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| 00:11.17 | reighn | where do I get cacko's zimage? |
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| 00:14.26 | reighn | what exactly is a zimage? |
| 00:14.40 | George- | a compressed kernel image |
| 00:15.01 | reighn | and whats a kernal image? |
| 00:15.14 | George- | it's the image where the kernel is? :) |
| 00:15.57 | reighn | whats a kernal? |
| 00:16.20 | George- | it's "kernel" and it's the core of an operating system. it's _the_ linux |
| 00:16.34 | George- | ibot: kernel? |
| 00:16.36 | | i heard kernel is in /dev/mtdblock2 or /boot (fam 0.5). To build one, see http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/Building%20a%20new%20kernel |
| 00:16.46 | George- | useless pile of perl. |
| 00:16.52 | reighn | hehe |
| 00:17.23 | reighn | well I tried putting tkc 2.2.1 on my zaurus 860 and all I got was a light blue bar on the bottom with a green T symbol |
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| 00:17.31 | George- | you have an 860? |
| 00:17.35 | reighn | George- yes |
| 00:17.40 | George- | lucky bastard. |
| 00:18.01 | reighn | when you work hard you get what you want |
| 00:19.28 | reighn | does the type of zimage matter when putting on tkc? |
| 00:19.45 | George- | yes |
| 00:19.51 | George- | you need a zImage for the C860 |
| 00:19.57 | reighn | where can I get one? |
| 00:20.02 | George- | dunno |
| 00:20.08 | George- | I don't care much for tkc |
| 00:20.20 | George- | not a big fan of their CEO |
| 00:20.40 | reighn | what's so bad about their ceo? |
| 00:21.19 | George- | I think he's a bit ignorant of the opensource community |
| 00:21.40 | reighn | oh |
| 00:22.00 | reighn | well I'm looking for a rom that can work fully on my 860 and can use all the programs |
| 00:22.09 | George- | (this is all my personal opinion, it may not tie in with anyone elses) |
| 00:22.24 | George- | the 860 is a glorified 760 isn't it? |
| 00:22.47 | reighn | yes |
| 00:22.58 | George- | are there any fundamental hardware differences? |
| 00:23.06 | George- | if so, maybe a 760 ROM will work on it? |
| 00:23.10 | George- | like OZ or something |
| 00:23.13 | George- | no idea about tkc |
| 00:24.25 | reighn | I tried OZ, fustrating that it doesn't turn on properly and doesn't rotate when I rotate my screen |
| 00:24.38 | reighn | is cacko's qtopia the same as X11? |
| 00:24.46 | George- | what? |
| 00:24.50 | George- | Qtopia isn't X11... |
| 00:25.29 | reighn | at the bottom of http://www.zaurususergroup.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=UpDownload&file=index&req=viewsdownload&sid=30 |
| 00:25.42 | reighn | New Qtopia ROM for 700/750/760/860 |
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| 00:29.25 | George- | reighn: uh, well, I don't know what you're talking about, but X11 has nothing to do with Qtopia ;) |
| 00:29.45 | reighn | George- go to http://www.zaurususergroup.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=UpDownload&file=index&req=viewsdownload&sid=30 |
| 00:29.49 | reighn | look at the bottom of the page |
| 00:29.56 | reighn | slc7x0-Qtopia-0240311203.zip |
| 00:30.01 | reighn | it's in the cacko/rom section |
| 00:30.07 | George- | yes |
| 00:30.09 | George- | that's Qtopia.. |
| 00:30.57 | reighn | so cacko does both qtopia and x11? |
| 00:31.02 | George- | yes |
| 00:31.35 | reighn | is qtopia faster than x11? |
| 00:31.43 | reighn | cause I tried x11 and it was incredibly slow |
| 00:31.50 | George- | depends. |
| 00:31.58 | George- | X11 running IceWM is faster than Qtopia |
| 00:32.06 | reighn | is qtopia more compatible than x11? |
| 00:32.09 | George- | no. |
| 00:32.17 | George- | but qtopia is more suited to embedded devices |
| 00:32.32 | George- | so most of the embedded stuff you'll see for the Zaurus will be written for Qtopia |
| 00:32.39 | George- | or Opie (an opensource fork of Qtopia) |
| 00:32.59 | reighn | is hancom compatible with qtopia? |
| 00:33.07 | George- | hancom is qtopia-only |
| 00:33.09 | George- | iirc |
| 00:33.14 | Cameron | naw |
| 00:33.17 | Cameron | used to be |
| 00:33.18 | George- | unless you get their desktop version :) |
| 00:33.28 | Cameron | a more recent release of OZ makes it work, I believe |
| 00:33.29 | George- | Cameron: it was ported to X11? |
| 00:33.32 | Cameron | naw |
| 00:33.38 | Cameron | oh |
| 00:33.40 | George- | then it's Qtopia-only. |
| 00:33.45 | Cameron | sorry, didn't catch the conversation |
| 00:33.50 | Cameron | no, it's qtopia and opie-only |
| 00:34.04 | Cameron | but in this context, it's "qtopia-only" |
| 00:34.11 | reighn | what is tkc? |
| 00:34.14 | Cameron | the kompany |
| 00:34.16 | George- | means "qtopia and compatible only" |
| 00:34.21 | George- | reighn: thekompany.com |
| 00:34.27 | Cameron | lol, George- |
| 00:34.34 | reighn | I know, but is tkc qtopia or opie? |
| 00:34.42 | George- | ie - fruitopia and opie |
| 00:34.46 | George- | reighn: Qtopia. |
| 00:35.43 | reighn | Cameron - do you know where I can get a zimage for TKC for my 860? |
| 00:36.15 | reighn | I tried OZ's zimage and it messed up |
| 00:36.52 | lekter | reighn: what do you use the zaurus for? |
| 00:37.14 | lekter | reign: options: pim, hacking, games, ... |
| 00:37.41 | reighn | I need it for school and work |
| 00:37.51 | reighn | school: need to use my pockettop and preferably hancom word |
| 00:38.30 | reighn | work: need to surf the net, so I need the screen to rotate when I rotate |
| 00:38.58 | reighn | I tried installing the drivers on OZ, didn't work, OZ won't allow rotation of the screen when I rotate the LCD |
| 00:39.07 | reighn | so I'm not too into OZ |
| 00:39.10 | lekter | I use many times Abiword and Gnumeric with cacko x11 rom. They are the FULL apps, so much better than hancomm |
| 00:39.22 | reighn | lekter - cool |
| 00:39.24 | lekter | For example, you have graphics in gnumeric |
| 00:39.47 | reighn | I find that x11 is far too slow |
| 00:39.56 | reighn | so I'm giving cacko's qtopia a shot |
| 00:40.28 | lekter | You are gonna like it. Cacko Qtopia rom is the best (after x11, of course) |
| 00:40.41 | George- | no, OpenZaurus is easily the best. |
| 00:40.53 | reighn | lekter - is qtopia faster than x11? |
| 00:41.17 | lekter | George-, with 760 openzaurus is almost unusable. |
| 00:41.31 | George- | lekter: fix it then |
| 00:41.32 | George- | :P |
| 00:41.51 | reighn | lekter - it says "Probably, you want to format internal user flash rom |
| 00:41.56 | reighn | " should I choose Yes? |
| 00:42.13 | lekter | reighn: Now, qtopia is faster. But in 1 or two days... There is something cooking... |
| 00:42.57 | lekter | George-, I'm working on X11 rom (I'm porting gentoo to it) so I have no time to work on openzaurus |
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| 00:43.29 | reighn | lekter - so should I format my internal user flash rom? |
| 00:43.34 | lekter | reighn, do it. It will erase all your data and start as just formatted |
| 00:43.50 | George- | why on earth would you want to port gentoo? |
| 00:43.50 | lekter | I hope you did a backup |
| 00:44.10 | reighn | lekter - I have a nand backup I got off the ner |
| 00:44.11 | reighn | net |
| 00:44.24 | lekter | George-, to access 4000+ packages and easy compile them |
| 00:44.29 | Foxdie | hi George- |
