| 00:09.01 | absentia | thre's like NO imformation on this |
| 00:10.13 | treke|home | absentia: it probably varies too much to come to a conclusion |
| 00:10.26 | absentia | looks like this TY or taiyo or somethng.. jp is the best |
| 00:12.43 | absentia | looks like tdk |
| 00:13.20 | absentia | maxel xl-s, but not maxel s |
| 00:13.56 | absentia | CMC are pure SHITE. |
| 00:13.56 | absentia | Verbatim in slim cases are also CMC. AVOID !!!! |
| 00:13.56 | absentia | Philips are now CMC. AVOID !!!! |
| 00:14.05 | absentia | http://www.dvdrbase.com/archive/index.php/t-24185 |
| 00:14.05 | absentia | hehe |
| 00:14.46 | absentia | generally I have found that with the TDK and a few other brands that are made by Taiyo Yuden... on the box or the label of the CDs it will say if it is manufactured in Japan. <---- all so far that I have run through CDRIdentifier v1.63 have come out with Taiyo Yuden manufacturing. |
| 00:14.46 | absentia | Hopefully it's a good tip for when you're buying CD-Rs (look if made in Japan) |
| 00:14.57 | treke|home | I've got a spool of imation and a spool of tdk sitting around here |
| 00:15.24 | absentia | Manufacturer: CMC Magnetics Corporation |
| 00:15.26 | absentia | ya |
| 00:15.27 | absentia | me too |
| 00:15.36 | absentia | my memorex appear to be cmc |
| 00:15.44 | absentia | I just burned 34 cds. |
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| 00:16.09 | treke|home | though very few cds I burned need to last more than a day or so |
| 00:16.26 | absentia | I'm seeing 40% data loss on my cdrs from '99 |
| 00:16.47 | absentia | I've lost nearly 1/2 of all my mp3s |
| 00:16.57 | absentia | (and someone stole my master cds) |
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| 00:17.03 | absentia | re g |
| 00:17.09 | offroadgeek | ello |
| 00:19.12 | Foxdie | wb :) |
| 00:19.23 | absentia | love the last two posts on that page |
| 00:19.34 | absentia | http://www.dvdrbase.com/archive/index.php/t-24185 |
| 00:21.04 | absentia | 100 tayo yuden cdrs... $105.00 .. on sale, $38.00 |
| 00:21.04 | absentia | heheh |
| 00:22.58 | absentia | gonna order 200 from yahoo |
| 00:23.12 | matr1x | heh |
| 00:23.24 | matr1x | i got some cheap dvd-r's today |
| 00:23.29 | matr1x | good ol boxing day week |
| 00:24.29 | George- | hrmm |
| 00:24.40 | George- | I get 25 4x dvdrs for 17 quid |
| 00:24.56 | matr1x | nice |
| 00:24.57 | absentia | I like quid on pasta. |
| 00:25.09 | matr1x | i got ten for 15 bucks canadian |
| 00:30.53 | absentia | hmmm |
| 00:30.58 | absentia | I think I'll wipe this machine and install freebsd 5.2 |
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| 00:44.48 | nickprice | hi |
| 00:44.56 | absentia | hello |
| 00:45.50 | nickprice | I am in Canada (120V) and I have the Japanese power adapter (100V) for my Zaurus SL-C860. Is it ok to use this adapter or will it mess my zaurus up? |
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| 00:46.20 | absentia | don't know |
| 00:46.31 | absentia | you probably want 5v 1a as the power.... |
| 00:47.10 | nickprice | absentia - it's the power adapter that came with the zaurus |
| 00:47.21 | nickprice | absentia - it requires an input of 100V, but I have 120V |
| 00:47.26 | nickprice | absentia - is that ok? |
| 00:47.41 | absentia | dont' know. |
| 00:47.48 | absentia | I'm not an electrical engineer |
| 00:47.54 | absentia | most of mine usually say 110-120 |
| 00:48.26 | absentia | the one on my 760 says 100v etc. |
| 00:48.28 | absentia | who knows |
| 00:48.33 | absentia | I thought things here were 120 too |
| 00:49.29 | W8TVI | nickprice, yes it is ok |
| 00:49.52 | W8TVI | the power adapter is built to run on a range of voltages |
| 00:50.17 | W8TVI | that power supply will take anywere from about 90v to 130v |
| 00:50.40 | W8TVI | and 48hz to about 63hz |
| 00:50.56 | absentia | ya |
| 00:50.59 | absentia | I thought so, but wasn't sure |
| 00:51.41 | George- | I have a 240V input to my psu |
| 00:51.54 | W8TVI | the power supply for my laptop says on it 100v to 240v, 50hz tp 60hz |
| 00:52.25 | W8TVI | if I want to use it in europe, all I got to do is get the right end to plug into the wall |
| 00:54.08 | nickprice | W8TVI - thanks |
| 00:54.17 | W8TVI | no prob |
| 00:54.42 | W8TVI | just make sure you only use yours in north america and japan :) |
| 00:54.58 | nickprice | W8TVI - why is that? |
| 00:57.24 | W8TVI | you'll fry it if you try to use in on 220 |
| 00:57.53 | W8TVI | if you want to travel with it, get the powersupply for a 5x00 zaurus. |
| 00:58.01 | nickprice | hehe ok |
| 00:58.09 | nickprice | how long does it take to charge? |
| 00:58.12 | W8TVI | the c7x0 uses the same power connecter, right guys? |
| 00:58.47 | W8TVI | depends on what charge it had when you got it |
| 00:59.03 | W8TVI | what one so you have? |
| 00:59.16 | nickprice | sl-c860 |
| 00:59.17 | W8TVI | oh never mind |
| 00:59.19 | W8TVI | lol |
| 00:59.30 | W8TVI | it should take about 3 or so hours |
| 00:59.34 | nickprice | ok |
| 00:59.49 | W8TVI | I"m going on the charge time of my 5500 that takes 45 mins or so |
| 01:00.06 | W8TVI | was it already converted when you got it? |
| 01:00.29 | nickprice | W8TVI - no I just got a CF card for christmas so I'm going to put x11 on it |
| 01:00.46 | absentia | ya, my 5600 says 100v to 240v |
| 01:00.48 | absentia | 50-60hz |
| 01:00.58 | W8TVI | k |
| 01:00.59 | absentia | 5600 will probably run a 700/760 |
| 01:01.04 | absentia | but the 700/760 will not drive the 5600 |
| 01:01.06 | absentia | ok, upgrading... |
| 01:01.07 | absentia | bbl |
| 01:01.08 | absentia | hopefully |
| 01:01.09 | nickprice | does the zaurus automatically stop charging? |
| 01:01.14 | W8TVI | yep |
| 01:01.26 | W8TVI | the charge light will go out |
| 01:01.52 | nickprice | cool |
| 01:01.58 | nickprice | what programs are recommended for it? |
| 01:02.22 | W8TVI | ask some one else |
| 01:02.24 | W8TVI | lol |
| 01:02.55 | nickprice | ok thanks |
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| 02:16.48 | nickprice | does the x11 rom have issues with rotation to portrait mode? |
| 02:19.36 | offroadgeek | yes... |
| 02:19.54 | offroadgeek | it's not too easy, and it doesn't perfectly yet |
| 02:20.57 | nickprice | offroadgeek - so what is the best rom then? |
| 02:21.33 | offroadgeek | that really depends on your needs! |
| 02:22.00 | offroadgeek | I'm using the x11 rom on my 760 right now... and it's great for the most part |
| 02:22.11 | offroadgeek | it's still a work in progress... |
| 02:22.45 | offroadgeek | I do kinda miss the simplicity of the other roms, being able to switch to portrait seamlessly... the apps that I'm used to |
| 02:22.46 | nickprice | i need to have a rom that is english and allows me to access the internet in online mode |
| 02:23.00 | offroadgeek | which z? |
| 02:23.14 | nickprice | 860 |
| 02:23.37 | offroadgeek | have you tried the tkc rom? |
| 02:24.34 | nickprice | no |
