| 00:03.30 | *** join/#zaurus omin0us (omin0us@216.222.87.96) |
| 00:03.57 | *** join/#zaurus lpotter (~lpotter@c210-49-94-141.rochd1.qld.optusnet.com.au) |
| 00:06.16 | *** join/#zaurus George- (~Test@adsl-166-77.freeuk.com) |
| 00:07.29 | George- | my fucking powerbook just electrocuted me |
| 00:07.31 | George- | bastard. |
| 00:08.47 | Foxdie | meh |
| 00:08.49 | Foxdie | you get used to it |
| 00:08.56 | Foxdie | my sony vaio used to give me burns |
| 00:08.57 | George- | blah |
| 00:09.07 | George- | only the old titanium one shocks me |
| 00:09.12 | George- | the new one has an earth |
| 00:09.15 | George- | fucking bad designers. |
| 00:09.29 | George- | MUD MUD GLORIOUS MUD NOTHING QUITE LIKE IT FOR........... |
| 00:11.44 | ljp | ha ha |
| 00:12.16 | George- | ljp: hello |
| 00:22.23 | ljp | so they fixed your laptop real good, eh? |
| 00:26.54 | George- | yeh |
| 00:26.57 | George- | they gave me a new one |
| 00:31.03 | absentia | re |
| 00:31.13 | absentia | apple ][s use to do it two |
| 00:31.27 | absentia | pressing between the z and X key and betweenthe i and o key... |
| 00:31.31 | absentia | wuld shock you |
| 00:34.45 | absentia | and for the cancelling of a few flights. |
| 00:35.17 | absentia | if you think someone as pointing a gun at you in their pocket |
| 00:35.45 | absentia | you don't say "hi, have a nice day... come back again real soon" ... you either figure out if there really is a gun, or you take the gun, if there is. |
| 00:44.43 | *** join/#zaurus james_lan (~james@ip68-102-105-35.ks.ok.cox.net) |
| 00:54.07 | Foxdie | night guys |
| 00:54.53 | absentia | night |
| 00:58.03 | George- | Foxdie: yeh, go to sleep :P |
| 01:23.38 | *** join/#zaurus qfh (~qfh@pD9E8A912.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:24.15 | George- | ibot: stats |
| 01:24.17 | | Since Wed Dec 24 15:28:38 2003, there have been 2 modifications, 17 questions, 2 dunnos, 0 morons and 31 commands. I have been awake for 9h 55m 37s this session, and currently reference 89175 factoids. I'm using about 12140 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 250.32/32.92 child 55.14/4.02 |
| 01:25.24 | ljp | ibot: ignore George- |
| 01:25.29 | | ljp: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 01:25.41 | George- | ljp: bastard |
| 01:26.07 | ljp | :) |
| 01:26.59 | ljp | I really hope it rains today |
| 01:28.18 | George- | why? |
| 01:28.30 | George- | you're praying for a shit christmas? |
| 01:28.49 | absentia | rain has nothing to do with whether or not christmas is shit |
| 01:29.07 | ljp | rain is awesome |
| 01:29.18 | ljp | and it will cool things down |
| 01:30.46 | George- | bleh |
| 01:30.49 | George- | oh yeah |
| 01:30.51 | George- | you're in .au |
| 01:30.54 | George- | where's it's summer |
| 01:30.57 | ljp | your from a soggy country |
| 01:31.14 | ljp | ya, and its frickin hot - 30 |
| 01:31.55 | absentia | I have a pic from las vegas |
| 01:31.56 | absentia | 6:13pm |
| 01:31.59 | absentia | 111 degrees |
| 01:32.23 | ljp | bleh |
| 01:39.35 | ljp | thats too hot |
| 01:40.51 | ljp | herh opie builds better when qtdir is 2.3.7, not x11-3.2.2 |
| 02:07.34 | daniel_ | hmm, the x11rom recognizes my wlan-card as an eth0 dev, but it should be a wlan0 device so i can set the enc.key ?! |
| 02:07.53 | daniel_ | anyone had the same problem? |
| 02:21.19 | *** join/#zaurus rizzy (rizla@81-178-245-248.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 02:21.57 | rizzy | hey guys, i just got an 860 this morning, wondering what qtopia software works well with it, and what to steer clear of... any ideas? |
| 02:25.02 | ljp | daniel: probably the x11 rom uses wlan-ng, and not wireless-tools |
| 02:50.23 | daniel_ | ljp: and how can i set the encryption key then? (normally i would do sth like: iwconfig wlan0 essid bla enc blub |
| 02:55.47 | ljp | you have to set it in /etc/pcmcia/wlan-ng.opts I think |
| 03:20.55 | daniel_ | hmm, it doesn't work. i think i should get some sleep... but the tip with the wlan-ng lookg great, though. |
| 04:20.22 | *** join/#zaurus mithro (~tim@dsl1-83.gw1.adl1.airnet.com.au) |
| 04:41.21 | *** join/#zaurus sheenmaster (~sheenmast@Morristown-68-118-103-87.chartertn.net) |
| 05:17.13 | absentia | hi |
| 05:17.40 | W8TVI | says you. |
| 05:22.13 | *** join/#zaurus sig (~sig@sig.registered.freenode) |
| 05:22.30 | sig | does anyone else have a problem with fbvncserver not working on the Sharp 3.10 ROM ? |
| 05:24.17 | *** join/#zaurus stigger (~jeff@p013-n1-gos.nlc.net.au) |
| 05:24.55 | sig | # ./fbvncserver |
| 05:24.55 | sig | ./fbvncserver: error while loading shared libraries: libz.so.1: cannot load shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 05:25.07 | sig | I imagine this is the same error I get when starting it from the icon |
| 05:26.29 | *** join/#zaurus omin0us (omin0us@216.222.87.96) |
| 05:26.37 | *** join/#zaurus dfgdfg__ (dfgdfg__@66.41.209.248) |
| 05:26.51 | omin0us | hello all :) |
| 05:27.02 | dfgdfg__ | anyone running oz on a 5600? |
| 05:27.11 | sig | go to #openzaurus |
| 05:27.20 | dfgdfg__ | oh, sorry |
| 05:27.40 | dfgdfg__ | have you guys been able to get opie on the default sharp one? |
| 05:27.47 | omin0us | nope |
| 05:27.52 | omin0us | you can't |
| 05:27.58 | omin0us | well, i suppose you could |
| 05:28.04 | dfgdfg__ | it's so purty |
| 05:28.04 | omin0us | but it'd be lots and lots of work |
| 05:28.19 | dfgdfg__ | i'm runny this zynergy garbage |
| 05:28.25 | dfgdfg__ | only one i can get to run thus far |
| 05:28.34 | omin0us | i've heard of some people getting OZ on 5600 |
| 05:28.59 | dfgdfg__ | 3.3.5 looks awesome, but it's megabuggy, console messages always popping up at the bottom |
| 05:29.02 | sig | I ran oz on my 5500 |
| 05:29.18 | sig | http://www.linuxgoons.com/modules.php?set_albumName=Linux_Handhelds&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php&PHPSESSID=d2223ad56c0cb4d832bdcc9ddeb09459 |
| 05:29.28 | dfgdfg__ | it's weird, they have no kernels for the 5600 for 3.2 |
| 05:32.40 | absentia | ominous! |
| 05:33.19 | absentia | df: you can stop the console messages |
| 05:34.34 | *** part/#zaurus sig (~sig@sig.registered.freenode) |
| 05:34.57 | dfgdfg__ | absentia: how so? |
| 05:35.07 | dfgdfg__ | i figured there was a way, but i was too dumb to figure it out |
| 05:35.23 | absentia | ah |
| 05:36.04 | dfgdfg__ | it comes up before i even input, when it's time to set the clock even |
| 05:36.19 | absentia | yup |
| 05:36.30 | absentia | just a sec |
| 05:37.34 | absentia | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?showtopic=7174 |
| 05:37.51 | absentia | echo 1 >/proc/sys/kernel/printk |
| 05:37.57 | absentia | first line in /etc/init.d/opie |
| 05:39.16 | dfgdfg__ | awesome, thanks a lot |
| 05:39.32 | absentia | :-) |
| 05:39.37 | absentia | reboot ... for best effect |
| 05:39.39 | dfgdfg__ | is everyone w/ a zaurus a genius or something? |
| 05:39.45 | dfgdfg__ | cept me |
| 05:39.45 | absentia | no |
| 05:39.50 | absentia | I can't get sh!t to work. |
| 05:39.59 | absentia | I'm good for breaking things... |
| 05:40.02 | absentia | that work for everyone else. |
| 05:40.15 | absentia | I ecxpect things to break so much, I don't get surprised by it anymore |
| 05:40.21 | absentia | I just waited 1 hr at the movies.. for a movie to start |
| 05:40.26 | absentia | it was not n time, etc. |
| 05:40.29 | absentia | I've seen the film melt... |
| 05:40.34 | absentia | more than on one occasion, etc. |
| 05:40.42 | dfgdfg__ | haha |