| 00:44.40 | George- | lekter: most apps need specific patches to port them |
| 00:44.52 | George- | lekter: of those 4000 only about 150 will run :) |
| 00:44.52 | reighn | lekter - so lekter, what is cooking that is going to be so great? |
| 00:44.54 | George- | Foxdie: hi |
| 00:45.04 | George- | Foxdie: just found something interesting: |
| 00:45.07 | Foxdie | oh? |
| 00:45.13 | George- | Foxdie: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35890 |
| 00:45.22 | lekter | reighn, a nand restore will restore your documents and all the system (so you will loose cacko rom) |
| 00:45.22 | George- | was pointed out to me on #kde-devel :) |
| 00:45.27 | lekter | george, I know |
| 00:45.50 | reighn | reighn - ok |
| 00:46.00 | reighn | lekter - ok |
| 00:46.08 | lekter | But many packages will work |
| 00:46.16 | Foxdie | LOL |
| 00:46.19 | Foxdie | whats wrong with gentoo? |
| 00:46.24 | Foxdie | is it like the ME of windows? |
| 00:46.25 | lekter | Almost all SDL packages is working |
| 00:46.26 | reighn | lekter - does pockettop/micro innovations work on cacko's qtopia/x11? |
| 00:46.51 | lekter | reighn, I don't know |
| 00:47.14 | reighn | well there are drivers for it, but it's in this .ipk format, how do I get this driver on my zaurus? |
| 00:47.34 | George- | Foxdie: mwahahaha, "leetish assholes" comes to mind |
| 00:47.40 | Foxdie | indeed |
| 00:47.45 | Foxdie | I hate people who are elitist :( |
| 00:47.45 | George- | then again |
| 00:47.47 | George- | I'm using gentoo |
| 00:47.48 | lekter | Foxdie, Gentoo is my favorite distro. Very easy to use (but more or less hard to install) |
| 00:48.09 | Foxdie | I just wanted to know if it was the ME of linux |
| 00:48.39 | lekter | Foxdie, what do you mean with ME? Millenium Edition? I don't understand |
| 00:49.06 | Foxdie | the runt of the litter basically |
| 00:49.28 | George- | bleh |
| 00:49.35 | George- | I use Gentoo on PowerPC |
| 00:49.47 | George- | because I hate Debian's politics and the unorganised mess that they seem to be in |
| 00:49.57 | George- | and Gentoo and Debian are the only distros that run well on PowerPC :( |
| 00:49.58 | reighn | qtopia is sweet |
| 00:50.02 | reighn | fast and has hancom |
| 00:50.04 | reighn | !!!! |
| 00:51.18 | lekter | reighn, if you like this rom, I suggest to do a repartition (via menu from cacko) to have 90 Mb in /home instead 64. But only on 760. |
| 00:52.34 | lekter | The "emerge sync" on my zaurus is finishing. I hope tonight I'm gonna be able to compile my first package. |
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| 00:54.56 | reighn | lekter - so just type in 25 on the repartition |
| 00:54.59 | reighn | ? |
| 00:55.34 | George- | jesus, it'll take DAYS to install Gentoo on that thing. |
| 00:55.47 | lekter | Yes. I always type 30 but 25 seems ok. |
| 00:56.19 | reighn | 30 it is |
| 00:56.30 | reighn | lekter - what would happen if I was to type in 20? |
| 00:56.34 | lekter | George-, I have a working distcc with my laptop. |
| 00:56.51 | George- | maybe only 2 days then :P |
| 00:56.56 | lekter | reighn, the rom will not fit in 20 (it's size is almost 25 mb) |
| 00:57.28 | lekter | George, it's the laptop who compiles everything, not the zaurus. The zaurus only does the ./configure thing. |
| 00:57.49 | reighn | lekter - i know, I was just wondering |
| 00:57.51 | lekter | The beauty of distcc is that all is made transparently |
| 00:58.37 | lekter | The zaurus "thinks" that everything is compiled localy but it isn't. |
| 00:59.11 | lekter | You need a working gcc for arm on both sides of course. |
| 00:59.34 | lekter | If I succeed, I will write everything on a howto. |
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| 01:07.03 | reighn | lekter - will my 860 sync with cackos qtopia rom? |
| 01:07.35 | lekter | reighn, I don't understand. |
| 01:07.47 | lekter | Ahhh |
| 01:07.57 | lekter | I think yes |
| 01:08.03 | reighn | when the cable |
| 01:08.06 | reighn | with the cable |
| 01:08.08 | reighn | I mean |
| 01:08.17 | lekter | The pim apps are the same |
| 01:08.49 | lekter | To sync with evolution, It's better to use the opie ones |
| 01:09.03 | reighn | what do you recommend I use? |
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| 01:11.19 | George- | lekter: I do know about distcc... |
| 01:11.24 | George- | lekter: I use it between my two powerbooks |
| 01:12.03 | lekter | reighn, try both. |
| 01:12.31 | lekter | George-, I see. The last key is the disk space. |
| 01:12.40 | Bryan_W | gah! I just saw this "R" they put in the back of my zaurus :( |
| 01:12.53 | reighn | lekter - this program is called "evolution"? |
| 01:13.18 | George- | Bryan_W: ? |
| 01:13.19 | lekter | evolution is the PIM app I use on my linux laptop |
| 01:13.43 | Bryan_W | I bought a 5500 from tigerdirect |
| 01:13.48 | lekter | George-, it is a must to do everything on a NFS volume. |
| 01:13.53 | Bryan_W | it was referbished |
| 01:14.38 | Bryan_W | so they inscribe an R into the back of the thing |
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| 01:21.08 | fishy | NOOO |
| 01:21.10 | fishy | Tigerdirect is evil |
| 01:21.36 | Bryan_W | I wouldn't go that far |
| 01:21.50 | Bryan_W | The zaurus still works |
| 01:23.12 | George- | fishy: ? |
| 01:23.19 | George- | oh right |
| 01:23.23 | George- | Bryan_W: hahahaha :P |
| 01:24.30 | reighn | which is better kino or mplater |
| 01:24.32 | reighn | mplayer |
| 01:26.54 | fishy | Bryan_W: did they atleast send you're zaurus in a box with packing materials? |
| 01:27.05 | fishy | your* |
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| 01:29.12 | Bryan_W | yeah |
| 01:29.26 | lekter | reighn, use kino. kino=mplayer + gui + patches |
| 01:29.35 | Bryan_W | albeit a small box inside a huge box |
| 01:31.22 | reighn | cool |
| 01:31.55 | Bryan_W | hmmm |
| 01:37.54 | reighn | lekter - can I repartition after I install Qtopia or does the repartition have to be done before installation of qtopia? |
| 01:38.54 | lekter | repartition will make you loose all data. |
| 01:39.06 | lekter | so do it before. |
| 01:39.06 | reighn | oh ok |
| 01:40.10 | reighn | I just repartiitoned now and it booted into qtopia |
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| 01:56.03 | reighn | lekter - when I try to install gnumeric and abiword I get an error saying that it requires other software to operate properly, why might I be getting this error? |
| 01:57.04 | lekter | reighn, gnumeric and abiword only works on cacko X11 rom, not in cacko qtopia rom. |
| 01:57.20 | reighn | damn |
| 01:58.08 | reighn | then does all of http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/ programs work? |
| 01:59.00 | lekter | reighn, almost all of them will work ok. |
| 01:59.05 | reighn | sweet |
| 02:01.30 | treke|home | yo chame1e0n |
| 02:01.34 | treke|home | ChipX86: |
| 02:01.39 | ChipX86 | hey |
| 02:04.58 | reighn | lekter - the prboom at http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=333, I installed it and cannot seem to find it |
| 02:05.16 | reighn | where would it be? |
| 02:07.51 | lekter | I don't know. Run it from a terminal or make an icon for it. It needs some command line options to work. |
| 02:08.05 | lekter | I can't remember which options. |
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| 02:09.07 | reighn | what do I type in to run it? |