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| 02:25.10 | offroadgeek | I would suggest that or the cacko 1.18 rom... they are both pretty and you'll have full functionality available to you |
| 02:25.18 | nickprice | cool |
| 02:25.41 | nickprice | I got a 128mb sandisk cf card, and now people are saying I should have gotten a 128mb cf card |
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| 02:25.56 | nickprice | a 256cf card i mean |
| 02:26.37 | nickprice | does the 860 need a 256? |
| 02:26.56 | offroadgeek | you'll be fine with the 128mb card... for the most part |
| 02:27.12 | offroadgeek | the only think you can't do with a 128mb card is the nand backup/restore |
| 02:27.21 | offroadgeek | which you rarely/if ever need to do |
| 02:27.22 | nickprice | why is that? |
| 02:27.41 | offroadgeek | because the 760/860 nand backup is about 130mb |
| 02:27.49 | offroadgeek | just over the 128mb card |
| 02:28.04 | nickprice | damn |
| 02:28.08 | nickprice | is this a good deal http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&dept=0&WLBS=fsweb5&sku_id=0665000FS10013481&catid=&newdeptid=2 |
| 02:28.10 | nickprice | ? |
| 02:28.23 | nickprice | $59.99CDN |
| 02:28.54 | nickprice | for a 256mb cf card |
| 02:28.59 | offroadgeek | translate that into US$ |
| 02:29.08 | nickprice | around $40USD |
| 02:29.53 | offroadgeek | sounds like a good deal to me |
| 02:30.01 | nickprice | cool |
| 02:30.11 | offroadgeek | you should post a note in the forums and see if other canadians feel the same |
| 02:30.25 | nickprice | is sandisk good? |
| 02:30.50 | offroadgeek | many people don't think so... because of a bad batch from asia... but they stopped shipping them |
| 02:31.11 | nickprice | could that be a bad batch? |
| 02:31.32 | offroadgeek | I personally have a ton of sandisk card... all have been great (256mb CF, 1gb CF, 128mb SD, 256mb SD, 512mb SD) |
| 02:31.45 | nickprice | cool |
| 02:32.37 | offroadgeek | how new are you to the community? |
| 02:32.38 | mjbjr | i second the sandisk recommendation |
| 02:33.02 | offroadgeek | mjbjr, :) finally another person who likes sandisk |
| 02:33.50 | mjbjr | never had a problem with them, though they're a bit more $ |
| 02:33.58 | nickprice | offroadgeek - fairly new |
| 02:34.10 | nickprice | mjbjr - lexar is more money |
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| 02:35.55 | nickprice | offroadgeek - do you use the japanese adapter to charge your zaurus 760? |
| 02:36.28 | earHurts | how can I get xmms running on a 5600 with the Sharp rom? |
| 02:37.18 | earHurts | the default media player leaves much to be desired |
| 02:40.44 | mjbjr | I forget... how do you save a pic while in opera? |
| 02:41.09 | offroadgeek | nickprice, yes... it works fine in the us |
| 02:41.38 | nickprice | cool |
| 02:41.43 | offroadgeek | ChipX86, do you know anything about the qws_server ? |
| 02:42.00 | ChipX86 | nope |
| 02:42.07 | offroadgeek | hmm |
| 02:44.41 | mjbjr | why does 'opera' always run out of memory? mem leak? can I force it to use one of the slotted chips for more memory? |
| 02:46.57 | earHurts | mjbjr: to save an image in opera, hold the stylus on the picture until the menu pops up |
| 02:47.16 | mjbjr | thanks! |
| 02:48.03 | earHurts | there are apps to allow you to allocate storage memory to program memory and vice versa |
| 02:48.40 | mjbjr | will have to check it |
| 03:01.41 | mjbjr | wow, opera just crashed my 5600... it's rebooting |
| 03:05.20 | weez | actually, i think only qtopia might be restarting.. |
| 03:06.00 | weez | sometimes that happens, but my ssh sessions stay connected |
| 03:06.10 | weez | and live while the reboot is happening.. |
| 03:07.46 | mjbjr | you're right it wasn't a complete reboot |
| 03:09.33 | weez | you can make a swap file to prevent that from happening to some extent.. |
| 03:11.10 | weez | but that has interesting problems too. I have a c700 and started keeping a swapfile on the SD card cuz I was sick of 32 MB ram limit |
| 03:11.54 | mjbjr | where/how do you create the swap file? |
| 03:12.10 | weez | but after about 5MB is cached on the SD card, then something that Qtopia needs is written there that it needs after a powerup |
| 03:12.42 | weez | which unfortunately at that time, the SD card is not yet mounted, so qtopia restarts... |
| 03:13.55 | weez | well, you need to be aware of the potential of wearing out your flash memory - altho I have seen an article that handwaved out a proof that it would not be too bad |
| 03:14.43 | mjbjr | hmmm... I hadn't thought of that |
| 03:14.53 | weez | go get the memory monitor applet http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=1235 |
| 03:15.01 | mjbjr | ahh |
| 03:15.23 | weez | But i have a 256MB Sd card that only cost me 30 bux, so i am not too worried |
| 03:15.41 | mjbjr | yeah |
| 03:16.32 | cyn_ | whoa good deal |
| 03:16.43 | cyn_ | weez: is that a 'custom' deal or is there a way for someone such as myself to get in on it |
| 03:18.29 | weez | actually it was a day after christmas rebate at frys |
| 03:19.03 | weez | I also picked up a 256MB CF on a day after thanksgiving rebate at frys for 30 bux |
| 03:19.34 | weez | thats 30 after rebate for both of those... |
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| 04:23.04 | chouimat | nite |
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| 04:23.36 | nickprice | hi |
| 04:23.47 | nickprice | where might I find the tkc rom for a zaurus 860? |
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| 04:26.44 | nickprice | where might I find the tkc rom for a zaurus 860? |
| 04:26.57 | treke|home | you just asked that |
| 04:27.09 | nickprice | sorry |
| 04:27.14 | nickprice | hit the wrong btn |
| 04:27.51 | treke|home | I would start by using google |
| 04:28.07 | nickprice | ok thnx |
| 04:29.19 | nickprice | where can I find instructions on installing it? |
| 04:29.39 | treke|home | probably the same place you find it |
| 04:30.03 | nickprice | http://community.zaurus.com/project/showfiles.php?group_id=47&release_id=291 |
| 04:30.13 | nickprice | doesnt have any instructions |
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| 04:30.59 | treke|home | put the files on a cf or sd card |
| 04:31.15 | treke|home | put the card in the device |
| 04:31.24 | treke|home | unplug it and pull the battery |
| 04:31.32 | treke|home | plug it into the wall and put the battery in. |
| 04:31.40 | treke|home | hold down the OK button on the side and the power button |
| 04:31.54 | treke|home | when the menu comes up choose option 4 and then choose the type of card you put it on |
| 04:32.07 | nickprice | so it's the same as the x11 rom? |
| 04:32.12 | treke|home | yes |
| 04:32.19 | nickprice | ok cool thanks |
| 05:23.24 | weez | does anyone happen to know why when I launch a QT app from an ssh shell it displays differently than if its launched from an icon? |
| 05:24.01 | weez | and if so, how I could reproduce the mode when its launched from ssh...? |
