23.17 | usual | thanky ou kind sir |
| 21:23.21 | kergoth | np |
| 21:23.39 | Disconnect | ibot: forget i don't compatibilty |
| 21:23.51 | kergoth | ibot: worst thing about braking copmatibility? |
| 21:23.53 | | kergoth: bugger all, i dunno |
| 21:23.55 | kergoth | ibot: worst thing about braking compatibility? |
| 21:23.57 | | [worst thing about braking compatibility] that it's very hard to test a new server |
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| 21:24.04 | Disconnect | oh thats just rich. <ibot> cannot remove factoid 'i don't compatibilty', too old. (12423.8914236111>6048) use 'no,' instead |
| 21:24.20 | kergoth | hah |
| 21:25.16 | Disconnect | so anyone have info on the missing qws_server_display_spec for libsl? afaik its one of the last things the compat libs are missing.. |
| 21:29.06 | CAMCAM | Pralix: I have a strange question to ask to you. You were trying to port Mandrake to ARM PDA or simply wanted to use it on your PC? |
| 21:31.31 | Pralix | I was using it on my PC |
| 21:31.46 | Pralix | and it was giving kergoth fits when I had some problems with the build enviornment |
| 21:33.16 | CAMCAM | ;) k, I see. I had to use a partition for Debian also.. |
| 21:33.44 | Pralix | grrr |
| 21:33.53 | kergoth | heh, the new OE build tools could build you an rpm based distro |
| 21:33.56 | kergoth | if you were feeling twisted |
| 21:34.05 | Pralix | no silicon image sata support for me yet |
| 21:34.41 | usual | kergoth, rootx's thingy doesn't work |
| 21:35.08 | Pralix | kergoth is having problems with his thingy? |
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| 21:54.11 | am | is there anyone here that would be able to help me with a sync issue under linux? |
| 21:56.10 | am | I have a 2.38 sharp ROM, slackware 9.1 running 2.4.23 and qtopia-desktop 1.7 |
| 21:56.26 | jcsitte | Wish I could help... |
| 21:56.26 | am | I can ping the Z but i qtopia for some reason can't see it |
| 21:56.51 | jcsitte | This the qtopia software? |
| 21:56.59 | jcsitte | Qtopia desktop... |
| 21:57.04 | am | yeh |
| 21:57.07 | am | from trolltech |
| 21:57.18 | jcsitte | I found that a pain myself on Linux and Windows... |
| 21:57.43 | jcsitte | The only one that works for me so far is the default sharp desktop software for win32 unfortunantly. |
| 21:57.48 | am | i dont understand it coz OZ syncs no problem...but OZ hasn't got all the features i need right now.... |
| 21:57.59 | jcsitte | heh |
| 21:58.00 | kergoth | sharp's latest roms dont work with trolltech qtopia desktops |
| 21:58.03 | am | yeh i dont have a windows box unfortunately |
| 21:58.05 | kergoth | since sharp broke compatibility |
| 21:58.18 | am | kergoth..2.38 isn't new |
| 21:58.26 | am | its an old one |
| 21:58.27 | kergoth | no idea then. |
| 21:58.30 | jcsitte | sharp rom 1.32 here |
| 21:58.32 | kergoth | can you ftp to your z on port 4242? |
| 21:58.34 | jcsitte | sl-5600 |
| 21:58.48 | am | kergoth: nope |
| 21:58.54 | kergoth | am: whats it do? |
| 21:59.32 | am | well thats the thing...qtopia will just try to find the pda and nothing...i can still use it but it doesn't find the Z |
| 21:59.38 | kergoth | .. |
| 21:59.43 | am | or did you mean when i ftp to it |
| 21:59.48 | kergoth | i mean when you ftp to it |
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| 22:00.19 | am | 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection |
| 22:00.29 | enginuitor | Anybody know if it's possible to run a shell on the Z's serial port? |
| 22:00.37 | kergoth | am: what ip did you assign your desktop? |
| 22:00.47 | kergoth | am: oh, are you trying to sync over an interface other than usb? |
| 22:00.47 | am | 192.168.129.200 |
| 22:00.57 | am | nah this is usb.. |
| 22:01.04 | enginuitor | Like, so I could use a serial terminal program to fsck around on the Z? |
| 22:01.12 | am | and i have acm and CDCEther blacklisted |
| 22:01.27 | kergoth | hm, let me try to remember |
| 22:01.27 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:01.34 | kergoth | i havent used a sharp rom in like a year |
| 22:01.35 | am | i can't understand it...happens on my other system at home too... |
| 22:02.18 | am | hehe yeh i dont like the sharp roms OZ is much better but its not quite stable enough for me yet |
| 22:02.57 | kergoth | heh, yeah, the 3.3.x releases werent really intended to be solid, they were just to show people that we arent being idle, and to hold people over for 3.5.x |
| 22:03.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:03.25 | am | ah your one of the OZ developers then i take it.. |
| 22:04.04 | kergoth | yep, i'm the maintainer |
| 22:04.50 | am | ah, well yeh, thats some nice software you guys have written..i can't wait for the next stable.. |
| 22:05.20 | kergoth | you might be interested to know that there'll be OZ based qtopia images as well as opie ones, fairly soon |
| 22:05.24 | kergoth | and X of course |
| 22:05.42 | kergoth | well, soon is relative |
| 22:05.53 | am | does that mean the jvm etc..will work with oz? |
| 22:05.55 | jcsitte | soon is better than later. |
| 22:06.01 | jcsitte | or never |
| 22:07.18 | am | anyhoo, any ideas whats going on with this sharp rom? i am sorta stuck and dont know the Z's all that well |
| 22:07.30 | kergoth | jeode should work in gcc2 oz's now |