| 02:10.57 | lekter | I remember to see the correct way to launch it on http://externe.net/zaurus/forum/ |
| 02:11.50 | lekter | prboom is one of the "hard" packages (scummvm, qpose, and others too) |
| 02:13.41 | reighn | ok cool |
| 02:13.50 | reighn | have you tried quake yet? |
| 02:15.09 | lekter | no I didn't |
| 02:15.44 | lekter | I use prboom on X11 and it's speed is very good. |
| 02:15.47 | reighn | looks pretty good |
| 02:15.54 | reighn | yea people say quake is a do |
| 02:15.54 | reighn | g |
| 02:17.00 | lekter | With X11, you have an overclocking utility. I will try quake with it some day |
| 02:17.34 | reighn | cool |
| 02:18.01 | reighn | lekter - so what are you coming out with in a couple of days? |
| 02:18.49 | lekter | reighn, I don't understand (I'm not a native english speaker). What do you mean? |
| 02:19.35 | reighn | "reighn: Now, qtopia is faster. But in 1 or two days... There is something cooking..." |
| 02:19.42 | reighn | what is it that is cooking? |
| 02:20.47 | lekter | I only know a little portion of the cake. We are going to have an accelerated display on X11 rom. |
| 02:20.51 | lekter | It seems. |
| 02:21.36 | lekter | And It seems too that someone is working hard on bringing compatibility of qtopia apps on X11. |
| 02:21.46 | reighn | cool |
| 02:22.03 | reighn | when will this x11 be released? |
| 02:22.05 | lekter | There seems it is going to happen very soon. |
| 02:22.23 | lekter | I don't know. Cacko is working on it. |
| 02:26.55 | reighn | cool |
| 02:27.22 | reighn | with prboom I get an error while loading shared libraries: libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0:... |
| 02:27.30 | reighn | how can this be fixed? |
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| 02:31.39 | reighn | should I just get x11? |
| 02:34.37 | lekter | no |
| 02:34.49 | reighn | why? |
| 02:34.54 | lekter | install libsdl 1.2.5cvs ... (search killefiz |
| 02:34.55 | lekter | ) |
| 02:35.11 | lekter | you need libsdl to play many games |
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| 02:39.22 | clparks | i need some help with my zaurus |
| 02:40.27 | clparks | i installed open zaurus, but the problem is, ill install ( or at least try to ) install other software, the installation program says the install cancels due to some cryptic error. its a pretty vague question, but what is wrong?? |
| 02:42.02 | clparks | i think i would rather just reinstall the stock OS for it, any tips? |
| 02:42.49 | reighn | thnx |
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| 03:11.03 | devnet | hello all |
| 03:11.28 | devnet | I installed cacko's qtopia, when I started there was a shutdown button, now there is no shutdown button, so how do I shutdown my zaurus? |
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| 03:20.10 | Bryan_W | does anyone have xrick? |
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| 03:31.18 | csmall | absentia, you around? |
| 03:32.42 | csmall | can someone help me connect to my zaurs with intelisync and oz? |
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| 03:35.27 | ljp | try running the security settings app and select your ip |
| 03:35.34 | csmall | i did |
| 03:38.30 | ljp | hm |
| 03:38.31 | ljp | m |
| 03:38.39 | csmall | this software is crap |
| 03:38.43 | csmall | the sync software |
| 03:41.54 | Bryan_W | lol |
| 03:43.13 | csmall | this is insane |
| 03:44.17 | csmall | can qtopia do file tranfers |
| 03:44.24 | csmall | qtopia desktop |
| 03:44.43 | Bryan_W | I don't know |
| 03:44.53 | Bryan_W | use ftp? |
| 03:45.03 | smashie | (04:45:36) (f~csmall) can qtopia do file tranfers |
| 03:45.04 | csmall | i can't access the damn thing |
| 03:45.05 | smashie | yep it can |
| 03:45.11 | smashie | it took me 2 days to get it working tho :P |
| 03:45.16 | smashie | but in the end it worked fine |
| 03:45.18 | csmall | smashie, I didn't see anywhere in it |
| 03:45.28 | smashie | its Documents |
| 03:45.31 | smashie | then you just press Upload |
| 03:45.36 | smashie | and choose a file |
| 03:45.41 | csmall | ok |
| 03:45.42 | smashie | which will be uploaded then |
| 03:45.43 | smashie | :) |
| 03:45.43 | csmall | i'll try it |
| 03:45.50 | csmall | intelisync sucks ass |
| 03:46.03 | smashie | never tried it |
| 03:46.32 | csmall | brb |
| 03:46.51 | Bryan_W | I can't get my zaurus to stay connected |
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| 03:51.32 | Bryan_W | oh well sleep time |
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| 04:14.23 | csmall | this is nuts |
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| 04:26.25 | mrwoody | does anyone use qpzidian? |
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| 04:51.20 | devnet | hello |
| 04:51.50 | devnet | anyone here use x11? |
| 04:54.38 | mrwoody | on my linux box i do |
| 04:54.48 | tanq | how goes it |
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| 04:58.16 | devnet | I hear x11 is slow at loading, but are the apps slow? |
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| 05:06.41 | devnet | anyone use abiword? |
| 05:09.29 | chuckr | It's not slow. It should be, but I have run qpe and X11, and it's not slow |
| 05:09.45 | devnet | cool |
| 05:09.54 | devnet | so you've run abiword? |
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| 05:34.17 | Cameron | Why can't I seem to make a swap partition on my /home? |
| 05:34.58 | rgrep | Cameron: A swap partition replaces an entire partition |
| 05:35.00 | Cameron | mkswap /home/swap (a blank, 18 MB file from dd if=/dev/zero bs=1024 count=18...) ought to work, no? |
| 05:35.09 | Cameron | rgrep: I can't have a swap FILE? |
| 05:35.17 | Cameron | I did on my SD card for a little while |
| 05:35.27 | rgrep | You can, but not on a jffs2 partition :) |
| 05:35.27 | Cameron | but my SD card seems to be defective, rgrep |
| 05:35.29 | Cameron | rgrep: ahah |
| 05:35.33 | Cameron | why not on a jffs2? |
| 05:35.52 | rgrep | My SD is a bit defective too. I have had to partition it to 106 MB (instead of 256) to make it work reliably. |
| 05:35.53 | Cameron | rgrep: and how then can I make a swap without SD or CF? |
| 05:36.09 | rgrep | Because of the way jffs2 works it doesn't support swap files |
| 05:36.18 | Cameron | ok. |
| 05:36.24 | Cameron | hrrm... well, then... |
| 05:36.35 | Cameron | that really stinks :-/ |
| 05:36.37 | rgrep | Have you tested your SD with 'badblocks' to find out which blocks are bad on it? |
| 05:36.53 | Cameron | no, I didn't even know the command :-D |
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| 05:36.57 | Cameron | thanks for mentioning it |
| 05:36.59 | Cameron | will try right now |
| 05:37.27 | rgrep | I recommend unmounting the SD card and then go into a directory you can write to and type the following: |
| 05:37.56 | rgrep | badblocks -svo sd.bad /dev/mmcda1 |
| 05:38.25 | Cameron | actually |
| 05:38.33 | Cameron | the card is so bad now, it seems, that it never mounted! |
| 05:38.47 | rgrep | that's no good |
| 05:38.50 | Cameron | [SD]-clustsize = 4000 |
| 05:38.50 | Cameron | VFS: Disk change detected on device mmcd(60,1) |
| 05:38.50 | Cameron | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:39.06 | rgrep | have you got two partitions on your SD? |
| 05:39.20 | Cameron | yes |
