| 00:00.11 | treke | kergoth: one that autorotates X when the LCD twists |
| 00:00.11 | kergoth | ah |
| 00:00.11 | oGMo | although, i'd love something the size of the C series for like IRC or ssh work |
| 00:00.12 | Foxdie | kergoth: when using the X11 ROM for the C series, the screen doesn't auto rotate when you adjust the lcd |
| 00:00.13 | kergoth | thatd be cool |
| 00:00.17 | Foxdie | bah, oGMo beat me to it |
| 00:00.24 | Foxdie | problem is, I've got a slack mind |
| 00:00.38 | oGMo | i wouldn't mind doing a little scripting here and there |
| 00:00.40 | absentia | I have two .c files that detect the hinge ... |
| 00:00.53 | kergoth | oGMo: OE/OZ's always looking for package maintainers, if you're feeling bored |
| 00:00.53 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:00.53 | oGMo | but serious dev work takes serious desktop space, a compiler, and a serious editor ;) |
| 00:00.54 | treke | absentia: two? there should only be one :) |
| 00:00.56 | absentia | plus you can call a utility with python or perl... to detect, etc. |
| 00:01.13 | treke | it's just a single ioctl, not really rocket science |
| 00:01.18 | absentia | well, one was a bad one.. the other seemed to be a copy of the first, with a few cosmetic changes. |
| 00:01.29 | Foxdie | scripting / editing files, thats my forté |
| 00:01.43 | absentia | ya |
| 00:01.46 | absentia | author must have been a newbie just learning C |
| 00:01.47 | treke | I resemble that comment |
| 00:01.52 | oGMo | kergoth: dude... i am never bored :) i would love to help...i'd love to develop stuff...but i barely have enough time as it is ;) i'm working on getting a business going as well as a part time consulting job ... but hopefully eventually |
| 00:01.58 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:02.03 | kergoth | np, know how it is |
| 00:02.12 | oGMo | i'm working on writing a midi sequencer |
| 00:02.27 | kergoth | i do embedded linux at work and embedded linux at home |
| 00:02.27 | oGMo | actually, if you happen to know any _cheap_ embedded boards that run linux and would support ALSA and USB... |
| 00:02.28 | absentia | scottyelich [121]> find . -name \*.c |
| 00:02.30 | kergoth | i so need a new hobby. |
| 00:02.31 | absentia | ./src/chkhinge.c |
| 00:02.31 | absentia | ./src/snooze.c |
| 00:02.55 | kergoth | oGMo: heh, cheap embedded boards at all are hard to find. |
| 00:03.03 | kergoth | I wish prpplague had been able to sell off his hackkit boards |
| 00:03.05 | oGMo | i'm looking for something no more than $200 that has USB (1), ethernet, cpu, and is small enough for a tiny rackmount case. |
| 00:03.10 | kergoth | they were reasonably priced |
| 00:03.14 | oGMo | kergoth: hrmmm |
| 00:03.14 | oGMo | figures |
| 00:03.31 | Foxdie | Forgive my idiocy, but how does one resume a process suspended with CTRL+Z? |
| 00:03.41 | kergoth | he was planning on selling the first chunk of them for like $99 a pop. strongarm dev b oards, with all the pins brought out to headers |
| 00:03.50 | kergoth | Foxdie: fg |
| 00:03.59 | oGMo | i bet a cheap pentium or 486 could even handle it |
| 00:04.14 | oGMo | kergoth: nice! |
| 00:04.17 | *** join/#zaurus qfh^ (~qfh@pD9E8B1F4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:04.17 | kergoth | oGMo: looked into some of the smaller x86 boards? mini-itx or what have you? |
| 00:04.47 | George- | how do I decrease the font size in HTML? |
| 00:04.49 | oGMo | kergoth: mini itx would be great... i want sometihng _tiny_ and it doesn't have to be a powerhouse in the slightest, just quick enough to do scheduling, run linux+ruby, etc. |
| 00:05.21 | Foxdie | George-: <font size="-1"> before the text you want to decrease and then </font> after it |
| 00:05.26 | absentia | %job-no |
| 00:05.28 | absentia | fg |
| 00:05.32 | absentia | if you just want the last one |
| 00:05.34 | treke | oGMo: I know of something for you |
| 00:05.43 | George- | Foxdie: excellent |
| 00:05.44 | treke | It ran about 200 bucks I think |
| 00:05.50 | oGMo | treke: hmm |
| 00:06.09 | kergoth | George-: eh, dont put formatting in the code. use css. |
| 00:06.15 | kergoth | keep presentation seperate |
| 00:06.15 | kergoth | heh |
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| 00:07.45 | George- | kergoth: oh yeh, woops :) |
| 00:07.53 | George- | kergoth: I'm not the best webdesigner out there :P |
| 00:08.01 | George- | kergoth: but I seem to be better than most :) |
| 00:08.16 | Foxdie | is there something I should know? mplayer segfaults when I try: mplayer -playlist trance96k.pls |
| 00:08.16 | kergoth | George-: look at the stuff in the openzaurus.org code |
| 00:08.19 | Foxdie | where the pls just contains IP's |
| 00:08.22 | absentia | pyqt! |
| 00:08.38 | absentia | alex: do you have any examples of pyqt code? other than the normal stuff ? like stuff you've written ? etc? |
| 00:08.42 | George- | kergoth: actually, I've just reverted back to the old code |
| 00:08.53 | George- | kergoth: fucking about with the code over ssh isn't fun ;) |
| 00:09.21 | kergoth | absentia: heh, you could always buy mickey's book |
| 00:09.26 | absentia | hahahahahahahahah |
| 00:09.28 | treke | George-: why not? |
| 00:09.31 | oGMo | Foxdie: someone is listening to di.fm... ;) |
| 00:09.34 | absentia | I read mickey's book |
| 00:09.34 | absentia | twice |
| 00:09.39 | treke | hat's what I do all day every day |
| 00:09.40 | absentia | man |
| 00:09.40 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:09.48 | treke | isnt mickeys book in german? |
| 00:09.49 | absentia | you should SEE what fdick prints about the parition table on this CF |
| 00:09.57 | George- | treke: because I can't be bothered |
| 00:10.08 | absentia | might as well be random data on the disk |
| 00:10.09 | kergoth | absentia: heh, dd it and recreate a new table |
| 00:10.11 | *** part/#zaurus gwright (~gwright@209.210.138.240) |
| 00:10.20 | treke | try fdisk |
| 00:10.20 | absentia | ya |
| 00:10.21 | George- | who the hell was gwright |
| 00:10.24 | absentia | it days partitions are not in disk over |
| 00:10.25 | treke | it might work better than fdick |
| 00:10.33 | absentia | overlapping partitions |
| 00:10.38 | absentia | things off cylinder boundaries |
| 00:10.45 | George- | "Greg Wright" grrr.. |
| 00:10.48 | oGMo | hmm, looks like there are lots of mini-itx boards that run linux, but few indicate price |
| 00:10.48 | absentia | part 3 has different phyiscal and logical starting |
| 00:10.50 | absentia | on and on and on |
| 00:10.57 | George- | bloody arse has a name too similar to mine |
| 00:10.58 | treke | oGMo: I'm trying to find a url |
| 00:11.01 | absentia | fdisk |
| 00:12.14 | oGMo | heh... "flashlite 186"... 33MHz 186 with DOS, $69... not bad, but not quite up to spec ;) |
| 00:12.49 | Foxdie | oGMo: I've been listening to DI for 3 years, it's kept me happy :) |
| 00:13.04 | Foxdie | I know Ari and I used to be a server administrator for their IRC network |
| 00:13.08 | oGMo | treke: thanks |
| 00:13.13 | Foxdie | They are good people. |
| 00:13.13 | oGMo | Foxdie: same ;) |
| 00:13.18 | oGMo | cool |
| 00:13.21 | oGMo | yeah they really rock |
| 00:13.39 | oGMo | i'm glad they've got subscriptions now; i havne' subscribed yet but i probably will fairly soon |
| 00:13.55 | Foxdie | if only I had a wifi CF card and a *11b access point, I'd listen to DI all day wirelessly :) |
| 00:14.15 | Foxdie | I buy a $2 2 day pass to the 160kbit streams when there's major live sets to rip them for everyone |
| 00:14.26 | Foxdie | hopefully when I get a job early next year I'll buy a 6 month subs |
| 00:14.48 | Foxdie | Ari's even taking my suggestion to heart about implementing video streams |
| 00:15.03 | Foxdie | most trance tracks have a music vid to accompany them anyway |
| 00:15.07 | oGMo | whoa |
| 00:15.11 | oGMo | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS4568803254.html |
| 00:15.36 | Foxdie | holy crap |
| 00:15.38 | Foxdie | that motherboards tiny! |
| 00:15.45 | oGMo | this looks perfect... $150 |
| 00:16.00 | absentia | Di ? |
| 00:16.15 | oGMo | i've never developed with uLinux before, i wonder if it'd run ruby |
| 00:16.40 | Foxdie | doesn't tell you the cost |
| 00:16.41 | oGMo | wait, Lineo? |
| 00:16.52 | oGMo | Foxdie: $150 or less |
| 00:17.02 | Foxdie | absentia: www.di.fm - the #1 shoutcast station (and no I'm not pimping it, it genuinely is, check www.shoutcast.com) |
| 00:17.09 | absentia | thanks |
| 00:17.45 | absentia | 10244 listeners right now |
| 00:17.45 | absentia | neat |
| 00:17.50 | oGMo | i'd love to know how di.fm supports all that bandwidth |
| 00:17.56 | Foxdie | donations |
| 00:17.59 | oGMo | ah |
| 00:18.01 | Foxdie | not just money but bandwidth too |
| 00:18.05 | oGMo | ahh |
| 00:18.25 | Foxdie | people like intelinet get adverts on the main DI page, and it also helps that the heads of these companies also like trance :) |
| 00:18.34 | Foxdie | replace people with companies |
| 00:18.48 | kergoth | di is definately a great station |
| 00:19.03 | oGMo | i love the chillout station |
| 00:19.12 | absentia | what's that station ? |
| 00:19.15 | Foxdie | it's got music for anyone that likes a beat |
| 00:19.20 | Foxdie | also has jazz and classical |
| 00:19.26 | absentia | I need to find the hardest rock I can... |
| 00:19.38 | Foxdie | absentia: XRM radio? |
| 00:19.46 | offroadgeek | brb |
| 00:19.52 | oGMo | wtf, the only distributer is in south africa? cripe |
| 00:20.01 | Foxdie | South Africa? |
| 00:20.03 | treke | U gate trying to find an email I sent out sometime lat year |
| 00:20.09 | oGMo | oh, nm |
| 00:20.09 | Foxdie | That's unbelievable |
| 00:20.10 | treke | I hate |
| 00:20.16 | oGMo | it was just the default, how silly |
| 00:20.31 | Foxdie | treke: you're rich, just rent a slave |
| 00:20.36 | Foxdie | and get him / her to do it |
| 00:20.36 | treke | ja |
| 00:20.37 | treke | ha |
| 00:20.39 | absentia | ha |
| 00:20.48 | oGMo | "rent" a slave? ;) |
| 00:20.50 | Foxdie | And trust me slave rental is genuine. |
| 00:21.19 | Foxdie | People sign contracts to become a slave either to be sold on when trained or rented out |
| 00:21.27 | oGMo | sure enough, epia-me6000 bundle $123 |
| 00:21.33 | Foxdie | (I can't say anymore, not allowed to give things away). |
| 00:21.34 | absentia | ah!! |
| 00:21.45 | absentia | the cf doesn't have an msdos partition table... or something... |
| 00:21.52 | kergoth | create one |
| 00:21.55 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:21.57 | Foxdie | msdos.fsck :D |
| 00:22.08 | Foxdie | aka dosfsck |
| 00:22.08 | absentia | I can mount it fine on freebsd, but fdisk is trying to interpret data for something else as a partition table or something |
| 00:22.09 | kergoth | Foxdie: um, fsck fixes filesystems |
| 00:22.22 | kergoth | partition table != fs |
| 00:22.26 | treke | I give up. ogmo is on his own |
| 00:22.26 | absentia | ya, I know. point is, I did msdos formats on this thing.. and it's this f'd up |
| 00:22.28 | Foxdie | I thought it was the format command also? I haven't used it yet |
| 00:22.48 | kergoth | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda |
| 00:22.51 | kergoth | fdisk /dev/hda |
| 00:22.54 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:22.55 | absentia | yup |
| 00:22.57 | Foxdie | I am thinking of formatting my only CF card as EXT2 but I'm not sure if the Z can boot from anything than a FAT16 formatted CF card |
| 00:23.24 | George- | the Z doesn't boot from CF. |
| 00:24.13 | Foxdie | I believe it does, how does the X11 ROM boot to a text menu when you try and flash it? |
| 00:24.30 | Foxdie | basically I think going into the flashing menu just sets which device to boot from |
| 00:24.30 | kergoth | Foxdie: that uses an internal linux kernel to run a shell script on the card |
| 00:24.38 | kergoth | Foxdie: thats only during the flash process, not during normal operation |
| 00:24.42 | kergoth | Foxdie: and as its linux, it can use whatever fs.. |
| 00:24.44 | Foxdie | well thats true I guess |
| 00:24.50 | kergoth | not i guess, it is. |
| 00:24.53 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:25.05 | Foxdie | So I could format the CF card as EXT2 and not worry about flashing? whoopee ^_^ |
| 00:25.08 | treke | kergoth: I tried makeself, couldnt get it to work for flashing :( |
| 00:25.20 | kergoth | treke: eh, dont tell me they didnt enable ext2 on the flash kernel |
| 00:25.24 | kergoth | thatd be incredibly fucking stupid |
| 00:25.25 | kergoth | even for sharp |
| 00:25.33 | treke | not at all related |
| 00:25.36 | treke | though I wouldnt be surprised |
| 00:25.39 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:25.51 | kergoth | oh, k |
| 00:25.53 | treke | makeself is the app that creates self extracting installers :) |
| 00:25.57 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 00:26.24 | treke | enc.sh doesnt seem to be trashing the data, but it may be an endianness problem |
| 00:26.31 | kergoth | hmm |
| 00:26.41 | kergoth | maybe we'll need two files, the "rom" and the updater.sh |
| 00:26.50 | kergoth | the "rom" being like sharp's romimage, a set of files and a header |
| 00:27.03 | George- | kergoth: can you donate me a new battery for my Zaurus? |
| 00:27.09 | kergoth | George-: fuck that |
| 00:27.14 | kergoth | i have 12k in credit card debt |
| 00:27.15 | George- | ;) |
| 00:27.19 | George- | woot |
| 00:27.21 | George- | how? |
| 00:27.27 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:27.32 | kergoth | absentia: :) |
| 00:27.34 | George- | then again, my dad has about 250k in debt |
| 00:27.45 | absentia | I have a million+ lawyer bill |
| 00:28.00 | George- | oh yeh? I have a billion+ laywer bill! |
| 00:28.06 | kergoth | ~whaleslap George- |
| 00:28.10 | | ACTION slaps George- upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 00:28.16 | George- | ROFL |
| 00:28.18 | George- | who the hell wrote that?!?! |
| 00:28.23 | George- | ~factstats whaleslap |
| 00:28.24 | *** part/#zaurus asys3 (~uwe@dsl-082-082-155-033.arcor-ip.net) |
| 00:28.27 | absentia | peace [117]> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad4 bs=4096 |
| 00:28.27 | absentia | dd: /dev/ad4: end of device |
| 00:28.27 | absentia | 31489+0 records in |
| 00:28.27 | absentia | 31488+0 records out |
| 00:28.27 | absentia | 128974848 bytes transferred in 140.737259 secs (916423 bytes/sec) |
| 00:28.34 | kergoth | George-: it isnt 'whaleslap' |
| 00:28.44 | kergoth | ~listkeys whale |
| 00:29.06 | kergoth | ~factstats whaleslap (.*?) |
| 00:29.09 | kergoth | hmm |
| 00:29.15 | kergoth | ~listkeys whaleslap |
| 00:29.24 | kergoth | ~factstats "whaleslap (.*?)" |
| 00:29.32 | kergoth | ~factstats whaleslap (.*\?) |
| 00:29.37 | kergoth | damnit |
| 00:29.42 | kergoth | ~literal whaleslap (.*?) |
| 00:29.45 | | ACTION slaps (.*?) upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 00:29.49 | kergoth | ~literal "whaleslap (.*?)" |
| 00:30.10 | kergoth | hmm |
| 00:30.20 | George- | ROFL |
| 00:30.35 | George- | kergoth vs ibot - round 2 |
| 00:31.20 | kergoth | bah, i'll just ask tim what the syntax was again |
| 00:31.32 | kergoth | its something like that, that way you can make it forget CMD's |
