| 00:00.19 | enginuit_Z | And I am given fat16, fat12, and fat32 as fs type options |
| 00:00.40 | enginuit_Z | as well as several choices for cluster size |
| 00:01.20 | enginuit_Z | anybody here? |
| 00:01.45 | TheMasterMind1 | fat16 |
| 00:01.57 | enginuit_Z | and cluster size? |
| 00:01.57 | enginuit_Z | does it matter? |
| 00:02.51 | enginuit_Z | I've got 1KB, 2KB, 4KB and 8KB |
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| 00:04.03 | TheMasterMind1 | dunno |
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| 00:33.37 | absentia | I selected just "fat" on w2k |
| 00:33.40 | absentia | and the Z didn't see it |
| 00:33.43 | absentia | I'm going to try fat32 |
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| 00:54.28 | absentia | hey |
| 00:54.34 | absentia | anyone good at formatting cf cards? |
| 00:54.35 | absentia | and flashing? |
| 00:56.10 | gerrynjr | i've done fine |
| 00:56.13 | gerrynjr | send e your cf |
| 00:56.17 | gerrynjr | or just get a new one |
| 00:56.51 | absentia | ya |
| 00:56.56 | absentia | I'm going to buy a new one tomorrow |
| 00:57.02 | absentia | if this doesn't work |
| 00:57.07 | absentia | I just don't know what else can be done |
| 00:57.10 | absentia | anyone know why |
| 00:57.14 | absentia | mkfs.vfat /dev/hda1 |
| 00:57.21 | absentia | gives" trying to make a too large filsystem |
| 00:57.25 | absentia | (type) error ? |
| 00:59.57 | absentia | c700 *still*doesn't see it |
| 01:00.29 | gerrynjr | absentia> what size cf? |
| 01:00.52 | gerrynjr | have you tried repartitoining the card? |
| 01:02.37 | absentia | yes |
| 01:02.42 | absentia | 128mb CF card |
| 01:02.47 | absentia | my 760 doesn't see it ither |
| 01:02.50 | absentia | this is what I can see |
| 01:02.53 | absentia | I formatted it ext2 |
| 01:02.58 | absentia | and ever since, I haven't been able to flah with it |
| 01:03.01 | absentia | I can't format it back |
| 01:03.07 | absentia | I've tried to fdisk it |
| 01:03.13 | absentia | deleted all the partitions, added aprimary |
| 01:03.15 | absentia | full disk |
| 01:03.27 | absentia | made the id be "6" for fat16 |
| 01:03.37 | absentia | formatted it under w2k |
| 01:03.41 | absentia | can mount it on freebsd |
| 01:03.48 | absentia | neither sharp rom nor cacko rom will mount it |
| 01:03.56 | absentia | when I insert it, the system sees the cf is inserted |
| 01:03.57 | absentia | but it won't mount |
| 01:04.03 | absentia | mkfs.vfat on the zaurus locks hard |
| 01:04.06 | absentia | on the card. |
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| 01:04.46 | absentia | > made the id be "6" for fat16 |
| 01:04.46 | absentia | > formatted it under w2k |
| 01:04.46 | absentia | > can mount it on freebsd |
| 01:04.46 | absentia | > neither sharp rom nor cacko rom will mount it |
| 01:04.46 | absentia | > when I insert it, the system sees the cf is inserted |
| 01:04.49 | absentia | > but it won't mount |
| 01:04.52 | absentia | > mkfs.vfat on the zaurus locks hard |
| 01:04.52 | absentia | > on the card. |
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| 01:05.06 | absentia | Grrr |
| 01:07.10 | absentia | is anyone here? |
| 01:10.50 | absentia | how do I look at the DOS disklabel ? |
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| 01:11.52 | absentia | tap: do you have a CF card? |
| 01:19.44 | absentia | wow |
| 01:19.49 | absentia | I think I got it back |
| 01:19.58 | absentia | you *have* to make a filesystem with mkfs.vfat |
| 01:20.04 | absentia | freebsd and w2k won't work |
| 01:39.34 | absentia | progress |
| 01:39.39 | absentia | I think I got it back... |
| 01:39.48 | absentia | although, I wrote files to the card and they all disapeared, I think I know why. |
| 01:40.47 | absentia | no |
| 01:40.47 | absentia | I'm wrong |
| 01:41.00 | absentia | on the Zaurus, the cf card shows a directory "Documents" on the cf |
| 01:41.00 | absentia | nothing else |
| 01:41.18 | absentia | when I mount the card on freebsd, I see the cacko rom stuff, but no Documents |
| 01:41.22 | absentia | it's like a phantom partition or something. |
| 01:41.35 | offroadgeek[760] | ab - who are you talking to? |
| 01:42.00 | absentia | anyone who is willing to listen/help |
| 01:42.16 | offroadgeek[760] | I just got back... whats up? |
| 01:42.16 | absentia | I've been trying to flash X11 rom for days |
| 01:42.22 | absentia | my zauruses won't see any of my cf cards |
| 01:42.31 | absentia | I had formatted them ext2 |
| 01:42.31 | absentia | and now I can't get them back |
| 01:42.37 | absentia | although, I think I have made some progress and am getting close. |
| 01:42.42 | absentia | I now seem to have phantom partitions. |
| 01:43.21 | absentia | on the Z |
| 01:43.24 | offroadgeek[760] | the cf needs to be formated fat to flash |
| 01:43.24 | absentia | my cf has a "Documents" directory on it |
| 01:43.25 | absentia | nothing else |
| 01:43.41 | absentia | but there are supposed to be updater.sh, tools.tar initrd.bin |
| 01:43.48 | absentia | onfreebsd, when I mount... I see those files, but not "Documents" |
| 01:43.52 | absentia | ya |
| 01:43.52 | offroadgeek[760] | yeah, when the card is inserted in the Z, it will automatically create that directory |
| 01:43.53 | absentia | I did that |
| 01:44.03 | absentia | w2k and freebsd |
| 01:44.03 | absentia | it didn't work |
| 01:44.14 | absentia | I tried mkfs.vfat on zaurus, but it told me that I was trying to create a file system that was too large |
| 01:44.20 | absentia | but I finally managed to get it to work |
| 01:44.23 | offroadgeek[760] | you need to reformat the card as fat first |
| 01:44.23 | absentia | mkfs.vfat, that is. |
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| 01:44.26 | absentia | that's when the zaurus started to see it again |
| 01:44.33 | absentia | but now I have the phantom files |
| 01:44.54 | absentia | I type mkfs.vfat |
| 01:44.57 | absentia | then what ? |
| 01:44.57 | offroadgeek[760] | do you have a card reader? |
| 01:45.05 | absentia | yes |
| 01:45.13 | absentia | I'm on my freebsd typing this now |
| 01:45.22 | offroadgeek[760] | you need to format it with your windows box |
| 01:45.43 | absentia | peace [191]> df -k | egrep -i "mnt|mount" |
| 01:45.43 | absentia | Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on |
| 01:45.43 | absentia | peace [192]> ls /mnt |
| 01:45.43 | absentia | initrd.bin readme.txt tools.tar updater.sh |
| 01:45.52 | offroadgeek[760] | I havent had much luck with my linux box formatting my cf as fat |
| 01:45.56 | absentia | but under the Zaurus, all it sees is "Documents" |
| 01:45.56 | absentia | not those files above. |
| 01:46.05 | absentia | when I eject from the Z and put in freebsd, I see those files and not Documents! |
| 01:46.10 | offroadgeek[760] | ok... I dont care about those files right now... |
| 01:46.27 | offroadgeek[760] | can you put the card reader on your xp box? |
| 01:46.31 | absentia | w2k |
| 01:46.34 | absentia | I did that for days |
| 01:46.40 | absentia | but I just ran fdisk |
| 01:46.42 | absentia | I told the partition 1 was type "6" |
| 01:46.44 | absentia | fat16 |
| 01:46.49 | absentia | I'll go try to format now... |
| 01:46.51 | absentia | brb |
| 01:47.34 | offroadgeek[760] | no... use the command prompt... I find that easier |
| 01:47.57 | offroadgeek[760] | format f: -f vat |
| 01:48.13 | offroadgeek[760] | I think thats the proper switch for specifing fs |
| 01:49.25 | absentia | ah |
| 01:49.25 | absentia | I did it with the menu |
| 01:49.34 | absentia | let me see if the zaurus sees it |
| 01:49.40 | absentia | I have to kick my wife off the w2k box |
| 01:49.53 | absentia | and pull out the pcmcia wifi to do this |
| 01:50.30 | absentia | ok |
| 01:50.30 | absentia | it shows up |
| 01:51.02 | offroadgeek[760] | on the z after the format? |
| 01:51.02 | absentia | now back on freebsd |
| 01:51.02 | absentia | yes |
| 01:51.32 | absentia | ah |
| 01:51.38 | absentia | I thkink I know why my files were in the wrong spot |
| 01:51.44 | absentia | I mounted /dev/ad4 instead of /dev/ad4s1 ... |
| 01:51.44 | absentia | ok |
| 01:51.44 | absentia | making sense |
| 01:51.53 | offroadgeek[760] | they need to be in the root of the cf |
| 01:51.53 | absentia | ya |
| 01:51.57 | absentia | there's documents. |
| 01:51.57 | absentia | right |
| 01:52.06 | absentia | but freebsd mounted /ad4 not /ad4s1 ... |
| 01:52.20 | absentia | like ad4s1 ad4s2 ad4s3 ad4s4 |
| 01:52.26 | absentia | I don't know where it found info for just ad4! |
| 01:52.30 | absentia | strange |
| 01:52.39 | absentia | anyway, I'm happier now. I hated phantom files :-> |
| 01:52.48 | absentia | I can see documents on the freebsd, so I can copy to it... |
| 01:52.48 | absentia | this is whatI did before |
| 01:53.02 | absentia | before I used ad4s1, I remember that... but it was giving me errors after I went to ext2... |
| 01:53.39 | absentia | did you flash back from x11 to the old cacko ? |
| 01:53.49 | absentia | I need to try tkc too |
| 01:53.55 | absentia | I'll have a third zaurus soon. |
| 01:53.55 | absentia | that should help |
| 01:54.08 | offroadgeek[760] | which one? |
| 01:54.19 | absentia | 5600 |
| 01:54.19 | offroadgeek[760] | cool |
| 01:54.19 | absentia | I have zdebian on my sd |
| 01:54.19 | absentia | but if I do "wget file" |
| 01:54.24 | absentia | it writes to the sd... and the sd goes unstable! |
| 01:54.32 | absentia | I have to reboot, fsck, et. |
| 01:54.33 | absentia | 100% unusable |
| 01:54.41 | offroadgeek[760] | I have 2 Zs and I really only use one... the other just sits in my drawer |
| 01:54.46 | absentia | I need to find a kernel that doesn't allow that on the sd card |
| 01:54.55 | absentia | ah |
| 01:55.23 | absentia | ok, |
| 01:55.23 | absentia | going to flash. |
| 01:55.29 | absentia | I have a better feeling aobut this |
| 01:55.52 | offroadgeek[760] | you should.. ;) you have the right fs on you cf now |
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| 02:05.20 | absentia_ | ah |
| 02:05.23 | absentia_ | so beautiful |
| 02:06.38 | absentia_ | n |
| 02:07.52 | offroadgeek[760] | so it worked? |
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| 02:07.57 | absentia_ | yes |
| 02:08.01 | offroadgeek[760] | good |
| 02:08.11 | absentia_ | I think the thing I had to do was fdisk and make partition 1 be type 6 |
| 02:08.15 | absentia_ | thank you for listening. |
| 02:08.19 | benr | are network cards avalible for Zaurus? (CF I'd suppose) |
| 02:08.23 | absentia_ | I'm now rsycing down the x11 feed |
| 02:08.28 | benr | using OZ. |
| 02:08.28 | absentia_ | cenr: yes. |
| 02:08.55 | benr | absentia: I can't seem to find a list of tested devices? Any ideas where I could find a list? |
| 02:14.47 | absentia_ | benr: yes, let me look |
| 02:15.00 | absentia_ | I went to google today to look for a program ... and the first link out from google went back to my site |
| 02:15.05 | absentia_ | heheh |
| 02:15.17 | benr | absentia_: i hit google and I'm not finding much. |
| 02:15.24 | benr | absentia_: if you know know its not worries... I'll keep looking. |
| 02:15.42 | absentia_ | I put in "compare zaurus wifi" |
| 02:15.50 | absentia_ | http://www.trowcom.co.uk/Z-Batt.htm |
| 02:15.58 | absentia_ | I have a wcf12, but I've never managed to get it to work |
| 02:16.03 | benr | pdastreet is your site? |
| 02:16.04 | absentia_ | I've had 2 DLINK 660W cards |
| 02:16.07 | _Psycho | my wcf12 work fine ? |
| 02:16.09 | absentia_ | they seem to work fine for me |
| 02:16.17 | _Psycho | well i had to edit a line into the .conf file |
| 02:16.17 | absentia_ | no, www.spy.org/zaurus/zinfo.html |
| 02:16.25 | absentia_ | _psy: ya, and you have to add orinoco drivers |
| 02:16.31 | absentia_ | I'll try javaboy's kernel soon |
| 02:16.35 | benr | absentia_: ah, kool links page |
| 02:17.01 | absentia_ | I need to clean it up a bit |
| 02:17.09 | _Psycho | hmm well on sash rom i think it worked right away |
| 02:17.22 | _Psycho | on sharp rom edit 1 line and its fixed, thats used prism_2 |
| 02:17.25 | absentia_ | ok |
| 02:17.27 | absentia_ | I didn't try |
| 02:17.29 | absentia_ | I could go try now |
| 02:17.33 | absentia_ | I also have x11 rom... |
| 02:17.41 | absentia_ | ya, I couldn't get mine to work, using prism2 |
| 02:17.48 | absentia_ | I'll go try sash now... brb |
| 02:17.49 | absentia_ | I have 1.17 I think |
| 02:18.05 | _Psycho | x11rom was not ok thought with my wcf12 |
| 02:18.11 | _Psycho | i never bothered to check |
| 02:19.57 | benr | wow, wireless is getting cheap. |
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| 02:35.03 | enginuit_Z | Okeydokey, I'm back... |
| 02:35.18 | enginuit_Z | I had to leave all of a sudden |
| 02:35.32 | omin0us|sleeping | absentia: what problems are you having with our ROM? |
| 02:36.11 | enginuit_Z | Now, can anybody tell me what cluster size to use when formatting my CF to use for the flash? |
| 02:36.22 | enginuit_Z | I have 1KB, 2KB, 4KB, and 8KB |
| 02:36.52 | enginuit_Z | I'm all googled out |
| 02:37.08 | enginuit_Z | No mentions of cluster size in regards to flashing a zaurus |
| 02:37.08 | omin0us | cluster size? |
| 02:37.26 | omin0us | you are just trying to format to fat aren't you? |
| 02:37.33 | enginuit_Z | My formatter program gives me two settings: |
| 02:37.37 | enginuit_Z | Filesystem type and cluster size |
| 02:37.43 | enginuit_Z | And it's made specifically for CF cards |
| 02:39.05 | enginuit_Z | I put it on 1KB... |
| 02:39.21 | enginuit_Z | and now I'm gonna try flashing /again/ with my dead zaurus... |
| 02:39.31 | enginuit_Z | hopefully this time it'll work... |
| 02:40.49 | enginuit_Z | I was at school today exploring the D+P menu, and a group of people gathered around (like what usually happens when I try to use any kind of gadget) and some kid came up and said "Man, the graphics SUCK!" |
| 02:41.03 | omin0us | lmao |
| 02:41.58 | omin0us | btw, to format to fat on your CF run these commands |
| 02:42.03 | omin0us | from the console |
| 02:42.08 | omin0us | umount /dev/hda1 |
| 02:42.11 | enginuit_Z | erm... I don't exactly have a console |
| 02:42.20 | enginuit_Z | The thing won't power on |
| 02:42.23 | omin0us | oh |
| 02:42.24 | omin0us | heh |
| 02:42.35 | omin0us | well? what are you using to format with? |
| 02:42.38 | enginuit_Z | Long story... |
| 02:42.53 | enginuit_Z | Anyhow, it all started with my new CF wifi card |
| 02:43.10 | enginuit_Z | I had just gotten it working and was trying to update some stuff in OpenZaurus using Aqpkg |
| 02:43.35 | enginuit_Z | There was a new kernel image available in the packages directory (under "stable"... |
| 02:44.05 | enginuit_Z | So I start the update process, and it deletes several packages, including the kernel, supposedly in order to re-install them |
| 02:44.23 | enginuit_Z | but then the process stops saying it "cannot start the ipkg process" |
| 02:44.37 | enginuit_Z | So the kernel image and modules have been deleted... |
| 02:44.57 | enginuit_Z | So I try to use ipkg from the terminal... |
| 02:45.04 | enginuit_Z | 'cept Konsole won't start |
| 02:45.13 | enginuit_Z | ...and neither will file manager... |
| 02:45.19 | enginuit_Z | ..in fact, all of my apps are "not found". |
| 02:45.42 | enginuit_Z | So I reboot, and of course, get stuck with the OZ logo and a blinking cursor |
| 02:46.07 | enginuit_Z | So I got my friend to hook up his card reader to the school library computer so I can download the images and reflash |
| 02:46.32 | enginuit_Z | And it turns out the reader was not quite finished doing its thing when I unplugged it... |
| 02:46.39 | enginuit_Z | So I flash the ROM... |
| 02:46.42 | enginuit_Z | And the thing won't power up |
| 02:47.04 | enginuit_Z | I plug the reader back into the computer and check the files... |
| 02:47.10 | enginuit_Z | Kernel image reads 0KB. |