| 05:40.55 | dfgdfg__ | where do you live? |
| 05:41.06 | absentia | I've had the movie theather manager tell me that the movie would work... more then on one occasion |
| 05:41.11 | absentia | now, times square. |
| 05:41.20 | absentia | but mose of those were in santa fe, new mexico |
| 05:41.28 | absentia | I walk into a bank branch |
| 05:41.31 | absentia | and their computers go on the fritz |
| 05:41.40 | absentia | I use to walk into the giant gas station across from my place |
| 05:41.44 | absentia | and their computers wuold crash |
| 05:41.48 | absentia | like ovr a dozen times |
| 05:41.51 | absentia | out of 15 |
| 05:41.53 | dfgdfg__ | you live near times square now though? |
| 05:42.02 | absentia | in times square |
| 05:42.10 | absentia | 50th and 8th |
| 05:42.18 | dfgdfg__ | wow, that's pretty awesome |
| 05:42.24 | absentia | I use to live near 200 west st. |
| 05:42.27 | W8TVI | I'm a genius |
| 05:42.28 | absentia | (no comment) |
| 05:42.29 | dfgdfg__ | and a million times more expensive than santa fe i'd imagine |
| 05:42.35 | absentia | about 3x |
| 05:42.43 | absentia | I was payin $1100 for like 800qt ft there |
| 05:42.59 | absentia | this place normally goes for $3K/mo for like 600sq ft. |
| 05:42.59 | dfgdfg__ | my sister lived near central park this summer, her rent was like 2gs for a shack |
| 05:43.06 | absentia | yup |
| 05:43.11 | dfgdfg__ | that doesnt sound too back for ts though |
| 05:43.18 | dfgdfg__ | you live in the center of the world |
| 05:43.19 | absentia | some guy paid $132K for a condo in the west village... |
| 05:43.26 | absentia | 160qt ft. |
| 05:43.26 | absentia | sq ft |
| 05:43.29 | dfgdfg__ | wow |
| 05:43.32 | ljp | heh |
| 05:43.33 | absentia | he said he was gonna have to make some lifesytle changes |
| 05:43.37 | absentia | ya, like learning to sleep standing up |
| 05:43.44 | absentia | the condo didn't even make it to the open market |
| 05:43.46 | absentia | snatched right up |
| 05:43.47 | dfgdfg__ | and possibly taking up homosexuality |
| 05:43.55 | absentia | asexuality |
| 05:43.58 | dfgdfg__ | hah |
| 05:44.11 | dfgdfg__ | my roommate was from los alamos |
| 05:44.20 | dfgdfg__ | he was a freak of nature, as are most people from there i've heard |
| 05:44.56 | absentia | ya |
| 05:45.01 | absentia | I worked there for a while |
| 05:45.04 | absentia | the place is strange |
| 05:45.14 | dfgdfg__ | very |
| 05:45.15 | absentia | my license plate use to be spy.org |
| 05:45.17 | dfgdfg__ | what'd you do there? |
| 05:45.17 | absentia | and i'd drive 'round three |
| 05:45.22 | absentia | just to see who'd be following me |
| 05:45.26 | absentia | well, not at the labs. |
| 05:45.31 | absentia | just near'm |
| 05:45.45 | dfgdfg__ | weird, weird place |
| 05:45.51 | dfgdfg__ | my roommate had giant ears |
| 05:46.01 | absentia | what was his name ? |
| 05:46.04 | dfgdfg__ | and absolutely 0 social skills unfortunately |
| 05:46.06 | dfgdfg__ | neal picard |
| 05:46.12 | absentia | don't know'm |
| 05:46.12 | dfgdfg__ | i say this at the risk of being identified |
| 05:46.19 | absentia | what division did he work in? |
| 05:46.23 | absentia | I worked with people from t12, mostly. |
| 05:46.29 | dfgdfg__ | me telling you you have no social skills is a bad bad thing |
| 05:46.36 | dfgdfg__ | he worked on like a web page for them |
| 05:46.39 | dfgdfg__ | his dad worked at the lab |
| 05:46.40 | absentia | oh |
| 05:47.41 | dfgdfg__ | i'm actually running a rom i found on this spy.org page |
| 05:47.42 | dfgdfg__ | https://www.timekiller.org/zynergy/zynergy5600. |
| 05:48.32 | absentia | ya |
| 05:48.36 | absentia | I just came across that the other day |
| 05:48.43 | absentia | although I run the oz 3.3.6-pre1 |
| 05:48.46 | dfgdfg__ | it's the only one i've been able to get working |
| 05:48.47 | absentia | seems decent |
| 05:48.51 | absentia | I thought you were running oz? |
| 05:48.55 | absentia | if you stop the output, it's fine. |
| 05:48.56 | dfgdfg__ | i did, for like 5 minutes |
| 05:48.58 | dfgdfg__ | oh |
| 05:49.00 | absentia | I haven't tried tkc. |
| 05:49.02 | dfgdfg__ | it gave me some funky freezes |
| 05:49.09 | dfgdfg__ | like when i put my wireless card in |
| 05:49.16 | absentia | linksys wcf12? |
| 05:49.16 | absentia | same here |
| 05:49.25 | dfgdfg__ | as well as some other things, they may be related to the console messages though |
| 05:49.29 | dfgdfg__ | yep, wfc12 |
| 05:49.31 | absentia | ya |
| 05:49.36 | absentia | I got vertical bars with mine |
| 05:49.42 | absentia | but I also have a dlink 660w |
| 05:49.45 | absentia | and that worked. |
| 05:49.51 | absentia | but the wcf12 locked it hard |
| 05:49.56 | absentia | I have YET to see that card work |
| 05:49.56 | absentia | ever |
| 05:50.00 | absentia | people keep swearing that it works |
| 05:50.05 | absentia | I just don't believe it. |
| 05:50.09 | dfgdfg__ | it works on the sharp rom for me |
| 05:50.10 | absentia | I've had my card, almost for a year now |
| 05:50.14 | dfgdfg__ | as well as the zynergy |
| 05:50.19 | absentia | ah |
| 05:50.21 | dfgdfg__ | but he says on the site he added support for that |
| 05:50.23 | dfgdfg__ | whatever that means |
| 05:50.32 | dfgdfg__ | but i have a 5600 though too, which may make a difference |
| 05:50.35 | absentia | orinoco modules |
| 05:50.39 | dfgdfg__ | ahh |
| 05:50.39 | absentia | or something |
| 05:50.40 | absentia | probably. |
| 05:50.42 | absentia | who knows |
| 05:51.14 | dfgdfg__ | i almost got a 660w, but i didn't at the last minute |
| 05:51.25 | dfgdfg__ | the linksys was actually cheaper, and i generally regard there stuff as better |
| 05:52.07 | absentia | yup |
| 05:52.08 | absentia | me too |
| 05:52.10 | absentia | it was my first card |
| 05:52.12 | absentia | but it didn't work |
| 05:52.20 | absentia | so I decided to go with a different brand to help my chances |
| 05:52.28 | absentia | considering my luck |
| 05:52.35 | absentia | I'd probably pick the only two that were incompatible |
| 05:52.38 | dfgdfg__ | unforunately i bought it online too, making the return process a millino times harder |
| 05:52.46 | dfgdfg__ | haha, thats kind of like my luck |
| 05:53.04 | dfgdfg__ | is the 5600 pretty new? |
| 05:53.13 | absentia | not sure |
| 05:53.35 | dfgdfg__ | it seems like theres a severe lack of info on it |
| 05:53.50 | dfgdfg__ | the only way i figured out how to flash it was cause zynergy had instructions as well as sharp |
| 05:53.59 | absentia | SOP at SHARP |
| 05:54.10 | dfgdfg__ | SOP? |
| 05:54.16 | absentia | standard operating procedure |
| 05:54.22 | absentia | do you read www.zaurususergroup.com |
| 05:54.25 | dfgdfg__ | oh, hehe |
| 05:54.26 | absentia | and www.zaurus.com/dev/board |
| 05:54.37 | dfgdfg__ | no, i pretty much only searched the google |
| 05:54.38 | sheenmaster | 5600 seems like a flop to me. Only 32M/ram, same as the developer's preview of the series. |
| 05:54.41 | dfgdfg__ | sop for dfgdfg |
| 05:54.49 | dfgdfg__ | i think it's got 64 |
| 05:54.52 | absentia | well, read those two sites. |
| 05:54.57 | sheenmaster | no, that's the 5500 |
| 05:55.19 | sheenmaster | the 5600 cut costs by halving the ram |
| 05:55.21 | absentia | 5600 was just an extra |
| 05:55.53 | sheenmaster | absentia: I love my Sun E3500. |
| 05:55.56 | dfgdfg__ | savagery |
| 05:56.00 | absentia | ya, so yo usay. |
| 05:56.13 | absentia | I bet it makes more noise than my 760.. |
| 05:56.14 | absentia | :-> |
| 05:56.32 | absentia | I downloaded solaris 10 the other day |