| 00:31.36 | kergoth | or alter them |
| 00:31.57 | absentia | ibot EAT yourself. |
| 00:32.00 | | ACTION eats yourself. and falls over dead |
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| 00:32.34 | absentia | ibot eat kergoth |
| 00:32.37 | | ACTION eats kergoth and falls over dead |
| 00:32.39 | treke | ibot die |
| 00:32.40 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 00:32.50 | absentia | ibot bitrot into obscurity |
| 00:32.51 | | absentia: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 00:33.35 | kergoth | hm, i should go home, call interquest to bitch about my nonexistant internet connectivity, then come back to work where i have connectivity |
| 00:33.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:34.07 | treke | call them from work. |
| 00:34.18 | kergoth | they want me to "diagnose" |
| 00:34.31 | kergoth | e.g. "plug it into a different cable plug on your wall, does it work now?" |
| 00:36.37 | absentia | and help me do oemake |
| 00:36.39 | absentia | dammit |
| 00:37.31 | oGMo | treke: hehe thats ok, thanks for checking though |
| 00:39.03 | treke | it was pretty similar to that via |
| 00:39.45 | kergoth | oGMo: what are ya going to use that lil box for? |
| 00:40.02 | oGMo | kergoth: i've got a midi sequencer in ruby i'm working on |
| 00:40.11 | kergoth | ah |
| 00:40.30 | oGMo | kergoth: mostly i want a midi sequencer ... i should be able to sell it, esp. with the nifty things you can do with it |
| 00:40.54 | oGMo | but with that board i may be able to do even more stuff, maybe incorporate some softsynth and audio processing |
| 00:43.44 | kergoth | i want a little box to function only for audio/video streaming to/from devices on my network, into the entertainment system |
| 00:44.14 | kergoth | treke: get anywhere with that yet? |
| 00:44.20 | kergoth | heh, mine's still collecting dust |
| 00:44.31 | oGMo | kergoth: i was just thinking this might work great for a PVR too |
| 00:44.34 | treke | I havent bought the stuff to do that |
| 00:44.36 | kergoth | with no net, i cant install debian over the network, and my laptop doesnt have a burner |
| 00:44.40 | oGMo | i dunno if it's fast enough for emulation |
| 00:44.49 | oGMo | but it's got a PCI slot, you could stick a wintv-pvr card in there and boom |
| 00:44.52 | treke | pvr takes some serious hourse power though |
| 00:44.54 | oGMo | no CPU needed |
| 00:44.56 | oGMo | treke: nope |
| 00:45.07 | oGMo | the wintv card does everything but decoding |
| 00:45.07 | treke | oGMo: still needs to be able to do playback |
| 00:45.14 | oGMo | that box should be fast enough for a little mpeg-2 |
| 00:45.22 | treke | oGMo: I dont recall that being the case when i looked into it |
| 00:45.27 | oGMo | it's not like you need 5mbit 640x480 for TV ;) |
| 00:45.45 | treke | it looked like even with the wintv card, you still need around a p3 600+ to pull it off |
| 00:45.48 | oGMo | treke: my p2-350 played mpeg2 at like 40% CPU |
| 00:45.58 | oGMo | treke: this has an onboard mpeg-2 decoder |
| 00:46.04 | Foxdie | lol treke |
| 00:46.05 | Foxdie | CPU: 1-Intel Pentium III, 513MHz, 512KB |
| 00:46.08 | Foxdie | this machine did it fine |
| 00:46.16 | absentia | I'm torn |
| 00:46.17 | oGMo | the dev kit is linux, so |
| 00:46.35 | Foxdie | tv card fried |
| 00:46.38 | absentia | which storage org makes more sense... collecting files by theme type... such as cacko, oz, tkc, sharp... |
| 00:46.39 | Foxdie | I was gutted :( |
| 00:46.46 | absentia | or by model number, like 5600 7x0 ? |
| 00:47.12 | absentia | I think by machine |
| 00:47.14 | absentia | (still) |
| 00:50.29 | kergoth | heh, doesnt x already have accessibility stuff for that? |
| 00:50.37 | treke | yup |
| 00:50.37 | Foxdie | nuh. |
| 00:50.39 | Foxdie | not by default |
| 00:50.57 | treke | you just need a key bound to trigger it. |
| 00:51.05 | treke | it's shift numlock by default |
| 00:51.20 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.30 | absentia | sheesh |
| 00:51.43 | Foxdie | which ones numlock? I haven't seen it yet |
| 00:51.49 | Foxdie | thats a long path x.x |
| 00:52.17 | treke | I didnt say the zaurus had a numlock key |
| 00:52.32 | Foxdie | there's a shortcut to it |
| 00:52.32 | treke | I said xfree86 already has support for what you want, you just need to map appropriate keys to it |
| 00:52.39 | absentia | scottyelich [163]> cd |
| 00:52.39 | absentia | scottyelich [164]> pwd |
| 00:52.40 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.44 | absentia | that's my home dir path. |
| 00:52.56 | absentia | cd /cds/current/cd-home |
| 00:52.59 | Foxdie | YOUR scottyelich? |
| 00:53.05 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:53.07 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:53.09 | absentia | <-- me |
| 00:53.18 | absentia | (you're) |
| 00:53.19 | Foxdie | ahh heya |
| 00:53.30 | Foxdie | Yes I know, I was just too lazy to correct myself. |
| 00:53.35 | absentia | I thought you'd get it when I was razzin' ya 'bout the avatar here. |
| 00:53.46 | Foxdie | Well there's 1200+ members on the ZUG |
| 00:53.54 | absentia | ya, I went to angrypeoplerule ... and the guy did it on his front page, I decided not to flame him... seems I'm angrier than he is. |
| 00:53.54 | Foxdie | The rest you can figure out :) |
| 00:54.06 | absentia | hehe |
| 00:54.18 | Foxdie | You should be glad I made my avatar smaller for you :P |
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| 00:54.29 | absentia | the only issue with having 3 zaurii is that my storage reqs are up by 3 |
| 00:54.34 | absentia | 3x |
| 00:54.41 | absentia | fox: yes, I thanked you here... |
| 00:54.53 | treke | the c760 has a backup battery? |
| 00:54.59 | absentia | I was gonna ask if you could put it to the left or right of the text, but I figured that would be pushin' it a little. |
| 00:55.24 | oGMo | doh |
| 00:55.34 | oGMo | 3.10 doesn't use xml |
| 00:55.40 | oGMo | and abook can't import it :( ;) |
| 00:55.53 | Foxdie | yes it does treke |
| 00:56.06 | treke | gee, that's nice and useless :) |
| 00:56.11 | Foxdie | a little nickle cadmium one built inside |
| 00:56.29 | Foxdie | basically keeps the RAM powered when you suspend the unit, so it doesn't draw too much from the main battery. |
| 00:56.38 | Foxdie | also to keep the RAM powered when you exchange batteries. |
| 00:56.56 | Foxdie | absentia: unfortunately the signature code does not allow tables :/ |
| 00:57.01 | Foxdie | I thought about it though. |
| 00:57.10 | treke | the main battery can supply juice when it's suspended |
| 00:57.15 | absentia | just align = left or align=right in the im tag |
| 00:57.21 | absentia | html browsers will do the rest |
| 00:57.23 | Foxdie | heh I'll try it. |
| 00:57.42 | oGMo | er |
| 00:57.42 | Foxdie | treke: some people are lazy. |
| 00:57.51 | Foxdie | sup oGMo? |
| 00:57.52 | oGMo | something still needs to keep the ram refreshed |
| 00:58.01 | oGMo | otherwise it's not rebooting, it's completely wiping ;) |
| 00:58.13 | treke | oGMo: There is nothing of value in ram |
| 00:58.19 | treke | temporary data only |
| 00:58.19 | absentia | has anyone run any benchmarks to see if gcc3 is really giving any performance boost for xscale ? |
| 00:58.34 | oGMo | oh, the C series stores stuff in flash? |
| 00:58.37 | oGMo | well |
| 00:58.37 | Foxdie | absentia: nope, won't work, it's [IMG] not <IMG> that the forum signatures work with. Too much possibility to hack the board with <IMG> anyway |
| 00:58.50 | oGMo | still, if you're in a meeting or something... *shrug* ;) |
| 00:58.59 | absentia | k |
| 00:59.18 | treke | absentia: probably not, it's a bit obvious though :) |
| 00:59.34 | absentia | what's the rationale behind ipks.tar vs individual files in the ipk dir? |
| 00:59.38 | Foxdie | for example if you posted an image that linked to blahsite.com/user.php?op=logout then it'd log everyone out whenever they read that post |
| 00:59.42 | oGMo | i just want a box with 802.11b, BT, 2 CF slots, a clamshell/swivel design, 800x600 resolution, and lasts 12 hours at maximum usage on a single battery |
| 00:59.45 | absentia | treke: obvious, in what way? |
| 00:59.49 | oGMo | is this too much to ask?! |
| 00:59.49 | oGMo | ;) |
| 01:00.06 | Foxdie | oGMo: *COUGHS AND LAUGHS* |
| 01:00.06 | absentia | fox: so the code should check/strip that.. easy. |
| 01:00.23 | absentia | ogmo; many laptops offer that. |
| 01:00.36 | oGMo | Foxdie: it's funny though, in 5-10 years we'll probably look at that design and laugh at how naively underpowered it is |
| 01:00.44 | oGMo | absentia: ... |
| 01:00.51 | absentia | yes, I was thinkign about that |
| 01:00.52 | oGMo | absentia: i haven't seen any laptop last 12 hours on a batter ;) |
| 01:00.54 | oGMo | + |
| 01:01.02 | absentia | the power of the 760 should not be under estimated. |
| 01:01.09 | absentia | ogm0: power cells, they're coming. |
| 01:01.29 | oGMo | they've been coming for 5 years, wake me up when they're here ;) |
| 01:01.37 | absentia | get a laptop with two battery slots... and you can swap out, etc. |
| 01:01.41 | oGMo | not that i don't look forward |
| 01:02.08 | oGMo | absentia: i want something subnote sized though... i know a lot of people don't, but for what i do it's more convenient |
| 01:02.23 | absentia | ah |
| 01:02.28 | absentia | zaurus 7x0 does it for me now... |
| 01:02.32 | absentia | I'm happy |
| 01:02.42 | absentia | it would be awesome if bochs ran... or QEMU worked.... |
| 01:02.44 | oGMo | sony has some interesting looking stuff, btu it's not cheap |
| 01:02.49 | absentia | but I'm still thrilled. |
| 01:02.56 | Foxdie | my old VAIO C1VE used to last about 12 hours just playing MP3's and about 4~ hours on high usage. |
| 01:02.56 | oGMo | absentia: yeah i'd love one of those |
| 01:03.09 | Foxdie | I bought a quad-life battery pack for about $280 on ebay |
| 01:03.11 | oGMo | Foxdie: whoa that's pretty good |
| 01:03.22 | absentia | treke: I mean, killefiz stuff... gcc2... if you're looking at, say, a palm emulator... if you compiled with gcc2 vs gcc3 ... would you REALLY see a significant difference? |
| 01:04.19 | Foxdie | bah |
| 01:04.28 | Foxdie | IRC is like the worlds biggest distraction from work. |
| 01:05.00 | oGMo | but usenet can consume far more time |
| 01:05.10 | Foxdie | on one monitor I have an SSH open to my Z writing editing this script, on the other I have IRC, guess which one keeps getting all the attention? |
| 01:05.18 | oGMo | heehhe |
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| 01:06.56 | George- | ok |
| 01:06.59 | George- | bored. |
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| 01:08.07 | absentia | :-) |
| 01:08.16 | absentia | play the rubics cube applet ... |
| 01:08.25 | George- | sod off. |
| 01:09.36 | absentia | ok |
| 01:09.58 | absentia | the initrd... for poodle gcc3... is it initrd.bin or initrd-gcc3.bin ? ie: do I have to rename it? |
| 01:11.54 | George- | ljp: thanks :) |
| 01:12.23 | chouimat | ljp: George- is jalous because I will never be able to get a woman in his life |
| 01:12.27 | absentia | cool |
| 01:12.32 | absentia | I saw dasher in the oz ipk list fly by |
| 01:12.55 | George- | chouimat: correction, I DON'T WANT A WOMAN |
| 01:12.58 | George- | jeez, don't people UNDERSTAND? |
| 01:12.59 | smashie | the zaurus.com mirrors are so slow :\ like I sit on a 100 MBit/s line but its only downloading with ISDN speed |
| 01:13.00 | smashie | sucks |
| 01:13.09 | George- | They require _EFFORT_ |
| 01:13.16 | absentia | ok |
| 01:13.17 | absentia | no answer |
| 01:13.17 | chouimat | ok EVERYBODY George- JUST CONFIRMED THAT HE'S GAY! |
| 01:13.19 | absentia | I'll rename it |
| 01:13.20 | absentia | and try. |
| 01:13.21 | George- | I'm too LAZY |
| 01:13.27 | George- | And I'm ASEXUAL NOT GAY |
| 01:13.41 | Foxdie | bah George- has a point, everyone jumps to conclusions. |
| 01:14.00 | Foxdie | "oh I don't fancy women that much" "OMG HE'S A FAGGOT" |
| 01:14.06 | George- | rofl |
| 01:14.23 | George- | I lose enough productivity time through IRC... |
| 01:14.28 | chouimat | Foxdie: he's impolite with me for two years so I'm teasing him a little |
| 01:14.35 | George- | chouimat: FUCK OFF AND DIE!!!! |
| 01:14.47 | chouimat | see |
| 01:14.47 | George- | bloody franco canadians |
| 01:14.47 | George- | :D |
| 01:14.55 | chouimat | again |
| 01:15.06 | Foxdie | :D |
| 01:15.12 | Foxdie | You go George- |
| 01:15.27 | treke | yes, you go George-. |
| 01:15.30 | treke | straight to hell |
| 01:15.34 | George- | treke: hahaah |
| 01:15.35 | George- | ROFL |
| 01:15.44 | absentia | treke: do I need to rename initrd-gcc3.bin ti initrd.bin ? |
| 01:15.45 | Foxdie | Burrrrrrrn |
| 01:15.45 | treke | yes |
| 01:15.46 | absentia | I did ... so I hope so. |
| 01:15.47 | absentia | ok |
| 01:17.05 | treke | people like George- are the reason we through you out 220 years ago |
| 01:17.15 | absentia | haha |
| 01:17.21 | absentia | it's so neat to see the flash menus in english. |
| 01:17.38 | Disconnect | absentia: ..? |
| 01:17.39 | George- | treke: we left after we decided it was costing us too much money to attempt to control an uncivilised rabble :D |
| 01:17.42 | absentia | 5600 |
| 01:17.59 | treke | You are confusing us with the australians |
| 01:18.07 | Disconnect | absentia: ahhh |
| 01:18.40 | George- | treke: no I'm not, I'm exercising my right as a british citizen to tell lies about the americans to deface their public image and make ours better :) |
| 01:18.49 | treke | ah yeas. forgot that right |
| 01:18.55 | Disconnect | is that a right? I thought they'd made it into a mandatory law.. |
| 01:19.02 | George- | hehe |
| 01:19.27 | treke | no, that was the right to have comedies that aren't funny |
| 01:19.40 | George- | oiy |
| 01:19.46 | George- | Blackadder was brilliant |
| 01:19.53 | treke | I rest my case. |
| 01:19.53 | George- | as was Fawlty Towers |
| 01:20.01 | Foxdie | old classics |
| 01:20.15 | George- | and people like John Cleese, Stephen Fry, Hugh Laurie... |
| 01:20.25 | George- | Jeeves and Wooster... |
| 01:20.32 | George- | Foxdie: oh, that's funny shit :) |
| 01:20.34 | treke | john clease lives in Santa Barbara now, so he hardly counts |
| 01:20.40 | ljp | only thing good to come out of england is monty python and led zepplin |
| 01:20.48 | George- | oh yeh, and Monty Python |
| 01:21.11 | treke | one of the guys here at work does tech support for him :) |
| 01:21.31 | Disconnect | canadians make the best british comedy these days. |
| 01:21.47 | George- | rubbish |
| 01:22.14 | treke | canada is wierd. Everyone up there is polite |
| 01:22.42 | Disconnect | anyway. time to move the hdd to the backup box and get this one rebuilt. bbl. |
| 01:24.04 | absentia | zaurus tells me to press reset |
| 01:24.13 | absentia | is that the same as power off ? |
| 01:24.25 | Foxdie | reset it by removing all the power |
| 01:24.40 | Foxdie | unless you can reset by the menu if you're in the main OS |
| 01:24.51 | George- | absentia: well, the sooner you learn how to spell humour the better |
| 01:25.01 | ljp | Zwe will never forgive canada for celine dion |
| 01:25.09 | ljp | s/Z/ |