| 02:47.21 | enginuit_Z | "crappety crap-crap-crap" says I. |
| 02:47.49 | enginuit_Z | So from that point on, I have been flashing over and over and the thing is still dead |
| 02:48.11 | enginuit_Z | Then somebody told me about the D+P menu, which I thought was only on the C series |
| 02:48.34 | enginuit_Z | And it works, so the device is not fried like I thought before |
| 02:48.42 | enginuit_Z | But I still can't get it to start up |
| 02:48.55 | Captain-Obvious | have you tried flashing from the menu in there? |
| 02:48.59 | enginuit_Z | yup |
| 02:49.02 | Captain-Obvious | you canb start the flash from in ther |
| 02:49.17 | enginuit_Z | Appears to flash normally, except it still won't boot |
| 02:49.26 | enginuit_Z | oooh... |
| 02:49.31 | enginuit_Z | I got my Z used... |
| 02:49.31 | Captain-Obvious | have you had it erase flash? |
| 02:49.42 | enginuit_Z | Maybe the previous guy wrote to the flash a lot... |
| 02:49.47 | enginuit_Z | And it's worn out? |
| 02:49.57 | enginuit_Z | How many writes does it take to do that? |
| 02:50.14 | Captain-Obvious | yo can check |
| 02:50.29 | Captain-Obvious | the d+p menu has a place to check the flash |
| 02:50.40 | enginuit_Z | Yeah... I get a "NG" |
| 02:50.48 | enginuit_Z | of course, it is just checking a checksum |
| 02:50.49 | Captain-Obvious | not checksum |
| 02:50.52 | enginuit_Z | oh |
| 02:50.57 | Captain-Obvious | check the flash |
| 02:51.10 | Captain-Obvious | it can to write tests I think |
| 02:51.14 | enginuit_Z | I think we talked before... for some reason my 5500 doesn't have that option |
| 02:51.20 | Captain-Obvious | just look thrugh all the menus |
| 02:51.21 | enginuit_Z | Only 3 pages in the menu |
| 02:51.34 | enginuit_Z | I've checked |
| 02:51.39 | enginuit_Z | Although it can't hurt to check again... |
| 02:51.40 | enginuit_Z | brb |
| 02:52.48 | Captain-Obvious | my 5500 has 4 pages (as far a I can remember) |
| 02:52.54 | Captain-Obvious | and my 5000d has 4 pages |
| 02:54.01 | enginuit_Z | OK, I just confirmed... |
| 02:54.05 | enginuit_Z | 3 pages... |
| 02:54.15 | Captain-Obvious | what do you see on the pages? |
| 02:54.23 | enginuit_Z | and the only flash-related option is "Flash (SUM)" |
| 02:54.29 | enginuit_Z | Page 1: |
| 02:54.44 | Captain-Obvious | and it says page 1/3? |
| 02:55.09 | enginuit_Z | Com adj setting, aging, battery voltage adjust, touch panel, lcd+led, irda, main keyboard, slide keyboard, earphone, front light |
| 02:55.19 | enginuit_Z | "DIAG MENU(1/3)" |
| 02:55.22 | Captain-Obvious | hmm |
| 02:55.24 | Captain-Obvious | werid |
| 02:55.49 | enginuit_Z | Page 2: Idle mode, 16pin, SD card, low battery, ram, compact flash, flash (SUM), sounder, remocon, charge |
| 02:56.18 | enginuit_Z | Page 3: 1. IrDA Checker 4. Clear Diag Flag 7. CF Update 10. Normal Diag mode |
| 02:56.35 | enginuit_Z | 2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 9 are blank |
| 02:56.48 | Captain-Obvious | whats under normal diag mode? |
| 02:57.07 | enginuit_Z | It writes a boot flag... |
| 02:57.14 | enginuit_Z | so when you turn it on it goes straight to the diag menu |
| 02:57.21 | enginuit_Z | instead of trying to boot |
| 02:57.25 | Captain-Obvious | k |
| 02:57.41 | enginuit_Z | The version here is 2.38 |
| 02:58.05 | enginuit_Z | Down in the mid-lower right |
| 02:58.09 | Captain-Obvious | have you tried the sharp rom? |
| 02:58.12 | Captain-Obvious | 3.10? |
| 02:58.25 | enginuit_Z | Well I think 2.38 is the HW version |
| 02:58.29 | Captain-Obvious | I know that the sharp rom writes a new boot loader |
| 02:58.32 | enginuit_Z | ooh |
| 02:58.37 | enginuit_Z | okeydokey |
| 02:58.40 | enginuit_Z | In that case... |
| 02:58.41 | enginuit_Z | brb |
| 02:59.10 | enginuit_Z | Hmm, I wonder if the area with this diag menu is writable? |
| 02:59.21 | enginuit_Z | It seems like it would be hard-coded into a chip somewhere... |
| 02:59.22 | Captain-Obvious | dont know |
| 02:59.31 | Captain-Obvious | maybe |
| 02:59.37 | enginuit_Z | K, I'll try the sharp rom anyway |
| 02:59.39 | Captain-Obvious | but I doubt it |
| 02:59.48 | Captain-Obvious | all you can do it make it worse :) |
| 03:00.53 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 03:03.18 | omin0us | enginuit_Z: how do you get the special menu on a 5x00? i've gotten it on my C760, but i can't get it to work on my 5500 |
| 03:03.28 | Captain-Obvious | omin0us, d+p |
| 03:03.28 | omin0us | or is that only on the 56-- |
| 03:03.32 | omin0us | 5600? |
| 03:03.41 | Captain-Obvious | omin0us, d+p+fullreset |
| 03:03.46 | omin0us | ok |
| 03:03.48 | Captain-Obvious | 5x00 |
| 03:03.57 | Captain-Obvious | dont know about 5600 |
| 03:04.38 | omin0us | wow, i had no clue the 5500 had that same menu |
| 03:05.27 | Captain-Obvious | does yours have 4 pages? |
| 03:07.00 | Captain-Obvious | hmmm |
| 03:07.05 | Captain-Obvious | flash aging |
| 03:08.18 | omin0us | nope |
| 03:08.19 | omin0us | 3 |
| 03:08.39 | enginuit_Z | What do I do with an "OSPACK" fiLE? |
| 03:08.48 | omin0us | put it in the root of the CF |
| 03:08.59 | omin0us | keep it named exactly OSPACK |
| 03:09.07 | enginuit_Z | and flash the same way I would with an initrd.bin and a zImage? |
| 03:09.14 | enginuit_Z | C+D? |
| 03:09.24 | Captain-Obvious | make sure you dont have anything else in the root dir |
| 03:09.30 | Captain-Obvious | yes |
| 03:09.32 | enginuit_Z | k |
| 03:09.50 | enginuit_Z | k, here we go... |
| 03:09.57 | enginuit_Z | Freshly formatted Fat16 card... |
| 03:10.04 | enginuit_Z | OSPACK in the root dir... |
| 03:10.13 | omin0us | good luck :) |
| 03:10.18 | Captain-Obvious | gl |
| 03:10.18 | enginuit_Z | Idunno, should I hit CF Update in the menu, or do the C+D thing? |
| 03:10.29 | Captain-Obvious | just do the c+d |
| 03:10.38 | omin0us | yeah, i never knew about the menu |
| 03:10.38 | enginuit_Z | I've still got a few more MB to download here, so I have some time to think :) |
| 03:10.44 | omin0us | so i wouldn't want to monkey with it too much |
| 03:10.53 | enginuit_Z | Sharp's server is really slow |
| 03:11.02 | omin0us | you know, this exact same thing happened to my Z when i first got it. |
| 03:11.12 | omin0us | 2 times in a row withing a week and a half of each other |
| 03:11.17 | enginuit_Z | Whad'd you do? |
| 03:11.22 | omin0us | i ended up having to send it to sharp both times |
| 03:11.28 | omin0us | as it wouldn't do anything |
| 03:11.34 | enginuit_Z | Oh boy :) |
| 03:11.37 | enginuit_Z | That sounds fun |
| 03:11.37 | Captain-Obvious | enginuit_Z, mine says about the checksum NG. csum=ffffffff, sum=8f |
| 03:11.53 | enginuit_Z | Mine has a crazy number for csum |
| 03:11.56 | omin0us | now that i know about the menu, i wonder if it would have been able to get to that menu and if i would have been able to do anything from there to have fixed it |
| 03:12.18 | enginuit_Z | k, OSPACK is writing to the CF right now |
| 03:12.23 | omin0us | k |
| 03:12.46 | absentia_ | re |
| 03:12.48 | enginuit_Z | what bugs the crap outta me is that this reader doesn't support the "eject" function... |
| 03:12.57 | omin0us | hello absentia |
| 03:13.05 | absentia_ | I'm going to try your nethack now |
| 03:13.05 | omin0us | whats up |
| 03:13.07 | absentia_ | under x11 |
| 03:13.15 | absentia_ | I finally got my CF to be formatted right |
| 03:13.17 | absentia_ | why didn't you do 3.4.2 ? |
| 03:13.17 | enginuit_Z | I hit eject in Windoze and the card stays mounted |
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| 03:13.50 | enginuit_Z | And so if some program tries to use it right when I'm pulling it out (not that it's too likely) i'm screwed |
| 03:14.10 | omin0us | because it was easier to get 3.4.0 working |
| 03:14.25 | omin0us | i am working on a lot right now, so i didn't have a lot of time to work with it |
| 03:14.26 | enginuit_Z | Great, my Z's gone |
| 03:14.31 | enginuit_Z | Physically I mean |
| 03:14.41 | enginuit_Z | It was right here on the desk... |
| 03:14.42 | omin0us | that was just kind of something i packaged for fun |
| 03:14.59 | absentia_ | 3.4.2 gives problems ? |
| 03:15.06 | omin0us | if i have time, i'll try to get 3.4.2 working |
| 03:15.06 | absentia_ | well, I thank you for it |
| 03:15.56 | enginuit_Z | uh oh, is the Z /supposed/ to rattle when you shake it? |
| 03:15.57 | omin0us | i wish i could get Pheonix Eye or what ever it is on the Z |
| 03:16.03 | enginuit_Z | This just keeps getting better and better |
| 03:16.03 | omin0us | but it requires 800x600 min |
| 03:16.13 | absentia_ | yes |
| 03:16.14 | omin0us | :( |
| 03:16.18 | absentia_ | really? |
| 03:16.23 | omin0us | yeah |
| 03:16.24 | absentia_ | that's a damn shame |
| 03:16.29 | omin0us | yeah, i know |
| 03:16.40 | absentia_ | maybe we could get a virtual screen size under the x11 rom |
| 03:16.43 | absentia_ | seems feasible! |
| 03:16.55 | absentia_ | falcon eye is pretty neat |
| 03:16.58 | absentia_ | look into crossfire, too |
| 03:17.04 | absentia_ | it's multi player. |
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| 03:17.16 | enginuit_Z | I found my Z (which has now developed a rattle), but now I can't find my CF card... |
| 03:18.40 | enginuit_Z | feck feck feck |
| 03:18.54 | enginuit_Z | I just stepped on a box full of electronic parts |
| 03:19.05 | enginuit_Z | Catapult effect... |
| 03:19.21 | absentia_ | hate that |
| 03:19.28 | omin0us | absentia_: are there huge diffs from 3.4.0 and 3.4.2? |
| 03:19.33 | enginuit_Z | I have about 15 pounds of tiny little components spread out across my floor |
| 03:19.36 | enginuit_Z | Worse, it's carpet |
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| 03:19.49 | Captain-Obvious | rev! |
| 03:20.25 | enginuit_Z | Flashing now |
| 03:20.28 | absentia_ | the default term with x11 rom needs to be able to get 80x24 with the font |
| 03:20.31 | absentia_ | right now, the font is too large. |
| 03:20.34 | enginuit_Z | I hope I can get this working... |
| 03:20.34 | rev | hey! |
| 03:20.53 | omin0us | the font? it should be graphical? |
| 03:21.03 | omin0us | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:21.19 | enginuit_Z | I'm tired of people telling me that my "Palm Pilot" has "sucky graphics", while working in the diag menu |
| 03:21.25 | enginuit_Z | That is SO freakin' annoying |
| 03:21.25 | rev | hahahahahahaha |
| 03:21.26 | rev | SUCKER |
| 03:21.27 | absentia_ | in the termjinal |
| 03:21.34 | absentia_ | with rox, I sent a window to screen 2 |
| 03:21.38 | absentia_ | so now how do I get back to screen 1 ? |
| 03:21.40 | rev | the ironic thing is that they're so right at the same time |
| 03:21.41 | rev | brb |
| 03:21.41 | omin0us | but when you run xnethack from the console, it should bring up a graphical version of it |
| 03:21.55 | absentia_ | om: not nethack |
| 03:21.56 | Captain-Obvious | well you can tell them that thier pda sucks becouse it doesnt have a diag menu |
| 03:21.57 | absentia_ | just the x11 rom |
| 03:21.58 | absentia_ | the aterm |
| 03:22.01 | enginuit_Z | lol |
| 03:22.02 | omin0us | ctrl(calender) + 2 |
| 03:22.06 | absentia_ | the font doesn't allow for zn 80 x24 screen |
| 03:22.07 | omin0us | then click on desktop |
| 03:22.12 | enginuit_Z | Yeah, my friend botched a flash on his Ipaq... |
| 03:22.19 | absentia_ | huh? |
| 03:22.23 | enginuit_Z | $200 paperweight |
| 03:22.43 | absentia_ | I also need to recalibrate |
| 03:22.48 | absentia_ | my calibration is off a bit |
| 03:22.50 | enginuit_Z | Apparently he tried to do it without the power plugged in... |
| 03:22.57 | enginuit_Z | And the battery went dead halfway through |
| 03:22.57 | Captain-Obvious | hrm |
| 03:23.12 | omin0us | absentia_: calander + 2 |
| 03:23.17 | omin0us | then click the screen |
| 03:23.30 | omin0us | that will emulate a middle mouse click and give you a menu to switch desktops |
| 03:23.35 | omin0us | to recalibrate |
| 03:23.40 | omin0us | read the FAQ |
| 03:23.41 | enginuit_Z | Anybody know what kind of battery is used for the backup in the Z? |
| 03:23.43 | omin0us | or... |
| 03:23.47 | enginuit_Z | Thought it was a supercap... |
| 03:23.57 | enginuit_Z | But I put a resistor across it for a while with no voltage drop |
| 03:24.07 | enginuit_Z | no *significant* voltage drop at least |
| 03:24.09 | omin0us | rm /etc/pointercal_tslib |
| 03:24.11 | Captain-Obvious | lit-ion buttoncell |
| 03:24.12 | omin0us | then reboot |
| 03:24.23 | enginuit_Z | So now I'm thinking it's one of those lithium button cells |
| 03:24.23 | enginuit_Z | ah |
| 03:24.27 | enginuit_Z | wasn't looking |
| 03:24.28 | absentia_ | ah |
| 03:24.28 | absentia_ | ok |
| 03:24.35 | enginuit_Z | Is it rechargeable? |
| 03:24.39 | Captain-Obvious | yep |
| 03:24.44 | enginuit_Z | ah |
| 03:24.47 | absentia_ | ya, the fn+2 is lame... that should be mapped to just calendar.... ok, let me reboot |
| 03:24.59 | enginuit_Z | OK, so I'll just try a lower-value resistor |
| 03:25.03 | enginuit_Z | OOH, this is a change... |
| 03:25.14 | Captain-Obvious | what? |
| 03:25.17 | enginuit_Z | not necessarily good tho... |
| 03:25.23 | enginuit_Z | It finished flashing but the orange light didn't go out |
| 03:25.23 | absentia_ | I love this rom just for scite :-> |
| 03:25.26 | enginuit_Z | Does this mean it's charging? |
| 03:25.34 | enginuit_Z | It wouldn't charge before... |
| 03:25.34 | Captain-Obvious | its charging |
| 03:25.38 | omin0us | absentia_: that will all change soon. as our Xserver we are using now is kinda limited, but we are going to be using a new Xserver that is much better |
| 03:25.47 | omin0us | sash is sending me over some stuff tonight for it |
| 03:25.49 | absentia_ | ay |
| 03:25.50 | omin0us | to test on |
| 03:25.50 | absentia_ | you work on this rom |
| 03:25.52 | absentia_ | good deal |
| 03:25.57 | omin0us | yeah |
| 03:26.04 | omin0us | i'm part of the Cacko devel team |
| 03:26.08 | enginuit_Z | IT BOOTS |
| 03:26.11 | Captain-Obvious | :) |
| 03:26.13 | enginuit_Z | HAL-LALUJAH |
| 03:26.15 | omin0us | youngest one on it :) |
| 03:26.16 | enginuit_Z | (sp?) |
| 03:26.22 | enginuit_Z | lol |
| 03:26.26 | Captain-Obvious | its bootloader got messed up |
| 03:26.30 | enginuit_Z | cool |
| 03:26.36 | absentia_ | cooll |
| 03:26.36 | absentia_ | congrats |
| 03:26.40 | enginuit_Z | Yeah, I downloaded the first (original) rom |
| 03:26.41 | enginuit_Z | ok, thanks |
| 03:26.44 | Captain-Obvious | and the sharp rom fixed it |
| 03:26.46 | enginuit_Z | :) :) |
| 03:26.52 | enginuit_Z | gotta go |
| 03:26.52 | enginuit_Z | thanks all! |
| 03:26.54 | Captain-Obvious | now, quick! update to OZ |
| 03:26.58 | omin0us | http://www.cacko.biz/index.php?showid=23&menuid=4 |
| 03:27.00 | enginuit_Z | lol., I will |
| 03:27.01 | enginuit_Z | byes |
| 03:27.04 | enginuit_Z | bye* |
| 03:27.11 | absentia_ | ok |
| 03:27.11 | omin0us | i'm the one one the bottom row. Anthony |
| 03:27.13 | absentia_ | recalibrated |
| 03:27.58 | absentia_ | ah |
| 03:28.00 | absentia_ | haircut dude |
| 03:28.02 | omin0us | lol |
| 03:28.10 | omin0us | naw, the girls like it |
| 03:28.11 | omin0us | hehe |
| 03:28.32 | absentia_ | (and so do some of the boys, gotta watch out) |
| 03:28.50 | omin0us | lmao, yeah. this is also true |
| 03:29.14 | absentia_ | heheh |
| 03:39.12 | rev | back |
| 03:40.25 | absentia_ | hmmm |
| 03:40.27 | absentia_ | need to get dillo for this rom too |
| 03:42.32 | treke|ho1e | ick :) |
| 03:42.34 | rev | chukov looks like my russian organic chem TA |
| 03:42.38 | rev | i thought you said dildo |
| 03:42.38 | rev | doh |
| 03:42.39 | treke|ho1e | minimo man, minimo |
| 03:43.19 | absentia_ | ah |
| 03:43.20 | absentia_ | yes |
| 03:43.23 | absentia_ | minimo |
| 03:43.56 | absentia_ | treke: not... minimo is fine |
| 03:43.57 | absentia_ | just small, fast. |
| 03:45.10 | absentia_ | is there a version of minimo for the Z yet? |