| 22:07.39 | kergoth | if you mean an open source one with qtopia bindings, thats still a ways off |
| 22:07.44 | kergoth | the guy that was working on it is doing other things |
| 22:08.12 | kergoth | except something about the ip of hte desktop. just for shits, try changing it to 192.168.129.1 |
| 22:08.20 | am | k |
| 22:08.33 | am | i know with the 2.39 ones you are supposed to use DHCP |
| 22:08.52 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:08.54 | kergoth | silly |
| 22:09.08 | kergoth | their "security" methodologies arent secure, they're annoying |
| 22:09.43 | am | hehe....umm yeh i changed the ip but that didn't work either. |
| 22:09.59 | kergoth | does sharp have a security app in that version of hte rom? |
| 22:10.26 | am | yeh but it just changes the passcode |
| 22:10.44 | am | should i take that off? |
| 22:12.46 | kergoth | nah |
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| 22:12.55 | kergoth | oh hell, i dont remember what causes that anymore |
| 22:12.57 | kergoth | sorry :\ |
| 22:13.01 | kergoth | my memory sucks |
| 22:14.06 | am | hehe....any idea where i could try and find out? |
| 22:14.12 | am | i really need this to sync |
| 22:14.26 | kergoth | hmm, not offhand.. probably just need to keep asking in here |
| 22:14.34 | kergoth | could always check the unofficial z faq, if you havent already |
| 22:14.38 | kergoth | or the zaurus mailing list archives |
| 22:17.27 | am | k cool, can i just google for those? |
| 22:17.32 | yeiazel | kergoth: your memory sucks ? |
| 22:17.34 | kergoth | yeah |
| 22:17.38 | yeiazel | are you sandisk powered ? |
| 22:17.44 | kergoth | i hope not |
| 22:18.13 | am | thanks for your help kergoth, and thanks for your OZ contribution too, i will be waiting for the next stable :) |
| 22:18.34 | kergoth | heh, np, sorry i couldnt help further |
| 22:20.28 | am | thats cool, i have been asking for 3 days and you and jcsitte are the only ones that have even replied :) |
| 22:20.42 | kergoth | hehe. the community isnt what it once was :\ |
| 22:22.51 | rev | yarr |
| 22:23.04 | treke | yo rev |
| 22:23.09 | rev | hey |
| 22:23.15 | rev | yup |
| 22:23.16 | jcsitte | ohw ell |
| 22:23.19 | jcsitte | oh well |
| 22:23.20 | rev | there will be a release believe you me |
| 22:23.22 | jcsitte | :( |
| 22:31.58 | am | grr why are sharp so stupid...why have they not realised that proper linux/bsd support is necessary |
| 22:32.43 | rev | heh |
| 22:32.47 | treke | of all the stupidities, I think not having linux support is towards the bottom of the list :) |
| 22:32.50 | rev | sharp is very obviously not smart about this linux stuff |
| 22:32.55 | rev | it is obvious in many ways |
| 22:33.04 | rev | i think they're just interested in not paying for a $10 WinCE license |
| 22:33.13 | rev | erll, $10 per unit |
| 22:33.22 | rev | the way they've run things it certainly seems that way |
| 22:35.33 | am | yeh but, like, they know how to make it work under linux and they still just make ROM's that only work under windows even after they have realised that linux users want to sync.. |
| 22:36.27 | jcsitte | people care about linux users? |
| 22:36.28 | am | even if they just made the sync formats compatible.. |
| 22:36.31 | jcsitte | hehehe |
| 22:36.50 | am | i mean what do they gain from having proprietry formats |
| 22:37.11 | treke | control over who can access the data :) |
| 22:37.26 | jcsitte | muahahahaa! |
| 22:37.32 | meshuga | anyone got opera7? |
| 22:37.53 | warmi | meshuga: yeah |
| 22:37.57 | meshuga | warmi : can you dcc? |
| 22:38.12 | meshuga | all i got is 6, and the keyboard commands arent working in oz 3.3.6-pre1 |
| 22:38.14 | treke | they also make it harder for people to support non zaurus qtopia pdas |
| 22:39.03 | jcsitte | ahhh yes. |
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| 22:39.37 | warmi | uh .. never mind .. I thought you were talking about desktop opera .. |
| 22:39.37 | warmi | hehe |
| 22:39.38 | jcsitte | where is operah7? |
| 22:39.55 | jcsitte | err no "h" |
| 22:51.21 | am | is there anyway i can get qtopia-desktop to out put an error when it tries to connect to the PDA and can't find it |
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| 22:57.15 | fifth | jcsitte: its in the zug feed |
| 22:57.50 | fifth | http://www.zaurususergroup.com/feed/ |
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| 23:01.27 | absentia | re |
| 23:12.38 | jcsitte | fifth: thanks |
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| 23:26.18 | jcsitte | Mailing lists are my preference... |
| 23:26.27 | absentia | ya |
| 23:26.33 | absentia | buth are repetitious |
| 23:26.47 | jcsitte | wikis are nice too |
| 23:27.45 | treke | wikis are cool |
| 23:28.00 | absentia | there just needs to be some open parts, some more closed parts (or groups) .. |
| 23:28.13 | absentia | :-) |
| 23:28.28 | MG_Tak | frickin qtopia doesn't seem to understand resolution |
| 23:29.07 | jcsitte | heh |
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| 23:51.30 | am | kergoth: If you remember what would cause that syncing problem or talk to someone that might remember is it possible you could email me and let me know...andrew.mason<at>hotkey.net.au.. |
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