| 05:56.37 | absentia | still haven't had a chance to load it, though. |
| 05:56.38 | dfgdfg__ | is it my imagination or does zynergy run opie on the sharp rom? |
| 05:56.42 | sheenmaster | Who couldn't? It's a fat-ass, but true love sees past that... |
| 05:56.48 | absentia | I haven't ever loaded zynergy |
| 05:57.03 | sheenmaster | I've got 9 installed, just waiting for FC-AL support so I can dump it and go back to Linux. |
| 05:57.12 | absentia | :-) |
| 05:57.27 | dfgdfg__ | is qpe opie? |
| 05:57.32 | sheenmaster | Eight 64-bit processors with 4M of L2 cache apiece and 4G of ram makes Swing usable. |
| 05:57.36 | sheenmaster | Still not fast, but usable. |
| 05:57.51 | absentia | hahaha |
| 05:57.54 | absentia | barely |
| 05:58.08 | sheenmaster | I think if might be fast if I upgrade to 8M of cache and the full 16G of ram. |
| 05:58.47 | absentia | speed is overrated |
| 05:58.48 | absentia | :-) |
| 05:59.45 | sheenmaster | I run X11 on a 100mhz 486dx4 tablet with only 16M/ram for my third period class. Wanna trade? |
| 06:00.09 | absentia | no |
| 06:00.21 | absentia | my trs80 model I pocket computer was recently stolen |
| 06:00.22 | absentia | :-< |
| 06:00.33 | absentia | I wish I had a zaurus back then |
| 06:01.30 | sheenmaster | I still have a TRS80 model 100 portable. |
| 06:02.21 | absentia | ya, but that was a monster |
| 06:02.24 | sheenmaster | If they ever shove me in another "computer course" at school, I'm gonna bring it and explain to the class how the MS-BASIC rom is more useful than all the schools Win98 machines combined. |
| 06:02.45 | absentia | true |
| 06:02.54 | dfgdfg__ | how do you gusy know all this stuff |
| 06:03.05 | dfgdfg__ | i haven't heard of one of these computers you've been talking bout for th elas 5 minutes |
| 06:03.16 | absentia | 5th grade. |
| 06:03.28 | sheenmaster | 2nd grade for me |
| 06:03.32 | absentia | hold on. |
| 06:03.42 | sheenmaster | I still have my first real program somewhere. |
| 06:03.46 | absentia | back when I was in 5th |
| 06:03.54 | absentia | the trs80 model III or whatever it was |
| 06:03.58 | absentia | was stored in a safe each night |
| 06:04.02 | absentia | sheen: my to |
| 06:04.03 | absentia | right to my right |
| 06:04.09 | absentia | I've taken digital pics of the printouts |
| 06:04.12 | absentia | and i'm gonna cdromify it |
| 06:04.22 | absentia | I also have the program that inspired me to program |
| 06:04.27 | absentia | kbyter from 1983 byte... |
| 06:04.31 | absentia | the original page... |
| 06:04.40 | absentia | looks like something from the 1700s now |
| 06:04.47 | sheenmaster | the "Uno Warror", 2,000 lines of spaghetti code to form an adventure game. |
| 06:04.58 | dfgdfg__ | man, i was born in 83 |
| 06:05.01 | sheenmaster | for GW-BASIC |
| 06:05.05 | dfgdfg__ | haha |
| 06:05.05 | sheenmaster | I was born in 86. |
| 06:05.13 | dfgdfg__ | he's got programs older than us |
| 06:05.41 | absentia | I have unix timestamps on my files |
| 06:05.43 | absentia | origianl |
| 06:05.44 | absentia | from '87 |
| 06:05.51 | absentia | I wrote a program of minte to count my programs by year |
| 06:05.51 | sheenmaster | I have programs in use that are older than any of the three of us. |
| 06:05.57 | dfgdfg__ | haah |
| 06:06.07 | absentia | I had like 2.5 million personal files, last time I counted |
| 06:06.08 | sheenmaster | I keep a PDP11 emulator on my zaurus. |
| 06:06.21 | dfgdfg__ | i lose my entire computing existence each month generally |
| 06:06.26 | absentia | ya, I have the original unixes... they were posted a while back |
| 06:07.17 | sheenmaster | I ported it myself; glad someone posted theirs. |
| 06:07.57 | dfgdfg__ | how do you know all this stuff if you were born in 86 |
| 06:08.01 | dfgdfg__ | you do computer history or something? |
| 06:08.19 | sheenmaster | Low budget. |
| 06:08.24 | dfgdfg__ | haha |
| 06:08.38 | dfgdfg__ | sounds like your learned a lifetime of stuff via your low budged |
| 06:08.42 | dfgdfg__ | budget |
| 06:09.49 | sheenmaster | I'm rather thankful for it, a 186 may not be an 8-way UltraSparc, but I learned a lot more from it than I would have a playstation. |
| 06:09.53 | absentia | echo 1 >/proc/sys/kernel/printk |
| 06:10.03 | absentia | http://www.spy.org/images/tmp/scottoduc.gif |
| 06:10.08 | absentia | kind of a large image |
| 06:10.20 | sheenmaster | (Yes, I was using a 186 as a workstation while my friends had playstations.) |
| 06:10.21 | absentia | that was on the cover of the uni application when my sister applied :-) |
| 06:11.13 | sheenmaster | What model is that? An SS1 or a Sun/4? |
| 06:11.34 | sheenmaster | I have an SS2 in the tower of sparcstations to my left. |
| 06:11.38 | absentia | http://www.spy.org/images/tmp/scottoduc.gif |
| 06:11.48 | dfgdfg__ | i've never even heard of a 186 |
| 06:12.04 | absentia | http://www.spy.org/images/tmp/s2oduc.jpg |
| 06:12.10 | absentia | fucking cut and paste never works the first time |
| 06:12.13 | absentia | yet another thing that's failing for me |
| 06:12.17 | absentia | 8086 |
| 06:12.24 | dfgdfg__ | what's scottoduc? |
| 06:12.24 | sheenmaster | Small production run between 8086 and 80286. |
| 06:12.26 | absentia | sun 3/60 |
| 06:12.32 | sheenmaster | ah |
| 06:12.34 | absentia | that was the one that would crash.. when I loaded my "fourth" xterm |
| 06:12.36 | sheenmaster | damn that's old. |
| 06:12.36 | absentia | 3 were fine |
| 06:12.40 | absentia | the 4th could crash the box. |
| 06:12.42 | absentia | only for me. |
| 06:12.51 | sheenmaster | damn |
| 06:12.53 | absentia | hey |
| 06:12.59 | absentia | to the left of that beast was a row of 3/50s |
| 06:13.16 | sheenmaster | I wonder how man xterms I can run... |
| 06:13.43 | sheenmaster | I use an iBook as my terminal, the E3500 can't do better than 8-bit color without sacrificing two processors and $6,000. |
| 06:14.10 | absentia | http://www.reed.edu/~gronkep/webofpolitics/reviews/stempel-atlarge.html |
| 06:14.57 | absentia | sheen: I didn't know what the web lookedl ike in 16bit until like '98 |
| 06:14.59 | absentia | damn cg6 |
| 06:15.41 | sheenmaster | I miss BBSes. |
| 06:16.23 | sheenmaster | Those magical dial-ins that were often free, and neither had Flash nor Spam. |
| 06:16.30 | dfgdfg__ | you guys are making me feel like a failure |
| 06:16.38 | dfgdfg__ | w/ all your knowledge and stuff |
| 06:17.03 | dfgdfg__ | you need to start being lazier |
| 06:17.10 | dfgdfg__ | making smoking blunts hourly |
| 06:17.16 | dfgdfg__ | something to let goobs like me catch up |
| 06:17.23 | absentia | I was banned from most bbses around norfolk va |
| 06:17.23 | sheenmaster | For all you know, we're friggin geniouses when high. |
| 06:17.30 | absentia | because the sysadmins said I was sharing my password |
| 06:17.39 | absentia | since they compared login times, and I was on 8 bbses at the same time |
| 06:17.41 | dfgdfg__ | but the laziness it waht i'm going for |
| 06:17.46 | absentia | of course, I was using the uni's dialin modems to dial out... |
| 06:17.49 | absentia | just because I could. |
| 06:18.02 | absentia | no failure |
| 06:18.05 | absentia | depends on what you want to do. |
| 06:18.08 | dfgdfg__ | haah |
| 06:18.13 | absentia | I always wanted to be an architect |
| 06:18.17 | absentia | but I found computers came easier |
| 06:18.21 | absentia | and there was money involved |
| 06:18.33 | absentia | and now I'm a sysadmin.. which is like an architect for computers |
| 06:18.37 | absentia | I program, which is like building, etc. |
