| 00:00.43 | Twiun | not even root can write on a RO filesystem without changing it to RW, and some can't be made RW just like that ;) |
| 00:00.58 | Foxdie | I've mounted the whole thing as RW |
| 00:01.07 | Foxdie | and made changes |
| 00:01.17 | Foxdie | put scripts in /bin |
| 00:01.33 | Foxdie | only to realise that ~/usr/bin/ was writable all along and was in the path |
| 00:02.26 | Twiun | I gace up messing with all that a good while ago - working on java projects for the Z now |
| 00:02.36 | Twiun | s/gace/gave/ |
| 00:03.16 | zack | its "export $LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/someotherpath", right? |
| 00:04.21 | Twiun | drop the first $ |
| 00:04.58 | zack | anyway, I put the lib where the original path pointed to, and still says it doesn't exist. |
| 00:05.00 | zack | damn |
| 00:05.13 | zack | what the hell am I doing wrong? |
| 00:07.22 | absentia | eH? |
| 00:07.43 | treke|ho2e | fuck. this pager needs to shut the hell up |
| 00:08.26 | zack | It says to put them where LD_LIBRARY_PATH points to, I put them there, and still makes like the libs don't exist. |
| 00:09.19 | Twiun | sure the libs have the right name? most times the libs looked for differ slightly (looking for symlinks to the libs) |
| 00:10.03 | zack | the symlink it's looking for exists |
| 00:10.11 | zack | I'm sure of that |
| 00:10.14 | Twiun | and points to the lib |
| 00:10.22 | zack | how do I check that? |
| 00:11.35 | Twiun | ls -l should tell you what the link is pointing to |
| 00:12.55 | zack | looks like everything is pointing to libpcap.so.0.7.1 |
| 00:13.40 | zack | libpcap.so -> libpcap.so.0.7, libpcap.so.0.7 -> libpcap.so.0.7.1 |
| 00:14.12 | zack | -rw-r--r-- = libpcap.so.0.7.1's permissions |
| 00:14.22 | Twiun | hrm |
| 00:14.28 | zack | how to fix..? |
| 00:14.59 | zack | I know its chmod, but last time I messed with that it got me into alot of trouble.. |
| 00:15.17 | Twiun | nah, shouldn't need any changes to the perms |
| 00:15.48 | zack | well, all the other libs are -rwxr-xr-x |
| 00:15.54 | zack | it's the "x" |
| 00:16.01 | zack | how do I change that? |
| 00:16.05 | Twiun | yeah, try chmod +x then |
| 00:16.17 | Twiun | or chmod a+x |
| 00:16.31 | zack | what's "a"? |
| 00:16.44 | Foxdie | works for me |
| 00:16.44 | Twiun | otherwise, I'd copy the ldd script from your linux desktop and run it against the binary |
| 00:16.49 | Twiun | yeah, that too |
| 00:16.55 | Twiun | a is for 'all' |
| 00:17.08 | zack | done |
| 00:17.23 | zack | now, as we say, the monkey jumps into the water.. |
| 00:17.43 | Twiun | ldd should give you the list of libs it's looking for and what it finds |
| 00:18.04 | zack | same problem |
| 00:18.38 | zack | where can i find ldd, and how do I use it? |
| 00:22.16 | zack | found it |
| 00:23.55 | zack | ok, so now I have a whole bunch of output |
| 00:24.17 | Twiun | most should hopefully have matching files found |
| 00:24.49 | Twiun | out of curiousity, how big is libpcap? |
| 00:26.13 | zack | 128034 |
| 00:26.18 | zack | smth weird: |
| 00:27.03 | Twiun | only 128k? the zethereal guy could statically links that, it's tiny |
| 00:27.20 | zack | when I ldd from my PC (through ssh) it says it finds libpcap, but when I ldd on the Z, in konsole, it doesn't find it. |
| 00:28.43 | zack | ?? |
| 00:29.45 | Twiun | and it is looking for that libpcap version? |
| 00:29.51 | zack | yes |
| 00:30.05 | Twiun | then it's definately a lib path issue |
| 00:30.10 | zack | and on my PC it finds it, on the Z it doesn't |
| 00:30.24 | zack | oh, f*ck, now terminal won't start |
| 00:30.52 | Twiun | nothing we've done so far should have messed that up |
| 00:31.11 | zack | I know, sometimes it does that |
| 00:31.29 | zack | sometimes apps just won't start |
| 00:31.43 | zack | and now I have 3 non-existent apps in the task-bar |
| 00:31.58 | zack | reboot |
| 00:32.36 | zack | I think I'm gonna have to change to OZ soon.. |