| 05:39.25 | Cameron | one was /mnt/card, the other swap |
| 05:40.23 | Cameron | # fdisk -l /dev/mmcda |
| 05:40.36 | Cameron | -> PDA locked COLD |
| 05:40.46 | Cameron | rgrep: so much for the salvage mission! |
| 05:40.53 | Cameron | rgrep: any other ideas? |
| 05:41.06 | rgrep | hmmm |
| 05:41.21 | rgrep | do you have an SD card reader on another computer? |
| 05:41.32 | Cameron | unfortunately, no |
| 05:41.35 | Cameron | only a CF reader |
| 05:41.57 | rgrep | perhaps fdisk locks up because of bad blocks right at the start of your SD card |
| 05:42.13 | Cameron | probably |
| 05:42.24 | Cameron | I removed the fstab entry, so it won't try to automount I think |
| 05:42.33 | Cameron | so I just run the badblocks prog immediately then? |
| 05:42.41 | rgrep | yes |
| 05:42.57 | rgrep | perhaps with a read/write test instead of read-only like i suggested above |
| 05:43.10 | rgrep | that would destory all partitions and data on your SD card though |
| 05:43.16 | Cameron | that's fine |
| 05:43.19 | Cameron | the command then is? |
| 05:43.53 | rgrep | where should it store the list of bad blocks? |
| 05:44.06 | rgrep | somewhere like /tmp ? |
| 05:44.06 | Cameron | rgrep: /home/badblocks?? |
| 05:44.09 | rgrep | ok |
| 05:44.10 | devnet | just tried x11 again and frankly cacko's qtopia is much better |
| 05:44.11 | Cameron | whatever |
| 05:44.18 | Cameron | /dev/shm would be fine too |
| 05:44.26 | Cameron | devnet: using cacko's qtopia right now |
| 05:44.34 | Cameron | problem is that it does need a swap file :) |
| 05:44.38 | Cameron | on my C700 @ least |
| 05:45.01 | rgrep | badblocks -wsvo /tmp/sd-card.badblocks /dev/mmcda |
| 05:45.08 | Cameron | thx |
| 05:45.11 | Cameron | rebooted OK now |
| 05:45.16 | devnet | Cameron - what swap file? |
| 05:45.17 | rgrep | note the "/dev/mmcda" rather than /dev/mmcda1 |
| 05:45.18 | Cameron | so I'm going to connect |
| 05:45.30 | Cameron | devnet: the one I'm creating ;-) |
| 05:45.34 | Cameron | rgrep: of course -- all partritions |
| 05:45.37 | Cameron | whole disk |
| 05:45.38 | devnet | Cameron - hehe sweet |
| 05:45.50 | devnet | Cameron - what other "Word" type programs are there for qtopia other than hancom? |
| 05:46.05 | treke|home | hancomword |
| 05:46.44 | treke|home | oh and there is also hancomword |
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| 05:46.54 | Cameron | :) |
| 05:46.58 | devnet | thats it? |
| 05:47.03 | treke|home | yup |
| 05:47.18 | treke|home | I guess you could also try hancomword |
| 05:47.36 | Cameron | here goes, rgrep |
| 05:47.37 | devnet | is it possible to get bold to active using just the keyboard rather than having to touch it on the screen? |
| 05:47.40 | Cameron | :: crosses fingers:: |
| 05:47.50 | Reddog-[Away] | dude.. you forgot hancomword |
| 05:47.58 | rgrep | devnet: ctrl-b ? |
| 05:48.08 | devnet | rgrep - nope |
| 05:48.12 | devnet | doesn't work |
| 05:48.17 | Cameron | Reddog-[Away]: there's also this program called "word"... I forget who makes it |
| 05:48.21 | Cameron | some korean company... |
| 05:48.25 | Cameron | ;-) |
| 05:48.38 | Reddog-[Away] | lol |
| 05:49.17 | treke|home | Reddog-[Away]: shoot thanks |
| 05:49.17 | Cameron | wow, rgrep, I'm so impressed already -- it hasn't trashed my machine yet! |
| 05:49.26 | devnet | is x11 releasing a quicker version sometime soon? |
| 05:49.46 | rgrep | Cameron: That's promising :) |
| 05:49.55 | Reddog-[Away] | lmao, i just found the BEST way to sell an old server on ebay |
| 05:49.57 | Cameron | korean, I was right |
| 05:50.10 | Reddog-[Away] | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3059325876&category=51229#ebayphotohosting |
| 05:50.28 | Cameron | haha |
| 05:51.06 | devnet | she's pretty hot |
| 05:52.05 | devnet | so abiword doesn't work on qtopia? |
| 05:52.14 | treke|home | devnet: no |
| 05:52.23 | treke|home | Reddog-[Away]: what is he selling? |
| 05:52.45 | Reddog-[Away] | dell poweredge server, i believe it was |
| 05:52.56 | treke|home | oh there is a server in those pictures |
| 05:53.07 | Reddog-[Away] | lol |
| 05:53.09 | Cameron | haha |
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| 06:01.27 | devnet | anyone use a pocketop keyboard? |
| 06:03.40 | Cameron | 123008 |
| 06:03.43 | Cameron | rgrep: wow! |
| 06:05.19 | rgrep | Cameron: 123008 bad blocks? |
| 06:05.27 | Cameron | yes |
| 06:05.34 | rgrep | Cameron: damn :) |
| 06:05.45 | rgrep | Cameron: Has it finished? |
| 06:05.55 | Cameron | haha yes |
| 06:06.34 | rgrep | Cameron: You can use the badblocks file it created to tell mkfs not to use those blocks in the filesystem |
| 06:06.55 | rgrep | Cameron: Or if the location of the blocks fits a trend you can partition around them like i did. |
| 06:07.15 | Cameron | hmm, how do I tell mkfs? |
| 06:07.39 | rgrep | Which fs type are you creating on your SD? |
| 06:07.46 | rgrep | ext2 or fat? |
| 06:07.48 | Cameron | mkswap, naturally |
| 06:08.03 | Cameron | rgrep: so does it work for swap? |
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| 06:08.58 | rgrep | Cameron: Do you want to use the SD entirely for swap, or do you want it to contain a swap file? |
| 06:09.50 | Cameron | rgrep: I don't care. Whichever will work. |
| 06:09.53 | Cameron | lol |
| 06:09.54 | rgrep | Cameron: A swap file might be better so you can store other files on the SD. |
| 06:10.12 | Cameron | rgrep: fine. how do I do that then, taking into account the bad blocks? |
| 06:10.30 | rgrep | Cameron: Well I can't find an option to mkswap to take a bad blocks file, though it does have a -c option which will check for bad blocks before creating the swap. |
| 06:10.42 | rgrep | But I would say it's easier to start of trying an ext2 partition. |
| 06:11.05 | Cameron | why would it be easier? |
| 06:11.10 | rgrep | So first you need to partition the SD with one big Linux ext2 partition. |
| 06:11.49 | Cameron | but if I only want swap space? is there any real disadvantage to just doing mkswap -c /dev/mmcda1 ? |
| 06:11.53 | rgrep | Cameron: Because you already have scanned for bad blocks and mke2fs will let you to provide the list of bad blocks :) |
| 06:11.59 | Cameron | ahah! |
| 06:12.00 | Cameron | thx |
| 06:12.16 | rgrep | Cameron: No that should be fine. And if you do mkswap -c /dev/mmcda you don't even need to partition :) |
| 06:12.39 | Cameron | rgrep: but if mke2fs allows me to use a list of blocks, I'll use it |
| 06:12.44 | Cameron | but how do I specify this? |
| 06:12.58 | Cameron | -l |
| 06:13.29 | rgrep | Cameron: Yes that's right. You'll need to partition first though. |
| 06:13.46 | Cameron | yup |
| 06:13.48 | Cameron | already done |
| 06:13.55 | Cameron | so then mke2fs -l /tmp/sd-card.badblocks /dev/mmcda1 |
| 06:14.00 | Cameron | that looks good to you? |
| 06:14.15 | rgrep | Yep that's fine, or mke2fs -vl /tmp/sd-card.badblocks /dev/mmcda1 |
| 06:14.26 | rgrep | The -v tells you what it's doing :) |
| 06:14.35 | Cameron | veerboze |
| 06:14.36 | Cameron | ;) |
| 06:14.51 | Cameron | Block 1 in primary superblock/group descriptor area bad. |
| 06:14.51 | Cameron | Blocks 1 through 3 must be good in order to build a filesystem. |
| 06:14.51 | Cameron | Aborting.... |
| 06:14.52 | Cameron | lol |
| 06:14.59 | Cameron | maybe I ought to move that partition around, eh? |
| 06:15.34 | rgrep | Yeah that would be a good idea :) |