| 06:18.52 | dfgdfg__ | yeah, i like programming, i'm just so lazy it's out of control |
| 06:18.56 | dfgdfg__ | truly out of contro |
| 06:18.57 | dfgdfg__ | l |
| 06:19.07 | sheenmaster | Programming rules. |
| 06:19.18 | dfgdfg__ | i've started like 100 programs in my day |
| 06:19.22 | dfgdfg__ | most i ever did was like 500 lines |
| 06:19.32 | dfgdfg__ | cept for php for work, but that dont count |
| 06:19.38 | absentia | I was doing 800 lines a night of jabba |
| 06:19.41 | absentia | back in '98 or so. |
| 06:19.43 | sheenmaster | I'm working on an instant messenger server and protocol at the moment. |
| 06:19.51 | absentia | that was a wonderful time. |
| 06:19.59 | dfgdfg__ | jabba? |
| 06:20.02 | absentia | java |
| 06:20.18 | dfgdfg__ | ah, haha |
| 06:20.30 | dfgdfg__ | i did some servlets/jsps a few years back |
| 06:20.43 | dfgdfg__ | i was proud cause i was the youngest programmer ever at my work |
| 06:20.52 | dfgdfg__ | but now you guys have taken the pride from me. now all i have is shame. |
| 06:21.00 | sheenmaster | Java's a nice language, but Sun needs to cut the crap. |
| 06:21.01 | dfgdfg__ | :p |
| 06:21.08 | dfgdfg__ | java is out of control bloated |
| 06:21.17 | dfgdfg__ | tomcat wants like 3/4 gig to serve a few pages |
| 06:21.19 | sheenmaster | dfgdfg__: I had my first programming job (9-5) at 16, as the head of programming for a company. |
| 06:21.31 | dfgdfg__ | see, don't tell me these things |
| 06:21.36 | sheenmaster | hehe |
| 06:21.45 | sheenmaster | I quit because they were cheating bastards. |
| 06:21.52 | sheenmaster | Now I'm a CEO. |
| 06:22.01 | dfgdfg__ | can you give me a job |
| 06:22.03 | absentia | congrats! |
| 06:22.06 | sheenmaster | thx |
| 06:22.17 | sheenmaster | They are just about dead. |
| 06:22.30 | absentia | wrote 132058 bytes read 1768908561 bytes 438152.48 bytes/sec |
| 06:22.43 | absentia | I don't think that's correct throughput |
| 06:22.56 | absentia | peace [386]> rsync www.spy.org:/cds/. /cds/. |
| 06:23.20 | absentia | I'm working on a filsystem so all my files paths are the same at all my sites |
| 06:23.26 | absentia | work, and 6 offsite locations |
| 06:23.27 | absentia | and zaurus, etc. |
| 06:23.48 | absentia | cd; pwd |
| 06:23.50 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.15 | sheenmaster | dfgdfg__: not right now, we'll be hiring again by this time next year. We have very strict skill requirements for programmers; keeps things profitable and work within the US. |
| 06:24.40 | dfgdfg__ | i think i can program pretty well when need be |
| 06:24.43 | dfgdfg__ | what kind of stuff? |
| 06:25.28 | dfgdfg__ | do you program i mean |
| 06:25.32 | absentia | you said that they were dead? |
| 06:25.33 | absentia | the cmpany? |
| 06:25.36 | sheenmaster | dfgdfg__: everything. |
| 06:25.40 | absentia | what were you reeferring to ? |
| 06:25.44 | absentia | what does the company do/program ? |
| 06:25.57 | sheenmaster | absentia: effectively dead. They are down to two non-grunt employees, the owner included. |
| 06:26.12 | dfgdfg__ | you just program contract stuff for whoever? |
| 06:26.35 | sheenmaster | We accept it, but we also have inside and OSS projects. |
| 06:27.04 | dfgdfg__ | oss? |
| 06:27.08 | dfgdfg__ | what kind of stuff? |
| 06:27.10 | sheenmaster | Open Source Software. |
| 06:27.40 | dfgdfg__ | oh, hehe, i thought you were talking about oss sound stuff |
| 06:27.45 | dfgdfg__ | what kind of stuff have you done? |
| 06:28.14 | sheenmaster | FlameChat is about to be made public. |
| 06:28.34 | sheenmaster | As soon as the licenses are finished. |
| 06:28.53 | sheenmaster | It's an instant message sever, chat server, web server, and utility server rolled into one protocol. |
| 06:29.22 | sheenmaster | Written in Java, but with none of the bloat that's in Sun's Java code. Fully scriptable, and completely GCJ compatible. |
| 06:29.35 | absentia | nice |
| 06:29.45 | absentia | do you know ... twisted matrix ? |
| 06:30.29 | sheenmaster | There's also a calculator that I keep as a side project, FlameCalc. It's RPN-based, but with web scripting and other advanced features. The next update has loops and if methods, the essential stuff for making it a real language. http://www.flamecalc.com/ |
| 06:30.34 | sheenmaster | nope, can't say that I do. |
| 06:30.41 | dfgdfg__ | interesting |
| 06:31.04 | sheenmaster | http://www.twistedmatrix.com/ ? |
| 06:31.47 | absentia | tes |
| 06:31.51 | absentia | yes |
| 06:32.53 | sheenmaster | Seems interesting, what about it? |
| 06:33.02 | absentia | seems like what you're doing |
| 06:33.03 | absentia | in python |
| 06:33.06 | absentia | vs java |
| 06:33.34 | sheenmaster | Not really. |
| 06:34.17 | sheenmaster | FlameChat just includes other programs as plugins, it's not a network framework. |
| 06:34.52 | absentia | I'm gonna craal into bed |
| 06:34.55 | sheenmaster | Makes for some ineteresting additions though. Five lines to make a FlameCalc bot for FlameChat, with unique stacks to each user conversing with it. |
| 06:34.56 | absentia | I'll be back on via the 760... |
| 06:35.02 | sheenmaster | absentia: Santa doesn't come for lazy kids. |
| 06:35.43 | W8TVI | Bah! Humbug! |
| 06:36.13 | sheenmaster | W8TVI: Humbug yourself, I'm getting a 512M SD at 6 am. |
| 06:36.34 | absentia | re from 760 |
| 06:36.54 | sheenmaster | My zaurus has been without an SD since I moved my 256 into my graphing calculator. |
| 06:38.07 | absentia | my sd is unstable... |
| 06:38.11 | sheenmaster | I wonder if the HP49g+ could run Linux. You'd have to kill an SD with each boot, or do swap over NFS over PPP over IrDA, but it might boot this year. |
| 06:38.44 | sheenmaster | So is mine, that's why it was moved. My calculator doesn't care that a small portion at the beginning is unwritable, but fdisk won't partition it. |
| 06:39.03 | dfgdfg__ | absentia: what kinda sd? |
| 06:39.25 | absentia | lexar 512 |
| 06:40.11 | dfgdfg__ | i'll make sure not to get that one |
| 06:40.15 | dfgdfg__ | are sandisks good? |
| 06:40.20 | absentia | no |
| 06:40.22 | absentia | worst |
| 06:40.27 | dfgdfg__ | what should i get? |
| 06:40.30 | absentia | lexar are good |
| 06:40.55 | absentia | it's not lexar, it's me |
| 06:41.15 | dfgdfg__ | hmm |
| 06:44.26 | sheenmaster | Back to what I came in here for: A few of us are starting a Linux distribution and package tree that targets multiple distributions. This will contain more traditional computing software, available for the zaurus, and will eventually be a full package set. Is anyone interested in beta testing it in a week or two when we get a presentable version? |
| 06:45.33 | absentia | yes |
| 06:45.49 | absentia | I have 5600/700/760 with different roms |
| 06:45.55 | absentia | just let me know |
| 06:45.57 | sheenmaster | absentia: Email address? (Name would be appreciated, but it's optional.) |
| 06:46.06 | absentia | my name is real |
| 06:46.22 | absentia | scott@spy.org |
| 06:48.07 | absentia | what types or programs? |
| 06:48.13 | sheenmaster | Everything. |
| 06:48.34 | sheenmaster | We'll start with cross compilers, too big to fit on the zaurus. Shell games, utilities, and the like will follow. |
| 06:48.52 | absentia | awesome |
| 06:49.05 | sheenmaster | Our packaging system is designed with cross-compilation in mind, as well as feed duality. |
| 06:49.10 | absentia | what type of shell games/ |
| 06:49.19 | absentia | ok |
| 06:49.30 | sheenmaster | bsd games to start, fortune, fortune quote sets, nethack, everything. |