| 00:33.01 | zack | this instability is getting on my nerves, I've acutally had to switch to Stan Getz.. |
| 00:33.26 | zack | ;-) |
| 00:35.08 | zack | oh, hurray |
| 00:35.18 | Twiun | :) |
| 00:35.27 | zack | it's not complaining about libpcap anymore |
| 00:35.38 | Twiun | bbiab, wife's getting on my nerves |
| 00:35.47 | zack | it's started on about a certain libgmodule |
| 00:36.23 | zack | I feel this sudden urge to rant alot |
| 00:37.49 | treke|ho2e | surpress the urge |
| 00:38.28 | zack | I'm coping for the time being |
| 00:38.33 | zack | libgmodule. |
| 00:38.42 | zack | where the hell could I find that?? |
| 00:38.47 | treke|ho2e | in glib |
| 00:41.11 | zack | and where do I find glib? |
| 00:42.44 | zack | according to ipkg, I have libglib installed.. |
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| 00:45.47 | zack | not there |
| 00:46.07 | zack | I installed it again, and it's just not there |
| 00:47.48 | Foxdie | ono treke is logged in as r00t |
| 00:47.52 | ljp | heh root schmoot |
| 00:48.02 | Foxdie | wait, don't most of us log in as root on our Z's? :) |
| 00:48.13 | Foxdie | treke: change the ident to hide the root you eejit :) |
| 00:48.23 | zack | he's IRC-ing from his Z.. |
| 00:48.27 | Twiun | ok, pacified the wife for a while longer |
| 00:48.29 | treke|laptop | I am? |
| 00:48.36 | Foxdie | whois yourself bro |
| 00:48.44 | ljp | treke is so leet, that on his system, root is a normal user and superuser is named superroot |
| 00:48.55 | treke|laptop | whois isnt going to tell you I'm on my zaurus |
| 00:49.12 | Foxdie | no but it indicates you're logged in as root :P |
| 00:49.35 | ljp | ya, and your nick says you are laptop |
| 00:49.43 | treke|laptop | Ah, so from there you assume I'm on a zaurus when my nick says something different |
| 00:49.51 | ljp | noo |
| 00:49.55 | ljp | 10:43 -!- treke|laptop [~root@lsanca2-ar29-4-41-066-194.lsanca2.elnk.dsl.genuity.net] has joined #zaurus |
| 00:49.58 | ljp | 10:43 <@ibot> ROOT has landed! |
| 00:50.07 | Foxdie | ljp: don't bother arguing with an idiot, you'll never win ;) |
| 00:50.23 | treke|laptop | wht the fuck is your problem Foxdie |
| 00:50.30 | Foxdie | teehee ^_^ |
| 00:50.35 | ljp | he's not an idiot, just drunk |
| 00:51.02 | ljp | its too bloody hot here |
| 00:51.04 | treke|laptop | no, your drunk enough to make an ass out of yourself |
| 00:51.19 | Foxdie | I'm not drunk, I'm sober. I'm just teasing you. |
| 00:51.25 | Foxdie | sober and totally bored |
| 00:52.52 | ljp | well, perhaps you need to get drunk |
| 01:05.50 | zack | what does it mean if a file is "not an ELF file" and has "the wrong magic bytes"? |
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| 01:08.56 | zack | ok |
| 01:08.59 | zack | that's it |
| 01:09.02 | zack | I give up |
| 01:09.25 | zack | I will now go to sleep and not break my windows. If I can. |
| 01:09.36 | zack | maybe just one... |
| 01:09.50 | zack | I mean, it's just a window, right? |
| 01:10.17 | zack | bye |
| 01:30.28 | Foxdie | BAH |
| 01:30.34 | Foxdie | what is it with late night programming appeal? |
| 01:51.20 | ljp | its the caffeine |
| 01:58.54 | Foxdie | caffiene? |
| 01:59.15 | Foxdie | it's probably why I'm slowly getting more lethargic |
| 02:02.35 | ljp | how can you write code without caffeine?! are you insane?!! |
| 02:03.14 | ljp | I suppose you dont like pizza, either |
| 02:08.51 | Foxdie | what?? |
| 02:08.56 | Foxdie | I LOVE PIZZA |
| 02:09.06 | Foxdie | especially pizza from dominoes, all greasy and yummy :) |
| 02:09.13 | Foxdie | but coffee / caffiene, no |
| 02:09.24 | ljp | hmm |
| 02:09.51 | ljp | you must program in VB or something |
| 02:13.42 | ljp | weee.. yacht race today |
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| 04:24.31 | freyr | HAHAHAH... lol |
| 04:24.40 | freyr | ljp: thats jokes man haha |
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| 05:30.44 | ljp | hot |
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| 15:53.14 | ph1 | hello |