| 01:25.33 | absentia | I will endeavour to flavour my humour with better rancour. |
| 01:25.49 | ljp | too many "u"s |
| 01:26.03 | George- | http://www.jokesaround.com/j/3101.html <-- That's one of the funniest documents I've ever seen :) |
| 01:26.17 | absentia | the worst is the british referring to a singular target as a plural |
| 01:26.17 | absentia | the team were late |
| 01:26.26 | absentia | ibm were not at the show |
| 01:26.34 | George- | collective nouns. |
| 01:26.44 | absentia | ``I were a strippuh'' |
| 01:26.44 | absentia | ya |
| 01:27.01 | George- | yes, well that's just cockney stinking rubbish :) |
| 01:28.28 | treke | the only redeeming value of the british is that they arent italian |
| 01:30.02 | absentia | they they aren't french, any longer |
| 01:30.02 | absentia | :;-) |
| 01:33.20 | George- | the point is |
| 01:33.27 | George- | that a point |
| 01:33.28 | George- | is a point |
| 01:33.35 | George- | which has no point |
| 01:33.37 | George- | except to point |
| 01:34.14 | chouimat | George-: shaddap you prepubescent human being |
| 01:34.24 | George- | unless the point is to point |
| 01:34.28 | George- | at a point |
| 01:34.32 | George- | with a point |
| 01:34.46 | George- | anyway...... |
| 01:36.14 | ljp | weeeeee.. gnome bashing is fun |
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| 01:36.47 | George- | ljp: you pro-KDE and anti-GNOME? |
| 01:37.19 | Foxdie | Wish me all luck |
| 01:37.28 | Foxdie | I've just made big changes to a config file |
| 01:37.32 | George- | hah |
| 01:37.40 | Foxdie | :D |
| 01:37.46 | George- | sods law states it won't work. |
| 01:37.49 | George- | I bet you. |
| 01:37.59 | Foxdie | Indeed |
| 01:38.03 | chouimat | ljp: where? |
| 01:38.25 | ljp | how could I be anything different, I am highly biased for kde |
| 01:38.25 | Foxdie | It aos dictates that the damn thing won't boot to a point where I can restore a config file by SSH |
| 01:38.28 | ljp | on /. |
| 01:38.29 | Foxdie | aos = aslso |
| 01:38.32 | Foxdie | ALSO |
| 01:38.53 | Foxdie | well here's the test |
| 01:38.57 | Foxdie | dun dun duuuuun |
| 01:39.35 | Foxdie | HOLY SHIT BATMAN! IT WORKS! |
| 01:40.07 | Foxdie | well partially works |
| 01:40.17 | Foxdie | I have accurate cursor placement in X11 ROM NOW \o/ |
| 01:40.17 | George- | ljp: if you're highly bias for KDE, then I shall be compelled to like you.. even though you are american |
| 01:40.31 | Foxdie | OOOOOOH I could make love all night to a Zaurus |
| 01:40.45 | Foxdie | Although I probably wouldn't have much left of a crotch afterwards -_- |
| 01:40.45 | George- | Foxdie: wtf |
| 01:40.50 | ljp | george: you know I would for tt |
| 01:40.51 | Foxdie | :D |
| 01:40.57 | George- | Foxdie: TECHNOPHILE!!!! :) |
| 01:41.02 | George- | ljp: :) |
| 01:41.11 | ljp | s/would/work |
| 01:41.26 | Foxdie | oh crap |
| 01:41.28 | Foxdie | OH CRAP |
| 01:41.28 | George- | oh, btw - richard curtis is a brilliant comedy script writer |
| 01:41.32 | Foxdie | It didn't work |
| 01:41.35 | George- | and rowan atkinson is an outstanding actor |
| 01:41.39 | Foxdie | it locked up when I tried to click |
| 01:41.47 | Foxdie | ARSES. |
| 01:41.57 | George- | Foxdie: well, sod's law has to come into play at some time! |
| 01:42.12 | Foxdie | That's the truth George-. |
| 01:42.45 | kergoth | sod's law. is that like murphy's law? |
| 01:42.54 | George- | kergoth: no idea |
| 01:43.01 | George- | ibot sods law |
| 01:43.05 | | George-: are you using Windows? |
| 01:43.10 | Foxdie | kergoth: Sods law == murphys law |
| 01:43.10 | kergoth | Foxdie: k, figured |
| 01:43.10 | Foxdie | :) |
| 01:43.21 | Foxdie | ibot test |
| 01:43.25 | | Failed |
| 01:43.25 | George- | sod's law being that if something can go wrong, it will go wrong. |
| 01:43.41 | kergoth | chouimat: i miss having a 'fortune' bot |
| 01:43.52 | kergoth | chouimat: :) |
| 01:44.08 | chouimat | kergoth: ok maybe I will but it back soon ... |
| 01:44.13 | chouimat | kergoth: forwarded the email? |
| 01:45.23 | kergoth | chouimat: not yet, i'll do that now before i forget |
| 01:46.14 | chouimat | kergoth: btw the hitchhicker guide to the galaxy dvds are good :) |
| 01:46.15 | kergoth | nice |
| 01:46.38 | kergoth | chouimat: emailed the person in question to confirm that the positions are indeed still open, then i'll go from there |
| 01:46.51 | chouimat | kergoth: k |
| 01:47.14 | chouimat | kergoth: anyway the person is probably leaving soon for xmas :) |
| 01:47.19 | kergoth | probably |
| 01:47.19 | ljp | positions? |
| 01:47.29 | kergoth | ljp: TI has a few more embedded positions open |
| 01:47.44 | kergoth | ljp: i was asked to post them on openzaurus.org and check around with my contacts for anyone who wants to apply |
| 01:47.45 | ljp | i knew that |
| 01:47.52 | kergoth | forgot to post them though |
| 01:47.52 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:47.56 | ljp | cool |
| 01:48.21 | kergoth | so i'm finally getting internet and tv back |
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| 01:48.39 | kergoth | internet this monday, directv a week from monday |
| 01:48.39 | chouimat | kergoth: like I forgot to pay my phone last month ... 200cad |
| 01:48.41 | ljp | ya, suddenly TT needs one qtopia developer |
| 01:48.42 | kergoth | chouimat: ouch |
| 01:48.51 | chouimat | kergoth: 2 months ... |
| 01:48.57 | kergoth | ljp: find any prospects for the position yet? |
| 01:49.12 | kergoth | i'm like 3 weeks late on my mortgage. bleh. |
| 01:49.23 | ljp | they havent really started looking, he only turned in resignation on thursday |
| 01:49.31 | kergoth | oh okay |
| 01:49.50 | kergoth | you'd think thered be opie devs looking for something |
| 01:50.15 | chouimat | ljp: still have my resume? |
| 01:50.17 | ljp | ya, but the one big factor is moving to .au |
| 01:50.23 | kergoth | true |
| 01:50.43 | kergoth | shit, i'd move there in a heartbeat myself, were i them |
| 01:50.48 | kergoth | course i dont have family and shit to move with |
| 01:50.53 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:50.56 | ljp | me either |
| 01:51.17 | ljp | but I am sstill waiting for my frickin visa |
| 01:51.22 | kergoth | still? damn |
| 01:52.13 | ljp | ya, I had to have a phone call to convince my imm agent that there was no way possible for anyone to have 5 years revelent experience in qtopia stuff |
| 01:52.53 | kergoth | heh, even people that were using old as dirt qtopia on ipaq wouldnt have that much exp |
| 01:53.44 | Foxdie | oh god I'm turning geekier every day, It's like 2AM and I refuse to go to sleep until I fix one line of code :( |
| 01:53.53 | kergoth | Foxdie: heh. i hate that |
| 01:54.00 | chouimat | kergoth: true ... i found a linux job here and they seek some one with 30 years of exp on it ... |
| 01:54.01 | George- | nite all |
| 01:54.04 | kergoth | i cant stand leaving something broken |
| 01:54.07 | kergoth | chouimat: hah |
| 01:54.08 | Foxdie | night young'un |
| 01:54.08 | George- | it's 2am and I need to be up at 8 |
| 01:54.10 | George- | cya |
| 01:54.20 | Foxdie | at 8 on a saturday?! |
| 01:54.25 | chouimat | George-: have fun with your pablum tomorroe |
| 01:54.39 | chouimat | ljp: pay is good? |
| 01:55.03 | ljp | ya, I suppose. probably based in experience |
| 01:55.16 | ljp | not as good as TI |
| 01:55.33 | chouimat | ljp: look it's way better than what I'm doing here |
| 01:55.45 | ljp | I think the email is jobs @ tt |
| 01:55.54 | kergoth | http://education.ti.com/us/about/careers/linuxosdev.html is the position i just got |
| 01:55.57 | ljp | no announcement on the site yet |
| 01:56.39 | chouimat | ljp: I can send you my current resume so you can forward it when it's official :) |
| 01:57.04 | ljp | haha-> Documentation for associated S/W |
| 01:57.13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:57.15 | ljp | sure |
| 01:57.17 | kergoth | hey, i wrote docs here |
| 01:57.19 | kergoth | man pages n stuff |
| 01:57.34 | chouimat | kergoth: it's the one I applied on? |
| 01:57.40 | ljp | I got the oslo devs to get a qmake man page |
| 01:57.56 | kergoth | chouimat: nope, thats the position that i have :) |
| 01:58.02 | kergoth | there are other positions open |
| 01:58.04 | chouimat | kergoth: ok ... |
| 01:58.11 | kergoth | e.g. http://education.ti.com/us/about/careers/linux.html |
| 01:58.18 | kergoth | ljp: nice |
| 01:58.42 | chouimat | kergoth: connectivity is nice too ;) |
| 01:58.50 | kergoth | yeah |
| 01:58.57 | kergoth | theres the solutions one as well |
| 01:59.07 | kergoth | though thats more java stuff |
| 01:59.18 | chouimat | the team leader too but I don't want it |
| 01:59.18 | kergoth | wonder if Twiun[Zzzzz]'s looking to move to tx. hehe. |
| 02:00.28 | kergoth | heh, i wouldnt be qualified for the lead position, i have -zero- management experience |
| 02:00.47 | chouimat | kergoth: six month with a 3 guys team |
| 02:00.53 | ljp | I thought that was Tim's job |
| 02:01.14 | kergoth | heh, tim's alot farther up than that |
| 02:01.44 | ljp | ahh |
| 02:02.53 | chouimat | brb need something to drink |
| 02:03.03 | ljp | oh, you mean lead developer |
| 02:03.08 | kergoth | yeah |
| 02:03.14 | ljp | hehehee |
| 02:03.33 | kergoth | heheh |
| 02:03.40 | kergoth | bleh, bored |
| 02:04.19 | chouimat | kergoth: there is a band doing metallica cover here tonight so maybe I will go see them ... the band is called Alcoholica |
| 02:04.27 | kergoth | hah, nice name |
| 02:04.55 | chouimat | just hope they will song from the first 4 albums ... the rest is crap |
| 02:05.07 | kergoth | hah, agreed |
| 02:05.10 | kergoth | s/hah/heh/ |
| 02:05.53 | chouimat | kergoth: and at 5.50cad for 2 beers ... |
| 02:07.01 | chouimat | coool a movie with Kylie Ireland tonight |
| 02:09.36 | chouimat | kergoth: liked the Apocalyptica video I sent you? |
| 02:10.07 | kergoth | yeah, very good |
| 02:11.28 | chouimat | kergoth: I got the mp3 |
| 02:12.22 | kergoth | i want to get my net back, then bring my ftp site back up |
| 02:12.25 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:13.00 | chouimat | currently downloading anothe video :) |
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| 03:02.54 | absentia | http://www.bargainpda.com/default.asp?newsID=1745 |
| 03:06.01 | chouimat | nice |
| 03:08.38 | absentia | kergoth, you still around ? |
| 03:08.58 | kergoth | yeah |
| 03:09.07 | absentia | I have oz 3.3.5 on 5600 |
| 03:09.13 | absentia | I get a lot of text output on the screen |
| 03:09.17 | absentia | is that normal ? |
| 03:09.40 | kergoth | yeah, mickey left console=tty0 instead of setting it to null the way i do in my releases |
| 03:09.43 | absentia | lots of ts stuff, etc. |
| 03:09.44 | absentia | ah. |
| 03:09.58 | kergoth | echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/printk to shut it up |
| 03:09.58 | absentia | can I change that? or just wait until next revision ? |
| 03:10.03 | absentia | tkx |
| 03:10.06 | kergoth | np |
| 03:10.28 | absentia | this looks good, tough |
| 03:10.31 | absentia | I'll give it a thorough thrashing. |
| 03:13.12 | Disconnect | absentia: just stick that in /etc/init.d/opie |
| 03:13.55 | absentia | ok |
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| 03:19.39 | absentia | that didn't stop the output |
| 03:19.53 | kergoth | works fine for everyone else. |
| 03:19.57 | kergoth | its not permanent. |
| 03:20.00 | kergoth | every reboot, you have to do that |
| 03:20.15 | absentia | hmm |
| 03:20.15 | absentia | ok |
| 03:20.32 | absentia | echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/printk |
| 03:20.37 | absentia | I'll pull the battery out and test. |
| 03:20.40 | absentia | I put it as the last line in /etc/init.d/opie |
| 03:21.23 | kergoth | eh, you should put it *before* the startup script calls qpe or opie-login |
| 03:21.31 | kergoth | otherwise you'll get messages overwriting opie |
| 03:21.47 | absentia | as long as they stop |
| 03:21.54 | absentia | that's acceptable |
| 03:24.54 | absentia | still get ts output to the screen |
| 03:24.58 | absentia | I'll just live with it. |
| 03:25.05 | absentia | this is amazingly fast... though. |
| 03:25.36 | kergoth | absentia: put the echo in the *beginning* of /etc/init.d/opie, not the end |
| 03:25.55 | kergoth | yeah, opie's improved quite a bit. pulled in a bunch of stuff from qtopia 1.7 |
| 03:26.22 | absentia | well, if I do it at all, the output stould stop all together, right ? |
| 03:26.27 | absentia | but even if I do it manually, I still get output. |
| 03:26.37 | absentia | anyway, I'll play with it, it's not too annoying yet that I can't deal. |
| 03:26.45 | absentia | I'm really impressed with the speed! |
| 03:26.49 | absentia | thanks again! |
| 03:27.24 | Pendalar | can't believe you are wasting time on a 5600 when you have a c760 |
| 03:28.08 | kergoth | absentia: it doesnt help you if it only gets run after opie exits. the startup script never quits, it stays running so tha tthe getty in the inittab isnt started until opie quits |
| 03:28.18 | kergoth | absentia: move it before the call of opie-login or qpe |
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| 04:09.31 | enginuitor | Man, my toes bleed a lot |
| 04:09.35 | enginuitor | Fact of the day |
| 04:11.20 | enginuitor | ... |
| 04:11.23 | enginuitor | Moving right along... |
| 04:11.45 | enginuitor | Has anybody else noticed that the WiFi support (Prism2) is really unstable in OpenZaurus 3.3.5? |
| 04:11.50 | enginuitor | Never tried the other versions... |
| 04:12.16 | enginuitor | But after about 1-5 minutes or so of use, my card seems to go crazy |
| 04:12.41 | Disconnect | socket is stable enough for me. heavy-heavy use can lock the Z, especially if its also heavy use of the sd.. |
| 04:12.58 | Pendalar | a good hint : never try the unstable/beta build as your first version and expect happy things |
| 04:13.02 | enginuitor | lol |
| 04:13.07 | Disconnect | well yeah ;) |
| 04:13.12 | enginuitor | But they have moved it to "testing" now... |
| 04:13.18 | enginuitor | lol |
| 04:13.21 | Pendalar | 3.3.5 is promising and all, but stick to stable if you want thing sto work |
| 04:13.57 | Disconnect | well that and the standard "this is gcc3" blurb |
| 04:14.09 | Pendalar | you are just never happy |
| 04:14.17 | enginuitor | Anyway, what happens is... |
| 04:15.13 | enginuitor | After 1-5 minutes, the card starts blinking, then goes solid, then blinks, then goes solid... while the Z becomes very unresponsive and the taskbar applet switches back and forth from the "no card" symbol to a signal meter |
| 04:15.30 | enginuitor | I have to pull the card and re-insert to make it work again |
| 04:15.39 | Disconnect | enginuitor: type 'dmesg' and see what it lists |
| 04:15.53 | enginuitor | And of course, with 3.3.5's buggy pcmcia support, sometimes I have to reboot |
| 04:16.01 | Pendalar | and ensure that the connection isn't lost between the WAP and the router if it's setup like that |
| 04:16.08 | enginuitor | And sometimes a reboot isn't enough either... I have to press the button on the back |
| 04:16.22 | enginuitor | I'm sitting next to the AP here |