| 06:16.08 | Cameron | yeesh |
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| 06:17.56 | Cameron | seems to just be 1-123007 |
| 06:18.01 | Cameron | haha |
| 06:18.16 | Cameron | that's the whole disk |
| 06:18.26 | rgrep | Cameron: oh no :( |
| 06:19.00 | rgrep | Cameron: Is it still under warranty? |
| 06:19.00 | Cameron | nope |
| 06:19.00 | Cameron | actually, it's LITERALLY the whole disk |
| 06:19.03 | rgrep | Cameron: What brand is it? |
| 06:19.06 | Cameron | it's a used card anyhow |
| 06:19.07 | Cameron | Sandisk |
| 06:19.09 | Cameron | (predictable) |
| 06:19.21 | Cameron | I doubt it's under warranty @ least |
| 06:19.36 | rgrep | Cameron: I have a Sandisk too. Is there more reliable brands? |
| 06:19.41 | Cameron | yes |
| 06:19.47 | Cameron | lots of sandisk horror stories |
| 06:19.49 | Cameron | lexar |
| 06:19.53 | Cameron | is supposed to be much better |
| 06:19.56 | Cameron | oh well |
| 06:20.00 | Cameron | thanks anyhow, rgrep |
| 06:20.06 | rgrep | no problem |
| 06:20.22 | tanq | no whammies |
| 06:20.24 | Cameron | rgrep: how about this: can I make an ext2 img file on a jffs2 partition, then mount it and make a swap file? |
| 06:20.26 | tanq | come on big bucks |
| 06:20.29 | Cameron | hehehehe |
| 06:20.48 | rgrep | Cameron: Actually that's not a bad idea, but i'm not sure if that would work. |
| 06:20.51 | treke|home | Cameron: wont work |
| 06:20.55 | Cameron | darn |
| 06:20.57 | treke|home | and that's a horrible idea :) |
| 06:21.05 | Cameron | treke|home: it was a funny idea @ least ;) |
| 06:21.12 | rgrep | yeah hehe :) |
| 06:21.16 | Cameron | treke|home: so I just have to give up & get a new SD, eh? |
| 06:21.36 | Cameron | treke|home: a Lexar 128 is a good choice, and it'll last me more than a week with a swap on it hehe? |
| 06:21.38 | treke|home | remember, the flash has a limited number of erase cycles, swap space is a good way to reach it quickly :) |
| 06:21.53 | Cameron | true enough. but what other solution is there? |
| 06:22.18 | treke|home | Cameron: That isn't a solution, when you burn out the internal flash you buy a new pda |
| 06:23.11 | Cameron | thanks, treke|home, rgrep |
| 06:23.21 | tanq | hm... |
| 06:23.33 | treke|home | lemme guess, you have a 5600 |
| 06:23.39 | Cameron | C700 |
| 06:23.46 | Cameron | close enough ;) |
| 06:23.47 | treke|home | same difference |
| 06:24.04 | Cameron | 'cept my screen's better ;) |
| 06:24.08 | treke|home | your on to a loser in general with swap space |
| 06:24.20 | rgrep | Out of HP, IBM, Kingston, Brother, Compaq, Verbatim, Acer, SanDisk, Belkin and Digitrex, which do you think would make the most reliable flash cards? |
| 06:24.29 | Cameron | then I need to find some way to free up mem, treke |
| 06:24.36 | treke|home | Cameron: Your best bet is to pick the cheapest media in genral |
| 06:26.08 | Cameron | treke|home: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-181-602&catalog=68&depa=1 |
| 06:26.16 | Cameron | treke|home: that look like a good bet? |
| 06:26.47 | treke|home | 21 bucks, sure |
| 06:27.11 | Cameron | thanks for the idea, treke|home |
| 06:27.13 | Cameron | ttyl |
| 06:29.26 | W8TVI | I just installed 3.3.6rc1 and my wireless card doesnt work with it |
| 06:29.45 | W8TVI | the light goes solid, and iwconfig doesnt show anything |
| 06:30.15 | W8TVI | and my card is a prism2.5 |
| 06:31.25 | W8TVI | dmesg shows a kernel opps |
| 06:31.27 | W8TVI | oops |
| 06:32.26 | W8TVI | unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address be6e4138 |
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| 07:01.01 | csmall | if I am trying to flash a rom and the green and amber lights only come on for a second am I screwed? |
| 07:01.30 | smashie | it didnt find the kernel or not the initrd.bin tho |
| 07:01.31 | smashie | rtfm |
| 07:01.46 | csmall | i flashed already with no problems |
| 07:02.03 | csmall | this time i put the images on with qtopia |
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| 07:09.53 | csmall | So is there anything I can do? |
| 07:10.56 | Pendalar | something with a gun |
| 07:11.31 | Pendalar | a) CF? b) FAT CF? c) zImage + initrd.bin? |
| 07:13.02 | csmall | fat cf zImage and initrd.bin |
| 07:13.20 | csmall | maybe qtopia cut the extention off? |
| 07:13.22 | csmall | I dunno |
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| 07:14.23 | Pendalar | maybe download it again (corrupt) |
| 07:15.52 | csmall | Pendalar, can I save the images to the cf card somehow? |
| 07:15.59 | csmall | Do I need to get a cf reader? |
| 07:16.13 | Pendalar | that or through the cradle |
| 07:16.15 | Pendalar | well |
| 07:16.27 | Pendalar | if your unit is working right, you can up it via cradle |
| 07:16.36 | Pendalar | but if you've bricked it, yes you need a cf reader |
| 07:17.57 | csmall | ah ha! oz is back |
| 07:18.30 | Pendalar | oz is back and it's blacker than ever |
| 07:18.37 | kergoth | it went somewhere? |
| 07:18.39 | Pendalar | once you try black you never go back |
| 07:18.42 | Pendalar | wuahaha |
| 07:18.45 | Pendalar | heyyy kergoth |
| 07:18.49 | Pendalar | got 'net at home now? |
| 07:18.50 | csmall | wtf, the images I put there are gone |
| 07:18.56 | kergoth | yeah, thank god |
| 07:19.01 | Pendalar | it helps to actually have images on the CF |
| 07:19.11 | Pendalar | kergoth: wb then |
| 07:19.18 | kergoth | thanks |
| 07:19.24 | Pendalar | =-) did you see my current failed package (for my box) list? |
| 07:19.37 | kergoth | yeah, havent ahd a chance to attempt to repro yet |
| 07:19.46 | csmall | can I format the cf from in OZ? |
| 07:19.50 | Pendalar | it won't reproduce, it's still the gay issues with my box |
| 07:19.57 | tanq | ugh... |
| 07:19.59 | W8TVI | hey kergoth |
| 07:20.11 | Pendalar | I can't install a new distro since there's no moniter for that box |
| 07:20.14 | Pendalar | easily |
| 07:20.16 | W8TVI | 3.3.6rc1 doesnt like my 802.11b card |
| 07:20.18 | W8TVI | dmesg shows a kernel opps |
| 07:20.26 | W8TVI | unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address be6e4138 |
| 07:20.30 | Pendalar | I wish there was a good way to change distro's with only ssh access to the box |
| 07:20.32 | W8TVI | kernel oops |
| 07:21.03 | tanq | Pendalar: u can.. |
| 07:21.27 | Pendalar | tanq: what chroot? |
| 07:21.43 | tanq | yeah |
| 07:22.06 | tanq | u download the iso and mount it |
| 07:22.12 | tanq | or write it to disk |
| 07:22.33 | Pendalar | assuming it's on an unpacked manner on the CD |
| 07:22.40 | Pendalar | with a /bin , etc etc |
| 07:22.48 | tanq | an iso is an iso |
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| 07:23.11 | Pendalar | well I mean the data could be in a funky format for the main wad |
| 07:23.40 | Pendalar | I doubt a straight copy would go happily, even if I magically knew what configure scripts to run |
| 07:23.49 | tanq | ok off to sleep |
| 07:24.16 | tanq | btw kergoth i've just about rewritten updater.sh with menus |
| 07:24.23 | kergoth | nice |
| 07:24.26 | kergoth | night |
| 07:24.27 | tanq | i've been scripting most of the day.. |
| 07:24.43 | ljp | coolio |
| 07:25.24 | tanq | mickey showed me the x11 updater.. |
| 07:26.21 | tanq | i'm following the same basic menu system... |
| 07:27.45 | tanq | I wrote another function to build a menu from /proc/mtd to allow the user to select it for backup, or formatting... |