| 06:50.00 | sheenmaster | We are aiming toward a complete distribution, and everything that isn't distribution specific will also be available for the zaurus. |
| 06:50.12 | absentia | ok |
| 06:50.16 | sheenmaster | Even if it isn't installable without a microdrive for NFS mount, it will be available. |
| 06:50.56 | sheenmaster | Solaris, OS X, and other distributions are also targeted as well as Linux on i386, PPC, ARM, and Sparc. |
| 06:51.42 | sheenmaster | (01:47:54) absentia: my name is real |
| 06:51.42 | sheenmaster | By "real" to you mean Scott or Re'al? |
| 06:52.16 | *** join/#zaurus omin0us (~omin0us@216.222.87.96) |
| 06:56.46 | absentia | yes |
| 06:57.04 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.47 | sheenmaster | ok |
| 06:57.53 | absentia | sorry |
| 06:58.01 | absentia | just put up soje feeds on zaurus |
| 06:58.06 | absentia | slower to type here |
| 06:58.13 | absentia | had to write a small program |
| 06:59.20 | absentia | zaurus.spy.org/feed |
| 06:59.22 | absentia | zaurus.spy.org/feeds |
| 06:59.23 | absentia | etc |
| 07:00.08 | sheenmaster | absentia: I'll send you an email when we get something worth trying out. |
| 07:00.09 | absentia | made a script to find all dirs that have .ipks in the dir... and to autogenerate an html header and package list |
| 07:00.47 | absentia | ok |
| 07:01.13 | absentia | only grabbing files I can use... |
| 07:01.21 | absentia | for my site... |
| 07:02.18 | sheenmaster | I have a feed as well, though I don't maintain it. |
| 07:02.31 | absentia | ditto |
| 07:02.51 | sheenmaster | Just a few essential packages and a lot of useless dated garbage thrown together. |
| 07:04.06 | sheenmaster | We all know scrooge would've loved christmas. He's a businessman, and would've capitalized on such an event. |
| 07:04.35 | Scrooge | <Scrooge> ok, where is the IRC op of Christmas Past? |
| 07:04.35 | Scrooge | --- #freenode :The channel demigods have stolen your voice |
| 07:04.38 | sheenmaster | In fact, I suspect he wrote a book and produced thirty tv specials about it. |
| 07:04.59 | sheenmaster | hehe |
| 07:06.39 | absentia | night |
| 07:07.54 | sheenmaster | I thought of an ad for sun. |
| 07:08.14 | sheenmaster | Slowaris: As bloated as Swing, but with hardware to back it up! |
| 08:46.20 | *** join/#zaurus unomi (unomi@r63-snkMT1.NE.loxinfo.net.th) |
| 08:48.05 | unomi | harro |
| 08:57.31 | *** join/#zaurus dfgdfg (~zic@66.41.255.13) |
| 08:58.44 | dfgdfg | is there a really good feed somewhere |
| 08:59.09 | dfgdfg | necesito software |
| 08:59.12 | dfgdfg | para z |
| 09:16.49 | *** join/#zaurus pchan (~arfarf@h217n2c1o1003.bredband.skanova.com) |
| 09:17.23 | pchan | I cant run tkcCalender, it complains about missing libtkc.so.1, though it is installed. If i run it from root, it works. Any clue why? |
| 09:20.53 | pchan | where can i add directories to my path, kinda like /etc/profile ? |
| 09:35.05 | *** join/#zaurus foxdie-cinema (Foxdie@82-37-50-100.cable.ubr03.brom.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 09:46.17 | pchan | Anyone awake? |
| 09:54.48 | pchan | I lost my default sharp calendar application when i installed/uninstalled tkcCalender, can someone please tell me what the calenders program name is? |
| 10:54.18 | *** join/#zaurus smashie (smash@82.139.196.129) |
| 11:50.34 | *** join/#zaurus pchan (~arfarf@h217n2c1o1003.bredband.skanova.com) |
| 11:50.40 | pchan | ipkg_install_file: ERROR unpacking control.tar.gz |
| 11:50.46 | pchan | I get this often...what does it mean? |
| 12:10.33 | *** join/#zaurus gyaro (~dyjjgdhjd@74.Red-217-125-116.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 12:45.44 | *** join/#zaurus pchan (~arfarf@h217n2c1o1003.bredband.skanova.com) |
| 12:49.52 | George- | so, what did everyone get for xmas? |
| 12:51.41 | pchan | A wlan card for my Z, plus 128 mb SD card |
| 12:51.41 | pchan | :D |
| 12:51.49 | pchan | I have a problem though |
| 12:51.57 | pchan | Trying to install a package, i get: ipkg_install_file: ERROR unpacking control.tar.gz from |
| 12:52.01 | pchan | Any clue? :x |
| 12:52.15 | George- | no idea |
| 12:52.19 | George- | haven't played with my Z for months |
| 12:52.28 | George- | I got a 30GB iPod |
| 12:52.33 | George- | although it's in repair at the moment :D |
| 12:52.34 | George- | lol |
| 12:52.38 | George- | and Britannica |
| 12:52.41 | George- | a new mouse |
| 12:52.46 | George- | and a mobile phone |
| 12:55.30 | pchan | poor Z :( |
| 12:55.35 | pchan | I bet hes lonely.. |
| 12:55.38 | George- | lol |
| 13:19.51 | Foxdie | you got what? |
| 13:20.08 | Foxdie | I got a pair of jeans, an electric toothbrush, and a bottle of baileys |
| 13:23.01 | pchan | I got an electric toothbrush too :-/ |
| 13:46.20 | George- | haha |
| 13:46.26 | George- | Foxdie: so, what did you get? |
| 13:46.36 | Foxdie | thats it |
| 13:46.40 | Foxdie | I just told you |
| 13:47.02 | George- | oh right |
| 13:47.09 | George- | no techie stuff? |
| 13:47.18 | Foxdie | nope :( |
| 13:47.32 | George- | sucker |
| 13:47.37 | George- | j/k |
| 13:47.38 | George- | :) |
| 13:48.30 | George- | hell yeh |
| 13:48.34 | George- | my TV rip of Chicken Run |
| 13:48.36 | George- | :D |
| 13:48.37 | George- | on DVD |
| 13:48.40 | George- | totally rocks |
| 13:48.47 | George- | the quality is amazing considering it was broadcasted |
| 14:13.03 | *** join/#zaurus W8TVI (~w8tvi@userd90.torchlake.com) |
| 14:22.40 | enginuitor | whoops |
| 14:23.05 | enginuitor | Well, merry Christmas |
| 14:23.26 | enginuitor | Lol, I finished the WiFi Antenna From Hell project... |
| 14:24.19 | enginuitor | I decided not to add a jack since I didn't have any on hand and there was no room to drill on the board |
| 14:24.24 | *** join/#zaurus ruied_Zaurus (~ruied_Zau@81.84.146.128) |
| 14:24.32 | enginuitor | uh-oh |
| 14:24.46 | enginuitor | hmm |
| 14:24.50 | enginuitor | anyway... |
| 14:25.03 | enginuitor | So I cut the last 2 inches or so off a toy walkie-talkie... |
| 14:25.23 | enginuitor | (antenna) |
| 14:25.48 | enginuitor | dremeled out a bunch of plastic from the top of the card... |
| 14:26.21 | enginuitor | Soldered a bare wire to the antenna pad, then stuck it up inside the antenna... |
| 14:26.50 | enginuitor | Shoved everything together, then used an entire glue stick to make sort of a support for it |
| 14:27.03 | enginuitor | Burned my self several times during the process... |
| 14:27.14 | enginuitor | But spraypainted black, it looks pretty nifty |
| 14:27.59 | enginuitor | And it's good enough that the other day, I was sitting in my room and discovered I had been using the neighbors' WiFi! |
| 14:29.18 | Foxdie | o.O |
| 14:47.44 | George- | enginuitor: hahaha |
| 14:48.02 | *** join/#zaurus mutexer (~mutexer@adsl-210-64-60.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 14:48.53 | cyn_ | enginuitor: haha i'd like to see a pic of that just out of curiosity |
| 14:49.33 | George- | Britannica's going to take up 4.11GB on my hdd! |
| 14:49.35 | George- | :P |
| 14:59.34 | *** join/#zaurus mutexer (~mutexer@adsl-210-64-60.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 15:45.31 | *** join/#zaurus qfh (~qfh@pD9E8A912.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:46.33 | *** join/#zaurus enginuitor_z (~enginuito@209-128-75-162.BAYAREA.NET) |
| 15:47.04 | enginuitor_z | I love my new antenna... |
| 15:48.50 | Reddog-[Away] | hehe, what type card? |
| 15:49.01 | enginuitor_z | generic prism cf |