| 04:16.24 | _Bala_ | with 3.3.5 everytime i ejected a CF card the driver would crash... and i wouldnt be able to use the slot till i reboot... |
| 04:16.26 | Pendalar | a lot of people kill the firmware in a WAP and the WAP can't hold the connection to the Router |
| 04:16.27 | Disconnect | enginuitor: and OZ problems are still really arch-dependent... |
| 04:16.38 | Pendalar | has little to do with the wifi card sometimes |
| 04:16.47 | enginuitor | I know it's not the card... |
| 04:17.01 | enginuitor | It's basically a generic prism2 reference card... |
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| 04:17.05 | enginuitor | no brand or anything |
| 04:17.14 | enginuitor | but well-made |
| 04:17.35 | enginuitor | Anyway, it works fine in my laptop |
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| 04:17.56 | Pendalar | sounds like an issue with dust mites |
| 04:18.03 | Pendalar | j/k |
| 04:18.07 | enginuitor | :p |
| 04:18.07 | gerrynjr|zaurus | damn... |
| 04:18.17 | Pendalar | have to bug gerrynjr every now and then |
| 04:18.25 | gerrynjr|zaurus | screw all the other media players... |
| 04:18.30 | enginuitor | Here's another thing that bugs the heck outta me... |
| 04:18.44 | Disconnect | gerrynjr|zaurus: you found one that works? |
| 04:18.44 | gerrynjr|zaurus | console mplayer rocks |
| 04:18.50 | Pendalar | enginuitor: you really ought to try the stable version and see if the card works there |
| 04:18.58 | Disconnect | gerrynjr|zaurus: what platform? |
| 04:19.03 | enginuitor | gerrynjr|zaurus: totally |
| 04:19.06 | gerrynjr|zaurus | 5500 |
| 04:19.09 | Disconnect | ahh |
| 04:19.12 | Pendalar | console anything rocks, dunno why you people need gui |
| 04:19.16 | enginuitor | It plays video really well |
| 04:19.19 | enginuitor | Although... |
| 04:19.23 | enginuitor | It screws up the display |
| 04:19.29 | gerrynjr|zaurus | i prefer audio |
| 04:19.48 | enginuitor | It doesn't redraw... but that's okay |
| 04:19.58 | Disconnect | enginuitor: rotate is the easiest way to get it back. |
| 04:20.00 | gerrynjr|zaurus | as for mites... |
| 04:20.05 | enginuitor | yup |
| 04:20.05 | Disconnect | although I suspect a suspend/resume will do it too. |
| 04:20.08 | gerrynjr|zaurus | still nonexistant |
| 04:20.13 | Pendalar | it's all about the mites |
| 04:20.20 | enginuitor | That's exactly what I do... just rotate it and then back again |
| 04:20.22 | Pendalar | if you can't figure it out, blame the mites |
| 04:20.36 | enginuitor | Maybe they caused this rattle that has developed in my Z? |
| 04:20.39 | gerrynjr|zaurus | im hating qpe though... i just want my virtual terminals again! |
| 04:20.56 | gerrynjr|zaurus | enginuitor you have mites? |
| 04:21.02 | Pendalar | enginuitor: seriously to save time try the old build for just a few minutes |
| 04:21.11 | enginuitor | allrighty... |
| 04:21.14 | Pendalar | if it works at all it will work there |
| 04:21.20 | enginuitor | as long as I've just flashed away everything... |
| 04:21.28 | Pendalar | I can't provide any help to you with a no name card |
| 04:21.28 | enginuitor | No harm in flashing it again... |
| 04:21.42 | gerrynjr|zaurus | hmm bad card? |
| 04:21.49 | Pendalar | any prism2 card should work, but depending on how it's ID'd and what not... |
| 04:21.56 | gerrynjr|zaurus | oh.. |
| 04:22.04 | gerrynjr|zaurus | i thought it was cf ram |
| 04:22.13 | gerrynjr|zaurus | i use dlink... |
| 04:22.23 | gerrynjr|zaurus | but..it sucks battery bigtime |
| 04:22.33 | Pendalar | not as bad as the linksys wcf11 ;-) |
| 04:22.33 | enginuitor | cardctl names the Intersil chip, no brand name |
| 04:22.43 | enginuitor | Pretty much a straight generic-brand Prism2 |
| 04:22.44 | Pendalar | I think it's offically the biggest battery hog wifi CF |
| 04:23.00 | gerrynjr|zaurus | pendalar dlink is second |
| 04:23.05 | enginuitor | What I do like about the WiFi applet though... |
| 04:23.22 | enginuitor | Is that you can set the signal graph to update in real-time (like 10 times a second)... |
| 04:23.32 | gerrynjr|zaurus | thats bad |
| 04:23.38 | enginuitor | Not for normal use... |
| 04:23.41 | gerrynjr|zaurus | massive cpu usage there |
| 04:23.46 | Pendalar | graphs just bug me |
| 04:23.58 | gerrynjr|zaurus | now... |
| 04:23.58 | Pendalar | I mean I notice when my ssh sessions die |
| 04:24.04 | Pendalar | etc |
| 04:24.04 | gerrynjr|zaurus | to get nmap.. |
| 04:24.22 | gerrynjr|zaurus | and my other network analysis tools |
| 04:24.37 | enginuitor | This is something that I would just pull up and look at once in a while... I don't leave it running at 10 samples/sec... |
| 04:24.55 | gerrynjr|zaurus | kismet doesnt like the card ;( |
| 04:25.36 | enginuitor | It's neat to see a real-time display of the signal strength, although it would be nice to have the noise floor on there too... |
| 04:25.54 | enginuitor | I use it when I'm playing with tin foil on my antenna :) |
| 04:26.02 | gerrynjr|zaurus | lmao.... |
| 04:26.21 | gerrynjr|zaurus | ive got a pringles can on mine... |
| 04:26.28 | gerrynjr|zaurus | when im on campus.. |
| 04:26.38 | gerrynjr|zaurus | i leech access of the laww school |
| 04:26.44 | enginuitor | just placed over the antenna as a waveguide?... |
| 04:26.52 | gerrynjr|zaurus | from the inner park |
| 04:26.54 | Pendalar | so elite.. pringles can.. |
| 04:26.56 | enginuitor | Or an actual full-blown pringle-can antenna? |
| 04:27.08 | gerrynjr|zaurus | a full blown antennae |
| 04:27.13 | enginuitor | With like a helical element inside |
| 04:27.14 | enginuitor | ok |
| 04:27.15 | enginuitor | cool |
| 04:27.25 | enginuitor | I gotta get around to making one... |
| 04:27.31 | Pendalar | gerrynjr|zaurus: you know those lil circuit looking metal things they say to put between a cellphone and it's battery? |
| 04:27.38 | Pendalar | to increase signal strength |
| 04:27.39 | enginuitor | With 3 wifi cards I can afford to screw up a few times |
| 04:27.42 | gerrynjr|zaurus | yeah?? |
| 04:27.48 | Pendalar | would that work for wifi? |
| 04:27.52 | enginuitor | Pendalar: Those look like total bull to me |
| 04:27.54 | gerrynjr|zaurus | no clue |
| 04:27.54 | Pendalar | might be worth a shot |
| 04:28.07 | gerrynjr|zaurus | but.. i doubt they work to begin with |
| 04:28.08 | enginuitor | You meen the antenna boosters, or battery boosters? |
| 04:28.15 | enginuitor | They look similar |
| 04:28.21 | Pendalar | antenna but you usually put them internal |
| 04:28.30 | Pendalar | between the casing and batt |
| 04:28.53 | enginuitor | There are actually these idiotic things I saw on ebay that claim to increse battery life... |
| 04:29.00 | gerrynjr|zaurus | lmao |
| 04:29.07 | enginuitor | It's some sort of a self-adhesive thing you stick on the battery... |
| 04:29.11 | gerrynjr|zaurus | i need a fuel cell for tthis baby |
| 04:29.29 | enginuitor | Total, absolute bullsh** |
| 04:29.48 | gerrynjr|zaurus | yeah.. a big sticker saying... "i,m a dipshit" |
| 04:29.54 | Pendalar | well I'm just thinking even if it added 20 feet or so, it'd be worth it |
| 04:30.04 | Pendalar | and wouldn't be a huge freakin pringles can |
| 04:30.06 | Pendalar | =-/ |
| 04:30.42 | gerrynjr|zaurus | pendalar... the ladies think its cool |
| 04:30.43 | enginuitor | The cell phone antenna boosters are better than the battery boosters in that there is actually some scientific basis |
| 04:30.57 | gerrynjr|zaurus | lmao |
| 04:30.57 | enginuitor | in the theory |
| 04:30.58 | Pendalar | riiight |
| 04:30.58 | gerrynjr|zaurus | they do |
| 04:31.12 | Pendalar | mhm |
| 04:31.12 | enginuitor | Basically, it's a metal trace laminated in a sticker |
| 04:31.12 | Pendalar | you keep thinking that |
| 04:31.12 | gerrynjr|zaurus | i have the longest pringled can on campus |
| 04:31.15 | Pendalar | =-/ |
| 04:31.18 | enginuitor | Supposedly resonant at around 1.2ghz... |
| 04:31.22 | Pendalar | if you were at the colleges around here, you would get beat up a lot |
| 04:31.32 | gerrynjr|zaurus | not here |
| 04:31.44 | enginuitor | But for cell phones... it's not going to make any noticeable difference |
| 04:31.48 | gerrynjr|zaurus | i rig up the thing |
| 04:32.00 | enginuitor | My high school has complete WiFi coverage... |
| 04:32.03 | gerrynjr|zaurus | and the ladies walk by.. siot down.. chat ask questions... |
| 04:32.18 | enginuitor | And there's not a single student who knows what the hell WiFi is |
| 04:32.24 | Pendalar | gerrynjr|zaurus: I have to ponder if you are dillusional.. |
| 04:32.32 | gerrynjr|zaurus | thats the funny thing... |
| 04:32.35 | enginuitor | To them it's "wireless DSL" |
| 04:32.45 | gerrynjr|zaurus | put it this way.. |
| 04:32.49 | enginuitor | And when I'm checking my email... |
| 04:32.51 | gerrynjr|zaurus | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.56 | gerrynjr|zaurus | a guy said... |
| 04:33.14 | gerrynjr|zaurus | wioth this wireless... i can get it at home right? |
| 04:33.24 | gerrynjr|zaurus | i bursted out laughing |
| 04:33.47 | gerrynjr|zaurus | yep... |
| 04:33.56 | gerrynjr|zaurus | you can get it alright |
| 04:34.05 | enginuitor | Whoa, that's a cool "Palm Pilot". Does it have "wireless DSL?". Ooh, cool, you're doing that thing where you hack into the school's network and use there internet? |
| 04:34.12 | enginuitor | notice misspelling of "there" |
| 04:34.18 | gerrynjr|zaurus | if you live in a 300 ft range |
| 04:34.30 | enginuitor | That was intentional... representative of the people who say these kinds of things |
| 04:34.38 | gerrynjr|zaurus | yeah |
| 04:34.48 | enginuitor | "Can you put porn on it? |
| 04:34.49 | gerrynjr|zaurus | people are just not... |
| 04:34.57 | gerrynjr|zaurus | educated on these things |
| 04:35.00 | enginuitor | You would not believe how often I get that |
| 04:35.14 | gerrynjr|zaurus | of course you can! |
| 04:35.21 | gerrynjr|zaurus | er... yeah... |
| 04:35.36 | _Bala_ | hell you can fill up whole microdrive with porn for it... |
| 04:35.51 | enginuitor | I try to tell them that it is a miniaturized personal computer, and that it is capable of anything a normal computer can do, and it simply depends on what software you choose to write or install |
| 04:36.06 | enginuitor | And then they ask me if it can do word processing |
| 04:36.08 | enginuitor | gotta go |
| 04:36.12 | Pendalar | I just tell people I'm hacking the gibson |
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| 04:36.16 | enginuitor | lmao |
| 04:36.22 | gerrynjr|zaurus | i get "that linux thing runs on minicomputers too?" |
| 04:36.36 | Pendalar | then they run off trying to find police or something |
| 04:36.41 | gerrynjr|zaurus | little do they know what a "minicomputer" is |
| 04:36.42 | enginuitor | Yeah, everyone here thinks "Linex" is a corporation |
| 04:36.53 | Pendalar | no one I know locally has the foggiest idea what linux is |
| 04:37.06 | gerrynjr|zaurus | we have a linux lab at my uni... |
| 04:37.12 | enginuitor | now I really gotta go... |
| 04:37.12 | Pendalar | all the elite people use windows *laugh* |
| 04:37.15 | gerrynjr|zaurus | 5 dual xeon boxen... |
| 04:37.27 | gerrynjr|zaurus | all of them are clustered to do my bidding |
| 04:37.35 | gerrynjr|zaurus | bruhahahahahaaa |
| 04:37.38 | Pendalar | scary they allow you that much power |
| 04:37.45 | Pendalar | with your luck with dust mites and all |
| 04:37.48 | gerrynjr|zaurus | no one else is even in there |
| 04:37.53 | Pendalar | I'd be afraid they'd core.. |
| 04:38.37 | gerrynjr|zaurus | once you get a job maintaining boxen at IT... it just progresses from there i guess |
| 04:39.27 | gerrynjr|zaurus | damn... this z is getting warm... |
| 04:39.39 | gerrynjr|zaurus | its a heatplate! |
| 04:39.54 | warmi_ | that's cause you watching porn on it |
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| 04:40.02 | Pendalar | make it a water cooling system |
| 04:40.09 | Pendalar | or throw it in the freezer |
| 04:40.42 | warmi_ | another KDE vs GTK war at /. |
| 04:40.50 | gerrynjr|zaurus | warmi... no i dont |
| 04:41.03 | Captain-Obvious | gtk sucks |
| 04:41.10 | gerrynjr|zaurus | warmi this time its thanks to bruce parens |
| 04:41.19 | gerrynjr|zaurus | captain. qt blows |
| 04:41.24 | gerrynjr|zaurus | sorry... |
| 04:41.33 | gerrynjr|zaurus | im a gnome user... |
| 04:41.55 | Captain-Obvious | KDE r0x0rs |
| 04:42.06 | gerrynjr|zaurus | qt sucks |
| 04:42.22 | gerrynjr|zaurus | we are talking about toolkits, no? |
| 04:42.34 | Captain-Obvious | opie/qt sucks? |
| 04:42.52 | gerrynjr|zaurus | leave qt to the handhelds... |
| 04:43.07 | gerrynjr|zaurus | but most of the time, my z is running commandline apps |
| 04:43.49 | gerrynjr|zaurus | i dont like qtopia.... |
| 04:43.56 | gerrynjr|zaurus | its ok... |
| 04:44.07 | gerrynjr|zaurus | but i perefer console over it... |
| 04:44.12 | gerrynjr|zaurus | or gtk... |
| 04:44.32 | gerrynjr|zaurus | console over gtk as well.. |
| 04:44.39 | gerrynjr|zaurus | but thats a diff story |
| 04:44.42 | warmi_ | gtk is such a mess from programmers point of view , but hey , some people prefer old ways of doing thing |
| 04:44.44 | warmi_ | things even |
| 04:45.22 | gerrynjr|zaurus | kde/qt is a bloated mess |
| 04:45.29 | Pendalar | I use flux, screw you both ;-) |
| 04:45.36 | gerrynjr|zaurus | slow.. |
| 04:45.46 | Pendalar | although I want to play with ion eventually |
| 04:46.05 | gerrynjr|zaurus | flux/xfce/gnome/ion here |
| 04:46.08 | Pendalar | just to see what all it can do against what it promises |
| 04:46.17 | Pendalar | not at once I hope |
| 04:46.25 | gerrynjr|zaurus | nope. |
| 04:46.37 | gerrynjr|zaurus | occasionally, ill run windowmaker |
| 04:46.38 | Pendalar | some people would try that =-d |
| 04:46.54 | gerrynjr|zaurus | but.. kde is not even istalled here |
| 04:46.55 | Pendalar | you like ion? |
| 04:47.23 | gerrynjr|zaurus | its great for when minimalism is a need |
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| 04:47.42 | gerrynjr|zaurus | complete minimalism |
| 04:47.50 | Pendalar | I don't need minimal, but any speed improvements are welcome |
| 04:48.07 | gerrynjr|zaurus | spd comes as a result |
| 04:48.10 | warmi_ | you want speed then go for Win32 (XP,2000 ) etc |
| 04:48.23 | gerrynjr|zaurus | xfce 4 is bitchin |
| 04:48.29 | gerrynjr|zaurus | speed wise |
| 04:48.35 | gerrynjr|zaurus | warmi |
| 04:48.42 | gerrynjr|zaurus | no thanks |
| 04:48.56 | gerrynjr|zaurus | ill take my open souce *nix anyday over it |
| 04:48.59 | Pendalar | warmi_: =-[_] I just lost all respect for you |
| 04:49.07 | gerrynjr|zaurus | be it bsd, or linux |
| 04:49.22 | warmi_ | well, as I said, you want the fastest desktop available got to go for Windows - I have yet to see an X installation running faster than Windows on the same box |
| 04:49.24 | Pendalar | flux+kde on 600mhz runs about as well as xp on 1ghz |
| 04:49.53 | Pendalar | course a gig of swap helps |
| 04:49.53 | gerrynjr|zaurus | warmi, you ever see a 2.6 macine? |
| 04:50.21 | gerrynjr|zaurus | pendalar, 1 gig ram, 1 gig swap here |
| 04:50.45 | gerrynjr|zaurus | good ol black friday |
| 04:51.27 | warmi_ | it doesn't matter .... on every machine I had windows was faster .... frankly, I ended up developing Zaurus apps on my Win box using Visual C++ for that reason |