| 16:18.26 | Disconnect | anyone ever get netfront to run under the compat libs? |
| 16:20.57 | Disconnect | (or, now that I tried it, anything that uses libsl and/or qws_server_display_spec..) |
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| 16:29.36 | csmall | when running ettercap on a 5500 does it run in a landscape screen? or does it sqeuish it to fit |
| 16:29.45 | csmall | like do I have to turnt he pda sideways to use it |
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| 17:03.50 | warmi | hi |
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| 18:04.51 | George- | botty: pester ibot |
| 18:04.52 | botty | ibot: Are we there yet...? Are we there yet...? Are we there yet...? |
| 18:04.53 | | botty: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 18:06.21 | warmi | this was unusually intelligent reponse from ibot .... |
| 18:11.15 | csmall | ibot, csmall? |
| 18:11.17 | | well, csmall is cool |
| 18:11.22 | csmall | ahh thank you |
| 18:13.32 | warmi | ibot, warmi ? |
| 18:13.33 | | i heard warmi is here |
| 18:14.00 | George- | botty: kill ibot |
| 18:14.51 | Disconnect | botty: ibot |
| 18:14.52 | botty | ibot: what are you? |
| 18:14.54 | | ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. eliza's boyfriend. Enemy of SCOBot |
| 18:16.41 | Disconnect | botty: ibot2 |
| 18:16.42 | botty | ibot: freak |
| 18:16.43 | | botty: ibot2 |
| 18:16.59 | Disconnect | heh. |
| 18:20.09 | George- | Disconnect: stop playing with my bot |
| 18:20.54 | csmall | ibot, lart Disconnect |
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| 22:31.46 | George- | http://www.esend.com/sandisk/product.asp?sku=SDWCFB%2D128%2D768&mscssid=7R8J4SLX9MG69LRJ8J8TA64LSPDKCA1C# |
| 22:31.47 | George- | wow |
| 22:31.50 | George- | does this work on the Zaurus? |
| 22:32.05 | treke | no |
| 22:32.48 | George- | how do you know? |
| 22:34.20 | George- | <KonvIRC> SUCA PEZZI DI MERDA |
| 22:34.20 | George- | <KonvIRC> HELLO |
| 22:34.20 | George- | <KonvIRC> Hello George |
| 22:34.20 | George- | *KonvIRC* hi |
| 22:34.20 | George- | <KonvIRC> suck my pussy |
| 22:34.21 | George- | wtf |
| 22:36.05 | luke-jr_ | Anyone know if Laser Quest has any effect on Z? |
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| 23:28.53 | chuckr | If I'm getting en environment for zaurus cross-development ready, what version of glibc do I want to set up? |
| 23:28.56 | chuckr | 2.2.3? |
| 23:29.10 | treke | probably 2.2.4 |
| 23:29.55 | George- | version x.y.z might work |
| 23:29.56 | chuckr | I have a problem with my compiler environment, something's missing, do yo have a moment for a inlcude question? |
| 23:31.24 | chuckr | (I'm giving you a chance to cut'n'run) |
| 23:32.01 | treke | I probably will run soon |
| 23:32.05 | treke | but ask away |
| 23:33.06 | chuckr | understand, I'm not looking fo r the easy fix, I could do that but it'd just give me a new problme in the next file, I want the RIGHT fix. In doing make dep, it's failing in building mkdep.c, it's looking for PATH_MAX |
| 23:33.24 | treke | ah. that's probably an easy fix |
| 23:33.41 | treke | look in the patches for the zaurus-pxa kernel |
| 23:34.00 | chuckr | I'm typing as fast as my little finger s can go! |
| 23:34.03 | treke | i'm gessing it's giving you an error that the argument list is too long? |
| 23:34.14 | chuckr | it's referred to directly in linux/limits.h |
| 23:34.23 | treke | ah then maybe not |
| 23:34.27 | treke | but it still may be |
| 23:34.40 | chuckr | which is in /usr/include and /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/arm-liniux/include |
| 23:34.45 | treke | the kernel had problems with the build failing because the cwd was too deep in the file system |
| 23:35.05 | chuckr | but I think that mkdep.c is probably right, and I'm missing a file that mkdep.c would include. |
| 23:35.17 | chuckr | really!! |
| 23:35.33 | chuckr | I'm surprised, never run into that before |