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| 05:36.05 | treke|home | weez: How does it display differently. |
| 05:40.58 | weez | its qswap on a c700. when run from ssh all the fonts are smaller, so altho the gui only takes up 1/4 of the screen, its usable |
| 05:42.01 | weez | when run from the icon (no matter how much I play with the display= in the desktop file) if it runs at 640x480, it uses huge fonts and part of the gui is cut off (it still takes up 1/4 of the screen only) |
| 05:42.48 | weez | trolltech's documentation online sucks.. |
| 05:43.16 | weez | i was hoping to find some useful documentation about the desktop file.. |
| 05:43.44 | treke|home | regarding what? |
| 05:44.10 | weez | possibly thinking I could set the fontsize or something |
| 05:44.11 | treke|home | weez: that's probably caused by the qtopia display variable not sending the right parameters |
| 05:45.13 | weez | treke|home: shouldnt the desktop file override the defaults that would otherwise be sent? |
| 05:45.17 | treke|home | you could try opening a terminal inside for qtopia and unsetting QWS_DISPLAY and seeing if it reproduces it |
| 05:45.23 | treke|home | weez: default what? |
| 05:45.57 | weez | treke|home: whatever display information is set/sent when qtopia launches the app |
| 05:46.05 | treke|home | no |
| 05:46.30 | treke|home | it defines some values. the launcher reads those values and does what it wants with them. |
| 05:46.59 | treke|home | among other thigns it has the app name, mime types used, icons, and on the c760 a list modes that the app supports |
| 05:47.40 | weez | ahh |
| 05:48.11 | weez | interesting.. unsetting QWS_DISPLAY results in a driver cannot connect error message |
| 05:48.31 | weez | are you versed as to what that means? |
| 05:48.52 | treke|home | yes, it means qtopia as implemented by sharp needs the qws_display set |
| 05:49.14 | weez | its especially wierd since the ssh shell doesnt have QWS_DISPLAY set |
| 05:51.17 | weez | ahh |
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| 08:34.13 | treke|home | no |
| 08:34.17 | fgddfg | on a 5600? |
| 08:34.33 | treke|home | no |
| 08:34.35 | fgddfg | it supports mmc i think |
| 08:34.39 | fgddfg | damnit |
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| 12:52.37 | George- | Foxdie: SOD OFF AND DIE |
| 12:53.03 | George- | bleh |
| 12:53.16 | George- | I'm NOT A COMMUNIST! |
| 12:53.21 | George- | YOU COMMY! |
| 12:53.41 | Foxdie | That was bad taste. |
| 12:54.04 | George- | "emerge (13 of 316)" |
| 12:54.10 | George- | bleh |
| 12:54.15 | George- | It's going to be compiling all night |
| 12:56.54 | Foxdie | http://www.zodoenzehetdaar.nl/templates/filmpje1.php funny as hell |
| 12:57.38 | George- | flash... |
| 12:59.36 | Foxdie | so? |
| 13:00.46 | George- | evil... |
| 13:01.32 | Foxdie | stubborn kid |
| 13:01.38 | George- | ... |
| 13:01.44 | George- | Flash doesn't exist on PowerPC linux |
| 13:01.44 | George- | it sucks |
| 13:01.53 | Foxdie | :/ |
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| 13:34.20 | Foxdie | holograms are cool |
| 13:37.59 | George- | I hate Apple |
| 13:38.03 | George- | I hate Apple. |
| 13:38.06 | George- | Apple is gay |
| 13:38.08 | George- | Apple sucks. |
| 13:38.10 | George- | I hate Apple. |
| 13:38.46 | George- | "Hello, sir? Yes, the repair centre are going to replace your iPod.. But they haven't got any in stock.." |
| 13:38.50 | George- | "Any idea when they will?" |
| 13:38.52 | George- | "No" |
| 13:38.57 | George- | blah |
| 13:38.59 | George- | I hate Apple. |
| 13:41.28 | cyn_ | George-: "Tell you what, I'll buy one from a local CompUSA/Apple Store - and you guys reimburse me." |
| 13:45.42 | George- | cyn_: I'm in the UK |
| 13:45.50 | George- | cyn_: and there's a lack of iPods here |
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| 14:19.19 | absentia | morn' |
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| 14:21.02 | absentia | strange |
| 14:21.11 | absentia | one of my aliaes isn't working anymore |
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| 14:22.01 | absentia | ah |
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| 14:57.33 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:06.05 | absentia | http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/12/29/iran.quake/index.html |
| 15:06.19 | absentia | should that header be "Papers critisize the Iranian government" ... |
| 15:06.32 | absentia | down the middle of the article.. by the picture of khameni? |
| 15:06.53 | absentia | this is like the second time I've seen CNN put iraq/iran in the wrong place.... |
| 15:07.06 | absentia | the other one was on the front page |
| 15:07.13 | absentia | and was corrected within 2 minutes of me spotting it. |
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| 15:25.25 | George- | grah |
| 15:25.32 | George- | installing gentoo on a 430MHz Celeron is not fun |
| 15:25.53 | MG_Tak | Installing gentoo is not fun |
| 15:27.00 | George- | installing it on a 430MHz Celeron is a nightmare |
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| 15:28.41 | George- | MG_Tak: I compiled the whole lot on an Athlon 2400+ though :) |
| 15:28.49 | George- | MG_Tak: just setting up networking to copy it all across |
| 15:28.51 | JasonM | Hi all. |
| 15:28.59 | George- | hi JasonM |
| 15:29.37 | JasonM | Has anyone here ever encountered problems using MMC cards with their Zaurus? |
| 15:29.50 | George- | no |
| 15:30.00 | MG_Tak | George-: being smart isn't cheating :) |
| 15:30.05 | MG_Tak | nope |
| 15:30.25 | George- | MG_Tak: hehehe |
| 15:30.53 | JasonM | Any idea how to work out why my Zaurus has suddenly taken a disliking to a specific MMC card? |
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| 15:32.27 | MG_Tak | You could've damaged the card. |
| 15:32.47 | JasonM | I thought that initially, but WinXP + Card Reader seems to be able to read/write to it OK. |
| 15:32.59 | absentia | ya |
| 15:33.10 | absentia | well, installing freebsd 5.2rc2 on my gateway 500mhz celeron is far less fun |
| 15:33.24 | absentia | Xfree86 sees the correct hardware, etc... but locks the machine sohard I have to pull the power |
| 15:33.31 | absentia | mind you, 5.0, 5.1 worked like a charm |
| 15:33.34 | absentia | but 52 kills it |
| 15:33.37 | JasonM | The Zaurus, however, hangs for about 30~45 seconds, and then mounts the card read only when the card is inserted. |
| 15:34.01 | absentia | I've not had good luck with mmc cards. |
| 15:34.52 | JasonM | Nor me. My camera fried my last MMC card (and itself in the process) |
| 15:35.11 | JasonM | I've got a tiny 16Mb card that came with my phone that works alright |
| 15:35.36 | George- | kde on a machine with 64mb ram is hell |
| 15:35.39 | George- | HELL I SAY! |
| 15:36.12 | JasonM | But this 256Mb one I bought yesterday with the aim of running OZ on it - worked great yesterday. Today half my mail went missing, the Zaurus locked up and the card was unreadable. |