| 04:51.37 | warmi_ | it was more convinient that way |
| 04:51.44 | gerrynjr|zaurus | run 2.6... |
| 04:51.54 | gerrynjr|zaurus | drastic speed improvements |
| 04:52.01 | gerrynjr|zaurus | same for responsiveness |
| 04:52.23 | warmi_ | perhaps .. first I have to find driver for my Athlon 9700 |
| 04:52.35 | gerrynjr|zaurus | ??? |
| 04:52.39 | warmi_ | I think these days XFree supports it but my Accelerated X still doesn't |
| 04:52.42 | gerrynjr|zaurus | ati you mean |
| 04:52.46 | warmi_ | I mean ATI Radeon 9700 |
| 04:52.47 | warmi_ | yeah |
| 04:53.24 | gerrynjr|zaurus | accelerated X?? |
| 04:53.33 | gerrynjr|zaurus | why not run xfree? |
| 04:53.47 | warmi_ | I keep rh 7.0 on my thinkpad but it tends to go to sleep at random intervals which makes it kind of useless |
| 04:54.03 | gerrynjr|zaurus | man.. |
| 04:54.08 | gerrynjr|zaurus | thats old stuff |
| 04:54.08 | warmi_ | well, because I been running Accelerated X since 1996 - it was always faster and run better for me |
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| 04:54.40 | warmi_ | altought these days XFree pretty much cought up with XIG |
| 04:54.51 | warmi_ | or so I keep hearing |
| 04:54.52 | Captain-Obvious | why the heck did apple stop making the newtons?! |
| 04:54.59 | gerrynjr|zaurus | im always builiding the latest stuff from scratch, if portage doesnt have it |
| 04:55.37 | gerrynjr|zaurus | i suppose we all use the os that suits our needs though |
| 04:55.59 | gerrynjr|zaurus | i havnt seen windows for ~2 years... |
| 04:56.07 | warmi_ | yeah, I use linux as my server and nat box - works perfectly in that role |
| 04:56.11 | gerrynjr|zaurus | wouldnt know what im missing |
| 04:56.28 | warmi_ | and of course I used to use Linux for final crosscompile for Zaurus |
| 04:56.55 | warmi_ | but these days since looks like Zs is pretty much dead I only code for Pocket PC |
| 04:56.57 | gerrynjr|zaurus | linux _is_my all around os |
| 04:57.25 | gerrynjr|zaurus | id never buy a real pda |
| 04:57.41 | gerrynjr|zaurus | i love the z bc it isnt a pda in the generl sense |
| 04:57.54 | gerrynjr|zaurus | oits a workstation |
| 04:58.12 | Captain-Obvious | I wish apple would make a color newton |
| 04:58.15 | warmi_ | Z was very cool - too bad Sharp did not succeed with it in US |
| 04:58.29 | Captain-Obvious | with 64mb of ram and about 256 of sotrage |
| 04:58.45 | gerrynjr|zaurus | methinks i should backup all the ipks i can find... |
| 04:58.48 | Captain-Obvious | sharp dropped the ball |
| 04:58.51 | gerrynjr|zaurus | while i can |
| 04:58.57 | warmi_ | Captain-Obvious: hehe .. knowing Apple, it would probably cost 2x as much as the most expensive Pocket PC device ;-) |
| 04:59.15 | gerrynjr|zaurus | apples g5s are nce.. |
| 04:59.23 | Captain-Obvious | but it would blow away all PPCs |
| 04:59.26 | gerrynjr|zaurus | ive used a few a the uni... |
| 04:59.35 | Captain-Obvious | just look at what they were doing with the newton |
| 04:59.48 | Captain-Obvious | it learns your hand writing... automaticly! |
| 04:59.53 | gerrynjr|zaurus | newton was cool... |
| 05:00.02 | gerrynjr|zaurus | way ahead of its time though |
| 05:00.06 | Captain-Obvious | yeah |
| 05:00.09 | warmi_ | I never owned Newton ... in fact my first PDA ever was Zaurus 5000d |
| 05:00.18 | gerrynjr|zaurus | "eat up martha" |
| 05:00.28 | gerrynjr|zaurus | good ol simpsons |
| 05:00.30 | Captain-Obvious | if they would have kept with it, they would have a huge part of the market |
| 05:00.46 | gerrynjr|zaurus | warmi> my first pda was a palm m100 |
| 05:00.51 | gerrynjr|zaurus | it sucks... |
| 05:01.03 | Pendalar | my first was a palm pilot |
| 05:01.09 | gerrynjr|zaurus | naturally i was very happy when i won this z |
| 05:01.09 | Captain-Obvious | if they would have kept with it, we would be messing with newtons that run OSX |
| 05:01.35 | warmi_ | gerrynjr|zaurus you won it ? how ? |
| 05:01.49 | Captain-Obvious | same way I won my 5000d |
| 05:01.53 | gerrynjr|zaurus | www.zaurususergroup.com |
| 05:02.08 | gerrynjr|zaurus | sent in howtos and faqs |
| 05:02.22 | warmi_ | ah ok |
| 05:02.28 | warmi_ | well, I won my 5000d as well |
| 05:02.39 | warmi_ | back in 2002 :-) |
| 05:02.41 | gerrynjr|zaurus | hiw? |
| 05:02.44 | gerrynjr|zaurus | how? |
| 05:02.53 | warmi_ | Trolls original coding contest |
| 05:02.57 | Captain-Obvious | in '97 the newton mesage pad 2000 had a 4.9x3.3 (in.) 16-level grayscale backlit LCD (480x320 @ 100 dpi). screen |
| 05:03.00 | Pendalar | palm pilot -> IIIx -> Cassiopia e10 -> m505 -> zaurus 5500 |
| 05:03.02 | gerrynjr|zaurus | ah... |
| 05:03.07 | Captain-Obvious | plam pdas were still 160x160 |
| 05:03.07 | gerrynjr|zaurus | cool |
| 05:03.20 | gerrynjr|zaurus | my palm blew |
| 05:03.30 | gerrynjr|zaurus | m100,s were the worst ever |
| 05:03.39 | Pendalar | well the m100 was meant to be the low end cheapos |
| 05:03.44 | gerrynjr|zaurus | all i could afford though |
| 05:03.47 | Pendalar | and the m500's at the time was the higher |
| 05:04.07 | Captain-Obvious | my first pda was the sony sj-20 |
| 05:04.32 | Captain-Obvious | nice "high end" low end pda |
| 05:05.06 | Pendalar | I must say no matter how flaky the zaurus (or blame the distro of the moment is) the palms I've had couldn't do shit compared to it |
| 05:05.20 | Captain-Obvious | yeah |
| 05:05.22 | Pendalar | even the m505 had no decent way of getting on the internet or much of anything |
| 05:05.24 | gerrynjr|zaurus | amen! |
| 05:05.42 | Captain-Obvious | the one thing keeping me from selling my sony pda is handyshoper |
| 05:05.48 | gerrynjr|zaurus | my m100 couls barely be a calculator... |
| 05:05.50 | Pendalar | all I wanted from the palm pilot on was a) decent internet functionality and b) on unit coding environment |
| 05:06.03 | Pendalar | I finally found b) in a program called OnBoardC but it totally sucked |
| 05:06.05 | Captain-Obvious | all the zaurus shoping list programs suck |
| 05:06.08 | gerrynjr|zaurus | couldnt do anyttthing multimedia related... |
| 05:06.28 | Captain-Obvious | wow |
| 05:06.29 | Captain-Obvious | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3066470873&category=38331 |
| 05:06.38 | Pendalar | I understand Palm is getting up to par now but I grew tired of waiting on them |
| 05:06.58 | Captain-Obvious | palm is still behind sony with the pdas |
| 05:07.14 | Pendalar | true |
| 05:07.23 | Pendalar | sony has a bit more money to blow around |
| 05:07.29 | gerrynjr|zaurus | next portable i get is a laptop... |
| 05:07.35 | gerrynjr|zaurus | no more pdas... |
| 05:07.53 | gerrynjr|zaurus | unless sharp iss still selling em |
| 05:08.08 | gerrynjr|zaurus | man.. |
| 05:08.18 | Pendalar | the functionality between a PDA and a laptop is designed to be very different |
| 05:08.20 | gerrynjr|zaurus | ive gone pretty long on thumbboard... |
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| 05:10.56 | Pendalar | yep, $3200 down the drain |
| 05:11.24 | warmi_ | how much would be to replace that ribbon ? |
| 05:11.29 | gerrynjr|zaurus | my issue withthe zs is that the internal flash is bound to die w/ the amount of writes we do |
| 05:11.48 | Pendalar | the ribbon would have been pretty cheap but it fried a bunch of the circuits around it and what not |
| 05:11.49 | gerrynjr|zaurus | about 3 years worth of usage |
| 05:11.56 | Pendalar | it caught fire =-x |
| 05:12.03 | warmi_ | gerrynjr|zaurus that's more than enough |
| 05:12.04 | warmi_ | heh |
| 05:12.13 | gerrynjr|zaurus | i disagree |
| 05:12.23 | Pendalar | yeah I've never used a PDA for more than 2 years |
| 05:12.28 | warmi_ | Pendalar it would still be cheaper to replace only busted parts than to get a new laptop |
| 05:13.01 | Pendalar | warmi_: dunno I took it in and although they could have been bullshitting me, they said I needed a new LCD and motherboard -- if I was lucky |
| 05:13.03 | Captain-Obvious | how about this for a "Handheld PC" |
| 05:13.03 | Captain-Obvious | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3065901915&category=38331 |
| 05:13.17 | Pendalar | the LCD is the main part of the cost for the laptop |
| 05:13.41 | Pendalar | I can't either til I fix mozilla.. she things she's running in the background |
| 05:13.46 | Pendalar | stale lock file or something |
| 05:13.57 | warmi_ | heh |
| 05:14.03 | warmi_ | Captain-Obvious : that's old :-) |
| 05:14.13 | Pendalar | yet there isn't a lock file in /var/lock , /tmp or ~/.mozilla/profile_name |
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| 05:14.22 | gerrynjr|zaurus | damn opie irc.... |
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| 05:14.48 | gerrynjr|zaurus | no html link parsing |
| 05:14.51 | gerrynjr|zaurus | http |
| 05:15.14 | gerrynjr|zaurus | well im out. |
| 05:15.22 | gerrynjr|zaurus | time to hit the sack |
| 05:15.31 | gerrynjr|zaurus | nice chatting |
| 05:15.37 | Pendalar | tc |
| 05:15.42 | gerrynjr|zaurus | dont let thr mites bite... |
| 05:15.54 | Pendalar | I need to go to sleep but I'll wait a bit longer on glibc |
| 05:16.52 | warmi_ | Pendalar you are on east coast ? |
| 05:17.44 | Pendalar | yes |
| 05:18.01 | warmi_ | that's means only 12:20 hehe |
| 05:18.21 | Pendalar | yeah but when you are extremely sick it's about all you can do |
| 05:18.23 | warmi_ | I tend to hang around till 1:30 on weekdays .. on weekends I stay up till 3-4 :-) |
| 05:18.27 | warmi_ | ah sick |
| 05:18.39 | Pendalar | been sick for ~ 3 weeks |
| 05:18.43 | warmi_ | flu ? |
| 05:18.52 | Pendalar | had one strain of the flu for 2 weeks, then almost at the end got a new worse strain |
| 05:19.03 | Pendalar | can't fight it off since my immune system is down |
| 05:19.10 | warmi_ | heh ...yeah that sucks |
| 05:19.25 | warmi_ | immune system down ? you are taking steroids or something ? |
| 05:19.39 | Pendalar | no just cough syrup and tylenol |
| 05:19.45 | Pendalar | kinda too broke right now to get good stuff |
| 05:19.59 | warmi_ | but why is your immune system down ? |
| 05:20.00 | Pendalar | no insurance as well |
| 05:20.13 | Pendalar | from fighting the first flu for 2 weeks |
| 05:20.22 | Pendalar | I have no energy.. haven't been eating, etc |
| 05:20.28 | warmi_ | normally steroids can cause that ( and are used in auto immune diseases to supress immune system) |
| 05:20.32 | Captain-Obvious | it needs to reboot |
| 05:20.42 | warmi_ | hehe |
| 05:20.47 | Pendalar | heh |
| 05:20.56 | warmi_ | or alternatively some good dose of vodka |
| 05:21.02 | Pendalar | I paid in about $250 so my wife could get some meds |
| 05:21.07 | Pendalar | and about that much for my son |
| 05:21.14 | Captain-Obvious | honey and wisky |
| 05:21.18 | Pendalar | I'm next on the list, whenever we have that much to blow |
| 05:21.27 | Pendalar | I have honey nut cheerios.. count? |
| 05:21.41 | Pendalar | and 1 mike's hard lemonade |
| 05:21.44 | Captain-Obvious | no |
| 05:21.52 | warmi_ | Pendalar: 5 years ago I spent 10 K on healtcare ... at that time I didn't have insurance ( my own fault - I never thought a 27 year old would need an insurance) |
| 05:21.54 | Captain-Obvious | but the lemonade would be good |
| 05:22.04 | Captain-Obvious | as long as it has real lemons in it |
| 05:22.36 | Pendalar | warmi_: it's not I don't think I need it, it's I don't work full time hours to get it from work, and don't make enough to pay for it outside |
| 05:22.45 | Pendalar | I assume so, it tastes nasty |
| 05:22.50 | Pendalar | that's why it's still in there |
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| 05:23.36 | tapjpa | Whats up? |
| 05:23.51 | Pendalar | so much I just can't stand it! |
| 05:24.00 | Pendalar | don't ask.. |
| 05:24.03 | Captain-Obvious | look at the lable, if it has lemons in it, drink it... it might help some |
| 05:24.07 | tapjpa | lol |
| 05:24.20 | Captain-Obvious | lemon is good for you |
| 05:24.38 | Pendalar | looks like that would burn my throat more |
| 05:25.18 | tapjpa | Sounds like I missed all the fun ;) |
| 05:25.24 | Captain-Obvious | then go get some wisky and honey |
| 05:25.39 | warmi_ | well, if you are young ( and by that I mean less than 50 years old ) then flu won't kill you ;-) |
| 05:25.52 | Pendalar | I think I have some honey.. is that supposed to be more or less like the cough syrup? something to coat my throat |
| 05:26.01 | warmi_ | pain in the butt perhaps but you will live :-) |
| 05:26.22 | Pendalar | I know it won't kill be but I've been sick 3 weeks today |
| 05:26.26 | Pendalar | and getting worse |
| 05:26.32 | Pendalar | tired of being sick =-/ |
| 05:27.01 | Pendalar | I mean I've been sick all of december |
| 05:27.12 | warmi_ | but that's strange .... normally you should become immune to this particular strain after a week or so |
| 05:27.13 | Pendalar | that just isn't fair |
| 05:27.27 | Captain-Obvious | could be one on top of the other |
| 05:27.28 | warmi_ | unless you keep getting a different variation or something like that |
| 05:27.28 | tapjpa | Pendalar: I've been going about 5 weeks now with this crap |
| 05:27.37 | warmi_ | desinfect your house :-) |
| 05:27.39 | Pendalar | well I was getting over the first strain, at the end of the 2nd week.. but now I've got another strain which is worse |
| 05:27.42 | CdtDelta | I can vouch for that ;p |
| 05:27.52 | Pendalar | I have.. even sprayed the cats just in case |
| 05:27.58 | Pendalar | =-P |
| 05:28.09 | tapjpa | Cdt: What time did you get out? |
| 05:28.19 | Pendalar | tapjpa: if I have it 2 more weeks I'll be ready to blow my brains out |
| 05:28.24 | tapjpa | Or did you yet? |
| 05:28.29 | CdtDelta | Well, I left at 6:30....then Julie from Irvine called me on my cell |
| 05:28.41 | CdtDelta | Got off the phone with her around 8:30pm |
| 05:28.52 | tapjpa | You should have said no to that 4:30 call |
| 05:29.08 | Pendalar | welp glibc built, so I'm off for a bit |
| 05:29.13 | tapjpa | They still having probs in Irvine? |
| 05:29.14 | Pendalar | let it run and go as far as it can |
| 05:29.23 | warmi_ | heh |
| 05:30.18 | CdtDelta | tapjpa: Well, Julie is....she's got a VPN adapter that just won't uninstall |
| 05:30.53 | tapjpa | CDt: Mark finally got on about an hour ago |
| 05:31.04 | CdtDelta | tapjpa: What did he have to do? |
| 05:31.23 | tapjpa | Kept trying |
| 05:32.00 | CdtDelta | I still think Abbott's fscking with something |
| 05:32.03 | tapjpa | We did change a thing or logon other than him |
| 05:32.41 | tapjpa | err didn't |
| 05:33.52 | CdtDelta | Well, I had to switch back what we did with Jane out at Irvine...which makes no sense |
| 05:34.07 | tapjpa | To the old client? |
| 05:34.38 | CdtDelta | No, from IPSEC over TCP to IPSEC over UDP |
| 05:34.45 | tapjpa | OH |
| 05:35.26 | tapjpa | definitey sounds like Abbott fscking around again |
| 05:36.31 | CdtDelta | Yep |
| 05:36.39 | CdtDelta | Anyway, I'm goin' to bed....laterz |
| 05:36.53 | tapjpa | Have a good night! |
| 05:37.11 | mutexer | warmi_, you finished zraid yet? |
| 05:37.29 | warmi_ | dude, like months ago :-) |
| 05:37.42 | warmi_ | http://www.warmi.net/pocketpc/zraid/ |
| 05:37.44 | warmi_ | hehe |