| 15:49.14 | Reddog-[Away] | how much was the card? |
| 15:49.28 | enginuitor_z | like 35 on ebay |
| 15:49.35 | Reddog-[Away] | that's what i wanna do, find a cheap wifi card, and add an antenna |
| 15:49.36 | enginuitor_z | but no connector.... |
| 15:49.40 | enginuitor_z | yup |
| 15:49.47 | Reddog-[Away] | i've got a bunch of connectors at work |
| 15:49.53 | Pendalar | yeah and walk around with a pringles can? |
| 15:50.17 | sheenmaster | I tried a parabolic antenna in a basebal cap. |
| 15:50.29 | sheenmaster | Forgot that my school made hats illegal a few years ago. |
| 15:50.32 | sheenmaster | (dumbasses) |
| 15:50.37 | Reddog-[Away] | i got my wardriver t-shirt from thinkgeek today ;) |
| 15:51.01 | enginuitor_z | cool |
| 15:51.24 | enginuitor_z | yeah, i just have a 1/2-wave whip here |
| 15:51.41 | enginuitor_z | cut it off an old walkie-talkie |
| 15:51.57 | enginuitor_z | but it works like 3x as well as the built-in |
| 15:52.01 | Reddog-[Away] | nice |
| 15:52.25 | Reddog-[Away] | my socket card gets pretty good range |
| 15:52.32 | Reddog-[Away] | i've done some warwalking with that |
| 15:52.36 | enginuitor_z | irc'ing from the z is something i'll have to get used to... |
| 15:52.51 | enginuitor_z | yeah, i got chalk for christmas! |
| 15:52.56 | enginuitor_z | heh heh |
| 15:53.04 | Reddog-[Away] | lol |
| 15:53.18 | enginuitor_z | i'm gonna warchalk all over my school |
| 15:53.53 | enginuitor_z | there's at least 6 ap's there |
| 15:54.22 | Reddog-[Away] | lmao |
| 15:55.22 | enginuitor_z | and not a single student i know, besides my little circle of friends, even knows what wifi is |
| 15:55.43 | Reddog-[Away] | fun, isn't it? |
| 15:55.51 | enginuitor_z | yup :) |
| 15:56.21 | enginuitor_z | it's "wireless dsl" to them |
| 15:56.35 | Reddog-[Away] | hah |
| 15:56.36 | enginuitor_z | and they refuse to believe otherwise |
| 15:58.47 | enginuitor_z | they ask how much it costs per month... |
| 15:59.06 | Reddog-[Away] | $20, paid directly to me. |
| 15:59.20 | enginuitor_z | :) !!! |
| 15:59.28 | enginuitor_z | i gotta try that... |
| 16:01.22 | Reddog-[Away] | http://www.reddog.haveman.net/pics/xmas03/gifts/mvc-008s.jpg <-- my x-mas stuffage ;) |
| 16:01.44 | enginuitor_z | brb, gotta start opera... |
| 16:02.00 | Reddog-[Away] | ah, you're on a z.. prolly way too big then |
| 16:03.05 | enginuitor_z | oooh... bawls |
| 16:03.16 | enginuitor_z | lots of caffiene there... |
| 16:03.33 | Reddog-[Away] | thinkgeek caffeine sampler |
| 16:03.39 | enginuitor_z | ah |
| 16:03.42 | enginuitor_z | figured |
| 16:04.26 | Reddog-[Away] | my Z was shy, and didn't wanna pose for the pic |
| 16:05.15 | enginuitor_z | uh-oh... |
| 16:05.20 | enginuitor_z | battery warning |
| 16:05.32 | enginuitor_z | gotta go |
| 16:05.35 | Reddog-[Away] | kk |
| 16:05.39 | enginuitor_z | nice talking to ya' |
| 16:05.48 | Reddog-[Away] | you too |
| 16:06.17 | *** part/#zaurus enginuitor_z (~enginuito@209-128-75-162.BAYAREA.NET) |
| 16:45.00 | treke|home | cool. oliver released binaries of the new opie mail app |
| 16:47.42 | George- | moooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 16:48.51 | George- | chicken run is a fucking stupid film |
| 16:48.51 | George- | lol |
| 16:52.49 | treke|home | hmmm. I'm on day two of of this transcode run. this is getting scary |
| 16:54.05 | MG_Tak | Can't even flash my W. |
| 16:54.15 | George- | sucker. |
| 16:54.20 | George- | whatever a "W" is |
| 16:54.47 | MG_Tak | damn azerty keyboards |
| 17:10.59 | cyn_ | azerty? |
| 17:11.11 | cyn_ | never heard of a azerty |
| 17:12.25 | treke|home | it's wierd |
| 17:12.35 | treke|home | the french seem to like it |
| 17:12.54 | cyn_ | yea |
| 17:13.13 | treke|home | at least that's the impression I get since I know two people who use it and both are french |
| 17:13.17 | cyn_ | that's the consensus google is giving |
| 17:24.19 | *** join/#zaurus _stigger (~jeff@p023-n1-gos.nlc.net.au) |
| 17:36.51 | MG_Tak | treke|home: that's because French uses different letters more commonly |
| 17:37.34 | MG_Tak | and azerty keyboards have a lot of different characters like é, è, ç, à which French uses all the time and english ignores unless the words are taken from another language |
| 17:38.24 | MG_Tak | though why they would switch q and a, I'm not certain |
| 17:38.52 | MG_Tak | the z and w are switched too which makes sense because W's almost never used and z is a lot more |
| 17:39.16 | MG_Tak | but mostly, it just causes headaches for people who change countries |
| 17:39.25 | sheenmaster | MG_Tak: France outlaws individual words. Anything it does to keyboards pales by comparison. |
| 17:39.39 | MG_Tak | sheenmaster: individual words? |
| 17:40.08 | George- | blahblahblahblahblahblahblah |
| 17:40.11 | George- | blahblahblahblahblahblah |
| 17:40.13 | George- | blahblah |
| 17:40.13 | George- | blah |
| 17:40.14 | George- | bl |
| 17:40.15 | George- | b |
| 17:41.15 | sheenmaster | MG_Tak: "email" is illegal, Curielle or something like that (short for electronic courier) is the proper term |
| 17:41.57 | MG_Tak | sheenmaster: I can go up and down in France and scream email all I want and no cop will ever bother me. |
| 17:42.14 | MG_Tak | The law never banned people from using the word email. |
| 17:42.34 | MG_Tak | But it defines couriel as the official word that gov. agencies are supposed to use. |
| 17:43.02 | MG_Tak | Not that I find it particularly smart, but there's a big difference between that and 'outlawing' a word. |
| 17:44.05 | sheenmaster | Still overshadows a different keyboard configuration. |
| 17:44.51 | MG_Tak | Apparently people outside France pay more attention to such things than even French people do. |
| 17:45.44 | sheenmaster | Yeah. They're probably joking about how its illegal for a woman to drive in Tennessee without a man waving a lantern thirty feet ahead of her to warn horses of her approach. |
| 17:46.08 | MG_Tak | sheenmaster: honestly, both laws probably get the same consideration from locals. :) |
| 17:46.28 | sheenmaster | We tend to keep barbaric laws on the book. Horse theivery is still punishablle by a public execution here. |
| 17:46.33 | MG_Tak | French people are used to the government defining what's French and what isn't. We're one of those countries that have an official language by law |
| 17:46.54 | sheenmaster | Then again, maybe the latter works. I have never stolen a horse... |
| 17:47.15 | MG_Tak | Wouldn't there be a federal law overturning that? |
| 17:47.37 | MG_Tak | Isn't there some federal definition of a capital crime? |
| 17:47.54 | sheenmaster | Probably, but the locals here might start a second civil war if you informed them of it. |
| 17:48.15 | MG_Tak | George-: that's a good question |
| 17:48.29 | sheenmaster | George-: That depends; can it mount 120 gigs over NFS? |
| 17:48.33 | George- | hahaha |
| 17:48.33 | George- | no |
| 17:48.45 | MG_Tak | George-: does your country ever see the sun btw? I didn't see one spot of land when I flew into Heahtrow. Just clouds. |
| 17:49.26 | W8TVI | michigan gets more sun than england |
| 17:49.38 | MG_Tak | and Michigan has the Red Wings. |
| 17:49.58 | W8TVI | yes we do :) |
| 17:50.32 | MG_Tak | It's like watching World's Craziest Police Chases on Fox except there's no cops and /everyone/ is driving on the wrong side of the road.. |
| 18:00.08 | W8TVI | MG_Tak: I got a keyboard for my palm Vx on ebay for $3.95+$5 s/h |
| 18:00.21 | W8TVI | those things use to be $70 in the stores |
| 18:03.21 | W8TVI | gmmm |