| 07:29.20 | Pendalar | too.. much... 7up |
| 07:31.20 | cyn | blah 7up |
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| 07:31.33 | Pendalar | yeah well it's all I got |
| 07:31.36 | Pendalar | and I've drunk it all |
| 07:31.44 | cyn | drink water |
| 07:31.56 | cyn | I would reach for shoddy tapwater before 7up |
| 07:32.09 | Pendalar | I wanted some caff/sugar/etc |
| 07:32.10 | cyn | but 7up before sprite |
| 07:32.20 | cyn | sprite gives me headaches, so do some orange sodas |
| 07:32.29 | cyn | no idea. very odd. |
| 07:32.59 | Pendalar | no sprite at home |
| 07:33.11 | Pendalar | I generally favor mountain dew (since Surge is no more) |
| 07:33.15 | Pendalar | after that mellow yellow |
| 07:36.32 | cyn | hmm surge is no more? |
| 07:37.04 | Pendalar | can't get surge in GA that I know of |
| 07:37.11 | cyn | I won 2 talkabouts through surge back in '98/'99 |
| 07:37.24 | Pendalar | at the stores or food joints |
| 07:37.33 | Pendalar | cool |
| 07:37.43 | Pendalar | that's my all time favorite bev |
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| 11:17.08 | Suppressor | hi! |
| 11:17.27 | Suppressor | do you know the "prep-home-sd.sh-alpha3" script? |
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| 11:23.16 | CodeWarrior | morning |
| 11:23.26 | Suppressor | hi |
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| 11:56.09 | irvken | I've misplaced the url for the zaurus bbs, anyone? |
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| 12:29.19 | absentia | www.zaurus.com/dev/board |
| 12:29.23 | absentia | www.zaurususergroup.com |
| 12:29.25 | absentia | zaurus.spy.org |
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| 16:02.42 | irvken | ty absentia |
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| 16:53.24 | devnet | is tkc rom qtopia or opie? |
| 16:53.47 | chouimat | morning |
| 16:53.52 | tanq | qtopia i think |
| 16:54.07 | devnet | thnx tanq |
| 16:54.26 | devnet | Tanq - and openzaurus is opie? |
| 16:54.44 | JasonM | Yes |
| 16:55.08 | devnet | cool |
| 16:55.27 | devnet | are there any other "word" type programs, other than hancom, for openzaurus? |
| 16:56.01 | JasonM | Don't know, sorry :( |
| 16:56.11 | devnet | np |
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| 17:32.39 | Luke-Jr | anyone have experience w/ a better GBC emu than Gnuboy? |
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| 17:40.58 | Luke-Jr | or know how to use a ZAC file |
| 17:41.18 | JasonM | What's a ZAC file? |
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| 18:00.12 | pchan | Eeep! I lost my media player for sharp rom 3.1 (5500), any place i can nab the ipkg to reinstall it?dont wanna reset... |
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| 18:06.55 | George- | just recreate the link |
| 18:06.59 | George- | (no idea how to though) :P |
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| 18:12.06 | pchan | George-: I think i somehow removed it |
| 18:12.17 | pchan | The whole program--when i installed opie-mpegplayer |
| 18:13.43 | George- | doubt it |
| 18:13.58 | George- | the sharp rom has all it's apps in ROM |
| 18:14.03 | George- | unless they've changed it since I last checked |
| 18:14.42 | pchan | argh...any good free player to recommend? |
| 18:14.49 | pchan | mp3 |
| 18:16.03 | George- | xmms is nice |
| 18:19.38 | pchan | Does it work decent on sharp rom_ |
| 18:19.42 | pchan | ? |
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| 18:29.30 | Luke-Jr | pchan: no |
| 18:30.20 | pchan | Luke-Jr: Any recommendation as to what i should do _ |
| 18:31.10 | Luke-Jr | Stick musicplayer.desktop in /home/QtPalmtop/apps/Applications/ |
| 18:32.01 | pchan | Luke-Jr: Thank you. |
| 18:34.08 | pchan | Luke-Jr: I dont think it will work, i cant find the musicplayer program |
| 18:35.08 | Luke-Jr | worth trying at least ^^;; |
| 18:36.28 | pchan | hehe, true :) |
| 18:40.16 | pchan | Any way to extract the rom image from sharp.OSpack? |
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| 18:40.44 | Suppressor | hi |
| 18:41.15 | Suppressor | can anybody help me getting opie-remote on tkcrom2a3 to work? |
| 18:52.06 | JasonM-Alt | pchan: What do you wish to retreive from the OSPack? |
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| 18:54.18 | MrZaius | hey |
| 18:54.24 | MrZaius | hw question |
| 18:54.32 | MrZaius | I"ve got a zaurus that won't turn on |
| 18:54.38 | JasonM-Alt | Is it charged? |
| 18:54.43 | MrZaius | yup |
| 18:54.50 | JasonM-Alt | Have you checked the position of the "battery replace" switch? |
| 18:54.52 | MrZaius | and the charge indicator lit up last night |
| 18:54.55 | MrZaius | yup |
| 18:55.03 | MrZaius | it was up, and I tried toggling it |
| 18:55.06 | JasonM-Alt | What model? |
| 18:55.08 | MrZaius | and I tried the hard reset button |
| 18:55.10 | MrZaius | SL5500 |
| 18:55.28 | MrZaius | also tried popping the battery out and turning it on w/only the power chord |
| 18:55.30 | JasonM-Alt | Hmm |
| 18:55.32 | MrZaius | any other ideas? |
| 18:55.39 | JasonM-Alt | Only one. |
| 18:55.46 | JasonM-Alt | Remove the battery for just over 24 hours. |
| 18:55.55 | JasonM-Alt | This should allow the backup battery to discharge |
| 18:56.25 | Suppressor | isnt that just like a hard reset? |
| 18:56.53 | JasonM-Alt | I'd've thought so. |
| 18:57.10 | MrZaius | still, it's something that'll require a 24 hour wait |
| 18:57.19 | MrZaius | so that'll calm my nerves while I wait to RMA it tomorrow |
| 18:57.23 | MrZaius | if nothing else, I mean |
| 18:57.27 | MrZaius | thanks |
| 18:57.31 | JasonM-Alt | Have you recently attempted to flash the unit? |
| 18:57.51 | MrZaius | it's booted succesfully since then, but yeah |
| 18:58.00 | MrZaius | about a week and a half ago, I put on OZ3.3.4 |
| 18:58.16 | MrZaius | the 3.3.2 kernel with the 3.3.5 goodies (opie 1.02) and such backported |
| 18:58.25 | Suppressor | what happened before he stopped turning on? |
| 18:58.32 | Suppressor | did you install anything special |
| 18:58.39 | MrZaius | she took a nap on the floor of my car for about 4 days |
| 18:58.54 | MrZaius | nope. just the stock OS, JustReader, and Madplayer |
| 18:59.33 | MrZaius | temperatures didn't get below freezing, I thought, but it might have been beneath the min. storage temp |
| 19:00.09 | Suppressor | :( no idea sorry |
| 19:00.19 | MrZaius | s'alright. |
| 19:00.25 | MrZaius | I'm halfway through the RMA process already |
| 19:00.30 | MrZaius | but I thought I'd ask here, first |
| 19:00.46 | MrZaius | I'm going to die in a week and a half, so I thought it'd be nice to have it on my deathbed |
| 19:00.46 | JasonM-Alt | Sounds terminally ill to me; sorry. |
| 19:00.58 | MrZaius | (deathbed's a 767, death is www.luth.se ) |
| 19:01.11 | Suppressor | do you know how to install opie remote and lirc to tkcrom2a3? |
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| 19:01.34 | Suppressor | opie-remote keeps saying "couldnt connect to socket" |
| 19:01.44 | MrZaius | what's lirc do? |
| 19:01.59 | MrZaius | did it install at all? |
| 19:02.09 | Suppressor | well i hope so |
| 19:02.43 | MrZaius | look in /opt/Qtopia/bin and see if it's there |
| 19:02.51 | Suppressor | k mom |
| 19:03.16 | MrZaius | and when you're done with that, go clean my room |