| 05:38.50 | warmi_ | "dude, like months ago" < sounds like a typical MTV style reponse, doesn't it ;-) |
| 05:39.10 | warmi_ | mutexer : you are not doing any PPC dev at the moment ? |
| 05:39.55 | mutexer | cool |
| 05:39.59 | mutexer | IM about to start back u[ |
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| 06:30.16 | enginuitor | I can't find my WiFi card now... |
| 06:30.28 | enginuitor | Wow, what's going on in here? |
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| 06:32.09 | enginuitor | My stylus is gone too... |
| 06:32.33 | enginuitor | I can't let this stuff out of my sight or I never see it again... |
| 06:32.44 | Pend-Gone | must be a disgruntled dust mite whom who half squished earlier |
| 06:32.53 | Pend-Gone | whom you rather |
| 06:33.19 | Pend-Gone | I really shouldn't be allowed at a keyboard after 1a |
| 06:33.21 | Pend-Gone | +m |
| 06:33.50 | enginuitor | It's only 22:09 here... |
| 06:33.52 | enginuitor | But then again... |
| 06:34.00 | enginuitor | I was up until 3:00 this morning |
| 06:34.43 | enginuitor | Which didn't help my situation today... |
| 06:35.04 | enginuitor | You know what's wierd... |
| 06:35.44 | enginuitor | Whenever I'm really tired I get hyper, jittery and my armpits sweat |
| 06:35.48 | enginuitor | like caffiene overdose |
| 06:35.58 | enginuitor | w/out the caffiene |
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| 06:36.39 | Pend-Gone | that's .. nice to know |
| 06:38.04 | enginuitor | Over the years I've been slapped with everything from trout to whales |
| 06:38.28 | enginuitor | I once used this client that had presets of things you could slap people with |
| 06:39.38 | enginuitor | Today we did this career guidance program at school... |
| 06:39.59 | enginuitor | I typed in "asshole terrorist" and it came up with, among other things, "Christian Counselor" |
| 06:40.44 | enginuitor | "Exploding shit" yielded demolition engineer and pyrotechnician :) |
| 06:41.36 | enginuitor | I think I should start a blog |
| 06:41.53 | enginuitor | That way I can type all the useless crap I want and feel like it is being heard... |
| 06:41.59 | enginuitor | But not bother anybody in the process |
| 06:42.16 | enginuitor | Although talking to myself on IRC is pretty fun |
| 06:43.24 | enginuitor | I should go to sleep |
| 06:45.59 | enginuitor | Hey, I can PM myself! |
| 06:47.30 | enginuitor | Now I think I'll try some impromptu poetry... |
| 06:47.40 | enginuitor | I once had a fish, abnormal... |
| 06:47.44 | enginuitor | *slap* |
| 06:47.50 | enginuitor | with fins in random place... |
| 06:47.57 | enginuitor | for to chew upon an armchair... |
| 06:48.02 | enginuitor | was the hazard of the day! |
| 06:48.09 | enginuitor | wise men soon were coming |
| 06:48.14 | enginuitor | to diagnose the ill... |
| 06:48.21 | enginuitor | but fish was dead of armchair :( |
| 06:48.27 | enginuitor | forever rigid, |
| 06:48.29 | enginuitor | still. |
| 06:49.09 | enginuitor | Hmm... |
| 06:49.45 | enginuitor | I have a feeling I am destroying what little bit of professionalism I have left... |
| 06:50.30 | enginuitor | ... |
| 06:50.35 | enginuitor | ECHO.... |
| 06:51.55 | enginuitor | mmboy, my printer is "on fire" again |
| 06:52.23 | enginuitor | I guess the "on fire" state is commonly confused with the "paper jam" state |
| 06:52.26 | enginuitor | Oh wait... |
| 06:52.30 | enginuitor | It is on fire |
| 06:52.33 | enginuitor | brb |
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| 06:54.48 | enginuitor | I had a dream once... |
| 06:55.08 | enginuitor | I was in a room with a whole bunch of old servers and crap... |
| 06:55.36 | enginuitor | And there was this really big inkjet... looked like the old DeskJet 500 |
| 06:55.46 | enginuitor | Except instead of a single cartridge... |
| 06:56.04 | enginuitor | There was a row of about 8... |
| 06:56.33 | enginuitor | All with random colors like purple, brown, tan, etc. |
| 06:56.49 | enginuitor | And suddenly it started to feed a sheet... |
| 06:57.53 | enginuitor | And like most of the old 500's around today, it kept on spinning its wheels, to no effect; the paper stayed right where it was in the tray. |
| 06:58.13 | enginuitor | Then, suddenly, there was a terrible buzzing noise... |
| 06:59.43 | enginuitor | And from the control panel issued a mass of magic smoke sufficient to fill thousands of transistors... |
| 07:00.36 | enginuitor | And some guy was laughing at me from behind... |
| 07:01.26 | enginuitor | And there was this beeping noise, like the warning sounds in Iron Helix |
| 07:02.03 | enginuitor | I woke up and turned out to have a fever |
| 07:03.36 | enginuitor | I just realized I've been typing to my self for about 45 minutes |
| 07:04.09 | enginuitor | I hate it when I get carried away |
| 07:04.31 | enginuitor | I'm going to stop typing now and go to sleep |
| 07:04.40 | enginuitor | Farewell |
| 07:04.51 | enginuitor | I'm going to stop now. |
| 07:06.42 | enginuitor|uncon | whoops |
| 07:07.06 | enginuitor|sleep | Now I'm going to stop... |
| 07:07.14 | enginuitor|sleep | And go to sleep... |
| 07:07.17 | enginuitor|sleep | Right now |
| 07:07.53 | offroadgeek[760] | um... yeah go to bed |
| 07:09.08 | enginuitor|sleep | ok, I will |
| 07:09.37 | enginuitor|sleep | I think I might have to pull my ethernet cable... |
| 07:09.45 | offroadgeek[760] | shhhh... sleep |
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| 07:22.27 | _knoppix | hello |
| 07:23.13 | _knoppix | I want to buy a Zaurus SL-C860 (successor to SL-C750). I don't have windows on my PC. Can I transfer files to/from the Zaurus from a Linux PC? |
| 07:35.48 | offroadgeek[760] | reallyasleepnow, you still up? |
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| 10:59.35 | smashie | hmm anyones knows a good tut for cross-compiling? Like how to cross-compile a normal x86 console app? |
| 11:00.54 | eonblue | other than gettin the right compiler what else u want to know? |
| 11:01.21 | smashie | well I dont get it using the crosscompiler |
| 11:02.31 | smashie | it always compiles the normal way tho, I even dont get teh thing about tmake teh example.pro |
| 11:04.14 | smashie | so eonblue can you help me? ;) |
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| 11:05.31 | eonblue | im givin myself for present this xmas a 750 so without havin the toy in my hands better not to tell u anythin cause itll b just theory..hope u understand |
| 11:06.20 | smashie | hmpf |
| 11:06.30 | smashie | I tried google for hours now |
| 11:06.41 | smashie | but nothing really helpful |
| 11:07.05 | eonblue | http://docs.zaurus.com/index.php?id=linux_compiler_setup_howto |
| 11:07.12 | eonblue | doesnt that heelp atall? |
| 11:07.19 | smashie | nope |
| 11:07.20 | smashie | thats crap |
| 11:07.42 | XavierXeon | whats the question ? |
| 11:07.57 | smashie | as I said I dont get what tmake actually does, what ( and if I have to ) change example.pro to, I dont know how to get my cross-compiler working, so it'll be used and not the normal |
| 11:09.25 | XavierXeon | http://zaurus.xavierxeon.de/zaurus.php?group=devel&topic=qte |
| 11:09.40 | eonblue | why both gcc's have same arguments and all? |
| 11:09.51 | XavierXeon | you need to set the CROSSCOMPILE variale in your shell in order to cross compile |
| 11:11.04 | XavierXeon | i have a script which i source before i compile : |
| 11:11.04 | smashie | Xavier your page is useless as far as I can see .. |
| 11:11.07 | XavierXeon | MASTERDIR=/home/waspe/Zdev/qtopia_arm |
| 11:11.07 | XavierXeon | CROSSCOMPILE=/opt/Embedix/tools |
| 11:11.07 | XavierXeon | QPEDIR=$MASTERDIR/qtopia-free-1.5.0 |
| 11:11.07 | XavierXeon | QTDIR=$MASTERDIR/qt-2.3.2 |
| 11:11.07 | XavierXeon | PATH=$QTDIR/bin:$QPEDIR/bin:$CROSSCOMPILE/bin:$QPEDIR/bin:$MASTERDIR/tmake-1.8/bin:$PATH |
| 11:11.08 | XavierXeon | TMAKEPATH=$MASTERDIR/tmake-1.8/lib/qws/linux-sharp-g++/ |
| 11:11.10 | XavierXeon | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$QTDIR/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 11:11.12 | XavierXeon | PS1='!sharp-dev-arm\u@\h:\w\$ ' |
| 11:11.14 | XavierXeon | export QPEDIR QTDIR PATH LD_LIBRARY_PATH TMAKEPATH PS1 |
| 11:11.49 | XavierXeon | then you do a normal tmake blah.pro > Makefile |
| 11:11.53 | XavierXeon | and then make |
| 11:13.09 | smashie | I dotn have most of the dirs mentioned |
| 11:13.25 | smashie | ofc I tried a locate due to path difference, but nope nothing found |
| 11:13.41 | XavierXeon | MASTERDIR is just the dir i put all the stuff into |
| 11:14.04 | smashie | I know |
| 11:14.05 | smashie | .. |
| 11:14.37 | XavierXeon | you need to define CROSSCOMPILE (compiler),QPEDIR (qtopia),QTDIR (qt embedded) and TMAKEPATH (tmake) according to wherever your stuff is |
| 11:14.37 | smashie | dotn I have to adapt PS1 to anything? |
| 11:14.41 | smashie | I use openzaurus tho |
| 11:15.13 | XavierXeon | PS1 is just a prompt change |
| 11:15.25 | smashie | I dont have a qtopia-free-1.5.0 dir anywjere, nor a qt-2.3.2 ( ofc I know my version will differ, still no result ) |
| 11:15.50 | XavierXeon | you need qt embedded ! |
| 11:16.06 | XavierXeon | which must be qt-2.3.x |
| 11:16.20 | smashie | well I do? how come the compiler setup didnt mention a word of it |
| 11:17.22 | eonblue | mayb cause it aint sure youll use the qt libs |
| 11:17.30 | smashie | who says I will? |
| 11:17.38 | smashie | do I need them? its a pure console app |
| 11:17.51 | eonblue | true |
| 11:18.09 | XavierXeon | http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php?SourceCode |
| 11:18.21 | XavierXeon | for a console app you only need the compiler of course |
| 11:19.13 | smashie | nowhere there is said anything about changing 'CROSSCOMPILE' |
| 11:20.17 | XavierXeon | true, but i can only tell you what works for me |
| 11:23.03 | smashie | Xavier so what do I need in that file you mentioned above now |
| 11:23.20 | smashie | I even tried exporting 3 of those pathvars manually but I cant make anything due to an error |
| 11:23.28 | smashie | /opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/lib/crt1.o(.text+0x2c): undefined reference to `main' |
| 11:23.29 | smashie | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 11:23.29 | smashie | make: *** [blah] Error 1 |
| 11:24.26 | XavierXeon | CROSSCOMPILE=/opt/Embedix/tools |
| 11:24.36 | smashie | I used that |
| 11:24.36 | smashie | .. |
| 11:25.00 | smashie | same error |
| 11:25.06 | smashie | as I even used that var before |
| 11:26.00 | XavierXeon | how do you set the variable ? |
| 11:26.12 | smashie | the way you told me + export |
| 11:27.10 | XavierXeon | so you have script and you source the script (does not mean executing the script) |
| 11:27.54 | smashie | hmm nope I dont source it |
| 11:28.12 | smashie | source test |
| 11:28.13 | smashie | bash:ELF: command not found |
| 11:29.02 | XavierXeon | correct |
| 11:29.06 | smashie | yea |
| 11:29.08 | smashie | must be .sh |
| 11:29.17 | smashie | or anotehr file header |
| 11:29.22 | smashie | which indicates bash has to be used tho |
| 11:29.27 | smashie | ok |
| 11:29.30 | smashie | still the same error |
| 11:29.31 | smashie | :) |
| 11:29.37 | smashie | /opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/lib/crt1.o(.text+0x2c): undefined reference to `main' |
| 11:30.58 | XavierXeon | i had the error once, but i forgot what i did to solve it |
| 11:31.23 | smashie | why didnt anyone fucking document all those crap |
| 11:32.53 | smashie | I even though havnt seen any good docu about it yet, all those I've seen are totally dumb and fucked up |
| 11:33.07 | smashie | if every would documentate his/her work like this *nix would have died out already |
| 11:37.38 | eonblue | may i ask where ppl got their z from? |
| 11:37.52 | eonblue | i was adviced to get the 750 from barko |
| 11:37.58 | eonblue | and fuck dynamism |
| 11:39.06 | eonblue | was transltd ? |
| 11:39.40 | XavierXeon | yes |
| 11:40.04 | XavierXeon | (came with english qtopia) |
| 11:40.33 | eonblue | is ther a url of that guy? |
| 11:41.51 | XavierXeon | the only sell c860 now and the page is in german : http://www.trisoft.de/slc860.htm |
| 11:45.03 | smashie | I got my sl5500 from ebay |
| 11:45.04 | smashie | ;) |
| 11:48.17 | eonblue | xavier wieviel kostet s?kanns nicht finden |
| 11:48.58 | smashie | wieso sprichst du deutsch? :P |
| 11:49.26 | eonblue | komme aus griechenland.habs schon gelernt..privatschule |
| 11:50.23 | smashie | ich weiß woher du kommst siehe .gr greek |
| 11:50.24 | eonblue | fuck.ok seen it.. |
| 11:50.30 | smashie | aber dein deutsch ist ziemlich gut :P |
| 11:51.16 | eonblue | wie auch immer |
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| 13:58.06 | smashie | hmm anyone knows a good tut for cross-compiling? Like how to cross-compile a normal x86 console app? |
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| 14:17.26 | gyaro | alguien con una 5600 ? |
| 14:20.43 | MG_Tak | Can you try in english? |
| 14:21.30 | gyaro | problem with openzaurus and zaurus 5600 |
| 14:21.43 | gyaro | sorry my inglish :) |
| 14:22.01 | gyaro | not reflash finish |
| 14:22.21 | gyaro | my inglish is very bad |
| 14:22.26 | MG_Tak | it's okay |
| 14:22.45 | MG_Tak | what files are on your flash card and where did you download them? |
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| 14:24.31 | gyaro | in root i put initrd.bin (initrd-gcc3.bin) and zImage (zImage.bin) |
| 14:24.52 | gyaro | 1 hour and not finish |
| 14:26.16 | gyaro | download openzaurus.org |
| 14:27.06 | gyaro | led mail and battery ON |
| 14:29.29 | MG_Tak | You also have to put updater.sh which you can get from http://www.openzaurus.org/official/3.3.5/poodle/ |
| 14:29.59 | MG_Tak | when you want to flash your zaurus, you need to plug in the power, open the battery compartment and hit the reset button |
| 14:30.42 | MG_Tak | replace the battery cover, then you press "okay" and "on", it should bring you to a menu, go to "update" then choose "CF" or "SD" depending on what you're flashing with |
| 14:32.40 | gyaro | problem stop reflash now? |
| 14:33.09 | MG_Tak | yes |
| 14:33.51 | gyaro | solution ? |
| 14:34.22 | gyaro | :( |
| 14:34.43 | MG_Tak | stop your flash and follow what I just wrote |
| 14:34.59 | gyaro | button cancel ? |
| 14:35.03 | MG_Tak | just turn it off |
| 14:35.58 | gyaro | ok. go to probe |
| 14:36.12 | MG_Tak | what |
| 14:36.13 | MG_Tak | ? |
| 14:36.38 | gyaro | puss button off |
| 14:36.47 | gyaro | push button off |
| 14:37.14 | MG_Tak | turn your Zaurus around, set the "battery operation" switch to "replace battery" |
| 14:37.31 | gyaro | ok |
| 14:41.46 | fliplap | maybe i'll go for a morning drive |
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| 15:05.52 | _blue | movieplayer.qmid ,libsl.qmid, convert.sh .all i need for japanese->english trans r those?has anyone tested that? |
| 15:15.50 | smashie | hmm I seem having trouble with the dynamic linker of the gcc-libs, anyone knows what this's about? |
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| 15:23.36 | gyaro | MG_Tak thanks . update is OK. thanks |
| 15:24.04 | gyaro | bye |
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| 15:36.59 | _knoppix | Hello |