| 23:36.14 | treke | chuckr: well, for me it was in /home/ggilbert/oe/oe-build/tmp/base/linux-zaurus-pxa-20030612/linux :) |
| 23:36.28 | chuckr | mkdep.c include limits.h , but limits.h doesn't have an include for linmux/limits.h, so I figured that you probably had a limits.h in your own system that DID have that subsidiary include |
| 23:36.53 | treke | you have kernel-headers installed? |
| 23:37.08 | chuckr | where are these, no I don't have them. |
| 23:37.28 | chuckr | I will find them, you just put me on the track |
| 23:37.33 | chuckr | thanks |
| 23:37.50 | treke | your distribution should have them |
| 23:37.56 | treke | they are probably also in a .oe |
| 23:38.34 | chuckr | I have to carefully check, this IS the #zaurus list, I can admit I;'m happily running sash's stuff .... has OZ gotten closer to an Z11 dist? |
| 23:38.39 | chuckr | x11, sorry |
| 23:39.06 | treke | not particularly |
| 23:39.15 | treke | most of X is included in oe, but oe isnt really ready to be built as a distro |
| 23:39.35 | chuckr | I have great usb connectivity with his, but I think I have to get him to NAME the silly thing! |
| 23:39.51 | chuckr | c'mon, treke, come up with a name! |
| 23:39.58 | treke | name? |
| 23:40.13 | chuckr | (I can't do that, I give everyone the shakes from too much laughter when I try to name things) |
| 23:40.17 | treke | he might like protosucks :) |
| 23:40.25 | chuckr | lololololool |
| 23:40.34 | chuckr | goddamn you |
| 23:41.03 | chuckr | ok, 2 points to treke |
| 23:41.46 | chuckr | I'm very happily coding python on the Z, and because of his 3.3.1 gcc, I have compiled both tcsh and vim2.2 natively |
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| 23:43.03 | chuckr | the only parts that I don't like are (1) no 802.11 working yet, (2) the cross env isn't workking for me yet (probably my fault) |
| 23:43.08 | chuckr | scite is one of his ports |
| 23:43.21 | chuckr | tell me about it, I haven't used it yet |
| 23:43.37 | treke | looks like a nice gtk based programming editor |
| 23:43.42 | chuckr | really? |
| 23:43.51 | treke | the keyboard on the z isnt really condusive to using vi for me |
| 23:44.05 | chuckr | ok, it's next up to try, does it do context sensitive coloring? |
| 23:44.10 | treke | yup |
| 23:44.33 | treke | looks like it also does the code completion bits similar to visual studio |
| 23:44.42 | chuckr | wow, ok, you've convinced me, I have some problems too. The native vi really sucks, vim is some better |
| 23:45.04 | treke | busybox vi is just meant to get the job done |
| 23:45.08 | treke | http://www.scintilla.org/SciTEImage.html |
| 23:45.12 | chuckr | huh. In python the usage of spacing for blocking is drivinig me nuts |
| 23:45.26 | treke | hehe, I think that works well for the zaurus though |
| 23:45.49 | chuckr | I havev to take a 5 minute bathrom break, cu in a short while |
| 23:54.18 | chuckr | treke are you still there? |
| 23:55.34 | treke | yeah |
| 23:56.42 | chuckr | I was wondering, the OZ folks seem to have two states of mind about their user base |
| 23:57.22 | chuckr | it seem slike sometimes you think they're regular no-nothing pda users, but isn't that wrong, aren't they very heavily on the side of pro developers? |
| 23:57.54 | chuckr | I can't see this too well, because being a coder myself, I';m biased |
| 23:58.01 | Pendalar | chuckr: the devs are very busy trying to keep everyone happy |
| 23:58.13 | Pendalar | a few of us, mostly non-dev, try to handle 'user issues' |
| 23:58.20 | Pendalar | which doesn't require pestering devs |
| 23:58.25 | chuckr | I think they might consider just doing one job well, that of making a really sweet dev platform |
| 23:58.29 | Pendalar | but yes all devs like to vent on users occassionally |
| 23:58.54 | Pendalar | OZ has no real PR department.. |
| 23:59.23 | chuckr | well, yes, but the non-devs havev so much choice, the developers really don't have a single one all to themselves, that's actually inverted, isn't it? |
| 23:59.47 | Pendalar | choice as far as? |