| 03:47.28 | absentia_ | ominous: here's an idea for an app ... you press "calendar" and it shows you the left mouse button (a flash up on the screen, then disappears) .... |
| 03:47.45 | absentia_ | press it again, it goes to middle button, same display, etc... press it again, it goes to third button... etc. |
| 03:48.36 | rev | dillllllo |
| 03:49.02 | absentia_ | dillo is 300k |
| 03:49.09 | absentia_ | can't get much minimo than that |
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| 03:50.12 | rev | well |
| 03:50.12 | rev | no |
| 03:50.15 | rev | links is even bigger |
| 03:50.15 | rev | well |
| 03:50.15 | rev | actually |
| 03:50.16 | rev | you can get minimo |
| 03:50.18 | rev | just a sec |
| 03:50.30 | rev | i'm going to see how big squeak's "Scamper' browser is |
| 03:50.58 | absentia_ | ah |
| 03:51.02 | absentia_ | there is a dillo |
| 03:51.02 | absentia_ | I see it in the feed |
| 03:52.12 | rev | Scamper is only like 60k |
| 03:52.21 | rev | including all of the url library |
| 03:52.21 | rev | without that, it's only 33k |
| 03:52.22 | absentia_ | nice |
| 03:54.29 | rev | it's abut the level of dillo |
| 03:54.32 | rev | er |
| 03:54.36 | rev | dillo does more |
| 03:54.36 | rev | but |
| 03:54.36 | rev | :) |
| 03:56.16 | treke|ho1e | thats pretty bad :) |
| 03:58.30 | rev | haha |
| 03:58.30 | rev | yes |
| 03:58.33 | rev | but meh |
| 03:58.36 | rev | it's l333t!! |
| 03:58.37 | rev | see |
| 03:58.45 | rev | i can yank an image out of a webpage and throw it on a desktop |
| 03:58.53 | rev | much cooler than dillo |
| 03:58.54 | rev | :D |
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| 05:18.58 | enginuit_Z | I am so happy to have my Zaurus back |
| 05:19.07 | enginuit_Z | It's working perfectly now |
| 05:19.25 | absentia_ | :-) |
| 05:20.13 | enginuit_Z | WiFi is really cool |
| 05:20.40 | enginuit_Z | And I love the taskbar applet that comes with OZ |
| 05:20.45 | enginuit_Z | (for WiFi) |
| 05:21.07 | enginuit_Z | You can set the signal strength graph to refresh up to like 10 times a second |
| 05:21.45 | enginuit_Z | So it's great for playing with waveguides and antennas because you can immediately see how the signal is affected |
| 05:22.00 | enginuit_Z | as opposed to watching a little bar graph that updates every second or two |
| 05:22.06 | omin0us | enginuit_Z: howd you get it to work again? |
| 05:22.25 | enginuit_Z | Flashed the very first Sharp ROM |
| 05:22.29 | omin0us | oh |
| 05:22.32 | enginuit_Z | which apparently contains the bootloader |
| 05:22.32 | omin0us | nice |
| 05:22.39 | omin0us | i see |
| 05:23.00 | Captain-Obvious | I help him! |
| 05:23.12 | absentia_ | :-) |
| 05:23.16 | enginuit_Z | Thanks Captain Obvious! |
| 05:23.17 | enginuit_Z | lol |
| 05:23.19 | Captain-Obvious | :) |
| 05:23.20 | omin0us | lmao |
| 05:23.31 | omin0us | woah... |
| 05:23.40 | omin0us | C-O is W8TVI |
| 05:23.44 | omin0us | lol |
| 05:23.47 | enginuit_Z | And I'm KG6SGY |
| 05:23.59 | rev | wait a second |
| 05:24.10 | rev | i never even thought of your nick as your callsign |
| 05:24.10 | rev | doh |
| 05:24.10 | rev | man |
| 05:24.12 | rev | what a tard |
| 05:24.13 | rev | hah |
| 05:24.15 | omin0us | and i'm Mickeyl |
| 05:24.19 | absentia_ | haha |
| 05:24.26 | W8TVI | yeah, right |
| 05:24.28 | omin0us | lol |
| 05:24.31 | omin0us | ok, mabey not |
| 05:24.31 | rev | heh |
| 05:24.35 | rev | my dad is kn0v |
| 05:24.43 | rev | though i'm nothing myself |
| 05:24.45 | enginuit_Z | If I wasn't using this cheap web-based client on Zaurus DevNet, I'd be randomly changing my nick right now... |
| 05:24.46 | omin0us | never heard of kn0v |
| 05:24.48 | rev | been to many hamfests though :) |
| 05:25.00 | omin0us | heh |
| 05:25.03 | rev | he only goes on lately to contest |
| 05:25.13 | rev | he used to be on all the time, but not so much in the last few years |
| 05:26.07 | W8TVI | I almost never talk on the radio |
| 05:26.12 | Taim | wassup? |
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| 05:26.44 | enginuit_Z | This is so cool, I've found people who are into Linux, Handhelds, and amateur radio all in the same place |
| 05:26.50 | omin0us | yeah |
| 05:27.02 | gshin | Anyone using OpenZaurus in their Sharp SL-5600 Zaurus??? |
| 05:27.15 | omin0us | nope, don't own a 500 |
| 05:27.18 | omin0us | 5600* |
| 05:27.22 | enginuit_Z | I wish I had one o' those babies |
| 05:27.32 | rev | dude |
| 05:27.33 | rev | 5600 |
| 05:27.33 | gshin | Anyone using OpenZaurus in their Sharp SL-5600 Zaurus??? |
| 05:27.36 | rev | why bother |
| 05:27.40 | enginuit_Z | I like that they kept the form factor of the 5x00 |
| 05:27.40 | rev | it sucks |
| 05:27.48 | rev | if you're going to spend that money, may as well get a c7x0 |
| 05:27.59 | rev | gshin: no |
| 05:28.02 | gshin | To anyone using 5600, are you using OpenZaurus? |
| 05:28.08 | enginuit_Z | Even though the processor's inherently defective, it's still a slight boost in speed |
| 05:28.13 | Taim | gshin: I don't have a 56000 |
| 05:28.20 | Taim | gshin: I don't have a 5600 |
| 05:28.27 | gshin | Yes, i want c7x0 also. |
| 05:28.29 | Taim | to gshin 5600 I don't have |
| 05:28.30 | Taim | :) |
| 05:28.41 | enginuit_Z | And even though the goofy battery makes an ugly bulge, it's over twice the capacity |
| 05:28.48 | Taim | gshin: problems w/ 5600 and OZ? |
| 05:28.52 | rev | slight? |
| 05:29.07 | enginuit_Z | But most importantly... it has a microphone and a real speaker, built-in |
| 05:29.07 | rev | in some things the 400 MHz PXA250 is slower than a StrongARM SA-1100 @ 206 MHz |
| 05:29.13 | rev | yeah |
| 05:29.15 | rev | but still hs the same shit scree |
| 05:29.16 | rev | n |
| 05:29.19 | rev | which is a shame |
| 05:29.19 | enginuit_Z | yeah |
| 05:29.28 | enginuit_Z | I wish it was a little brighter |
| 05:29.30 | enginuit_Z | And less "deep" |
| 05:29.33 | gshin | Taim: sort of. the 3.3.5 version of OpenZaurus runs okay, but i'm trying to find a way to disable the debug texts at the bottom of the screen. |
| 05:29.46 | gshin | OpenZaurus rocks!!! |
| 05:29.57 | enginuit_Z | The display is like half a cm down from the surface of the digitizer |
| 05:30.09 | enginuit_Z | Makes it hard to use accurately when looking from an angle |
| 05:30.14 | enginuit_Z | And I don't care for the sidelight either |
| 05:30.23 | Taim | gshin: easy there killer. Okay. Debug text? What do you mean by that? Can you /msg me what's outputting? |
| 05:30.36 | enginuit_Z | Spits most of the light straight out the other side |
| 05:30.37 | enginuit_Z | Makes a neat flashlight |
| 05:30.52 | enginuit_Z | But is a bad strategy for a screen |
| 05:31.04 | enginuit_Z | I saw an iPaq 5455 the other day... |
| 05:31.15 | enginuit_Z | Despite the fact that the fingerprint reader is a joke... |
| 05:31.19 | enginuit_Z | as is the built-in wifi... |
| 05:31.32 | enginuit_Z | She screen is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen |
| 05:31.52 | gshin | So frequently at the bottom of the display, OpenZaurus prints out Linux kernel debug messages. I know that 3.3.5 is a beta version and OpenZaurus claims regular user shouldn't be using it. But i couldn't wait. |
| 05:32.14 | Taim | hrmm... |
| 05:32.31 | enginuit_Z | Hmm |
| 05:32.38 | gshin | The new PocketPC from Toshiba, i believe it's their e805 unit, the TFT screen displaying 640x480 resolution is HOT!!! |
| 05:32.38 | enginuit_Z | I've been using 3.3.5 |
| 05:32.42 | enginuit_Z | Never had a problem |
| 05:32.49 | rev | i got you all beat |
| 05:32.51 | rev | my pda has 800x480 res |
| 05:32.52 | rev | so there :D |
| 05:32.54 | enginuit_Z | Although I wish the buzzer DSP driver worked right |
| 05:32.58 | Taim | what VT does QTopia run on? |
| 05:32.58 | enginuit_Z | 800x480? |
| 05:33.02 | enginuit_Z | What you got? |
| 05:33.07 | gshin | enginuit_Z: you are using 3.3.5 on 5600? |
| 05:33.07 | rev | i've yet to see the e805 :/ i wish best buy would start carrying them |
| 05:33.12 | rev | enginuit_Z: sigmarion III |
| 05:34.21 | enginuit_Z | gshin: I have a SL-5500 |
| 05:34.29 | enginuit_Z | But no problems whatsoever |
| 05:34.34 | enginuit_Z | With 3.3.5 |
| 05:34.36 | enginuit_Z | Except... |
| 05:34.58 | enginuit_Z | Aqpkg deleted my kernel image and crashed before it could reinstall it |
| 05:35.14 | gshin | Hmmm, maybe 3.3.5 on SL-5600 is different. |
| 05:37.45 | enginuit_Z | Oh man, Opera on the Sharp ROM is really fast |
| 05:37.57 | enginuit_Z | Twice as fast as IE on PocketPC |
| 05:38.01 | enginuit_Z | Three times! |
| 05:38.16 | enginuit_Z | I see why so many people rip it from the ROM |
| 05:38.54 | rev | hah |
| 05:38.58 | rev | not faster than wince on my machine |
| 05:39.01 | rev | though pocketpc IE blows |
| 05:39.04 | rev | it's ver crippled |
| 05:39.09 | rev | opera is a nice browser though |
| 05:39.11 | rev | wish i could get it for WinCE |
| 05:39.37 | enginuit_Z | My iPaq 3765 takes forever to load a page |
| 05:39.45 | enginuit_Z | 206 arm |
| 05:39.55 | rev | exactly |
| 05:39.56 | rev | like i said |
| 05:40.01 | rev | PocketPC IE is crippled |
| 05:40.03 | rev | very |
| 05:40.17 | enginuit_Z | Yup |
| 05:40.20 | rev | the same CPU and RAM in a vanilla WinCE machine with vanilla IE for CE is a lot faster |
| 05:40.24 | enginuit_Z | I think my iPaq's Microsoft days are drawing to an end... |
| 05:40.29 | rev | and more important renders the page like a desktop woujld |
| 05:40.40 | rev | rather than the crap PPC tries to pass off |
| 05:40.44 | rev | but that was a joranda 720 handheld pc not a PPC |
| 05:41.03 | enginuit_Z | OpenZaurus has an image for iPaq 37XX :D |
| 05:41.20 | enginuit_Z | You know what I was thinking... |
| 05:41.53 | enginuit_Z | There are linux utilities that work with the Barbie Digital Camera I got for $2 at Goodwill... |
| 05:42.06 | enginuit_Z | If I could compile them for the ARM processor... |
| 05:42.18 | enginuit_Z | And hook the thing to my Z... |
| 05:42.19 | rev | barbie camera, heh |
| 05:42.23 | enginuit_Z | I could have a walking webcam |
| 05:42.27 | rev | how does it hook up? |
| 05:42.28 | enginuit_Z | RS232 |
| 05:42.28 | rev | what kind of port? |
| 05:42.31 | rev | ah |
| 05:42.34 | rev | actually |
| 05:42.34 | enginuit_Z | That's the beauty |
| 05:42.37 | rev | i ujsed to have a webcam that worked with my newton |
| 05:42.43 | rev | and i ran the "asscam" |
| 05:42.49 | enginuit_Z | In fact, I can control it by hand from a terminal emulator |
| 05:42.51 | rev | i had the camera pointing off from my back |
| 05:42.52 | enginuit_Z | lol |
| 05:42.56 | rev | and then served it via wifi |
| 05:42.56 | rev | :) |
| 05:42.56 | enginuit_Z | lol |
| 05:43.00 | enginuit_Z | That's pretty funny |
| 05:43.06 | rev | it was tres nerdie |
| 05:43.10 | enginuit_Z | I mean, uh, "lmao" |
| 05:43.13 | rev | i always wanted multiple newtons then |
| 05:43.19 | rev | so i could have a cluster |
| 05:43.26 | rev | that would've been even better! |
| 05:43.39 | enginuit_Z | I'm thinking maybe I'll use my iPaq as a roaming web server... |
| 05:43.46 | rev | mmhmm |
| 05:43.48 | enginuit_Z | With the Barbie camera... |
| 05:43.50 | rev | i want to get cell net access |
| 05:43.55 | enginuit_Z | And use my Zaurus for everything else |
| 05:44.03 | rev | $30/mo unlimited cell network access through tmobile and a CF card |
| 05:44.10 | enginuit_Z | not bad |
| 05:44.11 | rev | wince drivers only tho |
| 05:44.14 | rev | not at all |
| 05:44.26 | enginuit_Z | The only issue is that when I roam between Wifi networks, I have to get different IP's |
| 05:44.33 | rev | yeah |
| 05:44.38 | rev | get a dyndns client |
| 05:44.47 | enginuit_Z | What's that do? |
| 05:45.05 | rev | see dyndns.org |
| 05:45.11 | rev | you get a domain |
| 05:45.16 | rev | like eng.dyndns.org or eng.2y.net |
| 05:45.19 | rev | and a client |
| 05:45.36 | rev | and the client updates their DNS table to reflect your current ip |
| 05:45.50 | rev | a lot of routers support it- on my wifi/ethernet router i can tell it to update that dns server info if my ip changes |
| 05:46.11 | enginuit_Z | cool |
| 05:46.40 | enginuit_Z | Of course, the easiest way would be to just have the iPaq/Zaurus just ftp the image onto my static server at home |
| 05:46.51 | enginuit_Z | But still... |
| 05:47.07 | enginuit_Z | I think it would be soo freakin' cool to say I have a web server running in my pocket |
| 05:47.56 | enginuit_Z | And it would make a good story to tell to my future kids explaining the tumor on my butt :) |
| 05:48.17 | enginuit_Z | Ya know what's cool... |
| 05:48.39 | enginuit_Z | I can run WiFi at 100 watts on channel 6 with my technician-class amateur radio license |
| 05:49.00 | rev | heh |
| 05:49.05 | rev | really? |
| 05:49.06 | rev | wow |
| 05:49.07 | rev | that's sweet |
| 05:49.11 | enginuit_Z | Of course, that /would/ involve carrying a linear amp and a really big battery around... |
| 05:49.14 | rev | didn't know of that special right |
| 05:49.20 | rev | and a tech lic is easy to get too |
| 05:49.22 | rev | hahaha |
| 05:49.23 | rev | that'd RULE! |
| 05:49.25 | rev | and oyu know it |
| 05:49.30 | enginuit_Z | I have privs in most of the microwave bands |
| 05:49.43 | enginuit_Z | I can transmit up to 1500 watts in some places |
| 05:49.59 | enginuit_Z | Not that I can afford that kind of equipment... |
| 05:50.07 | enginuit_Z | But it's a cool idea... |
| 05:50.18 | rev | yeah |
| 05:50.40 | enginuit_Z | A 35-question test gave me the right to freely operate transmitters powerful enough to boil someone's brains |
| 05:50.58 | enginuit_Z | Our microwave oven puts out 900 watts... |
| 05:51.37 | enginuit_Z | Actually, people used to stand in front of microwave dishes to keep warm |
| 05:51.43 | enginuit_Z | (in the military) |
| 05:51.50 | enginuit_Z | Surprisingly, most are still around to tell about it |
| 05:51.58 | enginuit_Z | The real hazard is heating of the brain |
| 05:52.09 | enginuit_Z | The rest of the body doesn't seem to be affected that much |
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| 05:54.03 | rev | heh |
| 05:54.04 | rev | damn shame that |
| 05:54.26 | enginuit_Z | lol |
| 05:54.30 | enginuit_Z | Wow, Opera rocks |
| 05:54.48 | enginuit_Z | Now I gotta read the FAQ's and figure out how to rip it |
| 05:54.59 | enginuit_Z | Along with the Hancom stuff |
| 05:56.33 | rev | mmhmm |
| 05:56.38 | omin0us | for pda's Dillo > * |
| 05:56.38 | rev | netfront is ver nice too |
| 05:56.41 | rev | haha |
| 05:56.42 | rev | dillo < * |
| 05:56.43 | omin0us | fast++ |
| 05:56.47 | mclaren | anyone knows the status of the linux kernel on zaurus? are they upgrading soon? |
| 05:56.55 | rev | mclaren: upgrading to what? |
| 05:57.07 | mclaren | to the latest one... |
| 05:57.09 | omin0us | how do you get that dillo < * on the z? |
| 05:57.19 | omin0us | mclaren: 2.6.0 is the latest |
| 05:57.43 | omin0us | dillo on Z is faster than any browser i've used |
| 05:57.50 | mclaren | on SL5600, from the Sharp distro, they're still using 2.4.18... |
| 05:58.01 | rev | omin0us: well, simply because i like every browser i've used on the zaurus more than dillo |
| 05:58.02 | rev | seems simple enough |
| 05:58.04 | enginuit_Z | Hey, it turns out you can just download the hancom stuff... |
| 05:58.05 | mclaren | 2.6 just released yesterday!!! |
| 05:58.09 | rev | enginuit_Z: and opera too |
| 05:58.12 | omin0us | no shit |
| 05:58.17 | rev | and those other broesers are opera 6, netfront, and links |
| 05:58.23 | enginuit_Z | You just put in your device serial number |
| 05:58.24 | omin0us | and that is the most current |
| 05:58.24 | enginuit_Z | Stupid me |
| 05:58.29 | omin0us | i didn't say most current on the Zaurus |
| 05:58.35 | rev | enginuit_Z: i d/l'd without even having to do that :) |
| 05:58.37 | omin0us | just most current released linux kernel |
| 05:59.05 | omin0us | rev: i know what the others are, but they are so slow compared to Dillo |
| 05:59.17 | rev | well |