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| 16:58.25 | absentia | re |
| 16:58.32 | absentia | anyone here run oz 3.3.6-pre? |
| 16:58.34 | absentia | two things |
| 16:58.47 | absentia | (10 I have text coming up at the bottom of my screen... anyone know how to turn that off? |
| 16:59.15 | Pendalar | nope 3.3.5 |
| 16:59.21 | absentia | and (2) ... when I put in a cf wifi card, I get a dhcp address, but i don't get a default route... I tried different route commands, but they all give me usage.... "route [{add|del}] etc |
| 16:59.59 | Pendalar | didn't kergoth tell you to change some file to 0 before loading opie in the rc scripts or something? |
| 17:00.10 | absentia | yes |
| 17:00.12 | absentia | it didn't work |
| 17:00.16 | absentia | of course, he'll think i'm an idiot |
| 17:00.21 | absentia | or I'm not doing it right |
| 17:00.25 | absentia | but, maybe I'm not |
| 17:00.27 | absentia | but MAYBE I AM? |
| 17:00.29 | absentia | it doesn't work. |
| 17:00.44 | Pendalar | you did put it above the opie stuffs? |
| 17:02.01 | absentia | should that matter? |
| 17:02.11 | absentia | I was told to type in the command |
| 17:02.13 | absentia | ie: interactively |
| 17:02.21 | absentia | so that would seem to indicate that it could run any time |
| 17:02.35 | absentia | then someone suggested that I put it in /etc/init.d/opie so it would be there at reboot, etc. |
| 17:02.37 | absentia | so I put it at the end |
| 17:02.45 | absentia | then someone said put it before the opie start up. |
| 17:02.47 | absentia | so, which is it |
| 17:02.53 | Pendalar | he said something about it was only read once, and if opie was already loading.. it'd use what it had at the time |
| 17:02.55 | Pendalar | above |
| 17:02.55 | absentia | does it have ot be done before, or can it be done any time ? |
| 17:03.00 | absentia | ah |
| 17:03.02 | absentia | I missed that |
| 17:03.03 | Pendalar | before opie loads |
| 17:03.05 | absentia | I'll go put it before. |
| 17:03.08 | Pendalar | =-) |
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| 17:04.35 | absentia | how do I go to the firts line in vi ? |
| 17:04.47 | absentia | ah |
| 17:04.49 | absentia | first line is 1 |
| 17:04.50 | absentia | not 0 |
| 17:04.51 | absentia | 1G |
| 17:04.52 | absentia | got it |
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| 17:08.54 | absentia | I tell ya, though.. |
| 17:09.13 | absentia | the 5500/5600 has nothing on the c7x0 line... the keyboard is so muchbetter.. the screen is so much better. |
| 17:09.20 | absentia | on the c7x0 |
| 17:09.42 | absentia | 5600 gets hot, too... |
| 17:10.00 | Pendalar | ;-) |
| 17:10.09 | Pendalar | like I said, if you got a c760 be happy |
| 17:10.16 | absentia | yup |
| 17:11.08 | absentia | ok |
| 17:11.10 | absentia | now for the default route ? |
| 17:11.18 | absentia | ok |
| 17:11.27 | absentia | looks like before opie... read once.. at the beginning... is the key |
| 17:11.31 | absentia | so you can't just type it in any time. |
| 17:12.13 | Pendalar | hmm |
| 17:12.37 | Pendalar | I really can't help much with my wifi CF being blown on that |
| 17:12.44 | Pendalar | I've never had to do route stuffs |
| 17:12.54 | Pendalar | er on the zaurus anyways |
| 17:13.16 | absentia | I just hate that the "route" command has so many different syntaxes |
| 17:14.32 | Pendalar | so w/o doing route and you put the card in, what happens |
| 17:14.32 | Pendalar | you get the dhcp pull but not DNS? |
| 17:14.38 | absentia | blah |
| 17:14.42 | absentia | xargs is giving me usage too |
| 17:14.52 | absentia | I get an ip |
| 17:14.59 | absentia | a route to the local net (ie: .0) |
| 17:15.01 | absentia | but no default route |
| 17:15.23 | absentia | dns is working |
| 17:15.36 | Pendalar | and you didn't have this problem on 3.3.5? |
| 17:15.44 | absentia | never ran 3.3.5 |
| 17:15.53 | absentia | I'm quite happy to just add a default route |
| 17:16.01 | absentia | my dhcp may not provide that |
| 17:16.07 | absentia | I just need to know, want to know.. the syntax. |
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| 17:16.34 | absentia | since there are no man pages. |
| 17:16.36 | absentia | ok, b ack later. |
| 17:16.40 | Pendalar | well.. |
| 17:16.47 | Pendalar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.47 | Pendalar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.48 | Pendalar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.54 | Pendalar | could be something the update broke |
| 17:16.58 | Pendalar | by accident? |
| 17:22.32 | George- | tux_mike: so.. did it come back with 1GB RAM? |
| 17:44.43 | enginuitor | buaghh... |
| 17:45.02 | enginuitor | I hate it when I sleep with my mouth open |
| 17:45.22 | enginuitor | The water evaporates out of the saliva and concentrates it |
| 17:45.29 | enginuitor | Tastes terrible |
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| 17:53.02 | George- | enginuitor: that was fucking random |
| 17:53.40 | smashie | hmm cute I got my tcl working on OZ |
| 17:57.55 | absentia | ok |
| 17:57.57 | absentia | to add a route |
| 17:59.23 | absentia | time to google for it |
| 17:59.53 | Disconnect | absentia: route add [net] <destination> gw <gateway> |
| 18:00.05 | enginuitor | Mmmboy, my parrot just said "hithere" |
| 18:00.06 | Disconnect | if you use net, add [netmask x.x.x.x] before gw |
| 18:00.20 | enginuitor | She's only like 4 months old |
| 18:00.33 | absentia | route add net 0 192.168.2.1 |
| 18:00.46 | enginuitor | I just realized my clock is off... |
| 18:00.57 | enginuitor | Says 8:45 PT |
| 18:01.15 | absentia | nope |
| 18:01.16 | absentia | that didn't work |
| 18:01.21 | absentia | route add default 192.168.2.1 1 |
| 18:01.24 | absentia | solaris ... didnt work |
| 18:02.47 | absentia | route add default gw 192.168.1.200 |
| 18:03.30 | absentia | route add default gw 192.168.2.1 |
| 18:03.31 | absentia | that worked |
| 18:04.22 | enginuitor | I'd better get on-topic before people start /ignore'ing me... |
| 18:04.39 | absentia | naw |
| 18:04.44 | absentia | that's #openembedded |
| 18:04.52 | enginuitor | lol |
| 18:05.01 | enginuitor | Has anybody tried the buzzer DSP feature in OZ? |
| 18:05.02 | absentia | ok |
| 18:05.04 | absentia | I can surf now |
| 18:05.08 | absentia | no |
| 18:05.27 | enginuitor | I was thinking of it, but decided I would go with the latest version of the software instead |
| 18:05.49 | enginuitor | But I think I'll be going back to 3.2 anyway |
| 18:07.20 | enginuitor | I'd like at least some sort of built-in sound besides "click" and "beep" |
| 18:07.36 | Disconnect | absentia: I want solaris on my Z. (ok, no I don't. but I wonder if it runs in bochs..) |
| 18:09.15 | enginuitor | But apparently to make the built-in sound work, you have to switch completely to the buzzer and the jack no longer works |
| 18:09.27 | enginuitor | It would be really nice to be able to switch that in the volume applet |
| 18:10.59 | enginuitor | OK, I think it's time to get outta Windows here... |
| 18:11.07 | enginuitor | It's doing it's lag thing... |
| 18:11.19 | enginuitor | It's doing *its* lag thing |
| 18:11.26 | enginuitor | Excuse the typo |
| 18:11.43 | enginuitor | l;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; |
| 18:12.32 | enginuitor | Sorry... parrot decided to try to pull the " key off |
| 18:12.53 | enginuitor | Succeed \jkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkj |
| 18:12.55 | enginuitor | goddammit |
| 18:13.02 | enginuitor | she just got my m key |
| 18:13.24 | Disconnect | lol |
| 18:13.40 | enginuitor | I am absolutely fucking serious |
| 18:13.59 | enginuitor | She is going crazy, climbing down my arms as fast as she can to get to the keyboard |
| 18:14.17 | enginuitor | And then I grab her and put her back on my lap |
| 18:14.25 | enginuitor | Every 5 seconds |
| 18:14.45 | enginuitor | I have one of those color-coded video editing keyboards |
| 18:15.03 | enginuitor | Used to be really into video |
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| 18:21.11 | enginuitor | ah, here we go... http://www.gee-enginuity.com/Oldsite-asof1003/georgie.jpg |
| 18:21.16 | enginuitor | I knew I had a picture somewhere |
| 18:29.16 | enginuitor | OK, I guess I'm gonna flash to Stable... |
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| 18:43.44 | enginuitor | Hey, I was looking at the OZ "stable" feed with aqpkg... |
| 18:43.57 | enginuitor | And there was an updated kernel-image... |
| 18:44.04 | enginuitor | Said 2.4.6.... |
| 18:44.40 | enginuitor | here we go... kernel-image_2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix-2_arm.ipk |
| 18:45.44 | enginuitor | oh wait... |
| 18:45.50 | enginuitor | How does the numbering go... |
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| 18:46.17 | enginuitor | is, for example, 1.2.3 higher than 1.2.12 |
| 18:46.29 | enginuitor | Or is it treated as three individual decimal values? |
| 18:47.32 | enginuitor | Here come the magic words... |
| 18:47.34 | enginuitor | Is anybody here? |
| 18:48.09 | enginuitor | Ah, didn't work that time |
| 18:49.54 | enginuitor | So is 2.40.24 higher than 2.4.6?? |
| 18:50.11 | enginuitor | Argh, I'm confused |
| 18:52.03 | Reddog-[Away] | yep |
| 18:52.57 | George- | 2.40.24?!?! |
| 18:53.37 | Reddog-[Away] | if it existed it would be higher than 2.4.6 |
| 18:53.54 | George- | :P |
| 18:53.59 | George- | it's a shame it doesn't exist :) |
| 18:54.17 | Reddog-[Away] | lol, go 2.6.0 :P |
| 18:55.32 | absentia | ok |
| 18:55.34 | absentia | I give up |
| 18:55.39 | absentia | how do I tell akpgq where I have ipks? |
| 18:55.43 | absentia | it has a local packages |
| 18:55.49 | absentia | but that seems to look at /mnt/cf |
| 18:55.53 | absentia | but I can't have a /mnt/cf and a wifi in |
| 18:56.06 | absentia | I can't dl a ip with konq, because it puts it in the browser, instead of downloading it |
| 18:56.08 | absentia | so I wget to /tmp |
| 18:56.17 | absentia | if I ipkg install file.ipk from temp |
| 18:56.18 | absentia | it doesn't get installed properly |
| 18:56.21 | absentia | so I want to install it with aqpkg |
| 18:56.30 | absentia | I tried editing /etc/ipk.conf and putting in |
| 18:56.32 | absentia | src file:///tmp |
| 18:56.39 | absentia | but that comesup as file:///tmp in the selector |
| 18:56.43 | absentia | I see installed packages and local packages |
| 18:56.48 | absentia | but I don't see "local" in the config file |
| 18:56.51 | absentia | so I don't know where it's looking |
| 18:56.58 | absentia | it doesn't scan the machine and it doesn't find my .ipk |
| 18:57.05 | absentia | help ? |
| 18:57.20 | absentia | I've been trying to install mahjong under oz for 2 hours |
| 18:57.22 | absentia | this is so lame |
| 18:59.28 | absentia | under oz |
| 18:59.30 | absentia | I get the icon up |
| 18:59.32 | absentia | I click on it |
| 18:59.37 | absentia | I get the busy/sipnner for about 2 seconds |
| 18:59.39 | absentia | and then it goes away |
| 18:59.40 | absentia | and no mahjong |
| 18:59.51 | absentia | that's what happens when I install it with ipkg install mahjongg.ipkg |
| 18:59.54 | absentia | ipk |
| 18:59.54 | absentia | etc |
| 18:59.55 | enginuitor | there's errors happening |
| 19:00.03 | absentia | you think ? |
| 19:00.08 | enginuitor | lol |
| 19:00.13 | enginuitor | run the binary from the command line |
| 19:00.18 | enginuitor | that's what I usually do |
| 19:00.25 | enginuitor | Then I can see what errors are happening |
| 19:00.31 | absentia | ok |
| 19:00.35 | enginuitor | 80% of my problems like that are because of missing symlink |
| 19:00.36 | absentia | gotat find it first |
| 19:00.36 | enginuitor | s |
| 19:00.40 | enginuitor | hmm |
| 19:00.47 | enginuitor | Is it in root, ram, or cf? |
| 19:01.03 | enginuitor | or sd |
| 19:01.03 | absentia | root |
| 19:01.05 | enginuitor | ok |
| 19:01.18 | enginuitor | that would be /opt/QtPalmtop/bin if I remember... |
| 19:01.22 | enginuitor | something similar.... |
| 19:01.22 | absentia | yup |
| 19:01.41 | absentia | relocation error |
| 19:01.46 | enginuitor | hmm |
| 19:01.52 | absentia | 7Q string.shared null |
| 19:01.59 | enginuitor | oh boy |
| 19:02.02 | absentia | gcc2 vs gcc3 error? |
| 19:02.08 | enginuitor | That's beyond me |
| 19:02.11 | enginuitor | lol |
| 19:02.20 | enginuitor | I'm relatively new to the Z |
| 19:02.24 | enginuitor | ...and linux in general |
| 19:02.33 | absentia | I wonder why oz doesn't have mahjongg .. oh well, more reason why I need to get off my ass and write my own. |
| 19:02.35 | absentia | ah |
| 19:02.50 | absentia | I'm paying with oz 3.3.6 |
| 19:02.55 | enginuitor | ooooooooh |
| 19:02.56 | absentia | gcc3 |
| 19:02.58 | absentia | overall, it's very nice. |
| 19:03.07 | enginuitor | do they have a feed for it? |
| 19:03.19 | smashie | absentia |
| 19:03.20 | smashie | erm |
| 19:03.25 | smashie | mahjong's available |
| 19:03.25 | smashie | ;) |
| 19:03.38 | enginuitor | hmm, is 3.3.6 under /experimental ? |
| 19:03.48 | absentia | no idea |
| 19:03.56 | absentia | I went to get oz from openzaurus ... 3.3.6 came up for 5600 |
| 19:04.04 | smashie | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=567 |
| 19:04.10 | enginuitor | ooh, here it is... |
| 19:04.11 | absentia | there's a little debug flag left on, but once you fix that |
| 19:04.13 | enginuitor | cool |
| 19:04.14 | absentia | the system is very nice. |
| 19:04.23 | absentia | this 5600 ix only 320x240 ... so I'm playing around with it. |
| 19:04.28 | smashie | absentia |
| 19:04.28 | smashie | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=567 |
| 19:04.30 | enginuitor | They just haven't updated their site in a long time... |
| 19:04.43 | absentia | yes |
| 19:04.44 | absentia | smashie |
| 19:04.46 | absentia | that's gcc2, I think |
| 19:04.53 | smashie | yea |
| 19:04.58 | absentia | that's the one I nrmally install |
| 19:04.59 | smashie | gcc's 3.x tree sucks anyway |
| 19:05.01 | absentia | but it's not working under this oz |
| 19:05.05 | absentia | I thought it was something that I Was doing |
| 19:05.07 | absentia | but it's not, really. |
| 19:05.18 | absentia | :-) |
| 19:06.51 | enginuitor | Wow, Opera under OZ "r0x0rs" my "b0x0rs" |
| 19:06.57 | enginuitor | I hope I spelled that right... |
| 19:07.08 | enginuitor | really really fast |
| 19:07.21 | enginuitor | at least, compared to PocketPC IE... |
| 19:07.48 | absentia | where did you get the ipk for it ? |
| 19:08.06 | enginuitor | I downloaded a program that is supposed to rip it from the sharp rom... |
| 19:08.12 | absentia | oh |
| 19:08.16 | enginuitor | but the ipk I downloaded turned out to be opera itself!! |
| 19:08.18 | absentia | there's an opera 7.11 out from ibm |
| 19:08.31 | enginuitor | I'll find it... brb |
| 19:09.12 | absentia | it's ok |
| 19:09.15 | absentia | I have the old opera 6.x |
| 19:09.17 | absentia | :-) |
| 19:10.03 | enginuitor | http://me.256k.net/zaurus/opera/opera_6.0_new.ipk |
| 19:10.19 | enginuitor | It says it's an "opera creator" but it's 2.5mb... |
| 19:10.23 | absentia | ok |
| 19:10.51 | enginuitor | The sharp rom didn't see it... |