| 15:36.47 | JasonM | I reformatted it on my laptop and replaced the contents with a backup I took yesterday, but the Zaurus refuses to mount it rw |
| 15:37.05 | Foxdie | odd |
| 15:37.50 | George- | hrmm |
| 15:37.58 | George- | bzip2 compressing 2GB of stuff is not nice |
| 15:39.32 | JasonM | Hmm |
| 15:39.38 | JasonM | Maybe the partition table is corrupt... |
| 15:49.25 | absentia | bzip is not worth it except when you must compress better than gz |
| 15:49.27 | absentia | bzip kills cpu |
| 15:49.36 | absentia | gzip -6 is not bad. |
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| 16:07.26 | weez | absentia: did you see my comment last night about the cool problem I am having with swapfiles on my c700? |
| 16:14.15 | JasonM | Ok - weirdness fixed... |
| 16:17.30 | JasonM | I rewrote the partition table on the Zaurus and it seems much happier. |
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| 16:25.05 | absentia | weez; no, what is it ? |
| 16:27.44 | George- | blah |
| 16:30.38 | JasonM | There's nice. A couple of restores later (CF restore -> Zaurus; tgz -> MMC card) and my Zaurus is back in the state it was yesterday - working well :) |
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| 16:34.04 | JasonM | Thanks for you help everybody :) |
| 16:34.07 | JasonM | *your |
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| 17:02.32 | weez | absentia: its an interesting problem, and was wondering if anyone else had seen it or not. suspending the c700 with swap on works fine until about 5-6MB of swap is written. |
| 17:02.48 | absentia | no, never tried that combination. |
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| 17:03.17 | weez | absentia: what appears to happen is that some code that is needed on a powerup event gets written to swap |
| 17:03.30 | absentia | classic! |
| 17:03.49 | weez | absentia: but the SD card isnt mounted in time, so qtopia and everything crashes |
| 17:04.11 | weez | absentia: i thought that was kinda funny. |
| 17:04.13 | absentia | too funny. |
| 17:04.21 | absentia | I find that if I suspend my c700 |
| 17:04.24 | absentia | the battery gets drained |
| 17:04.28 | absentia | no matter what. |
| 17:04.29 | weez | funny like a helicopter with an ejection seat |
| 17:04.39 | absentia | I assume every time I go to get my zaurus, it will have a dead battery |
| 17:04.43 | weez | thats wierd? How bad is the drain? |
| 17:04.44 | absentia | so I mostly leave'm plugged in now. |
| 17:04.53 | weez | woah. Thats bad |
| 17:05.06 | weez | like in 24 hours its drained? |
| 17:05.15 | absentia | I think a lot of people with "dead zaurus" or "bricked zaurus" just have drained batteries. |
| 17:05.20 | absentia | 8 hrs |
| 17:05.27 | weez | damn.. |
| 17:05.36 | absentia | i'll verify more later... to make sure I'm not talking crap |
| 17:05.41 | absentia | I even charged a battery, or so I thought |
| 17:05.44 | weez | that sounds like some sort of problem |
| 17:05.50 | absentia | and when my primary died, I swapped.. and the unit STILL didn't come on |
| 17:05.54 | absentia | again, first thought... dead zaurus |
| 17:06.01 | weez | hmm |
| 17:06.01 | raduga | absentia: I bet its u4ea. |
| 17:06.07 | absentia | real cause: second battery was dead -- even though it wasn't even in use |
| 17:06.12 | absentia | u4ea...!$@#!@#$%@#$%@#% |
| 17:06.14 | absentia | where? |
| 17:06.20 | raduga | in your zaurus!@!!! |
| 17:06.22 | absentia | you have a zaurus, rad? |
| 17:06.28 | raduga | no. |
| 17:06.32 | absentia | rad: ya, I'm gonna leave my zaurus online... soon... let people log into it |
| 17:06.40 | absentia | I can't wait for it to get cracked. |
| 17:06.49 | absentia | why are you here? |
| 17:06.49 | raduga | I WAS going to get that 5500 you just narfed. but you narfed me to it. |
| 17:06.58 | absentia | it was a 5600 |
| 17:07.04 | raduga | oh. Fiddle. |
| 17:07.15 | absentia | I don't like it |
| 17:07.20 | absentia | 7x0 is *much* *much* better. |
| 17:07.26 | absentia | but I'm using it as flash fodder. |
| 17:07.30 | raduga | oh, certainly. |
| 17:07.37 | absentia | the screen is DIM compared to the 7x0 |
| 17:07.44 | absentia | you should pick up a 860 and just be happy. |
| 17:07.46 | George- | The 6000 looks pretty cool |
| 17:07.49 | George- | 640x480 screen |
| 17:07.50 | absentia | naw |
| 17:07.51 | George- | bluetooth |
| 17:07.52 | George- | wifi |
| 17:07.57 | George- | keyboard.. |
| 17:07.59 | George- | etc etc |
| 17:07.59 | absentia | I can't STAND the layout... the clamshell is much better. |
| 17:08.07 | absentia | believe me, the keyboard on the 5x00 and 6000 sucks sh!t |
| 17:08.07 | George- | I don't really care |
| 17:08.09 | weez | George-: i couldnt go back to that crappy little keyboard |
| 17:08.16 | George- | I used Psions for years, and nothing can beat the keyboard on that |
| 17:08.17 | absentia | weez: exactly. |
| 17:08.20 | raduga | is the 860 5x00 shaped or 7x0 shaped? |
| 17:08.29 | absentia | tapping on the screen sucks when you can type 50wpm on the little keyboard. |
| 17:08.40 | absentia | 860 is just 760 w/ software upgrade |
| 17:08.44 | weez | no number keys really sucks when you are pinging IPs |
| 17:08.44 | George- | the keyboard on the psion series 5 was the best PDA keyboard I've ever used |
| 17:08.45 | George- | EVER |
| 17:08.47 | absentia | I heard that the 760 isn't being manufactured anymore |
| 17:08.50 | absentia | the 7x0 is clamshell. |
| 17:09.30 | raduga | George: definitely. I have a Jornada 720, with all the look and feel of a cheap psion clone, but it just never *feels* right. |
| 17:09.41 | absentia | rad: can you afford an 860 ? |
| 17:09.43 | George- | raduga: you used the series 5? |
| 17:09.45 | George- | I loved it |
| 17:09.52 | George- | and EPOC was the best pda os I've ever used |
| 17:09.53 | George- | bar none |
| 17:09.58 | raduga | absentia: unlikely. is it >$800? |
| 17:10.19 | absentia | you can get them for < $700 ... I believe. |
| 17:10.20 | raduga | George: I found epoc rather clunky actually, but linux runs snippity on my 5mx |
| 17:10.31 | George- | raduga: ahh, you are one of the psilinux crew :) |
| 17:10.41 | George- | I worked on psilinux for 4 years |
| 17:10.43 | George- | got fed up |
| 17:10.46 | George- | and sold the psions :) |
| 17:11.07 | raduga | absentia: I'll wait till I have a bit more money then. I've been strongly thinking of picking up one of the cheap 5500s from tigerdirect or somesuch, but maybe I should just wait. |
| 17:11.19 | absentia | well |
| 17:11.22 | absentia | for $174+ |
| 17:11.30 | absentia | I'd put that money into wifi+sd for the 7x0 |
| 17:11.35 | absentia | it's a much better deal, I believe. |
| 17:11.47 | absentia | there are some 7x0 on ebay, but I'm wary of that place. |
| 17:11.48 | raduga | george: I still have mine, but the case is cracked. Screen looks fine, but I'm afraid to use it. |
| 17:12.25 | George- | raduga: ouch |