| 05:59.27 | rev | i'm sure that dillo may be a third of a second faster on loading many pages |
| 05:59.31 | omin0us | rev: although if you want slow. Me and Sash got Full Konqueror running on our ROM |
| 05:59.31 | enginuit_Z | Uh oh, there /is no serial number on the back of my device!/ |
| 05:59.39 | rev | but the quality of the render is so much higher that i'm willing to wait that whole 300 ms |
| 05:59.44 | rev | big deal |
| 05:59.52 | omin0us | rev: no, its way faster compared to the others |
| 05:59.54 | enginuit_Z | rev: you were saying... |
| 05:59.54 | rev | ah, i forgot konq- i liked that more than dillo too |
| 06:00.02 | rev | enginuit_Z: about what? |
| 06:00.11 | enginuit_Z | rev: downloading hancom |
| 06:00.28 | enginuit_Z | rev: I can't find my serial number on my device |
| 06:00.28 | omin0us | rev: no, not the konq- embedded. Full blown Konqueror from KDE |
| 06:00.43 | rev | enginuit_Z: ah, can't remember where |
| 06:00.43 | omin0us | it took like a minute just to Start Konqueror |
| 06:00.48 | omin0us | heh |
| 06:00.49 | rev | omin0us: i know, but i'm saying- i forgot it, and that i liked it more than dillo |
| 06:00.57 | omin0us | but it was seeing it on the Z |
| 06:00.57 | rev | not a surprise :P |
| 06:01.02 | rev | for qtopia or x11? |
| 06:01.17 | enginuit_Z | Maybe the serial was on the battery lid... |
| 06:01.19 | omin0us | for our rom |
| 06:01.24 | omin0us | Cacko Linux |
| 06:01.25 | omin0us | x11 |
| 06:01.35 | rev | did you have to use a lot of kde libs? |
| 06:01.41 | rev | that blows man |
| 06:01.41 | omin0us | yeah |
| 06:01.41 | rev | sounds painful |
| 06:01.49 | rev | again, i'd rather just run opera or netfront |
| 06:01.51 | rev | though you don't have that option i nx11 |
| 06:01.55 | rev | pity, that |
| 06:02.02 | rev | not having a good enough browser is why i never siwtched to x11 myself |
| 06:02.16 | rev | i was going to just switch to using links2 -g for the framebuffer |
| 06:02.18 | rev | one fb2a |
| 06:02.19 | rev | er |
| 06:02.19 | rev | fb2 |
| 06:02.23 | rev | and squeak / dynapad on fb1 |
| 06:02.28 | omin0us | http://www.cacko.biz/screenshots/thumbs/tn_kdekonqurror.png |
| 06:02.29 | rev | but gpm conflicts ruined that plan |
| 06:02.36 | mclaren | anyone knows why this message appears: "Application terminated due to signal code SIGSEGV" -- I got it from Konqueror |
| 06:02.40 | rev | that way i doin't need all that other rubbish getting in the way and stealing precious RAM |
| 06:02.57 | rev | noone here needs their zaurus any slower than it already is |
| 06:03.00 | rev | omin0us: cute :) |
| 06:03.05 | omin0us | yeah, but Dillo for our rom is so fast |
| 06:03.45 | mclaren | i tried building KDE Konqueror --and i got this pesky message, when I tried surfing a no. of sites... |
| 06:04.45 | rev | has anyone made a less qt/KDE-libs dependent konq/khtml broser? |
| 06:04.52 | rev | perhaps after apple's webcore work? |
| 06:04.56 | rev | has the community used that at all? |
| 06:05.12 | rev | it'd be neat to have the bigger 'n' better khtml as a little gtk widget |
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| 06:08.42 | enginuit | Cool... |
| 06:09.07 | enginuit | No more crappy web-basec IRC for me... |
| 06:09.39 | enginuit | Hey, and without that stupid _Z suffix, I can finally use my full name... |
| 06:09.51 | *** part/#zaurus enginuit (~enginuito@209-128-75-164.bayarea.net) |
| 06:09.57 | rev | :) |
| 06:10.02 | ChipX86 | /nick also works |
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| 06:10.35 | enginuitor | Ahh, very good |
| 06:11.53 | enginuit_Z | Heh, I forgot I still had the web-based window open |
| 06:12.19 | rev | heh |
| 06:12.26 | rev | what web based irc were you using? |
| 06:12.35 | pooey | The one at the Zaurus DevNet site |
| 06:12.48 | rev | ah |
| 06:12.49 | rev | eww |
| 06:12.55 | pooey | great, now i have to wait 20 seconds before I can get rid of this stupid name |
| 06:12.58 | pooey | Oh wait... |
| 06:13.09 | pooey | Why am I even talking in this box anymore?? |
| 06:13.22 | enginuitor | Ah yes |
| 06:13.30 | W8TVI | cool, now I got the bible on both my pdas, and I have the 5000d set up so my mom can use it |
| 06:13.49 | rev | exciting |
| 06:14.04 | rev | i was going to get my mom a pda for email |
| 06:14.12 | W8TVI | ones on my sd card the other one has it on the cfcard |
| 06:14.14 | rev | she hates going downstairs to go online |
| 06:14.25 | rev | i wanted to get her an old Wince 1.0 device |
| 06:14.29 | rev | just as long as it has a built-in modem |
| 06:14.32 | rev | just for email |
| 06:14.34 | rev | b/w |
| 06:14.37 | rev | $40 |
| 06:14.53 | W8TVI | it has a bigger screen than her sony sj22 |
| 06:14.59 | rev | yup |
| 06:15.13 | rev | i want a palmos 6 device |
| 06:15.15 | rev | to paly with now |
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| 06:15.22 | rev | i may be getting a |
| 06:15.27 | rev | er |
| 06:15.30 | rev | i may be getting a tungsten C free from palm dev support |
| 06:15.33 | rev | for porting dynapad |
| 06:15.33 | rev | but that's on hold still |
| 06:16.40 | W8TVI|z | I was going to get a T|C untill I found out that I could get a zaurus for $200 |
| 06:17.03 | enginuitor | Yeah |
| 06:17.16 | enginuitor | You can get a nice refurbished one for like $180 |
| 06:17.32 | enginuitor | With the screen cover, cradle, and everything |
| 06:17.38 | enginuitor | I made a mistake... |
| 06:17.46 | enginuitor | bought mine on ebay for $160 |
| 06:17.52 | enginuitor | But it didn't have a cradle |
| 06:18.04 | enginuitor | Had to buy a serial cable for another $10 on ebay |
| 06:18.06 | rev | doh |
| 06:18.07 | W8TVI|z | the only pda that I would buy that doesnt have a keyboard is an apple nuton |
| 06:18.17 | rev | i got my 5500 new for only $180 |
| 06:18.19 | enginuitor | And it turns out that the screen was horribly abused |
| 06:18.19 | rev | sold it after a month |
| 06:18.24 | rev | the newotn mp2100 is tres badass |
| 06:18.32 | rev | i could do 40-50 WPM on the real HWR with it |
| 06:18.35 | smashie | I got my 5500 with a 64 mb sd card @ ebay for 210 EUR |
| 06:18.44 | rev | i used one up until a year ago, but wasn't cutting it anymore :( |
| 06:18.52 | rev | though i did have wifi and a 2 GB HD for it |
| 06:18.59 | rev | so close to perfect |
| 06:19.00 | enginuitor | There are really deep scratch patterns in the screen |
| 06:19.01 | rev | but dead |
| 06:19.05 | rev | enginuitor: :/ |
| 06:19.06 | rev | that sucks |
| 06:19.07 | W8TVI|z | the newton has real handwiting reconition |
| 06:19.08 | rev | man |
| 06:19.18 | enginuitor | I'm getting some Displex for it |
| 06:19.24 | enginuitor | Hopefully that'll clear it up a little |
| 06:19.32 | rev | actually, when i got my C760 i had to start carrying around the spare MP2000 i had |
| 06:19.35 | rev | for taking notes |
| 06:19.35 | enginuitor | Displex and a Boxwave ClearVue screen protector |
| 06:19.51 | rev | cuz the C760 or any zaurus for that matter is worthless for notes |
| 06:19.57 | rev | protectors are a must |
| 06:19.59 | rev | i always use one |
| 06:20.12 | enginuitor | yup |
| 06:20.35 | enginuitor | The other cool thing is that the adhesive on them conforms to the scratches and you can't see them anymore when the protector is on |
| 06:20.45 | enginuitor | Although I don't know if the ClearVue will do that |
| 06:20.47 | W8TVI|z | I saw a program on tv and they were talking about the newton... that UI beats ANY POS GUI hands down |
| 06:20.55 | rev | totally |
| 06:20.58 | rev | the NewtonOS GUI owned |
| 06:21.10 | rev | although the POS modleed after it and IMHO did a good job for a 160x160 screen |
| 06:21.11 | enginuitor | I was using crappy thin-film protectors |
| 06:21.29 | rev | but when the palm had a silly 160x160 screen the newton was using 240x320 and 320x480 |
| 06:21.36 | enginuitor | WriteRights, I believe |
| 06:21.47 | rev | webb rowsing on the MP2100 via wifi and a 320x480 screen was a total dream |
| 06:21.53 | rev | enginuitor: ew |
| 06:21.57 | enginuitor | I once gently swabbed the screen with a Kleenex... |
| 06:22.17 | enginuitor | Huge, gruesome scratch trails |
| 06:22.36 | enginuitor | Any amount of stylus pressure left pits in the protector |
| 06:22.46 | enginuitor | But it protected the screen... |
| 06:23.00 | enginuitor | Apparently the Boxwave Clearvue protectors last practically forever |
| 06:23.03 | W8TVI | I need to get a palm III so I can figure out why the zaurus crashes the old POS pdas |
| 06:23.22 | enginuitor | They'd better, at $12 /per film/!! |
| 06:23.38 | rev | shit yeah |
| 06:23.49 | rev | W8TVI: what craashes it? beaming? |
| 06:24.27 | enginuitor | Wow, the 5500 is 179.99 at TigerDirect |
| 06:24.38 | enginuitor | And it sells for like $200 on ebay! |
| 06:24.40 | W8TVI | yeah, when I beam my biz card to an old palm it crashes after it finishes |
| 06:25.06 | enginuitor | I can sell mine, and buy a practically brand new one off tigerdirect, and make a few bucks in the process! |
| 06:25.11 | enginuitor | Sorta like ham equipment |
| 06:25.31 | enginuitor | I bought an old VHF transceiver thru USENET for $40... |
| 06:25.34 | W8TVI | I saw the error on the screen just before it reset... |
| 06:25.40 | enginuitor | Sold it for $61 on ebay |
| 06:25.45 | rev | heh |
| 06:25.47 | rev | actually |
| 06:25.51 | W8TVI | looked like it was complaining about something being missing |
| 06:25.51 | rev | i've done a little of that stuff |
| 06:25.52 | rev | like |
| 06:26.05 | rev | with computers and PDAs, if it doesn't have a pic, it gets bought low |
| 06:26.10 | rev | i bought an emate |
| 06:26.14 | enginuitor | yeah |
| 06:26.14 | rev | for only $30 on ebay |
| 06:26.18 | rev | the guy didn't know if it worked |
| 06:26.31 | rev | but it should, bought working from a school - he's a surplus dealing |
| 06:26.34 | rev | but i figured |
| 06:26.35 | rev | what the hell |
| 06:26.42 | rev | always wanted to see a Newton eMate |
| 06:26.43 | enginuitor | Actually, I've found that buying broken iPaq's and fixing them is pretty profitable |
| 06:26.50 | rev | and the ones for parts were going for $30-40 anyway! |
| 06:27.04 | rev | so i bought-it-now for $30, played with it- worked fine |
| 06:27.11 | rev | resold it on ebay for $90 |
| 06:27.11 | enginuitor | wow |
| 06:27.12 | rev | cha-ching |
| 06:27.14 | enginuitor | That's a deal |
| 06:27.16 | rev | i know |
| 06:27.17 | rev | i mean |
| 06:27.18 | rev | hell |
| 06:27.19 | rev | even to use |
| 06:27.20 | W8TVI | heh |
| 06:27.22 | rev | it's a nice machin |
| 06:27.24 | rev | wifi worked |
| 06:27.31 | rev | though it's a slower machine, way slower than the MP2x00 |
| 06:27.33 | rev | but still did HWR very well |
| 06:27.35 | enginuitor | One guy takes perfectly good ipaq's apart and sells the parts individually... |
| 06:27.47 | rev | i highly reccomend any PDA enthusiast to check out any Newton OS 2.x device they can get |
| 06:27.47 | enginuitor | And makes more money than he would if he sold them whole |
| 06:28.01 | W8TVI | PALM PILOT VIIx WIRELESS HANDHELD PDA $50.00 |
| 06:28.01 | rev | enginuitor: what kind of parts? mobo screen ... what else? |
| 06:28.07 | rev | W8TVI: no service though |
| 06:28.12 | enginuitor | battery especially |
| 06:28.17 | rev | ah |
| 06:28.19 | rev | maybe i should do that |
| 06:28.25 | enginuitor | rev: screen sells real well |
| 06:28.26 | W8TVI | dont care... |
| 06:28.28 | rev | i am looking for some at home woprking opppportunities |
| 06:28.29 | rev | :) |
| 06:28.35 | W8TVI | just as long as its an older palm |
| 06:28.35 | enginuitor | rev: as does the digitizer |
| 06:28.39 | rev | ah |
| 06:28.42 | rev | $50 seems a bit high |
| 06:28.53 | rev | i'm getting a palmIII for free next weekend |
| 06:28.58 | rev | IIIe even |
| 06:29.06 | enginuitor | I have a broken Axim X5 here... |
| 06:29.06 | W8TVI | my sony sj-20 has POS 4.1, and it likes the VCARD |
| 06:29.13 | enginuitor | Works perfectly except the screen cable is shot |
| 06:29.21 | enginuitor | So it lights up, but no picture |
| 06:29.29 | enginuitor | I can take voice notes, tho.... |
| 06:29.34 | enginuitor | :) |
| 06:29.58 | enginuitor | I went inside, and half of the LCD ribbon connector was gone |
| 06:30.11 | enginuitor | so I pulled the rest of it off... |
| 06:30.26 | enginuitor | and tried to prep the cable to solder directly to the board... |
| 06:30.33 | enginuitor | but ended up messing up a few times... |
| 06:30.40 | enginuitor | and cut the cable too short |
| 06:30.46 | rev | W8TVI: hey, i'll trade you |
| 06:30.46 | enginuitor | so it doesn't reach any more |
| 06:30.46 | rev | W8TVI: when i get the p3e |
| 06:30.48 | rev | enginuitor: aww |
| 06:30.53 | enginuitor | yup |
| 06:30.55 | rev | enginuitor: a shame, it's a ver ynice PDA |
| 06:31.02 | W8TVI | no thanks |
| 06:31.02 | rev | i won one of those the same week i bought the 5500 |
| 06:31.24 | enginuitor | rev:Terrible shame! It sounds like a good machine... |
| 06:31.24 | rev | it was funny to have in my posession both the best and the worst color 240x320 screens i've ever seen on a pda |
| 06:31.48 | rev | and even more ironic is that sharp makes the screen in the axim- but they keep the shite screens for their own pdas :) |
| 06:31.51 | enginuitor | yeah |
| 06:31.59 | enginuitor | They make the screen in the iPaq's too... |
| 06:32.03 | rev | mmhmm |
| 06:32.09 | enginuitor | Noticed as I gutted one the other day |
| 06:32.32 | enginuitor | Some unfortunate soul had their iPaq sat on by a particularly heavy person... |
| 06:32.40 | enginuitor | Screen was bleeding |
| 06:32.51 | W8TVI | rev: I have some one that will buy it off me for $100 |
| 06:33.00 | enginuitor | Turn it on, and it would go crazy and flicker wildly with garbage |
| 06:33.25 | rev | pfft nah |
| 06:34.10 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 06:34.19 | W8TVI | the 3e runs on 2 AAA |
| 06:34.59 | W8TVI | and they want $15 to ship the thing and it doesnt even power up |
| 06:35.21 | rev | W8TVI: http://www.usedhandhelds.com/store/asp/prodtype.asp?prodtype=41 |
| 06:35.29 | rev | $50 for palm iiiCE |
| 06:35.30 | rev | er |
| 06:35.30 | rev | XE |
| 06:35.40 | rev | and from a very reputable source |
| 06:35.59 | rev | i keep hoping they'll get one of those psion series 5 in |
| 06:36.01 | rev | for $50 |
| 06:36.05 | rev | i want to play iwth one of those puppies |
| 06:36.37 | enginuitor | I've seen so many Zaurus screen shots lately... |
| 06:37.09 | enginuitor | Why does everybody put pictures of scantily-clad women (real or otherwise) on their launchers? |
| 06:37.22 | enginuitor | My Z gets too much attention as it is |
| 06:37.34 | enginuitor | "Whoa, that's a cool Palm Pilot" |
| 06:37.44 | enginuitor | "Hey, that has wireless DSL, right?" |
| 06:37.51 | enginuitor | wtf??? |
| 06:37.51 | rev | haha |
| 06:37.52 | rev | i don't man |
| 06:37.55 | rev | i mean |
| 06:38.10 | rev | i think it's annoying as hell to have any image on the back of my launcher |
| 06:38.11 | rev | i mean |
| 06:38.15 | rev | if it was a regular desktop sure |
| 06:38.18 | rev | but not on the Z launcher |
| 06:38.21 | rev | actually |
| 06:38.21 | rev | in my area |
| 06:38.23 | rev | we're lucky |
| 06:38.29 | enginuitor | Yeah, I actually like the way Sharp has it set up... |
| 06:38.30 | rev | we have wireless broadband within city limits |
| 06:38.35 | rev | unlim for $30/mo |
| 06:38.36 | rev | but |
| 06:38.42 | rev | again, wince or desktop windoze only |
| 06:38.42 | enginuitor | Nice white lines |
| 06:38.50 | enginuitor | rev: that stinks |
| 06:38.54 | rev | well, not for me now heh :) |
| 06:38.55 | rev | but yeah |
| 06:38.58 | rev | it's PCMCIA too |
| 06:38.59 | rev | which blows |
| 06:39.04 | rev | but i can use an adapter |
| 06:39.06 | rev | still a pain in the ass though |
| 06:39.10 | enginuitor | Yeah |