| 19:03.50 | Suppressor | hm? |
| 19:03.55 | Suppressor | oh ^^ |
| 19:04.13 | Suppressor | oh wait another question first |
| 19:04.57 | MrZaius | okay, but you're not getting any dinner from me until my room is clean |
| 19:05.09 | Suppressor | there is a script called "prep-home-sd.sh" but i dont know how to start is it keeps saying #12: expecting "in" (its a script for sl5000 but i think it should work on sl5500 too) |
| 19:05.56 | Suppressor | http://community.zaurus.com/project/showfiles.php?group_id=47&release_id=275 |
| 19:06.34 | MrZaius | does tkcrom use bash, busybox ash, or some other shell? |
| 19:06.52 | MrZaius | sounds like it was written for something other than the one you're using |
| 19:07.15 | Suppressor | for "a Sharprom 3.1 based rom" |
| 19:08.01 | Suppressor | well and the script is for tkcrom 2a3 ^^ |
| 19:09.13 | MrZaius | and it just gives you an error message that says it was looking for the word "in"? |
| 19:09.21 | Suppressor | yeah |
| 19:09.24 | Suppressor | wait |
| 19:11.31 | Suppressor | # sh /mnt/cf/prep-home-sd.sh |
| 19:11.38 | Suppressor | : not found |
| 19:12.18 | Suppressor | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.24 | Suppressor | # |
| 19:12.28 | Suppressor | thats it |
| 19:12.55 | absentia | show me the code |
| 19:13.09 | MrZaius | here: |
| 19:13.10 | absentia | lines 9 through 15 |
| 19:13.10 | MrZaius | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.10 | MrZaius | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.10 | MrZaius | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.10 | MrZaius | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.10 | MrZaius | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.12 | MrZaius | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.14 | MrZaius | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.19 | Suppressor | http://community.zaurus.com/download.php/477/prep-home-sd.sh-alpha3 |
| 19:13.20 | Suppressor | yeah |
| 19:13.25 | MrZaius | there's 12 through 18 |
| 19:13.41 | absentia | put "" around $1 |
| 19:13.49 | Suppressor | wait |
| 19:14.02 | absentia | $1 contains something that has a space in it |
| 19:14.22 | JasonM-Alt | Or contains nothing at all... |
| 19:14.29 | absentia | true |
| 19:14.37 | absentia | in which case it will still fail |
| 19:14.39 | absentia | you could use |
| 19:14.44 | absentia | case "x$1" in |
| 19:14.53 | absentia | "x-c" ) blah ;; |
| 19:14.53 | absentia | end |
| 19:15.20 | absentia | or you could do what I do, test $1 befor the case, to make sure it's not blank.. |
| 19:15.26 | absentia | .and just use ""s around $1 |
| 19:15.42 | Suppressor | but there is a while ["$1" != ""] |
| 19:15.52 | MrZaius | http://community.zaurus.com/download.php/477/prep-home-sd.sh-alpha3 |
| 19:15.53 | MrZaius | there's a direct link to the script, btw |
| 19:15.55 | absentia | right |
| 19:16.00 | absentia | but in this case, it has a space |
| 19:16.08 | absentia | ther are two cases that will cause it to fail. |
| 19:16.26 | Suppressor | great! |
| 19:16.28 | Suppressor | it works |
| 19:16.28 | absentia | people need to write code that can fail at every statement |
| 19:16.42 | absentia | instead, most people write code that *can't* fail at *any* statement. |
| 19:16.53 | Suppressor | now i just don't know the settings i should use ^^ |
| 19:17.01 | absentia | can't help you there |
| 19:17.16 | Suppressor | what would you use if you had a 64md sd card? |
| 19:17.37 | Suppressor | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.37 | Suppressor | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.37 | Suppressor | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.37 | Suppressor | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.37 | Suppressor | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.38 | Suppressor | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.52 | absentia | a backup... |
| 19:17.56 | MrZaius | I'd never use a swapfile |
| 19:18.07 | absentia | with errors like that first one, I'd figure this code would destroy my system/files |
| 19:18.21 | absentia | Iwill on a 700 just to test |
| 19:18.25 | absentia | but I dont at all onthe 760 |
| 19:18.25 | Suppressor | doesnt matter |
| 19:18.36 | absentia | ah, if it doesn't matter... then go for it. |
| 19:18.37 | MrZaius | well, I'd never use a swapfile on flash |
| 19:18.46 | Suppressor | hm |
| 19:18.48 | MrZaius | might if I had a cf hdd |
| 19:18.49 | Suppressor | yeah me too |
| 19:18.59 | Suppressor | but a swapfile on the sd card? |
| 19:19.07 | MrZaius | but there'd be no sense wearing the card out, as I've never seen out of memory error |
| 19:19.17 | absentia | I have. |
| 19:19.24 | MrZaius | I wouldn't put one on any flash media, unless I was desperate |
| 19:19.38 | MrZaius | but, the way I use it, I haven't ever had any reason to, yet |
| 19:20.07 | MrZaius | and, on mine, the SD is about 3 or 5 times slower than the CF cards |
| 19:20.12 | Suppressor | well the problem is i need space to install my programs. |
| 19:20.14 | MrZaius | CFs are cheaper, too, so I'd use that if I had to |
| 19:20.51 | jdh41|too | MrZaius: but CF slots are useful for other stuff though |
| 19:21.09 | MrZaius | I don't know what package system the Kompany uses, but with OZ you can install packages to CF or SD |
| 19:21.36 | Suppressor | yeah |
| 19:21.46 | MrZaius | opie's ipkg frontend has a little drag down menu that asks where to install a package, and ipkg has an option to do it, too |
| 19:22.04 | Suppressor | well but it's easyer to implement the sd card i think |
| 19:22.19 | Suppressor | i can leave the -s parameter empty i think |
| 19:22.28 | MrZaius | jdh41: the only cf card I use that isn't memory is a network card |
| 19:22.44 | Suppressor | but what does -t mean (my english is not the best) |
| 19:22.47 | MrZaius | I can read and write over the network faster than the SD interface |
| 19:22.52 | MrZaius | swap via nfs might work |
| 19:23.09 | MrZaius | don't worry about it unless you notice /tmp taking up a lot of space on your zaurus |
| 19:23.12 | MrZaius | it never has on mine |
| 19:23.41 | MrZaius | I don't know if opera or some other networking stuff uses it, though |
| 19:23.46 | Suppressor | so i should start it with "...sd.sh -c" ? |
| 19:24.21 | Suppressor | or just with -i? |
| 19:24.22 | MrZaius | if the card's blank, I'd do "sd.sh -c -i" |
| 19:24.31 | Suppressor | ok |
| 19:24.34 | Suppressor | i'll try |
| 19:24.35 | MrZaius | assuming they'll work at the same time |
| 19:24.43 | Suppressor | ? |
| 19:24.50 | MrZaius | give it a shot |
| 19:25.30 | Suppressor | "give it a shot"... i repeat: my english is not that good |
| 19:25.34 | MrZaius | sorry |
| 19:25.37 | MrZaius | that just means try it |
| 19:25.41 | Suppressor | ok |
| 19:26.55 | MrZaius | -i might imply -c, if that doesn't work. there's a couple of references to /home in the code that it executes when -i is set |
| 19:27.24 | Suppressor | well |
| 19:27.30 | Suppressor | the script completed |
| 19:27.52 | MrZaius | what's "ls /usr/mnt.rom" show? |
| 19:28.15 | Suppressor | how much internal flash does the sl5500 have normally (just for the storage) |
| 19:28.51 | MrZaius | "df -h" gives you the total and free storage space on every mounted drive |
| 19:29.21 | MrZaius | but it's 32mb flash and 64mb of ram |