| 17:12.37 | absentia | raduga: a friend of mine has a cell modem in his zaurus... I was editing his inetd.conf as he drove down the highway... and walked into a mall (to buy a mac laptop) ... heheh. |
| 17:13.10 | raduga | george: I *could* try epoxying it but I worry about damaging it more. the bugger works fine, and its still my favorite handheld. |
| 17:14.01 | raduga | absentia: ha. more fun to wander about the mall with a Psion and Ricochet though |
| 17:14.45 | raduga | well, a bit more fun. Well. Maybe a little. |
| 17:14.48 | absentia | war walking... |
| 17:14.57 | absentia | rad: where are you these days? |
| 17:15.11 | raduga | absentia: same place I've been for the last few years, mostly. |
| 17:15.16 | raduga | san diego |
| 17:15.19 | absentia | where's that ? ah. |
| 17:16.15 | raduga | where/what are you at? |
| 17:17.03 | absentia | playing 'round in NYC now. |
| 17:17.34 | absentia | it wasn't enough to have computer terrorists hassle me, now I get to have building blown up around me, etc. |
| 17:17.41 | absentia | although the blackout was kinda cool. |
| 17:18.44 | raduga | what terror alert level are we up to these days, anyway? |
| 17:18.55 | absentia | not sure |
| 17:18.58 | ChipX86 | Orange |
| 17:20.31 | raduga | is that like defcon 2? |
| 17:21.05 | ChipX86 | not a clue |
| 17:28.11 | absentia | I may drop by some time... but probably not. |
| 17:28.22 | absentia | the people don't impress me. |
| 17:29.06 | Foxdie | CPU Temp: °C CPU Fan Speed: RPM CPU Usage: % Case Temp: °C |
| 17:29.06 | Foxdie | CPU Core Voltage: V +3.3V Core Voltage: V +5V Voltage: V +12V Voltage: V |
| 17:29.06 | Foxdie | fads# |
| 17:29.09 | Foxdie | stupid cat |
| 17:29.45 | fliplap | absentia: for me its an excuse to go get sloppy drunk in vegas and meet up with old friends |
| 17:29.58 | absentia | flip: yup, that's the only practical use. |
| 17:30.31 | fliplap | this was going to be my last year, but i've got a pass to next year so i might as well go |
| 17:30.32 | absentia | there haven't been any cons in nyc for a while... ? |
| 17:30.47 | fliplap | there's Hope, but i dunno if anyone goes to that |
| 17:30.57 | absentia | was there one last year ? |
| 17:31.00 | fliplap | no idea |
| 17:31.42 | fliplap | time to goto work |
| 17:31.57 | absentia | later. |
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| 17:39.27 | cipher | hrm, what is recommended as a good wireless lan card? |
| 17:39.36 | treke | socket |
| 17:39.48 | cipher | ok, any particular reason why? |
| 17:39.54 | treke | low power, good quality |
| 17:39.58 | absentia | I like dlink660w |
| 17:40.06 | cipher | ok. |
| 17:40.11 | absentia | although some people recently said that theirs failed after a while |
| 17:40.12 | cipher | and how about if i can't get the socket, is the net gear any good? |
| 17:40.17 | absentia | I've never managed to get a wcf12 to work |
| 17:40.18 | absentia | ever |
| 17:40.20 | absentia | even under the latest oz |
| 17:40.35 | George- | elite.haxer.com? |
| 17:40.54 | cipher | it's a vhost ;) |
| 17:41.01 | absentia | who is elite.haxor.com ? |
| 17:41.10 | absentia | oh. cipher. |
| 17:41.33 | cipher | treke: after the socket, what would come next in your opinion. |
| 17:41.42 | treke | cipher: the linksys wcf11 |
| 17:41.56 | cipher | alright. |
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| 17:46.52 | JasonM | Hi all, again :) |
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| 17:52.39 | treke | tell me again, why do people want to build nativly ont heir zaurus? |
| 17:52.43 | treke | man this is fricken slow |
| 17:52.55 | JasonM | 'Cause they're 'hardcore'? ;) |
| 17:53.03 | Foxdie | 'ARDCORE! |
| 17:53.09 | Foxdie | hehe |
| 17:53.12 | Foxdie | I tried it, didn't work |
| 17:53.19 | Foxdie | and I don't have a linux system to cross-compile on |
| 17:53.32 | Foxdie | fuck knows how I do it in winwoes |
| 17:53.43 | treke | it's just crawling |
| 17:56.20 | JasonM | Fun stuff :) |
| 17:57.22 | absentia | I have a tru64 machine that has developed a case of the slows |
| 17:57.33 | absentia | but only when using the network to *1* machine |
| 17:57.37 | absentia | all otehr machiesa re fast to that one machine |
| 17:57.46 | absentia | if I reboot the slow node, it's fast to that one machine, but then later it gets slow |
| 17:57.51 | absentia | that bad machine is *fast* to all other machines. |
| 17:57.58 | absentia | try to figure that out. |
| 17:59.09 | JasonM | Anyone idea how to fix a broken /etc/passwd file (where the root's shell has a typo in it) ? |
| 17:59.19 | absentia | can't get root? |
| 17:59.20 | absentia | what os ? |
| 17:59.33 | JasonM | Linux - Embedix. Zaurus. |
| 17:59.38 | JasonM | No root access, no. |
| 17:59.49 | Foxdie | well |
| 17:59.49 | JasonM | su fails 'cause it can't start root's shell. |
| 17:59.59 | Foxdie | do you have another username added? |
| 18:00.04 | JasonM | Yup |
| 18:00.10 | Foxdie | tried r00ting it? |
| 18:00.15 | JasonM | How? |
| 18:00.23 | treke | I'd guess ptrace exploit |
| 18:00.26 | JasonM | I have the regular Zaurus user. |
| 18:00.28 | Foxdie | I'm not up to date on the latest rooting techniques but there's bound to be a way. |
| 18:00.35 | treke | or reflash with a kernel that points init to /bin/sh |
| 18:03.18 | JasonM | Well - I could just do a full reset - but I'd rather not have to lose the contents of the RAM... |
| 18:03.43 | treke | so back up your data and then full reset |
| 18:04.13 | JasonM | Yeah; looks like that is the simplest option. |
| 18:07.54 | JasonM | Is there a way to quit qtopia and leave the system at the command line? |
| 18:19.31 | JasonM | Yehaw! Fixed it :) |
| 18:19.43 | JasonM | Installed a copy of sudo... |
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| 19:09.42 | absentia | heheh |
| 19:09.53 | absentia | ya, you could have made an ipk of a root shell |
| 19:09.54 | absentia | :-> |
| 19:10.03 | absentia | make a sed command and put it in the pre-process... etc. |
| 19:10.21 | absentia | can you make a shell script |
| 19:10.28 | absentia | er, rather |
| 19:10.42 | absentia | can you click on the icon and hold.. and select "run as root" on an editor? |
| 19:10.43 | absentia | :-) |
| 19:15.53 | absentia | h0h0h0 |
| 19:18.40 | George- | what does make dep do? |
| 19:18.50 | ChipX86 | makes deps |
| 19:19.06 | ChipX86 | dependency info in files, so that the compiler knows what else needs compiling when one file is modified |
| 19:19.06 | absentia | anyone know how to increase the # of symlinks allows by redhat 7.3? |
| 19:19.15 | absentia | it's only allow like 7 in a path... I need more than that. |
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| 19:19.26 | treke | recompile your kernel |
| 19:19.33 | treke | dont think it's adjustable from userspace |
| 19:19.38 | absentia | it's a remote machhine and I may not be able to do that. |
| 19:19.42 | ChipX86 | nod, though I don't recall seeing a kernel option either |