| 06:39.11 | rev | i'm thinking of doing iet eventually |
| 06:39.14 | rev | we'll see |
| 06:39.31 | W8TVI | rev: I want the Handspring Visor Prism |
| 06:39.34 | rev | ver nice service i hear |
| 06:39.46 | rev | wow |
| 06:39.48 | rev | didn't see that |
| 06:39.52 | rev | so cheap |
| 06:39.58 | rev | but still a decent machine |
| 06:40.12 | rev | they had a really badass wince tablet on there for like $50 (!) |
| 06:40.12 | rev | can't remember which one though |
| 06:40.13 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 06:40.17 | rev | older, but still- cheap |
| 06:40.24 | rev | didn't buy it in time and now it's gone gone gone |
| 06:40.36 | W8TVI | then I can buy the omniremote springboard |
| 06:40.51 | W8TVI | d'oh! |
| 06:40.51 | W8TVI | out of stock |
| 06:41.13 | rev | i know |
| 06:41.15 | rev | what a bummer |
| 06:41.19 | rev | you could even get wifi |
| 06:41.24 | rev | though expensively |
| 06:41.57 | W8TVI | I even crashed a visor delux |
| 06:42.09 | W8TVI | pos 3.5 |
| 06:42.21 | rev | huh |
| 06:42.21 | rev | weird |
| 06:42.37 | W8TVI | pda attack! |
| 06:42.49 | W8TVI | buffer overflow... |
| 06:42.49 | W8TVI | or something |
| 06:42.51 | rev | man |
| 06:42.54 | rev | i need to go to bed |
| 06:42.55 | rev | night guys |
| 06:43.00 | W8TVI | lol |
| 06:43.04 | rev | have a good one! |
| 06:43.20 | W8TVI | night |
| 06:43.22 | enginuitor | Me too... |
| 06:43.46 | enginuitor | Thanks to Captain Obvious and everybody else for their help in getting my Z working again... |
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| 06:43.55 | W8TVI | night enginuitor |
| 06:44.00 | enginuitor | c'ya |
| 06:45.25 | chuckr | anyone home? |
| 06:45.55 | Captain-Obvious | no |
| 06:46.22 | chuckr | I have a net problem still, a (hopefully) small one, can I complain at you for a moment? |
| 06:46.36 | Captain-Obvious | no |
| 06:46.49 | chuckr | ok |
| 06:47.04 | Captain-Obvious | :P |
| 06:47.14 | chuckr | I take people literally |
| 06:50.45 | Captain-Obvious | well? |
| 06:52.29 | chuckr | well. I am running cacko's X11, I can establish usb to my host, but I can set a default route on the Z |
| 06:52.43 | chuckr | can't, not can |
| 06:53.33 | chuckr | it keeps on giving me a SIOCADDRT error: no such deviuce |
| 06:53.51 | chuckr | but ifconfig looks fine, the route pings directly |
| 06:54.11 | chuckr | if I ping to any other ip, no rt to houst |
| 06:54.34 | chuckr | I can't figure it out |
| 06:54.40 | chuckr | it's usb networking |
| 06:55.24 | Captain-Obvious | dont know what to tell you.... I dont use USB networking |
| 06:55.39 | chuckr | sokay |
| 06:55.51 | chuckr | I guess I'll try again tomorrow, or maybe try bluetooth |
| 06:56.08 | chuckr | I can't ever seem toi get networking going |
| 06:56.26 | chuckr | well, it's too late for me anyhow, g'nite |
| 06:56.59 | Captain-Obvious | night |
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| 13:10.02 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:10.54 | George- | chouimat: go away. |
| 13:11.12 | chouimat | George-: I love you too George- ;) |
| 13:11.39 | George- | I hope you die |
| 13:11.44 | George- | soon. |
| 13:12.15 | chouimat | George-: May your wang fall off on your wedding night |
| 13:12.24 | George- | what wedding night? |
| 13:12.25 | George- | :P |
| 13:12.33 | George- | may you die a horrible and untimely death. |
| 13:12.46 | chouimat | George-: the one you will have in 3456 |
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| 14:14.17 | absentia | Morn' |
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| 14:25.18 | George- | chouimat: dead yet? |
| 14:28.05 | absentia | :-/ |
| 14:39.20 | chouimat | George-: shaddap you moron |
| 14:42.13 | George- | chouimat: just go to hell :P |
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| 14:55.28 | adena | I'm trying to get OpenZaurus installed on my 5600 |
| 14:55.48 | adena | yet it hangs on the Sharp boot screen saying "Please wait approx 2 minutes..." |
| 14:56.10 | adena | any ideas on how to install OpenZaurus to work on a 5600 |
| 14:58.52 | absentia | did you wait 2 minutes? |
| 15:04.08 | MG_Tak | adena: what do you have on your card? |
| 15:08.13 | adena | I have initd.bin, zImage, and updater.sh |
| 15:08.17 | adena | on my CF card |
| 15:08.24 | MG_Tak | initrd.bin, right? |
| 15:08.29 | adena | initrd.bin |
| 15:08.31 | adena | yeah |
| 15:08.33 | MG_Tak | where did you get the files from? |
| 15:08.34 | adena | typo |
| 15:08.50 | adena | openzaurus.org for the initrd.bin, zImage, the updater.sh from Sharp's website |
| 15:09.05 | MG_Tak | You need to get updater.sh from oz.org tooo |
| 15:09.48 | adena | huh...it only lists the initrd and the zImage. Do you know where the updater.sh is on openzaurus.org? |
| 15:09.59 | MG_Tak | lemme find it |
| 15:10.27 | MG_Tak | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/3.3.5/poodle/ |
| 15:10.32 | MG_Tak | I used this set of files |
| 15:11.12 | MG_Tak | if you look around, there're also some unofficial and unstable ROMs, some work slightly better than others but by and large, OZ on 5600 is still a little flaky |
| 15:11.30 | MG_Tak | and some apps don't work because the ROM was compiled with gcc3 |
| 15:11.49 | adena | gotcha |
| 15:12.15 | adena | is there something "better" that works on the 5600? a different rom perhaps? |
| 15:12.48 | MG_Tak | tkc's ROM is supposedly better than the regular Sharp ROM. I've never tried it, though. |
| 15:12.59 | absentia | me either |
| 15:13.03 | absentia | I did flash the 11 rom last night |
| 15:13.09 | absentia | and I have my 700 with me at work today. |
| 15:13.12 | absentia | it's botting now |
| 15:13.26 | MG_Tak | 11 ? |
| 15:14.36 | absentia | x11 rom |
| 15:14.39 | absentia | booting... |
| 15:15.49 | MG_Tak | oh |
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| 15:26.53 | absentia | re |
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| 17:20.55 | absentia | ug |
| 17:21.07 | absentia | zaurususergroup seems to have forgotten whe I last logged in |
| 17:21.13 | absentia | I'm seeing messages that I've already replied to |
| 17:21.22 | absentia | and then I see my reply when I scroll down |
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| 18:20.33 | absentia | hey geek |
| 18:21.35 | offroadgeek[760] | hey |
| 18:22.04 | offroadgeek[760] | I'm "working" from home today ;) |
| 18:22.07 | offroadgeek[760] | cool |
| 18:22.13 | absentia | lucky you. |
| 18:22.27 | absentia | as long as you're not working "at home" ... |
| 18:22.57 | absentia | er is it ... at "home" ... bah, whatever those telephone pole posters were for. |
| 18:24.39 | offroadgeek[760] | no.. I'm supposed to be working... but I didn't feel like going into the office... last work day before vacation |
| 18:25.18 | absentia | ah |
| 18:25.21 | absentia | wht do you do ? |
| 18:25.24 | offroadgeek[760] | so I think I'll work on the ZUG site instead :) |
| 18:25.39 | absentia | works for me. |
| 18:25.41 | offroadgeek[760] | project manager |
| 18:25.42 | absentia | here at work, we do site failover... and we (unix guys) do it from home |
| 18:25.46 | absentia | the dbas do it from home. |
| 18:25.52 | absentia | ah, you can project manage a day or two from home |
| 18:26.02 | offroadgeek[760] | exactly... |
| 18:26.21 | offroadgeek[760] | I havent done sysadmin stuff in years... I actually miss it |
| 18:26.48 | absentia | I couldn't ever be a ms sysadmin |
| 18:26.54 | absentia | they're crazy overworked |
| 18:27.03 | absentia | I'm a unix sysadmin.. I just code evrything the boss asks me to do. |
| 18:27.08 | offroadgeek[760] | yeah... thats what I was... |
| 18:27.23 | offroadgeek[760] | I dont have the skills to be a unix sys admin... |
| 18:28.05 | absentia | there are different levels. |
| 18:28.06 | offroadgeek[760] | I cant afford to start from the bottom in a new skill/area |
| 18:28.31 | absentia | and different places.. government, edu, corp.. etc. |
| 18:28.38 | absentia | look at the SANS salary chart |
| 18:28.41 | offroadgeek[760] | I would imagine entry level starts around 30k/year |
| 18:28.44 | absentia | 1st year pople are making 65-90K |
| 18:28.54 | offroadgeek[760] | really? |
| 18:29.15 | offroadgeek[760] | I dont think thats true for the real world... |
| 18:30.27 | offroadgeek[760] | one of my brothers is a linux admin at oracle... he's been there a few years and makes just over 90... |
| 18:30.34 | absentia | see |
| 18:30.38 | absentia | and that's linux |
| 18:30.51 | absentia | not even a real unix... |
| 18:31.07 | absentia | my first unix job... I was like 21... ~15 years ago... was above $30K |
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| 18:31.14 | absentia | and that was at the smallest place possible. |
| 18:31.42 | absentia | opiereader |
| 18:31.50 | absentia | to read a document type? |
| 18:31.55 | absentia | or does it "talk" to you ? |
| 18:35.47 | absentia | http://www.zaurususergroup.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=3402#3402 |
| 18:36.30 | offroadgeek[760] | opiereader is great for .pdb files... created from plucker or jpluck |
| 18:36.43 | absentia | right |
| 18:36.46 | absentia | just reads a format |
| 18:36.49 | absentia | doesn't read outloud |
| 18:36.49 | offroadgeek[760] | I use it to read my books and news |
| 18:36.54 | absentia | ya |
| 18:37.29 | offroadgeek[760] | you can also install (on the sharp roms) flite and its supposed to 'read' the text for you... |
| 18:37.33 | absentia | ya |
| 18:37.36 | absentia | flite... |
| 18:37.46 | absentia | and then just get sphynxII and you're all set. |
| 18:37.50 | offroadgeek[760] | i think thats the name of it |
| 18:37.54 | absentia | yes |
| 18:37.58 | absentia | that rings familiar |
| 18:38.02 | offroadgeek[760] | whats sphynxII? |
| 18:38.13 | absentia | converts spoken word to ascii |
| 18:38.24 | absentia | there's festival for output |
| 18:38.33 | absentia | sphynx for input |
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| 18:55.16 | blitzrage | anyone have an SL-5500 they want to sell ? |
| 18:56.45 | offroadgeek[760] | brb... switching wm |
| 19:03.02 | raduga | blitzrage: tigerdirect.com might be you rbest bet right now. |
| 19:03.23 | raduga | on the other hand, the fact that tigerdirect is selling them, is a Very Disturbing Thing in its own right :/ |
| 19:03.58 | blitzrage | :) |
| 19:05.32 | raduga | ~ $180 though. |
| 19:06.53 | blitzrage | raduga: that's fine. Paid a lot more for it new, and I just did a little job for someone, so I'm getting paid $200, so at least I'm not really out any money... |
| 19:07.01 | blitzrage | someone stole my 5500 from work. |
| 19:08.05 | Disconnect | blitzrage: work should be able to replace it under their insurance. might have to file a police report and such tho. |
| 19:08.18 | blitzrage | Disconnect: really? ok, I might ask about that today then. |
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| 19:24.26 | absentia | I need to learn how to make .ipks |
| 19:24.31 | absentia | so I can make progarms for people. |
| 19:27.42 | absentia | heheh |
| 19:29.30 | Disconnect | other than because it was a licensing argument, and he's unhappy that TT can't make money to save their lives. (not that that makes me real happy either, but according to him we should all be sending our paychecks there for the priviledge of using a zaurus) |
| 19:33.34 | absentia | who is cosmicpenguin? |
| 19:33.36 | absentia | which channel ? |
| 19:36.18 | oGMo | iqnotes 2.0 is commercial? heh |
| 19:36.25 | Disconnect | #openembedded |
| 19:41.06 | absentia | omin0us ? |
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| 19:42.34 | treke | oGMo: nope, still gpl |
| 19:42.37 | benr | has anyone ever used their Zaurus as a serial console (minicom)? |
| 19:42.51 | treke | oGMo: The source download link is just a little less obvious now |
| 19:42.54 | absentia | b: no |
| 19:42.58 | kergoth | benr: yes |
| 19:43.07 | Disconnect | benr: I've done it with palmpilot and ipaq (under familiar) .. its not too hard. |
| 19:43.27 | benr | kergoth: you just use the Sharp Serial Adapter right? |
| 19:43.31 | treke | CosmicPenguin is an ex developer for Century software who worked on pixil. Now he runs the open source pixil release |
| 19:43.32 | kergoth | benr: yep |
| 19:43.37 | Disconnect | benr: generally its dead simple if oyu have a serial sync cable - slap a null-modem adapter on it and it should light right up. |
| 19:43.39 | treke | nice guy. Has some good ideas |
| 19:43.41 | benr | kergoth: sweet. jus wanted to check. :) |
| 19:43.58 | Disconnect | anyone know of retail stores that carry zaurus cables and such? |
| 19:44.02 | benr | Disconnect: koool. Having a serial console in my pocket would be oh so helpful. |
| 19:44.23 | absentia | hey treke... was that you that posted minimo? is it sluggish? |
| 19:44.28 | absentia | (on the z) |
| 19:44.30 | benr | or better yet, any place with CHEAP cables.... the Sharp serial cable is like $30, i think. |
| 19:44.42 | absentia | ah, I heard 'bout pixil |
| 19:44.47 | absentia | probably from kergoth or something.. |
| 19:45.01 | oGMo | treke: ah |
| 19:45.06 | treke | absentia: Works well for me on the zaurus |
| 19:45.19 | absentia | treke: ok, I grabbed the -arm.tgz from ~mallum... I'll get it to my Z tonight. |
| 19:45.25 | Disconnect | benr: I'll pay $30. thats what I paid for my ipaq serial cable, and that was a pay-to-play since (at least at the time) you couldn't flash linux w/o a serial cable |
| 19:45.46 | Disconnect | benr: I'd pay $30 for a car adapter, too, if I could find one. |
| 19:45.55 | benr | oh, heres a question... I was looking at CF cards, and some companies are selling CF in 1x, 4x, 12x, and 40x versions depending on CF transfer rate.... is there any advantage to having the faster CF in Zaurus? The sharp specs weren't very reveraling. |
| 19:46.33 | benr | Disconnect: most retail stores I know that sold Zaurus (Fry's and Circut City) seemed to have stopped. :( |
| 19:46.34 | Disconnect | afaik for sd, it doesn't matter, but for cf it should make at least a bit of difference. whether its worth the cost or not is a different issue. |
| 19:47.16 | Disconnect | benr: yah. I hit most of the retailers that are listed on sharp's site, and the best I got was a staples lady who'd heard of the Z and discovered that I could special-order a power brick for it (gotta check and see if the 5x00 power packs will feed my 760, but I think it will..) |
| 19:47.22 | benr | it's a question of the limit of the Z's CF interface.. if the Z can only transfer at a max of 6MB/s, then who cares if you have 8MB/s flash... but I can't find the specs. :( |
| 19:47.49 | benr | Disconnect: oh ya, Staples and OfficeMax used to carry Z..... hmmmmmmmm. |
| 19:47.55 | Disconnect | benr: I did most of my homework - discovered that 5x00 cables and such (but not cradles, obviously) should fit the 7x0. I just didn't do the last stage, which is 'are they actually available' |
| 19:48.07 | absentia | I want to know why lots of writes to SD makes the SD fail |
| 19:48.12 | absentia | is that a software issue ? |
| 19:48.52 | Disconnect | absentia: sounds like a cheap sd..? or do you mean lots as in hundreds of thousands? (which would likely be hardware failure on the part of the sd manuf) |
| 19:49.04 | Disconnect | er .. right. scratch the 'or', thats the same statement ;) |
| 19:49.37 | absentia | no |
| 19:49.37 | absentia | I mean |
| 19:49.45 | absentia | wget http://blah/file.tar.gz |
| 19:49.55 | absentia | and 50% of the way through, the sd goes ofline |
| 19:50.48 | Disconnect | ah. that happens to me occasionally. but I've noticed that hard use of sd and/or wlan (managed to reproduce w/o using sd) will hardlock the z. (it was fine under cacko, so its an oz thing :( ..) |
| 19:51.12 | absentia | mine is doing it under cacko 170 |
| 19:51.30 | Disconnect | odd. |