| 18:03.29 | W8TVI | s/g/h |
| 18:04.26 | MG_Tak | W8TVI: not sure what your point is or why you're telling me.. elaborate? :) |
| 18:04.39 | MG_Tak | or are you just refering to the outrageously good deal? |
| 18:04.43 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 18:05.02 | W8TVI | the cheapest place shown by froogle says $25 |
| 18:05.03 | W8TVI | lol |
| 18:05.19 | MG_Tak | that is cheap, your price |
| 18:06.17 | W8TVI | "You are bidding on a BRAND NEW FACTORY SEALED Palm Portable Keyboard" |
| 18:06.56 | MG_Tak | "That fell off a truck, was used, then resealed.." |
| 18:07.10 | W8TVI | heh |
| 18:07.40 | W8TVI | if it works right and is in good condtion, I'll be happy |
| 18:10.33 | absentia | h0h0h0 |
| 18:11.06 | W8TVI | Bah Humbug |
| 18:11.32 | absentia | h0h0h0 |
| 18:12.01 | W8TVI | Bah Humbug |
| 18:17.39 | absentia | I wonder how much zaurus happened today.... |
| 18:20.36 | MG_Tak | not enough for sharp to get rich |
| 18:20.57 | absentia | is that what sharp is trying to d? |
| 18:23.57 | MG_Tak | It's hard to believe, but I think so :) |
| 18:28.53 | W8TVI | a good one |
| 18:28.57 | absentia | don't we already have one? |
| 18:29.10 | absentia | pda or pocket computer? |
| 18:29.16 | absentia | I want a pocket computer... like the zaurus |
| 18:29.33 | absentia | just about 1/2" larger... 2-8 times faster, etc. 512mb ram... (not rom) and like 10GB flash... etc. |
| 18:29.36 | absentia | it will happen. |
| 18:29.42 | absentia | oh, and a fuel cell or better battery. |
| 18:29.51 | absentia | but until then, I'm satisfied with 760. |
| 18:30.35 | W8TVI | something like the OQO |
| 18:30.48 | absentia | seemed a little *too* bulky |
| 18:31.15 | absentia | even the 760 is just a little bit heavy for a shirt pocket... but it's not too bad. |
| 18:36.42 | *** join/#zaurus qfh^ (~qfh@pD9E8A66E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:36.56 | absentia | is it me, or is cacko quite peppy today? |
| 18:41.12 | George- | define "quite peppy" |
| 18:41.27 | George- | if that means "shit because it's C7xx only" then you're right. |
| 18:41.47 | treke|home | quite peppy means more peppy than not quite peppy |
| 18:46.06 | *** join/#zaurus _BleedingE (whocares@saus04.usc.es) |
| 18:47.46 | absentia | no |
| 18:47.48 | absentia | their wek site |
| 18:47.50 | absentia | 150K/sec |
| 18:47.59 | absentia | web |
| 18:48.40 | absentia | only 14 cdrs this time |
| 18:48.56 | absentia | I really need to reduce my home dir. |
| 19:15.20 | absentia | ok |
| 19:15.34 | absentia | just added zaurus.spy.org to the internet archive (wayback machine) |
| 19:15.43 | treke|home | absentia: Ever thought of just buying a dvd burner? :p |
| 19:15.52 | absentia | tr: yup. definitely. |
| 19:16.02 | absentia | should I add killefiz.de/zaurus ? |
| 19:16.15 | treke|home | absentia: Dirt ass cheap and will cut down backup time significantly for you |
| 19:16.23 | absentia | hmm |
| 19:16.31 | absentia | ah |
| 19:16.35 | absentia | killefiz is in archive.org |
| 19:16.36 | absentia | good |
| 19:17.02 | treke|home | absentia: Full disk takes me about 20 minutes or so |
| 19:17.18 | absentia | true |
| 19:17.23 | absentia | just not all my machines have dvds... at thie time |
| 19:17.26 | absentia | but all have cdrs |
| 19:17.28 | treke|home | ah. |
| 19:17.30 | absentia | but I guess i can get around that. |
| 19:17.35 | absentia | my plextor is 5 years old |
| 19:18.14 | absentia | I have a file structure based around cdrs. |
| 19:18.34 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.36 | treke|home | yeah, until this burner, only my laptops had dvd readers |
| 19:18.48 | absentia | then under each, cd-home, cd-images cd-lib, etc... each ~650MB |
| 19:18.53 | treke|home | you could keep the structure the same, the directories would just grow |
| 19:18.58 | absentia | tr: I know |
| 19:19.00 | absentia | that's what I'm thinking |
| 19:19.29 | treke|home | How long do backups take you right now? |
| 19:19.50 | absentia | peace [166]> ls -d cd* |
| 19:19.51 | absentia | cd-home cd-media cd-roms cd-www cd-zdata2 cd-zprivate |
| 19:19.51 | absentia | cd-images cd-mp3-1 cd-security cd-zaurus cd-zdata3 |
| 19:19.51 | absentia | cd-lib cd-mp3-2 cd-tmp cd-zdata1 cd-zdebian |
| 19:19.54 | absentia | it's scripted |
| 19:20.00 | absentia | just launch a script and feed cdrs |
| 19:20.21 | absentia | 'bout 8 mins per cd (max).... so, 1hr ? |
| 19:20.28 | treke|home | Cool. |
| 19:20.39 | absentia | then use "rsync" to do restores |
| 19:20.46 | absentia | although, I'm seeing 40% bitrot on my cdrs |
| 19:20.53 | absentia | so I'm gonna write a program to reconstruct files from multiple images. |
| 19:20.59 | absentia | where all the images are partly corrupt. |
| 19:21.13 | absentia | (subfile digital sigs/checksums) |
| 19:21.51 | absentia | peace [168]> ls /cds/#INDEX/ | wc -l |
| 19:21.51 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.58 | absentia | 176 cdrs of mine ls -Rl ... |
| 19:22.04 | absentia | then all put into all.gz |
| 19:22.31 | absentia | so I can "gzip -d -c /cds/#INDEX/all.gz | egrep -i "blah" | awk -F: '{print $1}' | sort -u |
| 19:22.37 | absentia | to get a listing of all cds where a file exists... etc. |
| 19:23.04 | absentia | so, out of 2.5 million files, if I can remember the name, I can get the file in about a minute or so. |
| 19:24.14 | absentia | ls -Rl cd-z* | wc -l |
| 19:24.14 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.21 | absentia | about 17500 zaurus files to archive. |
| 19:30.58 | absentia | do you know what artsd (proc, freebsd/kde?) |
| 19:31.04 | absentia | is? |
| 19:51.48 | sheenmaster | artsd? It's the KDE sound daemon. |
| 19:59.30 | *** join/#zaurus ruied_Zaurus (~ruied_Zau@81.84.146.128) |
| 20:09.39 | catskul | is there a difference between the usbdnet and usbnet modules ? |
| 20:10.03 | treke|home | yes |
| 20:10.19 | catskul | what is usbdnet ? |
| 20:10.28 | treke|home | the module the zaurus uses |
| 20:10.50 | absentia | ok, the thing sucks cpu |
| 20:10.59 | treke|home | probably |
| 20:12.45 | catskul | is a kernel patch and recompile necessary to get usbdnet working ? |
| 20:14.19 | George- | mwabwamwabwa |
| 20:16.34 | sheenmaster | catskul: not in modern kernels. |
| 20:16.52 | sheenmaster | catskul: It works out of the box in 2.4.22 |
| 20:17.08 | absentia | what is usbdnet? tcpip via usb? |
| 20:17.35 | sheenmaster | yeah |
| 20:17.54 | catskul | sheenmaster: what is considered modern ? |
| 20:18.05 | catskul | I have 2.4.18 |
| 20:18.19 | sheenmaster | catskul: Debian/Woody isn't. You need to patch or upgrade to .22 |
| 20:19.35 | catskul | thanks |
| 20:22.31 | absentia | so |
| 20:22.33 | absentia | what'sup ? |
| 20:26.38 | absentia | yup, power output of 5600 power supply is 5v 2A |
| 20:26.43 | absentia | 7x0 is 5v 1a |
| 20:32.31 | ruied_Zaurus | my oz 3.2 takes to long to mount an nfs volume, is it normal? |
| 20:32.48 | sheenmaster | So we could run one hundred and ninety 7x0's for the electrical cost of my Sun E3500. |
| 20:42.36 | *** part/#zaurus sheenmaster (~sheenmast@Morristown-68-118-103-87.chartertn.net) |
| 20:42.50 | absentia | sheen: :-) |
| 20:50.23 | *** join/#zaurus fdask (~fdask@CPE00e0292582a8-CM024020107339.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 20:50.49 | *** part/#zaurus fdask (~fdask@CPE00e0292582a8-CM024020107339.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 20:55.11 | *** join/#zaurus qfh^ (~qfh@pD9E8B0BA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:39.48 | *** join/#zaurus _Blue (~grjoplin@dialup39.tri.sch.gr) |