| 19:19.48 | ChipX86 | you may need to modify the source? |
| 19:19.54 | absentia | hmmm |
| 19:19.58 | ChipX86 | absentia: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:20.05 | absentia | use symlinks |
| 19:20.09 | treke | yeah, use the unified unix configuration tool, vi :p |
| 19:20.12 | absentia | solaris has a limit of 30, I think |
| 19:20.25 | absentia | so I have like some part of my path that have 9 symlinks |
| 19:20.33 | absentia | redhat is crapping out after 7 |
| 19:20.40 | absentia | it's unseable. |
| 19:20.42 | ChipX86 | what are you doing? |
| 19:20.44 | absentia | unuseable |
| 19:20.50 | absentia | ln -s file2 file1 |
| 19:20.55 | absentia | ln -s file1 file0 |
| 19:20.56 | ChipX86 | usually if you have to do something like this, there's another solution |
| 19:20.57 | absentia | access file0 |
| 19:21.10 | absentia | ya, I've heard that fucking argument for a god damn decade |
| 19:21.15 | ChipX86 | and it's true |
| 19:21.16 | absentia | just like mx records can't be cnames |
| 19:21.30 | ChipX86 | I can't fathom a reason why you'd need so many symlinks in a chain |
| 19:21.59 | absentia | chip: please tell me how I can have my files in two places at once? |
| 19:22.05 | ChipX86 | symlink a dir |
| 19:22.06 | absentia | in two different paths. |
| 19:22.10 | absentia | ok |
| 19:22.11 | treke | with symlinks |
| 19:22.12 | absentia | symlink |
| 19:22.17 | absentia | very fucking gad damn good answer |
| 19:22.21 | absentia | I tend to agree. |
| 19:22.31 | ChipX86 | it's hard to think logically when you're so wound up. Perhaps you should calm down a bit first |
| 19:22.39 | absentia | I'm not wound up |
| 19:22.44 | ChipX86 | "very fucking god damn good answer" |
| 19:22.46 | absentia | this is not the first time I'm come across this shit |
| 19:22.52 | ChipX86 | that's not a rational thought |
| 19:22.53 | absentia | you tell me not to use symlinks |
| 19:22.58 | treke | the issue isnt not using symlinks, it's not symlinking so many items in a chain |
| 19:22.59 | absentia | and then you say that symlinks are the way to do what I want |
| 19:23.02 | absentia | make up your mind, eh? |
| 19:23.11 | absentia | treke: no kidding. |
| 19:23.32 | ChipX86 | absentia: I've been doing this a long time, so I tend to think I know what I'm doing. Symlinks are the solution, but you're using them incorrectly |
| 19:23.51 | ChipX86 | so please, calm down, because you are wound up, unless that's your normal way of communicating, and I'll be glad to offer help |
| 19:24.27 | absentia | (but that is my normal way of communicating) |
| 19:25.33 | ChipX86 | what's the exact setup you're using? |
| 19:25.52 | absentia | <ChipX86> what's the exact setup you're using? |
| 19:25.52 | absentia | <PufPufPaz:#redhat> how are you doing it? |
| 19:25.54 | absentia | heheh |
| 19:26.22 | absentia | I am just wondering what it would take to increase this setting in a redhat 7.x machines without being able to recompile the kernel. I figure the answer is 0. |
| 19:26.31 | absentia | I know what I want to do... I want to use symlinks to point to data. |
| 19:26.36 | ChipX86 | there's another solution, and I'm trying to help you with that |
| 19:26.48 | absentia | unless I can find another portable way to have the structure I desire... |
| 19:26.52 | absentia | ok |
| 19:26.56 | ChipX86 | what setup are you trying for? |
| 19:27.01 | absentia | what's the other soltion? a merge loopback nfs mount ? |
| 19:27.07 | ChipX86 | just work with me |
| 19:27.11 | ChipX86 | what setup are you trying for? |
| 19:27.15 | absentia | I don't understand the question |
| 19:27.16 | absentia | ? |
| 19:27.31 | ChipX86 | what directory layout, what files are supposed to be symlinked.. what are you doing that's so complicated? |
| 19:27.42 | absentia | I like to have my home dir.. be /users |
| 19:27.49 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.55 | absentia | that's a symlink to /system/site/users |
| 19:28.03 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.12 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.20 | treke | maybe you should choose a more sane file system layout |
| 19:28.32 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.42 | ChipX86 | they should all point to the master source |
| 19:28.57 | ChipX86 | instead of chaining |
| 19:29.10 | ChipX86 | keep in mind that otherwise, you're accessing the harddrive a lot for simple operations |
| 19:29.32 | ChipX86 | 7 links is 8 separate reads to get the file you want |
| 19:29.37 | absentia | chip: ya, I'm doing that now. |
| 19:29.41 | ChipX86 | and who knows where on the harddrive they're sitting |
| 19:30.09 | absentia | I'm trying to get my paths... on 8 machines... to be the same. |
| 19:30.25 | absentia | I can do it with a few selected symlinks |
| 19:30.34 | absentia | I just have to be careful on redhat not to go above 7 |
| 19:30.42 | ChipX86 | the problem is just that you're chaining. If you point all to the master source, there's no problem |
| 19:30.45 | absentia | under solaris, you don't get an error, you just get "strange behaviour" |
| 19:30.46 | ChipX86 | you could write a shell script to automate it |
| 19:30.55 | ChipX86 | yeah, because you're not supposed to do it that way :) |
| 19:30.56 | absentia | I have a program to could the number of symlinks and the number of times they're referenced.... |
| 19:31.00 | absentia | so I can check my structure |
| 19:31.03 | ChipX86 | they limit it because of exploits and sanity reasons |
| 19:31.20 | treke | at least it's no longer 3 :) |
| 19:31.21 | absentia | I'll try to think how I can do this without chaining |
| 19:31.22 | ChipX86 | it used to be you could crash the system by symlinking filea to fileb and fileb to filea |
| 19:31.23 | absentia | I don't think it's possible. |
| 19:31.27 | ChipX86 | it is |
| 19:31.30 | ChipX86 | it's very easy |
| 19:32.01 | absentia | I'm not so sure. |
| 19:32.05 | ChipX86 | I am |
| 19:32.14 | absentia | how can I do it ? |
| 19:32.18 | treke | absentia: You do it exactly the same way you were doing it before |
| 19:32.22 | ChipX86 | I told you above precisely how |
| 19:32.34 | treke | absentia: but instead of symlinking to a symlink, you symlink to the original directory |
| 19:32.42 | ChipX86 | nod |
| 19:32.42 | absentia | what do you mean the original directory? |
| 19:33.00 | absentia | I sylink to a directory... but THAT path may have symlinks. |
| 19:33.12 | ChipX86 | all the stuff in the /user chain just symlinks to /system/site/users or whatever |
| 19:33.15 | absentia | by removing the symlink components of that path, it destroys the ability to standardize on that path. |
| 19:33.22 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.53 | treke | it has to exist somewhere in an unsymlinked path |
| 19:34.31 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.44 | treke | so /system is symlinked to /path/to/system /system/site is symlinked to /path/to/site |