| 19:10.56 | enginuitor | because it was already installed |
| 19:11.06 | enginuitor | It's the actual Opera ipk |
| 19:11.14 | enginuitor | Not a creator |
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| 19:30.03 | enginuitor | ... |
| 19:30.10 | enginuitor | Ya know what's funny? |
| 19:30.25 | enginuitor | My 5500 doesn't have the word Zaurus anywhere on it |
| 19:30.47 | enginuitor | I've checked every little label, on and under the battery, etc. |
| 19:31.31 | enginuitor | What's really annoying is everyone who doesn't call it a "Palm Pilot" calls it a "Sharp" |
| 19:31.41 | enginuitor | Because that's the most visible word on the case |
| 19:47.17 | George- | enginuitor: uh, the frosted screen cover says "Zaurus' on it |
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| 20:04.07 | enginuitor | Oh yeah, now I remember why I was using 3.3.5... |
| 20:04.13 | enginuitor | It has opie 1 |
| 20:04.29 | oGMo | it says it when it boots |
| 20:04.30 | oGMo | ;) |
| 20:04.33 | oGMo | and what George- said |
| 20:04.37 | enginuitor | Whereas I believe 3.2 had a much earlier version.. |
| 20:04.48 | enginuitor | Really? |
| 20:05.00 | enginuitor | I just get the OZ logo, |
| 20:05.04 | enginuitor | then "booting" |
| 20:05.07 | oGMo | oh |
| 20:05.11 | enginuitor | Then the GUI comes oup |
| 20:05.12 | oGMo | well, that's your problem ;) |
| 20:05.16 | enginuitor | lol |
| 20:05.32 | enginuitor | Well, as long as I'm screwing with my Z, I think I'll try 3.5.6 |
| 20:05.45 | oGMo | if you're using OZ you can make it say zaurus if you want |
| 20:05.54 | enginuitor | lol |
| 20:06.12 | oGMo | of course, you can if you're using sharp too, but if you're using OZ you've likely got the sk1llz |
| 20:06.26 | oGMo | i should check out oz again |
| 20:06.39 | oGMo | does it have a new hierarchical documents tab yet? |
| 20:06.44 | enginuitor | nope |
| 20:06.48 | oGMo | damn. |
| 20:06.48 | enginuitor | It's all jumbled together |
| 20:06.54 | enginuitor | Just like the old versions |
| 20:07.06 | enginuitor | I just turn off the media scanning and doctab |
| 20:07.08 | oGMo | opie people need to fix tat |
| 20:07.10 | oGMo | 'that' |
| 20:07.22 | enginuitor | It pisses me off to wait for 5 seconds when I stick a card in |
| 20:08.02 | enginuitor | I'm gonna try the experimental 3.5.6 and see if they fixed the WiFi issue... |
| 20:09.34 | enginuitor | what are all these dirs... |
| 20:09.48 | enginuitor | collie, corgi, h3600, husky, poodle, shepherd |
| 20:09.56 | enginuitor | h3600 sounds like an iPaq |
| 20:10.39 | enginuitor | ooh, well the collie dir was updated /today/, so there's prob'ly new stuff in there... |
| 20:11.04 | enginuitor | coool, a new version came out /today/!!! |
| 20:11.26 | enginuitor | 3.3.6-pre1-2.4.18 |
| 20:12.22 | enginuitor | ooh!!! |
| 20:12.25 | enginuitor | >>upgraded wireless extension patches in kernel |
| 20:12.30 | enginuitor | Perfect |
| 20:12.41 | enginuitor | ooh! |
| 20:12.47 | enginuitor | >>Battery Patch is in |
| 20:12.58 | enginuitor | This is like an early Christmas present!! |
| 20:14.09 | enginuitor | The kernel is smaller too... |
| 20:14.23 | enginuitor | hey, where's the initrd? |
| 20:14.40 | enginuitor | ah, here we go |
| 20:14.47 | enginuitor | I gotta learn to stop typing to my self... |
| 20:24.29 | enginuitor | Ah, the lights are out! Here goes the reset... |
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| 21:15.47 | smashie | anyones ever used a dlink dwl660W with OZ? |
| 21:16.08 | jcsitte | nope |
| 21:16.14 | enginuitor | lol |
| 21:16.30 | enginuitor | It's fun to watch three channels at once... |
| 21:27.01 | ljp | I have a 660.. biggest p.o.s. wifi card |
| 21:28.50 | smashie | ljp |
| 21:28.52 | smashie | p.o.s? |
| 21:30.13 | ljp | piece if sh*t |
| 21:30.16 | ljp | of |
| 21:30.22 | smashie | hmm |
| 21:30.26 | smashie | I just ordered one |
| 21:30.29 | ljp | worked well for about a month, then slowly degraded |
| 21:30.36 | smashie | well guarantee? |
| 21:30.47 | ljp | ow I have to bend it a bit for it to send/receive packets |
| 21:30.57 | ljp | s/ow/now |
| 21:31.06 | smashie | is your rest wifi hardware from dlink? |
| 21:31.24 | ljp | ya |
| 21:31.38 | smashie | ljp hmm what AP are u usin? |
| 21:31.39 | ljp | I have better luck with ma700 |
| 21:31.58 | ljp | doesnt metter for the ap, its the card. I have heard other stories about the 660 as well |
| 21:32.12 | Reddog-[Away] | are their any CF wifi's with external antenna connectors? |
| 21:32.28 | smashie | ljp still what AP are u usin? |
| 21:33.31 | ljp | home I have a d-link 614+ |
| 21:33.43 | ljp | at work not sure. its hidden in the ceiling |
| 21:33.51 | smashie | well |
| 21:33.56 | smashie | but if it stops working after a month |
| 21:34.00 | smashie | why dont you hand it back |
| 21:34.08 | smashie | you have guarantee, havnt you? |
| 21:34.10 | ljp | too late |
| 21:34.23 | ljp | dont know. |
| 21:34.33 | smashie | erm so you have it over 2 years? |
| 21:34.34 | ljp | too much hassle really |
| 21:34.49 | smashie | hmm I paid 87 EUR for it |
| 21:35.03 | smashie | I could have got a MA701 from netgear for 55 EUR |
| 21:35.09 | ljp | I think I paid $45 USD |
| 21:35.44 | ljp | well, you might have better luck with it than I did |
| 21:36.12 | smashie | hmm ye |
| 21:36.13 | Captain-Obvious | the ma701 isnt worth buying |
| 21:36.20 | smashie | I dont have any probs with my dlink hardware |
| 21:36.28 | smashie | have pcmcia card/AP/and switches |
| 21:36.29 | ljp | ma701 works perfectly for me |
| 21:36.44 | ljp | we have several at work |
| 21:36.48 | enginuitor | Is there a way to run a console on the Z's rs232 port?? |
| 21:50.19 | chuckr | I'm trying to add "chuckr" as a user on my 760, but adduser refuses to work. I'm using only the -[gsh] options, as listed in the man page I found for tinylogin at http://tinylogin.busybox.net/TinyLogin.html, but it still refuses to do anything else except come back with the usage prompt (and not changing /etc/passwd). What aam I doing wrong? |
| 21:57.28 | MG_Tak | damn, 1600x1200 flat panels are expensive. |
| 21:57.47 | enginuitor | MG_Tak: I like CRT's better anyway |
| 21:57.57 | enginuitor | Although I admit the non-flickeryness of an LCD is nice |
| 21:58.12 | MG_Tak | enginuitor: my 19" CRT does bad things to my desks. |
| 21:58.16 | enginuitor | lol |
| 21:58.20 | enginuitor | I can imagine |
| 21:58.33 | enginuitor | The other thing is that CRT's are more cost-effective... |
| 21:58.41 | MG_Tak | and there's no way I can go back to less than 1600x1200 resolution |
| 21:58.56 | enginuitor | oooh |
| 21:59.21 | enginuitor | ...and people complain that "everything is too small" on /my/ computer... |
| 21:59.44 | enginuitor | I got a 17" flat-screen that handles 1270x1024 at a garage sale for $5 |
| 22:00.01 | enginuitor | they wanted $10, but I said "five bucks?" and they said "sure" |
| 22:00.11 | enginuitor | I don't know what the hell they were doing selling it like that... |
| 22:00.11 | MG_Tak | damn |
| 22:00.17 | enginuitor | It's a great monitor |
| 22:00.31 | enginuitor | Super-sharp, and the color is better than my old MultiSync |
| 22:00.40 | chuckr | I've never done admin on a sysV system like Linux before, i need help with tinylogin |
| 22:00.40 | George- | crap resolution though |
| 22:00.44 | enginuitor | Now the MultiSync has been demoted to secondary monitor |
| 22:01.24 | MG_Tak | 1280x1024, I imagine.. |
| 22:01.33 | enginuitor | Well, I think I could prob'ly drive it well over 1024 lines, but I don't need any higher res on a 17-incher |
| 22:01.34 | chuckr | if anyone knows how to do it by hand, it would be appreciated (who to handle shadow, gshadow) |
| 22:01.57 | George- | enginuitor: 1280x1024 is an inherently evil resolution |
| 22:02.02 | enginuitor | why? |
| 22:02.11 | George- | it's aspect ratio is 5:4 |
| 22:02.15 | enginuitor | ahhh |
| 22:02.18 | George- | the physical aspect of a monitor is 4:3 |
| 22:02.20 | enginuitor | I see |
| 22:02.22 | George- | use 1280x960 |
| 22:02.31 | enginuitor | I use that on my Linux box |
| 22:02.42 | enginuitor | But I don't think my windows drivers support it... |
| 22:02.56 | George- | well then fix it ;) |
| 22:04.57 | enginuitor | lol |
| 22:05.03 | enginuitor | I don't use Win all that much |
| 22:05.06 | enginuitor | So I don't bother fixing it |
| 22:05.11 | enginuitor | I just let it fall apart |
| 22:05.19 | Captain-Obvious | my system supoprts that res |
| 22:05.26 | enginuitor | That's my incentive for staying in Linux |
| 22:05.36 | Captain-Obvious | even under windows |
| 22:05.45 | enginuitor | I actually let my Windows machine get fscked up on purpose |
| 22:06.11 | Captain-Obvious | my card suports 1920x1440 |
| 22:06.21 | George- | my crt supports that res too |
| 22:06.27 | George- | I normally run it at 1600x1200 though |
| 22:06.40 | Captain-Obvious | but the most my 19" monitor supports is 1600x1200 |
| 22:07.05 | George- | mine's a 19" flat crt ;) |
| 22:07.22 | Captain-Obvious | mine is a 19" flat CRT |
| 22:07.37 | Captain-Obvious | Samtron (Samsung) 96BDF |
| 22:07.48 | George- | Philips 19S or something |
| 22:11.02 | Captain-Obvious | going to use it as a debug tool for the zaurus :) |
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| 22:12.30 | chuckr | hey Captain, give a look at my prob for a sec, huh? |
| 22:12.49 | chuckr | I gotta get users working |
| 22:13.14 | Captain-Obvious | you cant have more than one user right now... |
| 22:13.15 | chuckr | BTW, in python, both TkInter and pygtk work just fine, it seems |
| 22:13.42 | chuckr | really? Could I possibly rename root to chucke without having it bomb out? |
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| 22:13.58 | Captain-Obvious | dont think so |
| 22:14.01 | chuckr | goddamn I can't even spell my own name right |
| 22:14.26 | chuckr | I'm typing at a slant, and since I started that about amonth ago, I can't type work crap |
| 22:14.30 | chuckr | worth |
| 22:14.54 | chuckr | anyhow, python is my new love |
| 22:15.19 | chuckr | ask me again tomorrow, because one of my goals for the next two weeks is learning objective C |
| 22:15.49 | chuckr | out of curiosity, has anyone her got anyh opinions regarding GNU's configure? |
| 22:16.03 | ChipX86 | what about it? |
| 22:16.12 | ChipX86 | what you're actually thinking of is autoconf |
| 22:16.42 | chuckr | well, at work, I'm about 75% finished witha python scrupt that gives cross--platform usage in byuilding, and it has made me more |
| 22:17.26 | chuckr | that ordinarily aware of screwups several folks have committed against repairability, and they are concentrated in GNU;s make and configure and libtool |
| 22:17.51 | ChipX86 | there are issues like with anything else |
| 22:17.55 | chuckr | I could be talkedd into fixing them, if I was really sure I was going in the right direction |
| 22:18.21 | chuckr | for the world, that is, I already have such a tool for work, but there I can lay down rules |
| 22:19.15 | chuckr | like, I specifically hate libtool because it hides what it does instead of advertising it, in the belief that seeing what's going on is damaging to folks eyes, I guess |
| 22:20.13 | treke|home | you ChipX86 and chuckr |
| 22:20.13 | chuckr | if anything is broken in your libtool, first thing you have to do is sacrifice a livve chicken, then get your oldest daughter's virtue ready for usage .... |
| 22:20.24 | ChipX86 | treke|home: ? |
| 22:20.33 | treke|home | s/u// |
| 22:20.34 | treke|home | yo |
| 22:20.38 | ChipX86 | oh, hey :) |
| 22:21.29 | chuckr | am I the only one who thinks that hiding what the tool is doing (or at least not giving an option to see EVERYTHING) is very evil? |
| 22:22.29 | chuckr | I'm always the fella who's asked to fix things, so my #1 focus is not on gracefullness or power, it's on repairability and obviouslessss |
| 22:23.03 | chuckr | libtool hides damn near everything it does, and it's nearly impossible to fix |
| 22:23.48 | chuckr | the way config works, with it's quotin grules from hell, it's not only really hard to find bugs that yo're staring right at, it can't be fixed, either |
| 22:24.06 | chuckr | it's that m4 usage |
| 22:24.39 | chuckr | I really think that a rewrite in python would be 1) really easy and 2) really fixable |
| 22:24.56 | chuckr | configure just isn't that hard a concept to redo |
| 22:25.34 | chuckr | ok, until someone else comments, I'm going quiet, I'm not here to hear ME |
| 22:27.13 | jcsitte | anyone have issues updating zaurys rom with usb? |
| 22:27.23 | jcsitte | err zaurus |
| 22:27.54 | jcsitte | Cant locate module usbd0 |
| 22:29.14 | chuckr | do a lsmod, what modules that start with "usbd" report out? |
| 22:31.31 | chuckr | trekel, no interest in build issues? I could and would do this, if I could feel that I was going in the right path, but I need to hear some bitching first, see if my own opinions match other's opinions |
| 22:34.02 | jcsitte | this is odd |
| 22:34.17 | jcsitte | I am trying to update the rom using windows |
| 22:34.27 | jcsitte | It seems to connect |
| 22:34.50 | jcsitte | nothing happens |
| 22:35.41 | Captain-Obvious | xyzzy! |
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| 22:44.52 | enginuitor | I am most satisfied :) |
| 22:45.25 | enginuitor | Now to repeat the same messages in #openzaurus, #openembedded, and #opie... |
| 22:49.49 | enginuitor | With the WiFi problem fixed in OZ 3.3.6, I can finally fulfill my greatest dream... |
| 22:50.10 | enginuitor | Running a web server from my pants pocket! |
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| 23:36.42 | enginuitor | How can I compile for the Zaurus on my big box? |
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| 23:37.32 | enginuitor | oh wow, you can write to the camera too |
| 23:39.02 | enginuitor | and there's a continuous-stream mode too! |
| 23:39.11 | enginuitor | this thing is great! |
| 23:39.20 | enginuitor | it would make a good eye for a robot too |
| 23:43.28 | Aimio | quite worrying for me to be here after selling my Z |
| 23:45.53 | blitzrage | I need to replace my Z after someone stole mine on Monday... |
| 23:46.13 | enginuitor | oh no!!! |
| 23:46.19 | blitzrage | yah.. tell me about it |
| 23:46.31 | enginuitor | I have a message on mine that says, and I directly quote... |
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| 23:49.49 | enginuitor | "If found, please call the above number immediately. There may be a reward for return. Be aware that this is a Linux-based device, and the passcode is stored in the hardware. Therefore, if you are the kind of person who would consider stealing this device, you are not going to be able to figure out how to work the basic functions of this device, let alone break the passcode protection. Do the smart thing. Return it now. |
| 23:50.07 | enginuitor | It actually goes on... |
| 23:50.09 | *** join/#zaurus Disconnect (~dis@arent.you.special.you.gotontheinter.net) |
| 23:50.13 | enginuitor | But I am tired of typing it |
| 23:53.51 | enginuitor | Gotta go, I'm gonna boot back to linux, finally!! |
| 23:54.16 | enginuitor | C'yall in 5 minutes... |