| 19:52.16 | Disconnect | admittedly, I haven't run w/ cacko and sd for nearly as long as I have oz, but I did much the same things without triggering it. and wlan+cacko has been rock solid, whereas it (rarely, fortunately) can hang the thing under oz just as well as sd does. |
| 19:53.10 | George- | I really have no tact :) |
| 19:53.11 | Disconnect | treke: want to ssh in and watch me hang it? ;) it won't look like much, it just freezes. wlan+sd seems to trigger it more often than either one separately. |
| 19:53.52 | treke | wierd. |
| 19:53.53 | absentia | treke: just untar a file onto it |
| 19:53.55 | benr | wow, Zmame kools sweet. |
| 19:54.01 | absentia | benr: ya, if it worked. |
| 19:54.07 | treke | absentia: I copy junk onto it quite a bit |
| 19:54.09 | benr | absentia: it doesn't? |
| 19:54.11 | treke | usually scp though |
| 19:54.23 | oGMo | holy crap |
| 19:54.26 | treke | George-: Maybe we'll get lucky and you will be banned here |
| 19:54.27 | oGMo | picogui looks cool |
| 19:54.30 | absentia | treke: I had to use rsync |
| 19:54.37 | George- | how can Sharp possibly charge $1000 for a Zaurus?t |
| 19:54.38 | treke | maybe I'll try tar then |
| 19:54.38 | absentia | to get zdebian on mine nu the 760 |
| 19:54.41 | absentia | the 700 was fine |
| 19:54.43 | George- | treke: no such luck probably :) |
| 19:54.49 | absentia | but on the 760, it took me 2 days |
| 19:54.55 | treke | kergoth: pretty please. It would be the perfect christmas gift |
| 19:54.57 | absentia | rsync, crash, reboot, fsck, reboot, repeat |
| 19:55.02 | George- | treke: if they haven't banned me yet I doubt they ever will |
| 19:55.03 | Disconnect | oGMo: I did up a bootmenu for picogui (on the ipaq, to select a root partition/dist off of pcmcia device) .. its really easy to code for |
| 19:55.14 | oGMo | Disconnect: cool |
| 19:55.19 | oGMo | Disconnect: is it C or C++? |
| 19:55.36 | Disconnect | C IIRC |
| 19:55.37 | oGMo | k |
| 19:55.51 | oGMo | the only question is whether it has good PIM apps |
| 19:55.58 | oGMo | those are what i use most of the time now :0 |
| 19:56.01 | oGMo | er :) |
| 19:56.12 | treke | ? |
| 19:56.20 | George- | hrmm, sf have resorted to asking all project maintainers to setup donations on their sites for them |
| 19:56.22 | George- | WTF |
| 19:56.24 | treke | it's a boot menu :) |
| 19:56.37 | oGMo | picogui isn't a boot menu |
| 19:56.42 | treke | maybe if you pay them CVS will work more than occaisionally |
| 19:56.53 | oGMo | i doubt it |
| 19:57.03 | oGMo | if you can't get it right, money isn't going to help |
| 19:57.03 | oGMo | ;) |
| 19:57.18 | oGMo | money just reinforces the fact it's ok to suck |
| 19:57.33 | George- | Will sf go bust??! |
| 19:57.34 | George- | ] |
| 19:57.54 | oGMo | oh you mean sf in general |
| 20:01.06 | benr | no. |
| 20:01.13 | benr | CVS works fine for developers. :) |
| 20:01.19 | benr | slow, but fine. |
| 20:01.22 | oGMo | yeah |
| 20:02.01 | benr | personally, i still say they should just patch CVS itself and let things be resolved that way. |
| 20:05.27 | George- | hrmm |
| 20:09.31 | absentia | thanks for the quick action on xu4 |
| 20:10.08 | George- | xu4? |
| 20:11.30 | absentia | ya |
| 20:11.32 | absentia | ultima 4 for X11 |
| 20:15.00 | benr | wow, Ultima......thats a blast from the past. |
| 20:15.33 | absentia | :-) |
| 20:15.37 | absentia | exult is probably also good. |
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| 20:16.37 | offroadgeek | omin0us: you there? |
| 20:16.38 | absentia | re off |
| 20:16.42 | absentia | thanks for the quick action on xu4 |
| 20:16.47 | offroadgeek | ello |
| 20:16.49 | offroadgeek | no prob |
| 20:17.29 | absentia | I want to get the gcc on the Z |
| 20:17.35 | absentia | so I can start to compile stuff.... |
| 20:17.44 | absentia | I just neat to learn how to make ipks |
| 20:17.50 | offroadgeek | hey ab... do you know how to switch the wm to afterstep? |
| 20:17.51 | absentia | without much effort.. etc. |
| 20:18.09 | offroadgeek | nod |
| 20:18.10 | absentia | no, that was one of my questions in my post under the x11 area |
| 20:18.23 | absentia | I mean, I could probably do it... but offhand, I don't if it's different |
| 20:18.38 | absentia | most of the time you modify a .xinitrc or something. |
| 20:18.52 | absentia | I have the fluxbox, afterstep ... just not sure how to use them etc. |
| 20:18.58 | absentia | is there an adduser util for the x11 rom? |
| 20:19.06 | absentia | useradd seemed to gen errors for me. |
| 20:19.19 | absentia | have you seen the XDM (like) login ... on the mac? |
| 20:20.41 | treke | it seems like every other login app |
| 20:25.17 | treke | what the fuck is wrong with MS Excel |
| 20:25.35 | treke | suck an utterly broken user interface |
| 20:26.54 | treke | It's an MDI window, but the stupid taskbar pretends like it's all seperate windows |
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| 20:31.00 | savant | is there a file that controls automounting? It doesn't seem to be /etc/fstab... |
| 20:31.52 | kergoth | automounting of what? |
| 20:32.00 | savant | sd cards |
| 20:32.20 | kergoth | oh, sharp's sd daemon and sdcontrol script handle that, iirc |
| 20:32.27 | savant | ok |
| 20:32.30 | savant | that's annoying |
| 20:32.32 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:32.39 | kergoth | ugly, hackish, unnecessary daemon, etc |
| 20:32.44 | savant | thanks though |
| 20:32.47 | kergoth | handhelds.org's sdmmc drivers just call a hotplug script |
| 20:32.52 | kergoth | that runs an mmc agent, that calls mount |
| 20:32.54 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:32.56 | kergoth | clean |
| 20:36.17 | absentia | what are the dog names for the devices? |
| 20:36.37 | kergoth | collie is 5500/5000d, shepherd is c750, husky is c760, poodle is 5600, corgi is c700 |
| 20:36.49 | absentia | Model names: Collie = 5500/5000d, Poodle = 5600/b500, Corgi = C700, Shepherd = C750, Husky = 760 |
| 20:36.55 | kergoth | heh |
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| 20:37.05 | absentia | 6000 ? |
| 20:37.10 | absentia | 860 ? |
| 20:37.10 | savant | arg. This SD card is driving me bonkers. I keep getting read only fs errors. It was vfat. So I format it to ext2. It still mounts as type vfat though?!? |
| 20:37.23 | absentia | looked in /etc/fstab ? |
| 20:37.43 | savant | aye. It's set to auto in fstab |
| 20:37.43 | kergoth | heh, its possible yo uhave remnants of the vfat left |
| 20:37.48 | kergoth | so it can actually mount either |
| 20:37.57 | kergoth | i'd say dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcda1 |
| 20:38.00 | kergoth | then mkfs.ext2 it again |
| 20:38.07 | kergoth | then see |
| 20:38.27 | absentia | name for 860 and 6000 ? |
| 20:38.31 | kergoth | dunno |
| 20:38.38 | savant | I'll try that |
| 20:39.56 | treke | boxer is 860 |
| 20:40.03 | savant | will zero'ing it like that wipe the partition table? |
| 20:40.13 | kergoth | savant: no. mmcda1 is a partition |
| 20:40.16 | kergoth | if you did the dd to mmcda, then yes |
| 20:40.40 | kergoth | dont worry about the partition type, linux doesnt care about it anyway |
| 20:40.50 | kergoth | it just tries to mount and sticks with the first fs that succeeds |
| 20:40.59 | savant | hurm... I got an I/O error |
| 20:41.07 | kergoth | thats fine |
| 20:41.12 | savant | it is? |
| 20:41.12 | kergoth | it hit the end of the media |
| 20:41.18 | kergoth | after it wiped the rest |
| 20:41.18 | savant | ah, excellent |
| 20:41.21 | kergoth | go ahead and mkfs now |
| 20:41.48 | savant | mkfs.ext2: Device size reported to be zero. |
| 20:41.58 | absentia | ya, fdist the puppy |
| 20:41.58 | absentia | :-> |
| 20:42.02 | absentia | fdisk it.... |
| 20:42.08 | absentia | took me a while, but I whacked my cf back into a vfat |
| 20:42.20 | Disconnect | not to ask a dumb question, but you did unmount it first, right? |
| 20:42.28 | kergoth | heh, i'd hope so |
| 20:42.32 | savant | aye, i umounted it first |
| 20:44.36 | George- | kergoth: give treke a christmas present and kick/ban me |
| 20:45.01 | treke | see even he wants it |
| 20:45.17 | *** mode/#zaurus [+b *!*Test@*.freeuk.com] by kergoth |
| 20:45.17 | *** kick/#zaurus [George-!kergoth@zelda.tuxnami.org] by kergoth (kergoth) |
| 20:47.44 | absentia | ya |
| 20:47.48 | absentia | I can't find any names for the 6000 |
| 20:48.17 | savant | absentia: try the local humane society, apparently. |
| 20:48.21 | kergoth | absentia: we probably wont know what it is till we either get one, or get the kernels ources released from sharp |
| 20:48.34 | treke | wonder if they'll do a public source release |
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| 20:48.57 | kergoth | bleh, damn spacebar |
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| 20:49.01 | George- | yay |
| 20:49.07 | George- | treke: happy christmas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 20:49.19 | treke | it's just what i always wanted |
| 20:49.56 | kergoth | funny, i always wanted a good woman and lots of money |
| 20:49.58 | kergoth | but to each his own |
| 20:50.35 | treke | I didnt say that's all I wanted :) |
| 20:50.45 | treke | but I didnt imagine anyone here had a woman and cash to spare |
| 20:50.50 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:51.09 | treke | that and women eat into the toy budget |
| 20:51.19 | kergoth | yeah, there is that |
| 20:51.25 | absentia | ha |
| 20:51.48 | savant | damn if that ain't the truth |
| 20:51.59 | tux_mike | ugh |
| 20:52.09 | treke | So I have to put them off until after I go buy a camera :) |
| 20:52.21 | tux_mike | george: so has your powerbook imploded yet? |
| 20:52.32 | kergoth | treke: hah, nice priorities |
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| 20:53.46 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 20:53.50 | tux_mike | long time no see |
| 20:55.12 | warmi | hi tux_mike how's life ? |
| 20:55.19 | tux_mike | not bad |
| 20:55.40 | warmi | you got a new apple laptop rigth ? |
| 20:55.47 | tux_mike | tired. had to wake up early for work today. also had to have a friend stay at my house to wait for my laptop back |
| 20:55.51 | tux_mike | yah |
| 20:55.52 | warmi | I remember you talking about it last time I saw you ( or was that you ? ) |
| 20:55.56 | tux_mike | had to send it in for repair. |
| 20:56.01 | tux_mike | think so |
| 20:56.06 | tux_mike | i talk about that a lot :) |
| 20:56.07 | warmi | ha ... sounds like George's story |
| 20:56.11 | tux_mike | nah |
| 20:56.23 | warmi | he had some major issues with his apple laptop |
| 20:56.36 | tux_mike | my problem was an engineering defect with the laptop |
| 20:57.07 | warmi | what kind of machine was that again ? |
| 20:57.22 | tux_mike | and the first time i sent it in they ticked me off by saying that i'd have it back by the end of the week, yet when i called them up they didn't ahve an eta on parts. so, i requested it sent back. they messed that up too. |
| 20:57.40 | tux_mike | finally had a chance where i could be without it for a week and sent it in |
| 20:57.53 | tux_mike | came back today, my friend signed for it |
| 20:57.55 | George- | tux_mike: I got my white spotty screen replaced |
| 20:58.00 | George- | tux_mike: took 1 week |
| 20:58.02 | tux_mike | george: cool |
| 20:58.05 | George- | tux_mike: haven't appeared since |
| 20:58.09 | George- | tux_mike: so it's all ok |
| 20:58.17 | tux_mike | mine took about the same... snet in tuesday, came back today |
| 20:58.23 | tux_mike | ho long ago you get it repaired? |
| 20:58.36 | George- | tux_mike: uh |
| 20:58.44 | George- | tux_mike: a 3-4 weeks ago? |
| 20:58.59 | tux_mike | yah, if they were to reappear, they would have done so by now |
| 20:59.09 | George- | yup |
| 20:59.11 | George- | so I'm happy |
| 20:59.12 | tux_mike | do you move it around a lot? |
| 20:59.16 | George- | no dead pixels either |
| 20:59.21 | tux_mike | that's good |
| 20:59.24 | George- | tux_mike: took it to and from school each day |
| 20:59.28 | tux_mike | i'm always worried about that |
| 20:59.29 | tux_mike | ok |
| 20:59.36 | tux_mike | that's enough to cause them to start |
| 20:59.43 | George- | tux_mike: carted it about with a ton of books in the bag as well - lots of pressure on the screen ;) |
| 20:59.44 | tux_mike | i just hope mine's ok |
| 21:01.02 | tux_mike | my computer was also getting a little creaky, hope they fixed that too |
| 21:01.32 | warmi | man .... good thing I got ThinkPad ... these things last :-) |
| 21:01.33 | George- | tux_mike: they put one or two scratches on the casing, but all in all compared to the tibook's repairs... it was quite good |
| 21:01.42 | tux_mike | heh |
| 21:01.45 | George- | good thing the scratches are really small |
| 21:01.47 | tux_mike | yah |
| 21:01.57 | George- | anyway, my 30GB iPod is in repair |
| 21:01.57 | George- | :D |
| 21:02.01 | tux_mike | warmi: yah, my friend still has his thinkpad 770 |
| 21:02.09 | tux_mike | what did you do to that? |
| 21:02.13 | George- | nothing |
| 21:02.16 | tux_mike | sure |
| 21:02.21 | warmi | hehe |
| 21:02.24 | George- | the front white part got shoved into the back metallic part :P |
| 21:02.34 | George- | and the back metallic part distorted out of shape |
| 21:02.43 | George- | it was definitely not accidental damage anyway :) |
| 21:02.47 | George- | *cough cough* |
| 21:02.50 | George- | lol |
| 21:02.50 | tux_mike | so you broke it |
| 21:02.50 | George- | just kidding |
| 21:03.01 | George- | no, it's a common problem with the 30gb ones by the looks of it |
| 21:03.19 | absentia | didja see tkc 'bout the AAC? |
| 21:03.34 | tux_mike | george: do you happen to have the roms from old macs (m68k?) |
| 21:03.47 | George- | tux_mike: http://www.ipodlounge.com/forums/showthread.php?s=7243f742c8d7337adc3137b7f5095caa&threadid=18532 |
| 21:03.49 | George- | tux_mike: no, I don't |
| 21:03.55 | tux_mike | damn |
| 21:03.57 | George- | tux_mike: that forum link details the exact problem i have |
| 21:04.00 | George- | absentia: no? |
| 21:04.02 | tux_mike | i want to setup basilisk |
| 21:04.13 | George- | tux_mike: get mac on linux |
| 21:04.23 | absentia | geo: limied ipod music format on 5000/5500 zaurus |
| 21:04.30 | George- | tux_mike: btw - benh says that clock slewing for the albooks will be ready really soon |
| 21:04.30 | absentia | not drm'd and no c7x0, etc. |
| 21:04.39 | George- | absentia: ?!?! |
| 21:04.50 | savant | hehe, mkfs tithes 5% of the top for root. (: |
| 21:04.54 | treke | George-: oh? cool |
| 21:05.06 | George- | treke: what do you want. |
| 21:05.16 | tux_mike | hrm |
| 21:05.19 | George- | treke: you have a powerbook? |
| 21:05.20 | treke | " benh says that clock slewing for the albooks will be ready really soon" |
| 21:05.23 | treke | yes I do. |
| 21:05.27 | George- | oh CRAP |
| 21:05.28 | George- | you bastard |
| 21:05.29 | George- | GO AWAY |
| 21:05.34 | George- | WHY DID YOU HAVE TO GET A POWERBOOK!?!?! |
| 21:05.45 | George- | arse. |
| 21:05.49 | absentia | muahaha |
| 21:06.14 | George- | anyway, I'm using a rsync copy of 2.6.0 that I rsync'd two hours before 2.6.0 was released :) |
| 21:06.24 | George- | and I'm not updating till benh gets the clock slewing un-buggered |
| 21:06.35 | George- | running at 765/102MHz is not fun |
| 21:06.54 | George- | I had to distcc my two powerbooks together :) |
| 21:06.56 | George- | anyway, afk |
| 21:07.31 | tux_mike | wierd thing... on apple's repair status detail they say that my machine had 2x512 instead of 2x256 ram... they marked that wrong... i wonder if my laptop will come back with a little bonus supprise :) |
| 21:07.56 | warmi | like missing CPU ? |
| 21:08.00 | George- | tux_mike: mine has exactly the same |
| 21:08.02 | warmi | j/k |
| 21:08.06 | George- | tux_mike: but mine's only 512MB still :P |