| 19:34.56 | absentia | but /system is the most referenced, I solevd my issues before by making /system a copy of the other location... since I caouldn't have my files in two places |
| 19:35.07 | absentia | and /system is just referenced too much to be a symlink itself. |
| 19:35.38 | absentia | true... |
| 19:36.02 | absentia | I could make /site point outside of /system, but then I'd lose the /system single system symlink tree. |
| 19:36.09 | absentia | and that's its sole purpose for existing. |
| 19:37.03 | treke | you have to make a compromise somewhere |
| 19:37.12 | treke | you'd already determined what you want to do wont work |
| 19:37.16 | absentia | blah |
| 19:37.21 | absentia | just lost my reference to where it is located |
| 19:37.24 | absentia | now I'll have to find for it. |
| 19:37.46 | absentia | I just with unix wasn't broken in such a fundamental way. |
| 19:38.07 | ChipX86 | it's not broken |
| 19:38.28 | ChipX86 | what you want to do isn't the correct way to do it. As a result, you're running into problems |
| 19:38.34 | treke | it's not broken, a specific implementation placed limitations on symlink depth for what was probably a reasonable reason |
| 19:38.38 | absentia | I consider this a seriously flawed implementation and limitation |
| 19:38.55 | ChipX86 | absentia: the reason this was done was because of some nasty exploits |
| 19:39.26 | absentia | what's the difference between a directory entry and a symlink ? |
| 19:39.26 | ChipX86 | the kernel limits it to 7 or whatever links now so that it can't infinite loop |
| 19:39.27 | absentia | 7 - infinite loop |
| 19:39.27 | absentia | hahahahahahah |
| 19:39.28 | treke | I dont see how a flawed implementation in Linux is a fundamental flaw in unix |
| 19:39.41 | ChipX86 | absentia: a directory entry holds files. A symlink can point to anything |
| 19:39.43 | absentia | how about ... 25 and get a "warning" |
| 19:39.43 | treke | of course, absentia isnt particularly rational today anyways |
| 19:39.46 | absentia | (soft) |
| 19:39.50 | absentia | and 100 -- get an error? hard? |
| 19:39.50 | ChipX86 | you can't have an infinite loop problem with directories |
| 19:39.54 | ChipX86 | treke: I noticed this |
| 19:39.59 | absentia | or, ebtter yet, just CHECK to see if the same place is being referenced |
| 19:40.07 | ChipX86 | absentia: when you maintain the 2.6 kernel, go ahead and make the change |
| 19:40.18 | ChipX86 | absentia: that's actually not an easy thing to do |
| 19:40.31 | ChipX86 | you could run into a chain of 100 symlinks, all pointing in some odd order |
| 19:40.34 | absentia | ok, I just got called to go to lunch... |
| 19:40.35 | absentia | :-< |
| 19:40.38 | absentia | I'll think about this some over lunch. |
| 19:40.41 | absentia | thanks for putting up with me. |
| 19:40.45 | treke | you can hard link a directory for exactly that reason |
| 19:40.48 | treke | can't |
| 19:40.49 | ChipX86 | go write an algorithm to find if a linked list is broken at some point |
| 19:41.03 | ChipX86 | it's actually one of MS's questions when you interview. I don't know if there's a solution |
| 19:41.23 | absentia | *whew* |
| 19:41.25 | absentia | ok, found the location |
| 19:41.39 | absentia | heheh |
| 19:41.44 | absentia | all my paths are broken now |
| 19:41.49 | treke | ChipX86: I can think of how to do it for a circularly linked list, but that's about it :) |
| 19:41.53 | ChipX86 | treke: yeah |
| 19:42.02 | treke | you could always just iterate and watch for a segfault |
| 19:42.09 | ChipX86 | well, in this question, they place some certain restrictions, designed to limit memory usage and such |
| 19:42.10 | treke | hmmm, guess that wouldnt work |
| 19:42.23 | treke | since that would be slving the halting problem |
| 19:42.26 | ChipX86 | it has to also check if, say, node 42 points back to 7 |
| 19:42.47 | ChipX86 | or if 6 goes to 70, and 71 back to 10, and 11 to 4 |
| 19:42.49 | ChipX86 | odd things |
| 19:43.10 | absentia | scottyelich [371]> csl /z |
| 19:43.10 | absentia | LINK /z --> /www/spy.org/zaurus |
| 19:43.10 | absentia | LINK /www/spy.org/zaurus --> /cds/current/cd-zaurus |
| 19:43.10 | absentia | LINK /www --> /system/www |
| 19:43.10 | absentia | LINK /cds/current --> /cds/01-JAN-2004 |
| 19:43.11 | absentia | LINK /cds --> /disks/disk1/home/scott/data |
| 19:43.13 | absentia | LINK /system/www --> /system/site/www |
| 19:43.15 | absentia | LINK /system/site/www --> /cds/current/cd-www |
| 19:43.17 | absentia | LINK /system/site --> /site |
| 19:43.19 | absentia | LINK /site --> /system/sites/spy |
| 19:43.21 | absentia | "/z" uses 9 symlinks which are referenced 12 times |
| 19:43.23 | absentia | Path without symlinks --> /disks/disk1/home/scott/data/01-JAN-2004/cd-zaurus |
| 19:43.34 | absentia | back in 1 hr. |
| 19:43.37 | treke | we know your file system is a mess. time to rethink it |
| 19:43.46 | absentia | naww |
| 19:43.59 | absentia | computers do what I want, not the other way around |
| 19:44.13 | ChipX86 | wrong :) |
| 19:44.14 | treke | the source is there, make it do what you want then |
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| 21:29.07 | absentia | re |
| 21:29.15 | absentia | Angry emu ? |
| 21:32.07 | absentia | h0h0h0 |
| 21:39.14 | ChipX86 | emulator front-end I'm writing |
| 21:39.21 | absentia | to which emulator ? |
| 21:39.24 | ChipX86 | any and all |
| 21:39.33 | ChipX86 | big huge game menu with screenshots, title images, etc |
| 21:39.41 | ChipX86 | nothing else out there that I tried had the features I wanted |
| 21:39.44 | absentia | back when cmoputers were so simple.. and you couldn't have more than 30 entries in a dir, or more then 200 per disk |
| 21:39.44 | absentia | heheh |
| 21:39.55 | absentia | ah |
| 21:39.58 | absentia | I love my mame |
| 21:40.05 | ChipX86 | heh, my first computer didn't have disks |
| 21:40.13 | absentia | I have the x-box joystick.. x-arcade |
| 21:40.16 | absentia | only the 4 player one... |
| 21:40.29 | absentia | ya? |
| 21:40.45 | absentia | my latest computers don't.. :-) |
| 21:40.47 | absentia | (zaurus) |
| 21:41.47 | ChipX86 | I started on a TRS-80 CoCo Model 1 |
| 21:42.03 | absentia | yup |
| 21:42.07 | absentia | my friend had one of those |
| 21:42.14 | absentia | of course, in those days, you had the tape recoder |
| 21:42.28 | absentia | the neatest thing about the atari was that you could control it... so you could put voice with data |
| 21:42.35 | absentia | and have your basic program start the recorder playing. |
| 21:42.40 | ChipX86 | then moved to a Commodore VIC-20, then branced out to using C64, C128, Atari 600XL, 800XL, Timex Sinclairs, and other fun systems |
| 21:42.48 | absentia | I did a report... hell, I did many reports... on the computer... back in middle school |
| 21:43.01 | absentia | and I'd have the report on tape, and the computer give a slide show.... sort of like a power point |
| 21:43.13 | ChipX86 | cool |
| 21:43.20 | ChipX86 | the good ol' days.. I miss them |