| 22:44.05 | *** join/#zaurus djk (~djk@ool-44c14684.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 23:10.03 | *** join/#zaurus zack (~zack@3e70dbdb.adsl.enternet.hu) |
| 23:10.13 | *** join/#zaurus treke|ho1e (~ggilbert@lsanca2-ar29-4-41-066-250.lsanca2.elnk.dsl.genuity.net) |
| 23:10.16 | zack | Hi all |
| 23:10.29 | zack | I have a question about installing a package; |
| 23:10.58 | zack | I only have it in *.gz; how do I install it? |
| 23:11.13 | zack | oh, SL-5600, original Sharp ROM |
| 23:11.43 | Twiun | hi zack |
| 23:11.44 | Foxdie | is it a .tar.gz? |
| 23:11.51 | zack | no |
| 23:11.56 | Foxdie | if it is just type in gunzip filename.gz |
| 23:12.02 | Foxdie | well you can unzip it that way anyway |
| 23:12.10 | zack | and.. |
| 23:12.16 | zack | will that install it? |
| 23:12.40 | Twiun | if it's not an ipk how can it be a package? |
| 23:13.01 | Twiun | it's just a random archive |
| 23:13.03 | zack | well, under "download binary" it points here |
| 23:13.14 | zack | http://www.cartel-info.fr/pbiondi/zaurus/zethereal.html |
| 23:13.35 | Twiun | sounds like a sole binary - nothing more, nothing less |
| 23:13.46 | zack | and the IPK it points to isn't recognized in graphical mode (it simply doesn't show up) |
| 23:14.04 | Twiun | then the ipk has a problem :( |
| 23:14.09 | Twiun | needs to be fixed |
| 23:14.29 | Twiun | ah... just reread, you're on the sharp rom |
| 23:14.45 | Twiun | the ipk is probably in the updated ipkg package format |
| 23:14.54 | Twiun | Sharp haven't updated their ipkg - ever |
| 23:15.03 | Twiun | and it's been more than 2 years |
| 23:15.26 | zack | and in konsole it says "zcat:(name of package): not in gzip format |
| 23:15.27 | Twiun | you can repack the ipk easily enough |
| 23:15.50 | zack | how? |
| 23:16.04 | Twiun | "ar x currentipk.ipk" in some empty dir |
| 23:16.09 | Twiun | that will expand it |
| 23:16.32 | Twiun | afterwards just tarball it up again |
| 23:16.49 | zack | that simple? |
| 23:16.51 | zack | ok |
| 23:16.57 | zack | I'll get right to it :-)) |
| 23:17.00 | Twiun | yup, that should take care of it |
| 23:17.13 | Twiun | there are other things that can go wrong, but that should do it |
| 23:17.30 | *** join/#zaurus treke|ho2e (~ggilbert@lsanca2-ar29-4-41-066-250.lsanca2.elnk.dsl.genuity.net) |
| 23:18.46 | zack | is it normal for tar to take a long time? |
| 23:18.55 | zack | (unpacking) |
| 23:19.16 | Twiun | why are you using tar to unpack it? |
| 23:19.30 | Twiun | or is that ipkg working? |
| 23:19.36 | zack | well, isn't that what you said? |
| 23:19.49 | Twiun | I said ar, not tar |
| 23:19.51 | Twiun | :) |
| 23:19.54 | zack | oh, never mind |
| 23:20.14 | zack | it's... uhh... very late.. ;-)) |
| 23:20.22 | Twiun | np - ar is often confused for a typo |
| 23:20.48 | zack | so, should I pack it with ar? |
| 23:21.03 | Twiun | nope |
| 23:21.15 | Twiun | unpack with ar, repack with tar -czf |
| 23:21.30 | zack | ok |
| 23:21.44 | Twiun | well... ar x anyway |
| 23:21.55 | zack | tar -czf file file file archive.ipk? |
| 23:22.41 | Twiun | the ipk before the files |
| 23:24.37 | zack | and now for the test.. |
| 23:25.46 | zack | still can't see |
| 23:26.29 | zack | and the console says it's not in gzip format |
| 23:29.23 | zack | I'm trying the gunzip version |
| 23:30.13 | zack | I now have a "zehereal-1.0-arm" file |
| 23:30.19 | zack | what is that? |
| 23:30.49 | zack | I'm guessing that's the binary itself... |
| 23:30.59 | Twiun | I think we need to have your actual commands ;) |
| 23:31.18 | Twiun | and just checking.... you did operate on their ipk, not their binary download, right? |
| 23:31.29 | zack | yes |
| 23:31.40 | zack | but now I switched |
| 23:31.52 | Twiun | why? |
| 23:31.53 | zack | I did the "gunzip zethe*.ipk" |
| 23:32.22 | zack | cause it didn't work, and there was another method for solving the problem that I hadn't tried yet.. ;-)) |
| 23:32.45 | zack | so after the gunzip, I'm left with this one file. |
| 23:32.57 | Twiun | tried running that one file? |
| 23:33.05 | zack | how? |
| 23:33.08 | zack | wait |
| 23:33.20 | Twiun | chmod +x whateverfile; ./whateverfile |
| 23:33.52 | Twiun | Although if an ipk is available I'd guess more files will be depended upon |
| 23:34.24 | zack | DEPENDENCY HELL!!!! |
| 23:34.45 | zack | "libcap.so.07 cannot be loaded" |
| 23:34.59 | Twiun | well, that's easy to expect |
| 23:35.02 | zack | :-) |
| 23:35.11 | zack | you were faster that I was.. |
| 23:35.13 | Twiun | probably present in the ipk, no? |
| 23:35.46 | Twiun | what's the link to the site? I'll give repacking a go |
| 23:35.52 | zack | http://www.cartel-info.fr/pbiondi/zaurus/zethereal.html |
| 23:36.34 | zack | I can't find it in the ipk.. |
| 23:38.28 | Twiun | yup, the ipk only contains the binary, the .desktop file and an icon |
| 23:38.45 | Twiun | the guy should really say it's a requirement |
| 23:39.12 | zack | actually, now that you say, he does.. |
| 23:39.24 | zack | "you may need these libs.." |
| 23:39.43 | Twiun | have a look on zsi for libpcap, or failing that look on ipkg.handhelds.org |
| 23:39.57 | zack | he provides them |
| 23:40.06 | zack | in the "libs" link |
| 23:40.29 | Twiun | yeah... as a tarball |
| 23:40.45 | Twiun | jeez, doesn't anyone provide clean installs anymore? |
| 23:41.56 | zack | you know, I'm not a linux guru or nething, but in the 5 short moths of using it the only problem were the dependency wars |
| 23:43.10 | Twiun | yup, they're always a problem... debian seems to cope though |
| 23:43.43 | treke|ho2e | it wouldnt be a problem if the zaurus had a package manager that was better than a crapshoot :) |
| 23:45.24 | zack | the only thing that can calm me after 2 hours of dependency hell is Thievery Corporation.. ;-) |
| 23:45.29 | Twiun | well, that too - but distros in general have dep issues |
| 23:46.13 | zack | I use Red Hat 9 |
| 23:46.31 | treke|ho2e | Twiun: Some distros due :) I've never had a dpendency problem with debian stable :) |
| 23:46.34 | treke|ho2e | do |
| 23:46.38 | zack | and have had the misfortune of installing Ximian Desktop |
| 23:47.10 | Twiun | treke|ho2e: why do you think I'll be upgrading to debian on my server? |
| 23:47.11 | treke|ho2e | hehe. always a bad idea |
| 23:47.33 | zack | talk about goddamn dependencies! |
| 23:48.37 | treke|ho2e | hmm. and people say the debian install is confusing |
| 23:51.35 | zack | how do I unpack a tarball from commandline? |
| 23:52.51 | Twiun | tar -xzf blah.tar.gz |
| 23:53.27 | zack | it's in *.tgz format |
| 23:53.44 | zack | same thing? |
| 23:53.56 | ljp | ya |
| 23:54.06 | zack | "cannot creat symlink" |
| 23:55.06 | zack | oh, ok, never mind.. |
| 23:56.05 | absentia | h0h0h0 |
| 23:57.04 | zack | why the hell can't I creat files in /lib? |
| 23:57.10 | zack | I'm root.. |
| 23:57.39 | Foxdie | because it's read only |
| 23:57.49 | zack | how do I make it writable? |
| 23:57.52 | Foxdie | the folders criss and cross, some are RW, some are RO |
| 23:57.56 | Foxdie | you can't. |
| 23:58.04 | zack | not even if I'm root? |
| 23:58.05 | Foxdie | you save your files to ~/usr/local/lib/ |
| 23:58.18 | Foxdie | well you save your libraries there |
| 23:58.29 | Foxdie | wait, which zaurus do you have and which rom? |
| 23:58.45 | zack | SL-5600 original (1.0) |
| 23:58.57 | Foxdie | yeah it should still be that folder |
| 23:59.18 | Foxdie | or a full reference for you is /home/Qtopia/usr/local/lib/ |