| 21:08.18 | George- | tux_mike: sounds like someone fucked up the warranty status info :) |
| 21:08.37 | Disconnect | might be 512M total, 2 sticks... |
| 21:09.11 | George- | tux_mike: of course, you could take advantage of this and say "HEY! I SENT IN MY POWERBOOK WITH 2 512MB DIMMS AND YOUR SYSTEM LOGGED THIS BUT IT ONLY HAS 2 256MB DIMMS NOW!!!!" |
| 21:09.19 | George- | Disconnect: no, it's not |
| 21:09.23 | George- | Disconnect: that's 2x256 |
| 21:09.36 | George- | Disconnect: the warranty site actually says "2x512MB instead of 2x256MB" |
| 21:10.09 | absentia | I've had that happen with disk drives |
| 21:10.11 | absentia | bad drives, under warranty |
| 21:10.13 | absentia | 300mb... |
| 21:10.13 | Disconnect | my point is it might list it that way. since it happened more than once, and the laptops came back with the proper amount of ram.. |
| 21:10.25 | absentia | uh, the smallest drive we have is 800mb now... |
| 21:10.47 | tux_mike | george: yah... i'm not about to pull something like that off... just nice to imagine getting a better machine back :) |
| 21:11.01 | absentia | old sun maintenance on appler... er.. sun ... laswerwriter Is... if they died, sun would just upgrade'm to laserwriter IIs |
| 21:11.05 | treke | well shit I'd pull something like that |
| 21:11.06 | George- | tux_mike: you are getting a better machine back.. it's been cured of leprosy! |
| 21:11.14 | tux_mike | lold |
| 21:11.14 | George- | treke: hahaha |
| 21:11.20 | treke | "I was looking at my packing materials, and it looks like you sent my laptop back broken" |
| 21:11.31 | absentia | i've had that happen too |
| 21:11.32 | absentia | and with a virus |
| 21:11.34 | treke | "this says I should have 1024MB but it only has 512MB" |
| 21:12.24 | George- | treke: Now FIX IT!!! |
| 21:12.25 | George- | :) |
| 21:15.33 | tux_mike | what memory does the pwoerbook take? |
| 21:16.47 | George- | tux_mike: DDR333 |
| 21:28.43 | tux_mike | ugh |
| 21:28.48 | tux_mike | this is BORING today |
| 21:28.56 | tux_mike | should have brought another ebook |
| 21:29.07 | tux_mike | but i don't think my z's battery is up for another |
| 21:29.48 | Disconnect | tux_mike: www.baen.com, just download one :) |
| 21:29.57 | tux_mike | can't get it to my z |
| 21:30.52 | tux_mike | plus i think i only have about 20 mins left |
| 21:31.38 | Disconnect | beam it.. |
| 21:31.52 | Disconnect | although with only 20 mins left you're basically screwed. just read one on the desktop ;) |
| 21:32.27 | tux_mike | can't read much on this crappy monitor |
| 21:38.28 | George- | http://www.bash.org/?11552 |
| 21:38.29 | George- | hahaha |
| 21:40.46 | tux_mike | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.42 | George- | wb kergoth |
| 21:53.53 | kergoth | thanks |
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| 22:27.41 | George- | tux_mike: ping |
| 22:27.54 | tux_mike | yah, wazzup |
| 22:28.00 | George- | tux_mike: do you iChat? |
| 22:28.03 | tux_mike | yes |
| 22:28.04 | George- | tux_mike: I want to test out audio chat |
| 22:28.08 | tux_mike | can't right now |
| 22:28.11 | George- | bah |
| 22:28.17 | George- | when can you? |
| 22:28.21 | tux_mike | i'm about 20 miles from it |
| 22:28.22 | tux_mike | dunno |
| 22:28.36 | tux_mike | i'm prolly gonna be fixing up my machine out of the house |
| 22:28.39 | George- | hrmm |
| 22:28.40 | George- | k |
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| 22:40.59 | benr | hey, silly question....... how do I access a Zaurus from Linux? |
| 22:41.29 | kergoth | carefully |
| 22:41.42 | George- | modprobe usbnet |
| 22:41.52 | George- | ifconfig usb0 192.168.129.201 up |
| 22:41.55 | George- | er... |
| 22:42.05 | George- | or is it 192.168.129.1? |
| 22:42.06 | benr | ah, so use the network. |
| 22:42.06 | George- | I can't remember |
| 22:42.14 | kergoth | "the network" |
| 22:42.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:42.21 | George- | Haven't done any Zaurus stuff for ages |
| 22:42.23 | kergoth | ethernet over usb, if you're using the cradle |
| 22:42.31 | benr | what do I need to support the usbnet from the system (desktop) side? |
| 22:42.31 | George- | My zaurus has been used as a portable gnuboy thing for a while :) |
| 22:42.37 | kergoth | benr: upgrade to a recent kernel |
| 22:42.46 | kergoth | benr: then echo CDCEther >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 22:42.46 | George- | benr: you need a kernel > 2.4.20 |
| 22:42.47 | benr | kergoth: on the Z or desktop? |
| 22:42.50 | kergoth | desktop |
| 22:42.59 | kergoth | George-: > 2.4.21pre, technically :) |
| 22:43.04 | benr | ya, i run current kernels, just need to know which module I need. |
| 22:43.08 | George- | kergoth: gah, shuddup :) |
| 22:43.17 | kergoth | benr: why would you n eed to know that? |
| 22:43.19 | George- | kergoth: I'm trying to bloody help here... for the first time ever :) |
| 22:43.20 | kergoth | benr: hotplug loads it on insert |
| 22:43.40 | kergoth | benr: just make sure you have hotplug installed, and the CDCEther in blacklist, and then you're all setup to configure the usb0 interface |
| 22:43.44 | benr | kergoth: i keep my USB modules to a minimum... and I run kernels as tight as I can. |
| 22:43.59 | kergoth | usbnet is the module |
| 22:44.07 | benr | on both sides. |
| 22:44.13 | kergoth | no |
| 22:44.16 | benr | just Z. |
| 22:44.17 | kergoth | usbnet is the module on the desktop end |
| 22:44.23 | benr | ah, ok, got it. |
| 22:44.25 | benr | sorry. :) |
| 22:44.26 | kergoth | usbd is the Z, which is a number of modules |
| 22:44.44 | kergoth | usbdcore, net_fd, sa1100_bi or pxa_bi - depending on device, and usbdmonitor |
| 22:45.15 | George- | :D |
| 22:45.24 | kergoth | George-: yes |
| 22:45.37 | George- | kergoth: give me a good reason why? :) |
| 22:45.37 | kergoth | http://openembedded.bkbits.net:8080/packages/ChangeSet@-7d?nav=index.html |
| 22:45.37 | kergoth | we've been busy |
| 22:45.39 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:45.42 | kergoth | but theres alot to do |
| 22:46.01 | George- | yeh, but I'm bloody stupid and I probably won't be able to do half of this shit |
| 22:46.02 | George- | :) |
| 22:46.15 | kergoth | if you can use buildroot, even barely, you can use this |
| 22:46.19 | George- | I can't |
| 22:46.26 | George- | I've never looked into buildroot |
| 22:46.27 | tux_mike | kergoth: is ti ever coming out with it's mystery device? :) |
| 22:46.40 | benr | wow.... quite a list. |
| 22:46.40 | kergoth | tux_mike: i wish i could tell you :) |
| 22:46.47 | tux_mike | i take that as a no :) |
| 22:46.53 | Pendalar | I wonder when the next japanese model will hit |
| 22:46.54 | George- | kergoth: well, are my skills suited to this stuff? |
| 22:47.02 | kergoth | benr: thats just the past week of OE dev (that url) |
| 22:47.27 | kergoth | George-: we need package builders and maintainers more than anything else, it doesnt even require more than basic coding skill, much less advanced |
| 22:47.52 | kergoth | its actually more of a poweruser/scripting/sysadmin like skillset than anything else |
| 22:48.28 | George- | ahh, not for me then :P |
| 22:48.48 | kergoth | there are 204 packages that are buildable in OE atm |
| 22:49.35 | tux_mike | kergoth: did you ever get the zaurus sd slot working on newer kernels? |
| 22:49.56 | kergoth | tux_mike: i never got past insert detection with th e2.4.21 collie tree, too much other stuff to do |
| 22:49.59 | George- | I really really really want to delve into kernel code :( |
| 22:50.05 | George- | but I'm too stupid to |
| 22:50.08 | George- | grrrr |
| 22:50.08 | kergoth | i'm hoping to get back to Z kernel development after most of the OE transition is complete |
| 22:50.08 | absentia | re |
| 22:50.50 | tux_mike | ah |
| 22:51.03 | tux_mike | so i'm stuck with 2.4.6 |
| 22:51.07 | George- | tux_mike: no |
| 22:51.09 | George- | tux_mike: get 2.4.18 |
| 22:51.10 | kergoth | the next steps are to finish up collie on 2.4.21, and start moving corgi/shepherd/boxer/husky in |
| 22:51.15 | kergoth | tux_mike: oz 3.3.5 includes sharp's 2.4.28 |
| 22:51.20 | George- | 2.4.28??!?!!? |
| 22:51.24 | kergoth | bleh |
| 22:51.24 | George- | WOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!! |
| 22:51.24 | kergoth | 18 |
| 22:51.33 | George- | oh |
| 22:51.35 | George- | bloody typos |
| 22:51.40 | tux_mike | oh, hey, bonus. a kernel that isn't even out :) |
| 22:51.46 | tux_mike | ok, i'll have to upgrade |
| 22:51.58 | George- | tux_mike: or you can just flash my kernel on for your thingy |
| 22:52.23 | kergoth | i'd recommend upgrading to 3.3.5. opie has improved quite a bit |
| 22:52.26 | George- | http://www.openzaurus.org/unofficial/experimental/collie/2.4.18-rmk7-np2-embedix/ |
| 22:52.38 | tux_mike | k |
| 22:52.45 | tux_mike | i've been lazy |
| 22:52.49 | tux_mike | and not using my z |
| 22:52.52 | George- | and get the modules tarball from http://zorian.ath.cx/files/2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix.tar.gz |
| 22:52.57 | George- | if you want to just upgrade your current OZ |
| 22:53.26 | tux_mike | nah, i'll just reflash |
| 22:53.30 | tux_mike | as i always do |
| 22:53.34 | George- | fun |
| 22:53.44 | George- | or get 3.3.6_pre0 |
| 22:53.51 | George- | which is gcc 3 built |
| 22:53.53 | tux_mike | somethin like that |
| 22:53.57 | George- | and has stability issues fixed |
| 22:53.58 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.43 | George- | wow |
| 22:54.58 | George- | I was actually bothered to upload my gcc toolchain for PowerPC to /unofficial |
| 22:54.59 | George- | WOOT |
| 22:55.06 | George- | That'll save me a SHITLOAD of time |
| 22:55.19 | kergoth | George-: ppc-linux -> arm-linux cross? |
| 22:55.29 | George- | kergoth: yes |
| 22:55.35 | kergoth | cool |
| 22:55.45 | treke | sweet |
| 22:55.49 | George- | kergoth: I forgot I uploaded :) |
| 22:56.01 | kergoth | tgall had OE building ppc-linux -> arm-linux cross chains before the packages dir even existed, practically |
| 22:56.03 | George- | http://www.openzaurus.org/unofficial/toolchain/cross-2.95.3-gw2-powerpc.tar.bz2 |
| 22:56.07 | kergoth | (he works over at IBM in rochester, mn) |
| 22:56.32 | George- | yes, the name's familiar (he hangs out in #mklinux) |
| 22:57.15 | absentia | w00t |
| 22:57.17 | absentia | 5600 arrived. |
| 22:58.25 | George- | whoa. |
| 22:58.32 | George- | I just found my eTux stuff |
| 22:58.33 | George- | fun :D |
| 22:58.38 | treke | fsck |
| 22:59.04 | George- | treke: hrmm? |
| 22:59.43 | George- | I once had an entire Qtopia/Opie devel environment on PowerPC |
| 22:59.46 | George- | it's a shame I lost it |
| 23:00.54 | benr | are Z packages capatable between the default install, OZ, etc. ? |
| 23:01.11 | kergoth | if the ipks are worth a shit, generally yes |
| 23:01.18 | kergoth | but there are *alot* of shitty packages out there |
| 23:01.22 | benr | well thats womething. |
| 23:01.36 | benr | dependancies the problem? |
| 23:01.45 | George- | benr: no, blame mkipks |
| 23:01.50 | benr | ah. |
| 23:01.53 | kergoth | benr: no, ipk creation tools that dont sanity check the package |
| 23:02.22 | benr | I've only done dev on the target platform directly, so Xcompiling and packaging for a new platform is going to be an interesting learning curve. |
| 23:02.24 | kergoth | its tt's shitty tool, but sharp/lineo decided to use it |
| 23:02.25 | absentia | linux without kde |
| 23:02.27 | absentia | interesting |
| 23:02.44 | kergoth | not using kde is interesting? |
| 23:02.53 | George- | yes |
| 23:03.01 | George- | then again, being a kde developer I'm bias :) |
| 23:03.17 | George- | although I've probably lost that title as I'm so fucking lazy :) |
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| 23:04.38 | absentia | wee |
| 23:04.46 | absentia | crashed opera on my second page |
| 23:04.46 | absentia | a 404 |
| 23:04.50 | George- | treke: do you use iChat? |
| 23:04.57 | treke | no |
| 23:05.13 | George- | I REALLY WANT TO TEST AUDIO CHAT!!! |
| 23:05.19 | kergoth | eh |
| 23:05.28 | kergoth | you're too lazy to read? |
| 23:05.32 | George- | kergoth: yup :) |
| 23:05.45 | kergoth | damn. and i thought *i* was lazy |
| 23:05.45 | George- | kergoth: I'm fucking lazy, haven't you realised that yet? |
| 23:06.56 | George- | yup :P |
| 23:07.37 | George- | you are lazy. |
| 23:07.39 | George- | you're a slacker. |
| 23:08.55 | George- | but you're not as good at slacking as I am. |
| 23:11.36 | Foxdie | :) |
| 23:11.44 | offroadgeek | hello |
| 23:11.47 | offroadgeek | :) |
| 23:11.47 | absentia | org: did ou get the u4 up on zug? |
| 23:11.55 | offroadgeek | u4? |
| 23:12.04 | absentia | ya... you had a perm issue... |
| 23:12.14 | absentia | did it get uploaded afterwards? I just received it in email |
| 23:12.35 | offroadgeek | I don't actually have the file(s) to upload... I just fixed the permissions issue |
| 23:12.59 | absentia | right |
| 23:12.59 | absentia | my question is... |
| 23:13.04 | offroadgeek | can you add it to the Packages > Applications area? |
| 23:13.09 | absentia | did you check... did he upload it? if not.... |
| 23:13.21 | offroadgeek | nope.. no new files |
| 23:13.36 | Foxdie | hi michael :) |
| 23:13.37 | absentia | www.spy.org/zaurus/public/feed/u4.gz |
| 23:13.40 | offroadgeek | hi foxdie |
| 23:13.48 | Foxdie | hows life treating you? |
| 23:14.00 | George- | ... |
| 23:14.04 | George- | 6 minutes left on this auction |
| 23:14.05 | offroadgeek | not bad... working from home today... |
| 23:14.08 | George- | I'll bid at 1.5minutes |
| 23:14.12 | George- | grrr |
| 23:14.19 | Foxdie | cool |
| 23:14.25 | offroadgeek | or really...screwing around at home pretending to work ;) |
| 23:14.41 | George- | I hate eBay |
| 23:14.52 | offroadgeek | go George, go George |
| 23:15.12 | absentia | my auction ideas... from the early 90s |
| 23:15.12 | Foxdie | heh, how come you wanted my address michael? |
| 23:15.34 | offroadgeek | I *was* going to send out xmas presents to the zug admins... |
| 23:15.53 | offroadgeek | that didn't quite work out since I can't order any Z accessories from brando or shirtpocket... sucks |
| 23:15.53 | absentia | included AI that would watch the biding and try to bid the max it would take to get an item without just bidding your max... (which would seem to help the seller/host-site) |
| 23:16.26 | offroadgeek | I was hoping to get them out before xmas.... but they will be late |
| 23:17.02 | offroadgeek | George-: what are you bidding on? |
| 23:17.06 | George- | 3m11s remaining |
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| 23:17.15 | George- | offroadgeek: I'm not saying for another 3m11s |
| 23:17.15 | George- | :) |
| 23:17.20 | offroadgeek | doh! |
| 23:17.22 | George- | I KNOW YOUR TYPE!!! |
| 23:17.26 | offroadgeek | I was going to bid... |
| 23:17.52 | offroadgeek | I WANT TO KNOW! |
| 23:18.08 | gerrynjr | bid? |
| 23:18.16 | offroadgeek | DAMN YOU AND YOUR STINKING EBAY... |
| 23:18.34 | gerrynjr | what?!?!?! |
| 23:18.42 | absentia | http://www.userlinux.com/white_paper.html |
| 23:18.54 | Foxdie | was? |
| 23:18.54 | gerrynjr | yeah.. i laughed |
| 23:18.56 | Foxdie | oh |
| 23:18.58 | offroadgeek | george is bidding on something on ebay... he won't tell me what it is (so I can't counterbid), now I hate him ;) |
| 23:18.59 | gerrynjr | no kde for them :-D |
| 23:18.59 | George- | 2m0s remaining |
| 23:18.59 | George- | ARGH |
| 23:18.59 | George- | This is AGONIZING |
| 23:19.04 | Foxdie | thanks though ^_^ |
| 23:19.08 | gerrynjr | George-> what is it? |
| 23:19.24 | gerrynjr | George-> just say what it is |
| 23:19.27 | offroadgeek | Foxdie: it will just be late now... |
| 23:19.35 | offroadgeek | Foxdie: don't worry about it... I'm not looking for anything |
| 23:19.47 | offroadgeek | just a little something to say thanks for helping with the site |
| 23:19.49 | George- | gerrynjr: 30 seconds left.... |