| 21:43.35 | absentia | ya, I went trs80 model I / II at school... until 9th... when I switched to appleII at school and atari at home.... I loved my 320xe so much. |
| 21:43.36 | ChipX86 | of course, a lot of those were before my time even then, but I still loved working on them |
| 21:44.05 | absentia | I still have my timex sinclair at home, with 16kb mem upgrade... sneeze anywhere in the area and it would crash/reboot, etc. |
| 21:44.17 | ChipX86 | haha yep |
| 21:44.19 | absentia | I went from there, straigh tto sun 3 and unix! |
| 21:44.21 | absentia | never had a pc. |
| 21:44.27 | ChipX86 | I have a box of about 10 Timex Sinclairs, and one or two 16kb mem upgrades |
| 21:44.34 | absentia | got my first one in the mid/late 90s... by that time, I had sparcs at home, etc. |
| 21:44.38 | ChipX86 | and a custom-made 5.25" floppy drive my grandpa made and drivers for it |
| 21:44.51 | ChipX86 | well, it was a standard 5.25" drive, but he made adapters and drivers |
| 21:45.08 | absentia | I liked my old atari ... with the "happy" 1050 drive. |
| 21:45.14 | absentia | 1 master, 7 slaves... copy copy copy. |
| 21:45.17 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 21:45.29 | absentia | my 320xe could hold an entire disk in memory, so it was usually the copy host. |
| 21:45.38 | ChipX86 | the atari 600xl and 800xl were fun. They actually beeped every time you pressed a key |
| 21:45.44 | ChipX86 | like on cheesy sci-fi movies |
| 21:45.45 | absentia | I had disks with games that I never flipped over... for over a year... didn't even now I had stuff on the back |
| 21:45.57 | absentia | back when you could double your capacity with a toenail clipper (hole punch) |
| 21:46.04 | ChipX86 | yeah :) |
| 21:46.23 | ChipX86 | good times |
| 21:46.25 | absentia | I never liked the "soft" feel of the 800xe... I had 400 +all mods.... later got an 800. |
| 21:46.33 | absentia | went to 320xe ... and then 1040st. |
| 21:46.36 | ChipX86 | the 800 was bulky |
| 21:46.38 | absentia | st was a bit soft.. |
| 21:46.43 | absentia | the makers of the atari 8bit line made the amiga |
| 21:46.49 | absentia | but I never had one. |
| 21:46.53 | ChipX86 | I never got an amiga.. I still want to find one |
| 21:46.54 | absentia | ya, but it was the original. |
| 21:47.00 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 21:47.09 | absentia | I threw out 2 *dumpsters* worth of computers before I moved from santa fe |
| 21:47.15 | ChipX86 | aww |
| 21:47.18 | absentia | dozens of macs, vics, commodores, amigas. |
| 21:47.20 | ChipX86 | I could never get rid of these babies |
| 21:47.25 | absentia | I know, I had to move, though. |
| 21:47.32 | ChipX86 | yeah.. |
| 21:47.32 | absentia | filled a dumpster, then it was emptied the next morning |
| 21:47.35 | absentia | and i filled it up 3/4 the way |
| 21:47.38 | absentia | all with old[er] computer.s |
| 21:47.47 | absentia | so many p2 mother boards, etc... suns.... |
| 21:47.53 | absentia | monitors, drives. |
| 21:48.00 | absentia | then all the stuff that I kept was stolen a year later |
| 21:48.01 | ChipX86 | should have sold them :) |
| 21:48.27 | absentia | all my sparcs, 8cpu ss1000, cisco routers, hp laser jet, jag/jag/dreamcast/playstation |
| 21:48.31 | absentia | all my cds, dvds... etc. |
| 21:49.11 | absentia | my friend was buying cmputers by the pallette (sp?) |
| 21:49.19 | absentia | $100 for evreything shrink wrapped |
| 21:49.23 | absentia | no idea what it was, if it worked, etc. |
| 21:49.32 | absentia | 4" x 4" x 4" |
| 21:49.35 | absentia | er |
| 21:49.37 | absentia | 4' x 4' x 4' |
| 21:49.46 | absentia | that's a new "concept" ... by the pallette. |
| 21:50.00 | jdh41 | :) |
| 21:51.20 | absentia | blah |
| 21:51.24 | absentia | my laptop at home has a sick os |
| 21:51.33 | absentia | freebsd 5.2 doesn't seem to want to allow me to run xfree86 anymore |
| 21:51.38 | absentia | I upgraded from 5.1 ... frsh install... |
| 21:51.41 | absentia | and xdoesn't work. |
| 21:51.43 | absentia | so sad. |
| 21:55.17 | jdh41 | [alas its an email machine for my grandma, and I don't fell like travelling several 100 miles to fix it if it goes wrong] |
| 21:55.37 | absentia | then why the f did you install xp ? |
| 21:55.58 | jdh41 | it was the only Os I had to hand |
| 21:56.05 | jdh41 | [apart from debian] |
| 21:56.09 | absentia | didn't yo know that XP stands for eXtraordinarlyProblematic |
| 21:56.15 | absentia | eXtraProblems? |
| 21:56.26 | absentia | eXpiresPeriodically |
| 22:03.21 | absentia | there's some trick to how the symlinks are counted |
| 22:03.32 | absentia | I can now accesss 8 symlinks.... 14 times and not get an error |
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| 22:08.40 | pchan | Anyone gotten gaim working nice on the sharp rom? |
| 22:09.03 | George- | don't use the sharp rom, it's evil |
| 22:09.03 | George- | :) |
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| 22:09.30 | ChipX86 | pchan: there's a work-around that I have not tested, but I'll put it in the FAQ in a day or two |
| 22:09.38 | ChipX86 | someone sent it to me claiming it fixes it |
| 22:09.48 | ChipX86 | I'll paste it to you though, and you can be the guinea pig ;) |
| 22:10.24 | ChipX86 | actually, it's a lot of info, so I'll e-mail it to you if you want to msg me your address |
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| 22:17.34 | freyr | i just got a zaurus in the mail. It says not to use the battery or something till 24 hours charge. Its ok to use it as long as its still plugged in though right? |
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| 22:22.01 | ChipX86 | yay |
| 22:22.08 | ChipX86 | must put that in the faq |
| 22:22.45 | Foxdie | freyr: yeah I guess so |
| 22:22.57 | freyr | Foxdie: ok... thanks |
| 22:41.47 | absentia | don't most places do the 24hr thing for you ? |
| 22:41.52 | absentia | ok, going home. |
| 22:50.20 | Disconnect | anyone got tips on a usb pcmcia (or cf) adapter? interpocket isn't making it anymore :( |
| 22:52.10 | treke | hehe, I forgot about zoutline |
| 22:52.24 | treke | man that was a horrible failure of an app |
| 22:52.34 | treke | looks like someone improved it though |
| 22:53.46 | treke | kybu_: ping |
| 22:54.15 | ljp | zoutline? |
| 22:54.27 | treke | ljp: http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=688 |
| 22:54.52 | treke | ljp: It was the first version of an app that couldnt actually do anything useful. |
| 22:55.54 | ljp | yes, but version 0.2 is due soon |
| 22:56.10 | treke | hehe. someone picked up the source and actually added useful features to it. |
| 22:56.27 | treke | like being able to use data other than the built in demo data |
| 22:56.40 | ljp | hehe |
| 22:56.47 | chouimat | treke: check iqnote ftp site 2.0.1 source are there |
| 22:56.52 | treke | chouimat: I know |
| 22:57.51 | chouimat | http://www.janerob.com/rob/prozect/ |
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