| 19:29.43 | Suppressor | then the script didn't work that good |
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| 19:29.49 | MrZaius | I use a 16mb ramdisk, which cuts the accessible memory down to 48mb. tkcrom might offer something like it |
| 19:30.00 | MrZaius | the script doesn't do much |
| 19:30.04 | Suppressor | the sd card disappeard |
| 19:30.13 | Suppressor | but the internal flash is still the same |
| 19:30.21 | Suppressor | size |
| 19:30.22 | MrZaius | it just reformats the SD card, moves /home to it, and copies some configuration files |
| 19:30.40 | MrZaius | yeah. it wouldn't free up much space, assuming that most space is taken up by installed applications |
| 19:31.07 | MrZaius | do you have opera installed? I can tell you a quick and dirty way to clean up 2 or 4mb |
| 19:31.29 | Suppressor | hm no |
| 19:32.41 | Suppressor | do you know any other IR applications than opie-remote |
| 19:32.58 | MrZaius | if you're desperate for space, you can go into your /opt/Qtopia/bin directory and move the 3 or 4 biggest files to your SD card, and then create symbolic links to them where the files used to be |
| 19:33.06 | MrZaius | later |
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| 19:50.36 | lekter | WORKED OK!!!!! I have my first package built with the zaurus using "emerge"!!!!! |
| 19:51.09 | absentia | congrats! |
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| 19:58.37 | irvken | I can ping back and forthe between my linux box and my Zaurus, but I'm a bit unsure where I go to from here |
| 19:59.09 | irvken | should I be able to get onto the net via the usb cradle? |
| 20:02.42 | absentia | yes, but ping across ppp is not the same as routing |
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| 21:12.58 | Bryan_W | why does xmms-embedded need so much memory? |
| 21:17.17 | fliplap | it doesn't really |
| 21:17.29 | fliplap | iirc thats a bug cause by something or another, good for it |
| 21:17.34 | fliplap | er |
| 21:17.36 | fliplap | google for it |
| 21:18.01 | Suppressor | hi do you know where to get this app: http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=919 |
| 21:18.06 | Suppressor | you cant buy it anymore |
| 21:21.11 | fliplap | use opie remote |
| 21:21.18 | Suppressor | it doesnt work |
| 21:21.29 | Suppressor | i try to run it on tkcrom2a |
| 21:21.30 | Suppressor | 3 |
| 21:21.45 | Suppressor | but it keeps saying "couldnt connect to socket" |
| 21:21.50 | fliplap | plus, the Z's IR transmitter is only good for a couple of feet |
| 21:22.06 | Suppressor | i have an ir booster that doesnt matter |
| 21:23.09 | fliplap | if you want to use opieremote you're gonna have to setup lirc |
| 21:23.47 | Suppressor | where can i find a lirc ipk that really works on tkcrom |
| 21:24.09 | fliplap | i've never used the tkc rom |
| 21:24.19 | Suppressor | OZ doesnt work |
| 21:24.36 | Suppressor | i flashed to OZ 3.3.5 but i cant get it to boot my CF or SD card |
| 21:24.44 | Suppressor | boot=mount ^^ |
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| 21:25.09 | JasonM-Alt | Mine works good. |
| 21:25.30 | JasonM-Alt | I've got OZ to use an MMC card as / |
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| 21:51.26 | Bryan_W | ok I googled and didn't see anything useful |
| 21:52.10 | Bryan_W | xmms is trying to allocate like 529MB of memory |
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| 21:59.54 | absentia | ha |
| 22:04.07 | csmall | absentia, hi |
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| 22:17.07 | mspencer | anybody tried Cacko's X11 rom for c7x0 lately? (I didn't see any updates on sash's page, so I guess I've tested the latest available version...) |
| 22:17.32 | Foxdie | heya George- |
| 22:17.42 | Foxdie | mspencer: I have the latest version on my C760 |
| 22:18.02 | mspencer | Cool. I keep having this problem...I don't know if it's just mine, but you would know if it's happening to you... |
| 22:18.06 | Foxdie | go for it |
| 22:18.09 | Foxdie | actually |
| 22:18.10 | Foxdie | not here |
| 22:18.17 | Foxdie | come to #cacko as it's the roms official channel |
| 22:18.19 | mspencer | Whenever CPU usage gets high, the touchpad seems to get all jittery. |
| 22:18.22 | mspencer | ah, gotcha. :) |
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| 22:22.21 | Bryan_W | so |
| 22:22.59 | George- | Foxdie: what do you want? |
| 22:23.42 | Foxdie | just saying hi |
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| 22:27.19 | George- | Foxdie: hi. |
| 22:29.26 | George- | wtf, sourceforge's CVS is fucked |
| 22:29.41 | George- | ah, it's back |
| 22:30.24 | Suppressor | do you know any other IR remote tool except opie-remote and if possible not lirc based? |
| 22:32.29 | mickeyl | there isn't one. would be nice to have one though :) |
| 22:34.24 | Suppressor | its impossible for me to install opie remote |
| 22:34.46 | Suppressor | i've tried so many things and it always keeps saying "couldnt connect to socket" argh |
| 22:34.47 | mickeyl | yeah, that stuff hasn't been looked at for quite a while. seems no one is interested |
| 22:34.57 | mickeyl | if you're interested, why not trying to debug it? |
| 22:35.21 | Suppressor | 'cause im a noob |
| 22:36.06 | mickeyl | best chance to learn is when you're interested in something :D |
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| 22:53.16 | csmall | If I put the sharp Ospack image on a cf and flash by holding c+d...will that restore the sharp rom? |
| 22:53.27 | kergoth | yes |
| 22:53.35 | csmall | I try to use their software through windows but it says it can't connect |
| 22:53.39 | csmall | kergoth, thanks :) |
| 22:53.41 | kergoth | np |
| 22:55.01 | csmall | kergoth, dp you have any idea what this is running? to look like it does? http://qpe-gaim.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php?file=gaimicon.png |
| 22:56.58 | kergoth | csmall: uh |
| 22:57.05 | kergoth | do you not see the word "Opie" in the corner? |
| 22:57.13 | kergoth | its running .. opie. the gui used by default in OZ |
| 22:57.41 | csmall | I do, but I'm just a little unclear on all the different ...desktop environments I guess you would call them.. |
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| 23:41.11 | irvken | http://docs.zaurus.com/index.php?id=lc_generic secion 3.3 |
| 23:41.27 | irvken | when I enter this command - iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT -o ethX --to MY_IP I get the error message - iptables v1.2.9: Bad IP address `MY_IP' |
| 23:41.46 | JasonM-Alt | Heh |
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| 23:41.59 | JasonM-Alt | Replace 'MY_IP' with your own IP |
| 23:42.10 | JasonM-Alt | Replace ethX with the interface you are using ... like eth0 |
| 23:42.10 | irvken | which one. eth0 or usb0 |
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| 23:42.28 | JasonM-Alt | I've no idea what you're trying to do... |
| 23:42.31 | W8TVI | Replace ethX with the interface you are usin |
| 23:42.37 | irvken | ah yes, I've got it |
| 23:42.40 | JasonM-Alt | I would imagine eth0 |
| 23:57.54 | irvken | is there abetter howto than this - http://docs.zaurus.com/index.php?id=lc_generic |
| 23:58.17 | irvken | cos I must have been over it 50 times, I've even reinstalled debian half a dozen times |