| 23:19.59 | offroadgeek | DIE GEORGE DIE! |
| 23:20.02 | offroadgeek | oops |
| 23:20.17 | George- | I WON!!! |
| 23:20.19 | George- | hell yeh! |
| 23:20.25 | offroadgeek | WHAT WAS IT? |
| 23:20.26 | George- | someone tried to outbid me at 15 seconds left |
| 23:20.27 | George- | ROFL |
| 23:20.32 | George- | SimCity 3000 |
| 23:20.35 | George- | heh |
| 23:20.37 | gerrynjr | big f'n deal |
| 23:20.39 | offroadgeek | oh... I don't want that |
| 23:20.40 | gerrynjr | for linux? |
| 23:20.42 | George- | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=189&item=3065333944 |
| 23:20.43 | George- | no, for mac |
| 23:20.47 | George- | can't find it anywhere |
| 23:20.50 | gerrynjr | lmfao |
| 23:20.52 | offroadgeek | even worse.. I don't have a mac |
| 23:20.55 | offroadgeek | how much? |
| 23:20.55 | gerrynjr | I run it here on linux all the time |
| 23:22.25 | smashie | hmm is therehmm is there any docu or whatsoever where its described how to start with porting *nix software to Zaurus? |
| 23:22.29 | George- | offroadgeek: 11 GBP |
| 23:22.35 | George- | offroadgeek: + P&P |
| 23:23.52 | warmi | smashie: Zaurus is Unix :-) |
| 23:24.07 | smashie | warmi I am aware of that |
| 23:24.11 | smashie | but its not x86 compatible |
| 23:24.26 | smashie | pr well atleast I cant just run an i386 binary on my zaurus |
| 23:24.30 | warmi | you should be able to simply crosscompile cmd based apps |
| 23:25.00 | smashie | hmm could you point me to any docs? ;) |
| 23:25.11 | warmi | http://docs.zaurus.com/index.php?id=linux_compiler_setup_howto |
| 23:25.13 | warmi | no problem |
| 23:25.21 | smashie | ahh thanks |
| 23:25.23 | smashie | I'll give it a try =) |
| 23:28.19 | George- | ok |
| 23:28.25 | George- | just paid using my dad's paypal account |
| 23:28.25 | George- | wahoo |
| 23:28.26 | George- | :) |
| 23:28.30 | George- | I hope it arrives soon |
| 23:28.33 | George- | I love SC3k |
| 23:28.37 | kergoth | paid what? |
| 23:28.55 | George- | kergoth: 15 GBP |
| 23:29.06 | kergoth | cool |
| 23:29.24 | George- | kergoth: mac version |
| 23:29.34 | George- | I couldn't find it on amazon or anything |
| 23:29.34 | treke | bitch |
| 23:29.42 | gerrynjr | treke> i've got the same |
| 23:29.45 | George- | treke: sc3k for linux doesn't run on powerpc ;) |
| 23:29.51 | George- | treke: or I'd have got that from Amazon |
| 23:30.03 | George- | treke: I have CivCTP for Linux which runs on ppc though :) |
| 23:30.41 | absentia | hmm |
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| 23:30.43 | absentia | I think this 5600 has oz on it |
| 23:30.54 | George- | treke: you're rich. |
| 23:31.00 | gerrynjr | offroadgee1> what happened to you? |
| 23:31.40 | offroadgee1 | damn gaim on win2k... doesn't stay connected |
| 23:31.49 | gerrynjr | works here |
| 23:31.55 | gerrynjr | er.. oh yeah.. no windows here |
| 23:32.07 | offroadgee1 | I know... it sucks... it's my work laptop |
| 23:32.23 | kergoth | offroadgee1: heh, install trillian then |
| 23:32.33 | Foxdie | the whole collection of what? |
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| 23:32.59 | offroadgee1 | kergoth: thanks.. will try that |
| 23:33.46 | kergoth | i tend to use xchat or irssi when i'm in windows for irc, and trillian for messaging |
| 23:34.26 | George- | I use xchat on everything |
| 23:34.26 | George- | xchat rocks |
| 23:34.43 | kergoth | would be nice to see a native windows xirssi |
| 23:35.28 | George- | what exactly is so cool about irssi? |
| 23:35.35 | George- | In fact, WHY ARE THERE 101 IRC CLIENTS?!?! |
| 23:35.45 | kergoth | its like bitchx, but more refined |
| 23:35.48 | George- | I mean. I fucking nearly wrote one myself 2 years ago |
| 23:36.07 | George- | until I realised it was pointless writing a program called "yaic" - "Yet Another IRC Client" |
| 23:36.27 | kergoth | heh, i did a small irc client just to learn the protocol |
| 23:36.38 | kergoth | then tossed it in ~/coding/concept/ and never ran it again |
| 23:36.44 | George- | real men use telnet. |
| 23:36.52 | kergoth | heh, real men write telnet implementations |
| 23:37.02 | George- | :) |
| 23:37.08 | kergoth | :P |
| 23:37.12 | George- | no, real men sit with a battery and short the terminals on the RJ-45 |
| 23:37.24 | Foxdie | LOL |
| 23:37.34 | Foxdie | Oh thats rich |
| 23:37.34 | absentia | I used telnet to irc for a while |
| 23:37.36 | absentia | but then pings were introduced |
| 23:37.38 | George- | uh, I don't think that was right :) |
| 23:37.43 | absentia | so I wrote a sh wrapper to ping back for me. |
| 23:37.46 | absentia | used that for years. |
| 23:37.50 | kergoth | absentia: hah |
| 23:37.52 | kergoth | nice |
| 23:37.55 | smashie | rfc1459 is easy |
| 23:38.16 | kergoth | smashie: indeed |
| 23:38.17 | smashie | I always telnet to ircd from school and pong manually =) |
| 23:38.23 | absentia | the fisrt text program I write in any language is an irc client |
| 23:38.25 | Foxdie | Anyone roughly know how many C760's were made before production halted? |
| 23:38.35 | absentia | my friend wrote a 1K ksh client that did ctcp and dcc... |
| 23:38.40 | absentia | he used that for a decade. |
| 23:38.51 | absentia | they've stopped making 760s ? |
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| 23:39.08 | Foxdie | yes they have |
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| 23:39.23 | Foxdie | Also mainstream shops like shirtpocket.co.uk have stopped selling them |
| 23:39.30 | Foxdie | they only sell C750's and C860's now |
| 23:39.31 | George- | I ... uh.. hack content filtering layers onto cgi:irc so bastards like kergoth can't kick me off by swearing. |
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| 23:41.45 | Foxdie | re |
| 23:41.53 | absentia | I wrote a bbs and shell for a public / anonymous irc client in 93 |
| 23:41.57 | org | hello |
| 23:41.58 | absentia | and I put content filtering in it |
| 23:42.05 | absentia | most people got kicked off with their first public statement |
| 23:42.10 | absentia | it was ... quite amusing... to watch. |
| 23:42.32 | George- | content filtering SUCKS |
| 23:42.32 | George- | a lot. |
| 23:42.40 | ljp | heh |
| 23:42.42 | Foxdie | Anyone tried the CF wifi card from shirtpocket and know if it's any good or not? |
| 23:42.44 | ljp | no, its fun |
| 23:42.44 | org | Foxdie, are you familiar with afterstep? |
| 23:43.12 | Foxdie | I vaguely know of it, if memory serves correctly isn't it a window manager? |
| 23:43.14 | ljp | it used to be fun when george got kicked when "bad language" showed up in irc |
| 23:43.29 | Foxdie | You want me to try it or something? |
| 23:43.44 | org | yup... I've got it installed on x11... but can't figure out how to get any apps to run on it |
| 23:43.54 | Foxdie | Sorry, can't help with that. |
| 23:44.14 | Foxdie | I'm still using the default window manager (no idea what it is, but I've seen "Openbox" around so I'm guessing thats what it's called) |
| 23:44.17 | org | I can't even get xterm or aterm to run :( |
| 23:44.26 | Foxdie | I tried the other window manager but it looked wierd |
| 23:44.35 | Foxdie | some crosshair style lines came up |
| 23:44.50 | org | afterstep is supposed to be very cool... |
| 23:44.58 | Foxdie | btw I've modified the terminal window to look more like the original sharp roms if anyone wants the config file |
| 23:44.59 | kergoth | eh, i havnet used afterstep in years |
| 23:45.15 | Foxdie | (white text instead of green, text fades out more when the window loses focus, scroll bar on the right hand side instead of the left) |
| 23:45.22 | warmi | same here .... it used to be pretty cool Next clone |
| 23:45.25 | org | problem is, I can't even get to a terminal window.. so I can't switch back to another wm |
| 23:45.33 | warmi | but then everyone and his brother went to Windowmaker |
| 23:45.45 | Foxdie | can't you ssh / telnet in? |
| 23:45.53 | kergoth | warmi: exactly |
| 23:46.01 | kergoth | windowmaker was nice |
| 23:46.01 | org | duh... why didn't I try that. |
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| 23:47.11 | offroadgeek | yeah.. I have ssh installed... |
| 23:47.27 | Foxdie | I have that "touch something and it breaks in the worst possible way at the worst possible moment" disease |
| 23:47.40 | absentia | http://www.zaurususergroup.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=3402#3402 |
| 23:47.47 | absentia | fox: me too |
| 23:48.03 | absentia | I installed moinmoin, and called my wiki wiki |
| 23:48.04 | absentia | which broke it |
| 23:48.15 | absentia | I couldn't get oz to work to save my life |
| 23:48.34 | absentia | I failed on my first ipkg install with x11 rom, which breaks ALL subsequent gui attempts |
| 23:48.43 | absentia | the list is endless. |
| 23:49.03 | Foxdie | I've seen the wiki wiki phrase a lot on our ZUG site but I still don't 100% know what it is, I'm guessing it's a portable web page / information format |
| 23:49.24 | absentia | gkrellm doesn't work for me |
| 23:49.28 | absentia | says it needs gdk libs |
| 23:49.31 | George- | I need a common opinion |
| 23:49.35 | absentia | but they're not in the x11 feed, as far as I can see. |
| 23:49.39 | Foxdie | George-: go for it |
| 23:49.43 | George- | should I fix the fact that my site doesn't display correctly in Internet Explorer? |
| 23:49.47 | absentia | I'm down to < 1MB left of /home space.. .on my 700 for the x11 installs |
| 23:49.48 | George- | (It works fine in KHTML and Gecko) |
| 23:49.56 | George- | or shall I just tell MS to fuck themselves |
| 23:50.16 | kergoth | noda spent a lot of time trying to make openzaurus.org not shit in IE |
| 23:50.22 | kergoth | now its just less shitty |
| 23:50.26 | George- | hehe |
| 23:50.29 | absentia | fox: wiki is usually just the cover name... for a "quick" way to edit page content... |
| 23:50.36 | offroadgeek | the faq on the ZUG doesn't display correctly in IE.. but I don't care.. it works fine in opera, netscape, mozilla, etc. |
| 23:50.41 | Foxdie | George-: despite MS being powermoney-hungry bastards, over 3/4 of the worlds computer users use IE variants |
| 23:50.41 | absentia | you can do it with 10 lines of perl, 20 or so of python, etc. |
| 23:50.45 | George- | kergoth: what do you think of my design: http://zorian.ath.cx? |
| 23:51.06 | George- | Foxdie: yah, but my site is _small_ and probably only of interest to *nix users |
| 23:51.10 | Foxdie | well it's 5.x on this machine (gateway), it's 6.x on my main box |
| 23:51.28 | treke | George-: nothing you do is of interest to anyone |
| 23:51.37 | George- | treke: thanks :) |
| 23:51.50 | George- | treke: and I hope your mother dies in a freak yachting accident. |
| 23:51.58 | George- | </blackadder quote> |
| 23:52.04 | kergoth | George-: not bad. simple is good. |
| 23:52.14 | kergoth | George-: too bad IE's CSS support is absolute crap |
| 23:52.17 | George- | kergoth: yeh, that's what I thought |
| 23:52.27 | George- | kergoth: ahh, it's probably the CSS that's doing it then |
| 23:52.43 | George- | kergoth: because the problems I have are size definitions in the css file |
| 23:52.48 | kergoth | George-: read the php code for openzaurus.org, i'm sure theres plenty of comments from tmm1 and noda cursing at IE |
| 23:52.53 | treke | George-: She died of a seizure |
| 23:53.20 | absentia | I think people should not bend over for ie |
| 23:53.21 | absentia | fuck'm |
| 23:53.22 | absentia | move on |
| 23:53.31 | George- | kergoth: ahha |
| 23:53.32 | absentia | ms will update it once in two years to meet the standards then |
| 23:53.36 | absentia | since enough people will be bitching. |
| 23:53.38 | George- | kergoth: where's the PHP code for oz.org anyway? |
| 23:53.41 | Foxdie | absentia: a pick axe? |
| 23:53.45 | kergoth | George-: sf.net/projects/openzaurus .. its in cvs |
| 23:53.54 | George- | ahh excellent |
| 23:53.56 | oGMo | kergoth: i'm seriously contemplating oz with picogui, it looks so cool ;) |
| 23:54.03 | George- | kergoth: so what do you think of my site (apart from "simple is good")? |
| 23:54.06 | kergoth | oGMo: heh, too bad its no longer developed or maintained |
| 23:54.10 | oGMo | kergoth: doh ;/ |
| 23:54.16 | treke | well it isnt completly unmaintained |
| 23:54.19 | oGMo | i didn't figure there were a lot of apps, but it looks cool |
| 23:54.25 | kergoth | well, mostly unmaintained |
| 23:54.27 | oGMo | kergoth: oz itself is unmaintained or just that part? |
| 23:54.30 | kergoth | scanline's avoiding working on it |
| 23:54.33 | kergoth | picogui itself |
| 23:54.38 | oGMo | ah |
| 23:54.42 | offroadgeek | George-, I like it... |
| 23:54.49 | offroadgeek | I want to simplify the zug a bit |
| 23:54.53 | kergoth | i see evas having a lot of potential in OE |
| 23:54.54 | oGMo | oh yeah, you said they were building with OZ where you work |
| 23:55.11 | kergoth | oGMo: yeah, we're using the OE build tools for our builds internally |
| 23:55.14 | George- | offroadgeek: yay! :) |
| 23:55.15 | kergoth | not the OZ distro, but the same tools |
| 23:55.30 | oGMo | ah |
| 23:55.31 | oGMo | nice |
| 23:55.42 | absentia | hmm.. no fdisk |
| 23:55.45 | absentia | with oz. |
| 23:56.12 | George- | I'll add a small banner to my site saying that it won't display entirely correctly in IE as its CSS support sucks ass |
| 23:56.13 | absentia | I do have to admit it |
| 23:56.17 | kergoth | absentia: heh, its a weird bug. if we build fdisk.c with our optimizations, it sigbus's |
| 23:56.24 | offroadgeek | I freakin' love being able to telnet into my z to fix it... |
| 23:56.24 | kergoth | absentia: if you dont optimize, it works |
| 23:56.32 | absentia | I love the 760.. 700.. much better than the 5500/5600 and probably 6000 |
| 23:56.42 | Foxdie | infinitely hackable pda ^_^ |
| 23:56.43 | absentia | it's ok |
| 23:56.47 | absentia | I just have to format this cf |
| 23:56.54 | absentia | so I can put hte lastest oz on the cf so I can flash it |
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| 23:57.02 | absentia | this beast appears to have oz 334 without a browser |
| 23:57.19 | oGMo | i wish some of those vaio subnotes were available over here |
| 23:57.22 | offroadgeek | yeah.. I think the cxx0 is much better than the other format... I didn't like the 6000 that much |
| 23:57.47 | Foxdie | to me the non-clamshell devices are for posing, you can't do any real development work on them |
| 23:58.00 | Foxdie | the clamshell models however have a better keyboard and are more suited to data entry and stuff |
| 23:58.07 | absentia | yup |
| 23:58.13 | absentia | the bottom row of keys on this thing is difficult to reach |
| 23:58.15 | offroadgeek | my damn mother and grandma are at my house... watching soaps... this sucks |
| 23:58.17 | Foxdie | plus the fact if you REALLY wanna pose with C series you can just flip / rotate :D |
| 23:58.25 | absentia | they're mostly / practically unusable.. probably difficult for people with large fingers. |
| 23:58.43 | Foxdie | absentia: and considering at least half of the geek community is overweight... |
| 23:58.44 | absentia | fox: ha! I do that, I rotate it to pda, but then the keyboard is underneat! |
| 23:58.54 | oGMo | i can't imagine doing development work on anything that size |
| 23:58.57 | absentia | so I do this strange two finger typing... BEHIND the screen... |
| 23:58.58 | absentia | heheh |
| 23:59.15 | kergoth | Foxdie: ? |
| 23:59.15 | absentia | fox: read @ Large ... I'm one of the thing ones. |
| 23:59.23 | oGMo | i need at least 2.6 million pixels of screen space for any serious dev work ;) |
| 23:59.28 | Foxdie | kergoth: whats up? |
| 23:59.37 | absentia | og: you can vnc into an 800x600 |
| 23:59.39 | absentia | works just fine. |
| 23:59.47 | oGMo | absentia: ... |
| 23:59.52 | kergoth | Foxdie: what auto screen rotation script? |
| 23:59.55 | oGMo | i think you miss the point here ;) |
